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Cartoon Network, Tenchi, Silverhawks, and DBZ
da3dAlus writes: "Beginning Sept. 4, Cartoon Network will be showing the long awaited Android Saga episodes of DBZ. ReBoot will kick off the Toonami block, followed by Sailor Moon, DBZ, Gundam Wing, Tenchi in Tokyo (which begins this Friday), and Batman. In addition to CN's new Toonami lineup, Thundercats will be replaced by SilverHawks beginning Sept. 5 at 3:30. The return of the SilverHawks has been a speculation for several months now, but my local cable listing proves that they are in the upcomming lineup."
Looking forward to the new DBZ immensely, although I already have Tenchi in Tokyo on DVD. But silverhawks. God, was that ever a TV show designed to sell toys.
Finally, Cartoon Network will get the new DBZ stuff...now if we can only get the original episodes of Transformers...
How Jaded Are You?
Come on, that was like totally a rip-off of ThunderCats. Any kid in the mid-eighties knew this. God, I hated that show, thanks.. thanks alot for reminding me rob..
- Everything that you like, sucks.
I wonder if there are any futures plans of possibly branching cartoon network into a seperate anime network with 24 hour anime.
That would be pretty cool, I know I'd watch it a lot more than I watch cartoon network now.
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
I haven't seen that in years/decades...
I'm not asking for too much. I just want to see a revival of the old Transformer cartoons. Who's with me?!?!?!
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thunder cats is shown on cartoon network at 3:30pm
What is it with this Anime fetish?
I can see the merits of something like Akira, but not all Anime is good. DBZ and Sailor Moon don't even have Kitch value, they are just plain bad. Watching them is like watching paint dry and the plots and ideas are purile or infantile or both. Give me Tom and Jerry over this rubbish any day.
More anime? I thought this was "News for Nerds" not "News for Losers"
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I wasn't aware there was a difference.
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Moonstar of limbo! give me the might! the magic! the muscle! of mon...STAR! [evil laugh]
Wow, I hope I get Cartoon Network at my new apartment. (if i get a new apartment) Damn local cable company makes you pay an extra 10$ a month for sci-fi, CN, and CourtTV.
Silverhawks.. wow. That had a damn cool intro.
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From what a friend told me, Cartoon Network will probably not be showing two of the episodes during the Android series. I believe they are episodes 109 and 110.
I do know that he said that those episodes will not be sold on videotape, at least the dubbed version.
Take this with a grain of salt, though...
Kierthos
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
I have been a fan of anime and Toonami for some time now. However, when they recently added the new season of Sailor Moon (SMS) I no longer watched Sailor Moon. They changed the voices of so many characters, I just could not stand them. Ami's voice was changed from an intelligent sounding voice, to one more remeniscent of a valley-girl. Other than that, I am looking forward to the new season of DBZ, the Android saga. Hooray for Cartoon Network bringing us our anime. ^_^
mmm...physics...
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Does this mean they'll have to resort to prostitution to support themselves? Remember, kids: respect your elders.
Smack me if I'm wholly ignorant in posting this (I don't watch the cartoon network).
I remember being late to school almost everyday to watch robotech in the mornings ~ 8:00am. Is there any plans or has there been plans to syndicate robotech again?
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So at first I dismissed this Japanimation craze that's sweeping /., but I checked out some of the cartoons that my roommate had and they rocked.
Way better than the cartoons we had as kids.
Pitty they were subtitled tho, I found that distracting.
Apparently the dubbed versions have worse voice acting than 'Godzilla vs. Monster Zero', so I guess it's for the best.
Anyway, for all you detractors, just check this stuff out.
These cartoons have more tits, explosions and tentacles than anything I've seen before. It's the ultimate in action.
--Shoeboy
Okay, just for you, I submitted an Ask Slashdot:
Dawson's creek is such a cool show, they even smash an iMac in one episode, why are the subtle interpersonal relationships portrayed on this show ever discussed on a Slashdot forum, especially since we all spend so much time touting how great that Tenchi in Tokyo show is. . . Maybe we need to build a Beowulf cluster of Alphas and render our own Anime version of Dawson's creek, and we can edit in Natilie Portman to replace that one chick who got the job playing a 20 year old even though she lied about her real age; being 35. Natalie's pouting firm teen br- oh what the hell, enough already.
if it ain't broke, then fix it 'till it is!
