I don't really understand why anyone would want to run linux on sparc.
Sparc's are pieces of shit. The USII has the dubious honor of being the only *performance* risc cpu that gets hammered by the IA-32 in both integer and floating point.
The only reason to buy a sparc is to get services, support and software from sun. If you want a decent processor, check out the alpha.
The amazing thing is that instead of using an aggressive OOO design for the USIII, sun decided to stick with an in-order cpu. It's like they aren't even trying to produce a competetive CPU.
The reason sun sells boxes with 64 procs in them is that it takes that many to compete with 32 proc offerings from HP, Compaq and IBM.
--Shoeboy
using Word to create a text-only output is a slippery slope Hallelujah my brother.
You have hit the proverbial nail right on it's proverbial motherfucking head.
Once you start down the slippery slope there's no telling where you might end up. I've heard horrifying tales of people using advanced multi-user operating systems for playing nethack. There have even been rumors of people using turing-complete programming languages to print "hello world". Thank god those are only rumors.
--Shoeboy
Tragically, www.fbi.gov has huge security weaknesses. They left port 80 open, allowing us 31337 haxors to connect. Once connected, we can send specailly formed packets known as "|-|77P R3qu3575" to the remote host and retrieve files.
The government should just pack it in.
There's no way to protect a system from the likes of me.
--Shoeboy
I agree.
Clearly the sociopolitical and economic ramifications of this dramatic intersection between so-called new economy companies and the established purveyors of copyrighted material warrant sober consideration. Any attempt at facetious commentary demonstrates a profound disregard for the implications this issue has on the marketplace wherein intellectual property is exchanged - to say nothing of the impact of the internet mindset on the established concept of rule of law.
Furthermore (not to put too fine a point on it) the practice on this interactive discussion forum of submitting whimsical messages for internet display and perusal reflects a general immaturity on the part of these so-called "trolls" and their disrespect for the time and energy of their peers who attempt to have meaningful and productive e-dialogs within these cyberwalls.
--Shoeboy
You set up it up nicely, by assuming that the only way programmers can get paid is by making their software proprietary. Apparently only one of us knows how to read. I did not make that arguement at all.
What I argued was that the buisness model of distributing software for profit relied on the software being proprietary.
You shouldn't get all worked up about something you read until you develop some comprehension skills.
--Shoeboy
Read the GNU website, dammit. And read the threads you participate. I'm quite good at reading actually.
I've even read the GPL, have you?
In order to profit from selling a good, there has to be scarity. The only way to guarantee scarcity of a software product (software has always had near zero copying costs) is to hide the source and build copy protection into the binary. Since the GPL is designed to remove these mechanisms of artificial scarcity, it is clearly designed to stop people from profiting from the work of the original author.
And, anyway, to answer you question, Cygnus. Last I checked, Cygus was owned by Red Hat, which is busilly pissing away investor cash like there's no tomorrow. Do try to stay current.
--Shoeboy
Once, while visiting the mens room on the second floor of building 11, I noticed a spent packet of lubricating jelly left behind by a previous inhabitant of the stall.
I'm not sure if there was any translation going on, but it seems plausible.
--Shoeboy
Please point out which section of the GPL says "you may not make money off this". Of course, there is none. Please point out a company currently turning a profit from the sale of GPL'd software.
While there is no explicit prohibition against making money, the GPL effectively prevents companies from turning a profit.
Do try to think before posting.
--Shoeboy
Even better, they could create "http://babelfish.altavista.com/microsoft", for example, to have a portal with Microsoft Human Resources-blessed NetNanny/CyberPatrol settings. And only that subtree would be accessible to Microsoft employees through the Microsoft firewall. Microsoft's an odd choice for that example. They're actually one of the more enlightened employers out there.
Microsoft only screws its customers, it treats employees quite well.
Pity the 3 main campuses are in the middle of nowhere.
--Shoeboy
This is the spell of summoning of Bowie J. Poag.
By reciting this incarnation, you can summon a twisted and deformed being that has done absolutely nothing with other that posting a few tiled backgrounds -- something monkeys can be trained to accomplish.
Despite this, the deranged being will assert that it is some sort of leading light in the linux community and will pursue it's strange agenda of destroying VA Linux by making an ass of itself on the/. message boards.
Try the incantation, it really works!
--Shoeboy
The best thing about hidden goatse.cx links is that you can click them in an open area and then explain to your coworkers that you were tricked.
