If only there was a server that only granted you access on the successful submission and review of a written Hellgate: London essay or short fictional work.
I guess you've never heard of Guild Wars, which is a game created by some people who left Blizzard. It has sold more than 2 million copies...
Face it bud, the Mac gaming market is an afterthought for most developers. This is for a reason, not because they hate you, but because it's just not worth their time to port the game over.
I'd be really interested to see you backup your numbers to show that Mac WoW has been a 'huge contributor' to the success of WoW. Especially so, because I play WoW, and NOBODY I KNOW PLAYS ON A MAC.
haha... CS is bad like that too, yea. I've played CS competitively... It kinda ruined the public servers for me. Besides, I got banned for 'cheating' a lot anyway. Bastards. People can be good you know!
Their parents would certainly NOT. At least not all of them, after the website informed them that the game has 3 tiers, one of which is free.
I disagree 100% with the remark that the older players are the biggest morons. They may cause drama at times, but they are far more enjoyable to play with than a 12 year old who can't spell and uses all caps.
Personally, I wish there was an even higher tier, Tier 3, for which you had to pay $30 per month. And I would only want it to have one extra thing: You whiners who can't pony up $15/month can't play on my server.
This would filter out the 8-12 year old group pretty effectively.
It would also filter out the 12-17 year old group very well. You know the type. The ones who think they know everything. The ones who love to grief other players. The ones who act immature. From Diablo they were known as "B.net Kiddiez" and I never, ever, want to talk to one of them again. "LEIK DO U NO WAT I MEAN?" Argh.
I know it's fairly early in the game and all, for the information age and how it affects learning, living, evolution, etc..
But I think of it like this:
Which countries are advancing the quickest and have the strongest economies? Which countries have the highest quality of living?
I think if you made that list, you'd see they were all countries on the leading edges of technology. It's correlation, not causation, but it's something to think about.
Evolution can be more than just our DNA changing. Our technology is an extension of ourselves. I'd say it evolves. Quite fast, actually. Anyway, evolution is not just genetic.
Well, inasmuch that critical thinking is a process, so must the steps used to perform that process be memorized. In other words, you need both types (from what I said in my original post) of learning. What I think technology has done is allow us more leeway to properly balance the two types.
Now I'm just an armchair philosopher. There are probably quite a few more 'types' of learning and schooling. To break it all down into those two is probably not fair or adequate. As usual, my agenda was only to make a point. Sometimes that's at the cost of the greater picture, sometimes it helps others see a part of that picture they maybe hadn't seen.
Here on Slashdot the best comments are both insightful and informative (ok, and funny). Unfortunately, mine are usually less of the latter than the former, and often not much of the former anyway. When I do get modded up it is largely due to the fact that I merely pointed out what others were already thinking, saving them the time of typing it themselves. But this begs the question: If enough other people were thinking the same thing and modded the comment insightful, then how insightful could it really have been?
I know I am way, way off topic here. Maybe I'll get modded -1 OT. That would be a nice change of pace:)
See, technology does has its advantages. Let's talk learning here. To me, when I was in school, there were two types of lectures, two types of classes, two types of professors/teachers. I could usually tell right away which type a particular class would be, and that would set the stage for me and eventually my final grade.
The two types: - Rote memorization - Conceptual learning
Back before google was a verb I couldn't just 'google' my question and get the answer within seconds. It was advantageous to use some of my (maybe a lot of it) on simple rote memorization.
But now, with so much information literally at my fingertips, I see no reason to fill as much of my memory up with the rote knowledge and facts. I feel that I am better served by learning the art of skepticism, philosophy, conceptualization, and the general techniques used to analyze, logically, the goings-on in my daily life.
I think that in today's schools, if they choose to embrace technology in this way, you will see that in this sense this is advantageous over not having the technology at all.
I was under the impression that the only real possible danger from global warming was in fact the ushering in of another ice age (because of ocean currents, one in particular called the mid-atlantic conveyor or something. I'm at work so I have limited time or I'd look this up..)
So the Earth has a self-correcting mechanism in place already.
So what was this about 'destroying the planet'? You mean 'destroying humanity' methinks. Well, I doubt we'd all perish in an ice age... And maybe we do need to cull the herd a little. But ok I agree, it'd probably be a bad thing overall to push ourselves into the next ice age faster than we have to.
I mean, c'mon, didn't you watch the Day After Tomorrow, it could happen in like, weeks, man.