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Does anyone know what the outer senshi/scouts in Sailor Moon S will be named? I've heard that Michiru will become Michelle, but nothing about the others.
Well, for one thing, it's *generally* been filtered and is better than most stuff this side of the Pacific Ocean; WB and Fox being exceptional with Batman/Superman, Batman Beyond, Men in Black, etc. If you don't agree, that's fine, then just don't watch.
DBZ and Sailor Moon tailor to the macho preteen male and the sensitive preteen female, much the same way Pokemon targets the young pre-pre-teens, and Escaflowne will target the older pre-teens, etc.
So you're really only complaining about Sailor Moon and DBZ, which I don't disagree with, when you compare to Tom and Jerry. But I do think Card Captors and Escaflowne are at least as good as Tom and Jerry ^^
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When I first saw Thunder Cats on Cartoon Network, one of my childhood memories was dashed. Rather than nostalgia, as I had expected, I encountered severe shock. I had enjoyed something that bad? Sure, I was a kid, but please!
The worst part was the inconsistant writing and plotlines. The episode where Mumm-Ra disguises himself as a member of their species (but with a completely different fusion of cat and human featuers, looking as much like one of them as I look like an orangutan) made me realize just how unsophisticated I must have been to have enjoyed it. For all the bad voice acting and melodrama, the part that shocked me most is that I never balked at the technical oversights.
I'm a little afraid of what maturity will do to my fond memories of Silverhawks. Perhaps the greatest gift of innocence... the ability to watch bad 80s toy-based cartoons... and enjoy them without cracking up.
Mind you, even in retrospect, later episodes of Transformers (and the movie) rock. And I have got to find a channel that airs season 2 of Beast Machines in LA...
The good side to being one of the best in a challenging field is, you can watch cartoons without losing self respect.
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New DBZ episodes?!! That's awesome! I can't wait to hear some more of that porn-style grunting they always do when they're scared!
Speaking of which, does anyone know what percentage of the show is taken up with that grunting, and with people saying "The planet will blow up in 5 minutes... any minute now... only 2 minutes left... in 5 minutes... any minute now..."?
This was one of my childhood favorites but it has been a really long time (15-20 years) since seeing the ones I'm (poorly) remembering....
I also started getting disillusioned when they introduced the cheesy robot (k-9?) in a later season, which was clearly an R2D2 ripoff....
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"All the best people in life seem to like LINUX." - Steve Wozniak
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"All the best people in life seem to like LINUX." - Steve Wozniak
Transformers was the best of the lot, followed by G.I. Joe. Of all the miserable excuses for cartoons we had in that era, nothing had quite the mystique of Cybertron and its denizens.
...Yes, old friend...) and the later G2 12 issue run was wonderfully grim, and a worthy exploration of the legacy of their war.
The comics based on the same property went from cartoon-clone to inspired to silly to absolutely brilliant. Near the end, there were scenes in the comics that still get me close to tears (Did I do good, Prime?
I thoroughly enjoyed Beast Wars/Beast Machines as well. Somehow, in a mire of commercialism, the derivatives of the TF property managed to make art.
-- Still waiting for the Nike endorsement
Is this serious? Are you trying to lose karma?
Well, I have to agree with some of your points, regardless.
This *is* better than most cartoons *and* TV shows we had as kids, and to call them cartoons is to seriously minimize the coolness they have.
As for the subtitling, that's a different debate *entirely* Subs are better for us when the voice acting and dubs detract from the experience. Dubs are better for us when the US cast and sound effects and music are of higher technical ability than the Japanese version.
Macross Plus was a better dub than sub
Evangelion was okay either way, though I do prefer the sub for Megumi Hayashibara.
Escaflowne is okay either way, but again I prefer the sub for Ikuo Otane, the voice of Merle/Pikachu(!)
Sailor Moon is pretty bad either way; the comic is much better ^^
Of course, with DVD, we get our cake *and* eat it too...
Of course, I try to avoid the tentacles, myself.
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Ah, but Robotech only remeinded me of what I used to get up early to watch during 2nd grade:
2) Star Blazers. I can still sortof remember the song "We're off to outer space... to save the human race... (something about radioactivity from Gamelan starships) ... if we don't, in just one year, mother earth will disappear."