Pity you can only do this once or twice before they start to wise up.
--Shoeboy
"We are pleased to be working with RealNetworks to put this behind us and to bring the creative energies of our software developers together with the leading company in digital media distribution," Bob Hildeman, CEO of Streambox, said in a statement. Am I the only one reminded of middle school and how the bigger kids would put you in a headlock and not let you out until you said that your mom was a whore or something like that?
Man this brings back memories.
It's good to see that the tradition lives on in the grownup world.
--Shoeboy
I've got tons of karma and thanks to the cap at 50, it can only go down. I've got nothing to lose. Every time you take one of my posts under 2 on this thread, I'll post a new one at 2. I can do this for the next 3 days.
I've got a problem with the way moderation gets done around here.
You see, I love/. I love hearing from John Crmack on the subject of Doom III. I love specious reasoning and IANAL posts on the DeCSS threads. I love moderation as a concept.
What I can't stand is vindictive or thoughtless moderation.
It pisses me off to see Vladinator get moderated down as offtopic on sid=vladinator. By definition, he can't be offtopic in his own fucking sid. It pisses me off to hear people yelling "Moderate Jon Ericson down, he's a known troll!!!" when the post in question isn't a troll. It's bad moderation that is ruining this site.
When you moderate, you've got tons of options. If you think a post should have a lower score than it does, there's 'redundant', 'offtopic', 'troll', 'flamebait' and 'overrated'. They all have the same effect of reducing the post score by 1, but they also have a side effect of providing feedback to the poster. If a post is stupid, but refers directly to the topic of the article, it is completely on-topic. Moderating it as 'offtopic' is worse than posting a followup of "IF I EVER MEET YOU I WILL KICK YOUR ASS"
As a moderator, you've been entrusted with maintaining the quality of/. discussions. Moderating based on the posters opinion of Linux or your opinion of the poster is an abuse of this trust.
You have an obligation to moderate thoughtfully. If you aren't willing to spend serious time thinking about whether or not your moderation is appropriate, you should mark yourself as 'unwilling to moderate'.
I don't like polluting this thread with complaints about moderation, but it seems to be the only way to drum this into your sheeplike skulls.
For those of you who moderate fairly or don't moderate at all, I apologize, but as a contributing member of the/. community (which is how you get the +1 bonus after all) I feel a responsibility to attack abuses of moderation whenever I see them.
--Shoeboy
I have tons of karma to burn and your inappropriate use of the offtopic moderation choice has pissed me off.
This is an offtopic post. A post that discusses the topic at hand is NOT an offtopic post.
You messed with the wrong karma whore.
--Guess Who?
I'd rather be strapped to a chair "Clockwork Orange" style while Jon Katz read every single one of his articles to me than make my way through a piece by Petreley.
The man is an ass and it's not suprising that he doesn't care for freedom of information since his essays are always free of any factual information.
He's a throwback to the days when the Linux community was hard up for advocates and he should be discarded now that his usefulness has passed.
--Shoeboy
This is hardly vertical-limit's best work, it's not even very good but he is the best troll to show up in the year 2000.
Check out his posting history.
Feel proud.
You've been trolled by the best.
Vertical-limit may very well be the second coming of Meept!!
--Shoeboy
This article has taken me a combined 20 years of broadcast and computer experience to compile I don't doubt it. I tried running it through gcc and got more error messages than I can count.
--Shoeboy
Ok, it's really easy to get the attention of developers. You just need to figure out where they hang out.
The kernel mailing list is a bad choice since it's read by thousands of M$ spies. The kernel developers know this, so that's why they post misleading and erroneous mailings there. It's all about subterfuge.
So if they're not on kernel-dev, where are they?
Simple you moron, they're reading slashdot. They use/. as a covert channel to discuss the kernel. You haven't noticed since they use steganography to hide their messages from m$. It's true - vladinator is actually hans reiser, spiralx is alan cox, trollaxor is ingo molnar and magenta syringe is linus.
They use the entities and goatse links to communicate in a form of morse code. Try viewing source - it's informative.
Anyway, now that you know where to find the kernel developers, you need to get their attention. This is easy since linux hackers are only interested in one thing: Natalie Portman.
(note for the confused, Natalie Portman used to be the code word for the rewrite of the scsi subsystem in 2.4, but it was causing too much of a problem with spontaneous orgasms, so they switched to olsen twins this is why osm *actually davem@redhat.com* used to post about it all the time.)