You talk about the reduction in carrying capacity of the Earth and the resulting geopolitical chaos (massive wars and death). I can only imagine that drastic global cooling would lead to exactly such a situation, at least agriculturally speaking. So is it not possible then that our "pollution" is actually keeping us out of the very situation you are afraid it might be leading us towards, albeit from another angle?
We can't just assume what we're doing right now is the cause, nor can we assume that if we stopped doing what we're doing right now that things would be better. You say we're dancing a jig in the climate canoe. Well, if the climate waves and dance moves coincide correctly then the canoe doesn't flip when the waves get bad. Small chance, probably, but it's there.
Human-caused global warming as a bad thing has more weight as a political lever than any real scientific fact.
What would be coincidental about it? Yes, the world is getting warmer. Everyone agrees with that basic statement. Now tell me _why_ it's because of Mankind. We already have geological proof that the world gets hotter and colder in cycles and we are (geologically speaking) getting out of an ice age. And I want hard numbers, like "23% of global warming compared to the mean of the last decade is due to CO2 emissions from the following nations" etc.
So you're basically saying you want everyone to sound the same? Might as well just buy a metronome then. It will play the kind of music you want, I'm sure.
Come on, the album was pretty good IMO. No, not your typical Linkin Park. They changed, matured, etc. How many bands are going to have to change after years and albums before people stop saying 'but they changed!'... ??? It's the standard, not the exception, people.
Yes, that was a good way to illustrate that every time something changes the server has to update the client. (And vice-versa, but we aren't concerned with your client upload requirements being that they shouldn't be the problem here.)
My only point, largely lost in the details, was that in today's games with today's internet connections in today's average household one cannot expect to be involved in battles of epic proportions because the bandwidth requirements are simply too great. Even with advanced network programming using methods like you've shown. In actuality, the network requirements have gone up, and so have the computing (CPU, graphics, memory, HDD, etc) requirements for the client. However, I think most of today's good gaming PCs can handle the polygon count/CPU loads a lot better than their internet connections can handle the bandwidth loads. (Keeping in mind the context of very large battle scenes).
I really have no hard numbers here, which I would really like to have. I just have experience with said large concurrent user counts in battles in today's MMOGs. The result is always very poor.
The packets (plus overhead) to transmit your vectors/etc is not on keypresses alone. It must be based on a unit of time. I happen to think the millisecond works, though I imagine that even averaging 5 millseconds would work. Let's say the update time is 5ms for the sake of argument. That would mean 200 updates per second. At only 5 bytes per update (which I guess is possible) that is 1kb/sec.
Look, I don't know the real numbers, and I am willing to be they're different for each game. Why don't you get some software that shows you how much bandwidth (up and down both) that a particular game is using and see for yourself. Of course, this won't be able to tell you how much of that the server actually sends to the other clients... unless you get crafty with it. I leave that to you.
But yes, I stand by my wild-butt-monkey ideas. At least I am trying to be conservative with my estimates:(
I guess I could've been clearer what I meant by "action data". Nevertheless... I meant data that makes the player move around or perform actions. Given that I also stated these players were all involved in the same battle, it would follow that this action data must be sent to all the other players around said player in order for everyone to see what everyone else was doing.
This isn't about 'winning'. And I can't go 'home'. I, like most other/. trolls, am stuck at work! There, did I successfully wiggle out of it?
I could see how this gets into net neutrality... and government regulation. I don't want that though. I'd rather just let good ol' competition do it for us. That's what brought me from all text MUDs to my current favorite: Tabula Rasa. (closed beta incidentally, lots of people on the server usually though). Tabula Rasa is a FPS/MMORPG hybrid which allows you the choice of playing in FPS or MMO mode. I choose FPS mode and find it to be very entertaining. It has a nice big world with good artwork and sounds, though it must split in shards to handle the player loads. I.E. a zone called Wilderness on the planet called Foreas will have multiple instances that you can move between if you like.
It comes out next month. Then Hellgate: London comes out. And I lose a chunk of my social life for a while;p
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If only there was a server that only granted you access on the successful submission and review of a written Hellgate: London essay or short fictional work.
I would play on that server in a second.
Wrong.
I guess you've never heard of Guild Wars, which is a game created by some people who left Blizzard. It has sold more than 2 million copies...
Face it bud, the Mac gaming market is an afterthought for most developers. This is for a reason, not because they hate you, but because it's just not worth their time to port the game over.
I'd be really interested to see you backup your numbers to show that Mac WoW has been a 'huge contributor' to the success of WoW. Especially so, because I play WoW, and NOBODY I KNOW PLAYS ON A MAC.