At any rate, claim that you have nude photos of Natalie Portman and you'll get their attention. Now that you've got their attention, post a link to the Portman pix that points to goatse.cx. This will let them know that you want to participate in kernel development. Now you wait. They'll contact you and integrate your patch.
--Shoeboy
Fuck off, troll, or I'll rip your colon out through your mouth. Troll? I think you've got the wrong foot-fetishist. I happen to be a Karma Whore.
--Shoeboy
Yawn wide as I ram my giant manmeat down your throat, veteran cockgobbling loser. It's man-meat you moron. Don't let me catch you leaving out the hyphen ever again.
--Shoeboy
"This issue of open source cuts to the core of the software business," said Jim Gray, a Microsoft researcher and a member of the presidential advisory group. "It is a real challenge, masked by a great deal of hype." For those that don't know, Jim Gray is an ex-IBM, ex-DEC database guru who won a Turing Award for his book "Transaction Processing: Concepts and Techniques" (among other things)
It's an amazing book (on my desk as we speak) and in it Jim bemoans the fact that DBMS technology has been hampered by the fact that most of the innovation was being done behind closed doors, thereby forcing coders to reinvent the wheel rather than advancing the state of the art.
So then DEC implodes and Jim Gray goes to work for MS. I seem to recall that he got a 7 digit signing bonus. And now he's describing open source as a "challenge"
I'm not suprised, but I'm more than a little saddened.
--Shoeboy
So at first I dismissed this Japanimation craze that's sweeping/., but I checked out some of the cartoons that my roommate had and they rocked.
Way better than the cartoons we had as kids.
Pitty they were subtitled tho, I found that distracting.
Apparently the dubbed versions have worse voice acting than 'Godzilla vs. Monster Zero', so I guess it's for the best.
Anyway, for all you detractors, just check this stuff out.
These cartoons have more tits, explosions and tentacles than anything I've seen before. It's the ultimate in action.
--Shoeboy
Slashdot Mirror
I don't really understand why anyone would want to run linux on sparc.
Sparc's are pieces of shit. The USII has the dubious honor of being the only *performance* risc cpu that gets hammered by the IA-32 in both integer and floating point.
The only reason to buy a sparc is to get services, support and software from sun. If you want a decent processor, check out the alpha.
The amazing thing is that instead of using an aggressive OOO design for the USIII, sun decided to stick with an in-order cpu. It's like they aren't even trying to produce a competetive CPU.
The reason sun sells boxes with 64 procs in them is that it takes that many to compete with 32 proc offerings from HP, Compaq and IBM.
--Shoeboy
using Word to create a text-only output is a slippery slope
Hallelujah my brother.
You have hit the proverbial nail right on it's proverbial motherfucking head.
Once you start down the slippery slope there's no telling where you might end up. I've heard horrifying tales of people using advanced multi-user operating systems for playing nethack. There have even been rumors of people using turing-complete programming languages to print "hello world". Thank god those are only rumors.
--Shoeboy
I can't believe taco didn't post the formation of the karma whore fantasy league.
--Shoeboy
Your style reminds me a bit of TheReverand.
Not sure why.
--Shoeboy
Tragically, www.fbi.gov has huge security weaknesses. They left port 80 open, allowing us 31337 haxors to connect. Once connected, we can send specailly formed packets known as "|-|77P R3qu3575" to the remote host and retrieve files.
The government should just pack it in.
There's no way to protect a system from the likes of me.
--Shoeboy
I agree.
Clearly the sociopolitical and economic ramifications of this dramatic intersection between so-called new economy companies and the established purveyors of copyrighted material warrant sober consideration. Any attempt at facetious commentary demonstrates a profound disregard for the implications this issue has on the marketplace wherein intellectual property is exchanged - to say nothing of the impact of the internet mindset on the established concept of rule of law.
Furthermore (not to put too fine a point on it) the practice on this interactive discussion forum of submitting whimsical messages for internet display and perusal reflects a general immaturity on the part of these so-called "trolls" and their disrespect for the time and energy of their peers who attempt to have meaningful and productive e-dialogs within these cyberwalls.
--Shoeboy
You set up it up nicely, by assuming that the only way programmers can get paid is by making their software proprietary.
Apparently only one of us knows how to read. I did not make that arguement at all.
What I argued was that the buisness model of distributing software for profit relied on the software being proprietary.
You shouldn't get all worked up about something you read until you develop some comprehension skills.
--Shoeboy
Read the GNU website, dammit. And read the threads you participate.
I'm quite good at reading actually.
I've even read the GPL, have you?
In order to profit from selling a good, there has to be scarity. The only way to guarantee scarcity of a software product (software has always had near zero copying costs) is to hide the source and build copy protection into the binary. Since the GPL is designed to remove these mechanisms of artificial scarcity, it is clearly designed to stop people from profiting from the work of the original author.
And, anyway, to answer you question, Cygnus.
Last I checked, Cygus was owned by Red Hat, which is busilly pissing away investor cash like there's no tomorrow. Do try to stay current.
--Shoeboy
Once, while visiting the mens room on the second floor of building 11, I noticed a spent packet of lubricating jelly left behind by a previous inhabitant of the stall.
I'm not sure if there was any translation going on, but it seems plausible.
--Shoeboy
Please point out which section of the GPL says "you may not make money off this". Of course, there is none.
Please point out a company currently turning a profit from the sale of GPL'd software.
While there is no explicit prohibition against making money, the GPL effectively prevents companies from turning a profit.
Do try to think before posting.
--Shoeboy
Even better, they could create "http://babelfish.altavista.com/microsoft", for example, to have a portal with Microsoft Human Resources-blessed NetNanny/CyberPatrol settings. And only that subtree would be accessible to Microsoft employees through the Microsoft firewall.
Microsoft's an odd choice for that example. They're actually one of the more enlightened employers out there.
Microsoft only screws its customers, it treats employees quite well.
Pity the 3 main campuses are in the middle of nowhere.
--Shoeboy
Y'AI 'NG'NGAH,
/. message boards.
YOG-SOTHOTH
This is the spell of summoning of Bowie J. Poag.
By reciting this incarnation, you can summon a twisted and deformed being that has done absolutely nothing with other that posting a few tiled backgrounds -- something monkeys can be trained to accomplish.
Despite this, the deranged being will assert that it is some sort of leading light in the linux community and will pursue it's strange agenda of destroying VA Linux by making an ass of itself on the
Try the incantation, it really works!
--Shoeboy
The best thing about hidden goatse.cx links is that you can click them in an open area and then explain to your coworkers that you were tricked.
Pity you can only do this once or twice before they start to wise up.
--Shoeboy
"We are pleased to be working with RealNetworks to put this behind us and to bring the creative energies of our software developers together with the leading company in digital media distribution," Bob Hildeman, CEO of Streambox, said in a statement.
Am I the only one reminded of middle school and how the bigger kids would put you in a headlock and not let you out until you said that your mom was a whore or something like that?
Man this brings back memories.
It's good to see that the tradition lives on in the grownup world.
--Shoeboy
I've got tons of karma and thanks to the cap at 50, it can only go down. I've got nothing to lose. Every time you take one of my posts under 2 on this thread, I'll post a new one at 2. I can do this for the next 3 days. /. I love hearing from John Crmack on the subject of Doom III. I love specious reasoning and IANAL posts on the DeCSS threads. I love moderation as a concept.
/. discussions. Moderating based on the posters opinion of Linux or your opinion of the poster is an abuse of this trust.
/. community (which is how you get the +1 bonus after all) I feel a responsibility to attack abuses of moderation whenever I see them.
I've got a problem with the way moderation gets done around here.
You see, I love
What I can't stand is vindictive or thoughtless moderation.
It pisses me off to see Vladinator get moderated down as offtopic on sid=vladinator. By definition, he can't be offtopic in his own fucking sid. It pisses me off to hear people yelling "Moderate Jon Ericson down, he's a known troll!!!" when the post in question isn't a troll. It's bad moderation that is ruining this site.
When you moderate, you've got tons of options. If you think a post should have a lower score than it does, there's 'redundant', 'offtopic', 'troll', 'flamebait' and 'overrated'. They all have the same effect of reducing the post score by 1, but they also have a side effect of providing feedback to the poster. If a post is stupid, but refers directly to the topic of the article, it is completely on-topic. Moderating it as 'offtopic' is worse than posting a followup of "IF I EVER MEET YOU I WILL KICK YOUR ASS"
As a moderator, you've been entrusted with maintaining the quality of
You have an obligation to moderate thoughtfully. If you aren't willing to spend serious time thinking about whether or not your moderation is appropriate, you should mark yourself as 'unwilling to moderate'.