Spiral Frog will self destruct in 3...2...1... *hack released* *poof*
yet more proof that these organizations are run largely by people with their heads partly up their asses (the technical part).
haha... CS is bad like that too, yea. I've played CS competitively... It kinda ruined the public servers for me. Besides, I got banned for 'cheating' a lot anyway. Bastards. People can be good you know!
Their parents would certainly NOT. At least not all of them, after the website informed them that the game has 3 tiers, one of which is free.
I disagree 100% with the remark that the older players are the biggest morons. They may cause drama at times, but they are far more enjoyable to play with than a 12 year old who can't spell and uses all caps.
But if the avg. Slashdotter wasn't a cheap bastard they might buy the pre-order and get a beta invite from that!
But you didn't hear that from me.
Personally, I wish there was an even higher tier, Tier 3, for which you had to pay $30 per month. And I would only want it to have one extra thing: You whiners who can't pony up $15/month can't play on my server.
This would filter out the 8-12 year old group pretty effectively.
It would also filter out the 12-17 year old group very well. You know the type. The ones who think they know everything. The ones who love to grief other players. The ones who act immature. From Diablo they were known as "B.net Kiddiez" and I never, ever, want to talk to one of them again. "LEIK DO U NO WAT I MEAN?" Argh.
I know it's fairly early in the game and all, for the information age and how it affects learning, living, evolution, etc..
But I think of it like this:
Which countries are advancing the quickest and have the strongest economies? Which countries have the highest quality of living?
I think if you made that list, you'd see they were all countries on the leading edges of technology. It's correlation, not causation, but it's something to think about.
Evolution can be more than just our DNA changing. Our technology is an extension of ourselves. I'd say it evolves. Quite fast, actually. Anyway, evolution is not just genetic.
I suspect that that sort of personalized schooling is possible for the wealthy.
/orbit
For the rest, we'll just have to wait for true Artificial Intelligence. It might be a while.
Imagine that, a professor who literally IS a walking encyclopedia.
Well, inasmuch that critical thinking is a process, so must the steps used to perform that process be memorized. In other words, you need both types (from what I said in my original post) of learning. What I think technology has done is allow us more leeway to properly balance the two types.
:)
Now I'm just an armchair philosopher. There are probably quite a few more 'types' of learning and schooling. To break it all down into those two is probably not fair or adequate. As usual, my agenda was only to make a point. Sometimes that's at the cost of the greater picture, sometimes it helps others see a part of that picture they maybe hadn't seen.
Here on Slashdot the best comments are both insightful and informative (ok, and funny). Unfortunately, mine are usually less of the latter than the former, and often not much of the former anyway. When I do get modded up it is largely due to the fact that I merely pointed out what others were already thinking, saving them the time of typing it themselves. But this begs the question: If enough other people were thinking the same thing and modded the comment insightful, then how insightful could it really have been?
I know I am way, way off topic here. Maybe I'll get modded -1 OT. That would be a nice change of pace
That is an excellent way to put it. I may borrow that from time to time.
This is true. Hence the italicized "as much" in my quote.
;p
You have defined the why of the "as much". I was too lazy, or maybe figured someone else would handle that
See, technology does has its advantages. Let's talk learning here. To me, when I was in school, there were two types of lectures, two types of classes, two types of professors/teachers. I could usually tell right away which type a particular class would be, and that would set the stage for me and eventually my final grade.
The two types:
- Rote memorization
- Conceptual learning
Back before google was a verb I couldn't just 'google' my question and get the answer within seconds. It was advantageous to use some of my (maybe a lot of it) on simple rote memorization.
But now, with so much information literally at my fingertips, I see no reason to fill as much of my memory up with the rote knowledge and facts. I feel that I am better served by learning the art of skepticism, philosophy, conceptualization, and the general techniques used to analyze, logically, the goings-on in my daily life.
I think that in today's schools, if they choose to embrace technology in this way, you will see that in this sense this is advantageous over not having the technology at all.
Wow, that has to be the most informative reply I've had in a long time.
/.
This is why, even after I endure endless FUD articles, duped stories, and *ahem* certain biases, I keep coming back to
Thank you sir.
I was under the impression that the only real possible danger from global warming was in fact the ushering in of another ice age (because of ocean currents, one in particular called the mid-atlantic conveyor or something. I'm at work so I have limited time or I'd look this up..)
So the Earth has a self-correcting mechanism in place already.