I don't like polluting this thread with complaints about moderation, but it seems to be the only way to drum this into your sheeplike skulls.
For those of you who moderate fairly or don't moderate at all, I apologize, but as a contributing member of the
--Shoeboy
I have tons of karma to burn and your inappropriate use of the offtopic moderation choice has pissed me off.
This is an offtopic post. A post that discusses the topic at hand is NOT an offtopic post.
You messed with the wrong karma whore.
--Guess Who?
I'd rather be strapped to a chair "Clockwork Orange" style while Jon Katz read every single one of his articles to me than make my way through a piece by Petreley.
The man is an ass and it's not suprising that he doesn't care for freedom of information since his essays are always free of any factual information.
He's a throwback to the days when the Linux community was hard up for advocates and he should be discarded now that his usefulness has passed.
--Shoeboy
This is hardly vertical-limit's best work, it's not even very good but he is the best troll to show up in the year 2000.
Check out his posting history.
Feel proud.
You've been trolled by the best.
Vertical-limit may very well be the second coming of Meept!!
--Shoeboy
This article has taken me a combined 20 years of broadcast and computer experience to compile
I don't doubt it. I tried running it through gcc and got more error messages than I can count.
--Shoeboy
Ok, it's really easy to get the attention of developers. You just need to figure out where they hang out. /. as a covert channel to discuss the kernel. You haven't noticed since they use steganography to hide their messages from m$. It's true - vladinator is actually hans reiser, spiralx is alan cox, trollaxor is ingo molnar and magenta syringe is linus.
The kernel mailing list is a bad choice since it's read by thousands of M$ spies. The kernel developers know this, so that's why they post misleading and erroneous mailings there. It's all about subterfuge.
So if they're not on kernel-dev, where are they?
Simple you moron, they're reading slashdot. They use
They use the entities and goatse links to communicate in a form of morse code. Try viewing source - it's informative.
Anyway, now that you know where to find the kernel developers, you need to get their attention. This is easy since linux hackers are only interested in one thing: Natalie Portman.
(note for the confused, Natalie Portman used to be the code word for the rewrite of the scsi subsystem in 2.4, but it was causing too much of a problem with spontaneous orgasms, so they switched to olsen twins this is why osm *actually davem@redhat.com* used to post about it all the time.)
At any rate, claim that you have nude photos of Natalie Portman and you'll get their attention. Now that you've got their attention, post a link to the Portman pix that points to goatse.cx. This will let them know that you want to participate in kernel development. Now you wait. They'll contact you and integrate your patch.
--Shoeboy
Fuck off, troll, or I'll rip your colon out through your mouth.
Troll? I think you've got the wrong foot-fetishist. I happen to be a Karma Whore.
--Shoeboy
Yawn wide as I ram my giant manmeat down your throat, veteran cockgobbling loser.
It's man-meat you moron. Don't let me catch you leaving out the hyphen ever again.
--Shoeboy
Nice try, but the grammar is a little too bad to be believed.
--Shoeboy
"This issue of open source cuts to the core of the software business," said Jim Gray, a Microsoft researcher and a member of the presidential advisory group. "It is a real challenge, masked by a great deal of hype."
For those that don't know, Jim Gray is an ex-IBM, ex-DEC database guru who won a Turing Award for his book "Transaction Processing: Concepts and Techniques" (among other things)
It's an amazing book (on my desk as we speak) and in it Jim bemoans the fact that DBMS technology has been hampered by the fact that most of the innovation was being done behind closed doors, thereby forcing coders to reinvent the wheel rather than advancing the state of the art.
So then DEC implodes and Jim Gray goes to work for MS. I seem to recall that he got a 7 digit signing bonus. And now he's describing open source as a "challenge"
I'm not suprised, but I'm more than a little saddened.
--Shoeboy
So at first I dismissed this Japanimation craze that's sweeping /., but I checked out some of the cartoons that my roommate had and they rocked.
Way better than the cartoons we had as kids.
Pitty they were subtitled tho, I found that distracting.
Apparently the dubbed versions have worse voice acting than 'Godzilla vs. Monster Zero', so I guess it's for the best.
Anyway, for all you detractors, just check this stuff out.
These cartoons have more tits, explosions and tentacles than anything I've seen before. It's the ultimate in action.
--Shoeboy