So what was this about 'destroying the planet'? You mean 'destroying humanity' methinks. Well, I doubt we'd all perish in an ice age... And maybe we do need to cull the herd a little. But ok I agree, it'd probably be a bad thing overall to push ourselves into the next ice age faster than we have to.
I mean, c'mon, didn't you watch the Day After Tomorrow, it could happen in like, weeks, man.
Wait, there was an article?
You talk about the reduction in carrying capacity of the Earth and the resulting geopolitical chaos (massive wars and death). I can only imagine that drastic global cooling would lead to exactly such a situation, at least agriculturally speaking. So is it not possible then that our "pollution" is actually keeping us out of the very situation you are afraid it might be leading us towards, albeit from another angle?
We can't just assume what we're doing right now is the cause, nor can we assume that if we stopped doing what we're doing right now that things would be better. You say we're dancing a jig in the climate canoe. Well, if the climate waves and dance moves coincide correctly then the canoe doesn't flip when the waves get bad. Small chance, probably, but it's there.
Human-caused global warming as a bad thing has more weight as a political lever than any real scientific fact.
What would be coincidental about it? Yes, the world is getting warmer. Everyone agrees with that basic statement. Now tell me _why_ it's because of Mankind. We already have geological proof that the world gets hotter and colder in cycles and we are (geologically speaking) getting out of an ice age. And I want hard numbers, like "23% of global warming compared to the mean of the last decade is due to CO2 emissions from the following nations" etc.
So you're basically saying you want everyone to sound the same? Might as well just buy a metronome then. It will play the kind of music you want, I'm sure.
Come on, the album was pretty good IMO. No, not your typical Linkin Park. They changed, matured, etc. How many bands are going to have to change after years and albums before people stop saying 'but they changed!'... ??? It's the standard, not the exception, people.
Yes, that was a good way to illustrate that every time something changes the server has to update the client. (And vice-versa, but we aren't concerned with your client upload requirements being that they shouldn't be the problem here.)
My only point, largely lost in the details, was that in today's games with today's internet connections in today's average household one cannot expect to be involved in battles of epic proportions because the bandwidth requirements are simply too great. Even with advanced network programming using methods like you've shown. In actuality, the network requirements have gone up, and so have the computing (CPU, graphics, memory, HDD, etc) requirements for the client. However, I think most of today's good gaming PCs can handle the polygon count/CPU loads a lot better than their internet connections can handle the bandwidth loads. (Keeping in mind the context of very large battle scenes).
I really have no hard numbers here, which I would really like to have. I just have experience with said large concurrent user counts in battles in today's MMOGs. The result is always very poor.
The packets (plus overhead) to transmit your vectors/etc is not on keypresses alone. It must be based on a unit of time. I happen to think the millisecond works, though I imagine that even averaging 5 millseconds would work. Let's say the update time is 5ms for the sake of argument. That would mean 200 updates per second. At only 5 bytes per update (which I guess is possible) that is 1kb/sec.
:(
Look, I don't know the real numbers, and I am willing to be they're different for each game. Why don't you get some software that shows you how much bandwidth (up and down both) that a particular game is using and see for yourself. Of course, this won't be able to tell you how much of that the server actually sends to the other clients... unless you get crafty with it. I leave that to you.
But yes, I stand by my wild-butt-monkey ideas. At least I am trying to be conservative with my estimates
I guess I could've been clearer what I meant by "action data". Nevertheless... I meant data that makes the player move around or perform actions. Given that I also stated these players were all involved in the same battle, it would follow that this action data must be sent to all the other players around said player in order for everyone to see what everyone else was doing.
/. trolls, am stuck at work! There, did I successfully wiggle out of it?
This isn't about 'winning'. And I can't go 'home'. I, like most other
I could see how this gets into net neutrality... and government regulation. I don't want that though. I'd rather just let good ol' competition do it for us. That's what brought me from all text MUDs to my current favorite: Tabula Rasa. (closed beta incidentally, lots of people on the server usually though). Tabula Rasa is a FPS/MMORPG hybrid which allows you the choice of playing in FPS or MMO mode. I choose FPS mode and find it to be very entertaining. It has a nice big world with good artwork and sounds, though it must split in shards to handle the player loads. I.E. a zone called Wilderness on the planet called Foreas will have multiple instances that you can move between if you like.
;p
It comes out next month. Then Hellgate: London comes out. And I lose a chunk of my social life for a while
You plainly did not read my comments. Or fail at reading comprehension.
I never stated such a thing, and if you can find where I said that and quote me on it, I'll eat my hat. (it's made of cotton candy btw)