Starblazers had the ultimate hack... Some people complain about people trying to shove new computers into old cases (you know, G3 in a Mac Classic, PC in an old NeXT cube). In Starblazers, they put a starship in an old Japanese seacruiser. Go figure.
3) After school, I watched "Battle of the Planets" (originally Gatchaman). There was a knock-off called G-Force on the Cartoon Network a couple of years ago. I couldn't tell if it was stupid because it was different, or if it was stupid because I was much older. :(
I remember thinking that Thundercats was sortof cool, and Voltron (though extremely predictable with them always drawing the sword at the end... but was that worse than the wave motion gun or main cannon of the SDF-1 or going to the fiery phoenix on Battle of the Planets? Discuss). But the above 3 would be my picks.
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When someone on dawson's creek gets a pet rabbit looking thing that turns into a spaceship, i'm sure more people here will probably watch it, till then, why bother?
I don't disagree; I was thinking of the US hack/dub in which they started to edit the music and storyline a bit to make it, er, livlier, than the original.
I was enthralled with Escaflowne, and I'm in my early 20s!
But the fact that it's being shown on a Saturday Morning, and not a Thursday Evening, tells me it's still being targeted at younger kids, and not the older teens...
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God I love that show, I have very fond memories of making those little watch-thingies they wore and running around the house, waving my arm past my face and saying 'Traaaaaaaansmute!'
But now I can't remember the bad guy's name... Something begining with Z as far as I remember (all cool bad guys have names beginging with Z. It's a rule). ;)
And I seem to remember that 'he' may not have been a 'he'. But that could be the drugs talking
Gev.
So damn witty, they only let me use half.
I'm not sure Akira has a point. I watched it once. When it gets rereleased I'll watch it exactly one more time to see if it's what I remember. Maybe it's one of those drug induced designs.
I am a big fan of anime too, and I definitely have a sizable list of what I don't like. Saying one is an anime fan doesn't mean they like all of it or even a large fraction of it. A DBZ fan is a fan of an anime show, whether or not they like anything else. I haven't watched any DBZ BTW...
When I recommend anime I usually take into account what genres of regular shows they like, then recommend the best anime counterpart I can think of. I've done reasonably well in winning "converts" this way.
That was the weirdest show. It was very much a ThunderCats rip-off, that's for certain -- just make them cyborg cops instead of fantasy werecats, right?
Funny thing, though -- someone said something about it being a series to sell toys, and that's certainly true about the bulk of children's television in the 1980s, but SilverHawks toys never went very far. For one thing, the 'Hawks themselves were a bit too sophisticated to really translate to good toys -- the built-in pressure masks, for example. For another thing, I think people (even kids) sort of realized that the whole thing as concieved simply didn't work.
It was an interesting idea, though. Maybe someone could do a real SF book series around the concept of cyborg cops...
/Brian
I feel sorry for all the lil' kiddies being exposed to Shin Tenchi Muyo... The OVAs (Tenchi Muyo: RyoOhKi?) were great; nice story... interesting people... great theme. They watered it down for the TV show (Tenchi Muyo Universe?) by making it a drawn out story about a love triangle. But for the love of anything holy... do NOT let your friends watch Shin Tenchi Muyu (Tenchi in Tokyo in the US)!!! It a sad excuse for the Tenchi series. If you want new Tenchi, watch Tenchi Forever. Side note: DBZ and SM are great animes for whom they target. You can't judge all of Anime on the shows ment for 13yos. Oh, and Akira bombed in Nihon... think about that and watch it again. It's only a clasic coz it's the first thing most of us got to see.
Your post sounds faintly racist, to me. Sorry if it wasn't intended that way!
I'm not sure Japanimation is a kosher term; it's Anime, now, and Manga for the dead tree version. I mean, no other culture really does Anime, most of them just do 'cartoons', though Batman Beyond, Batman, Superman, Men in Black, come close to being Anime more than cartoons.
I'm sorry if you're confused by the stills and the pans. They are commonly called 'animation cheats' and they save money and effort, so that we can get better animation quality, better story arcs, better character design, or better voice actors. It's a budget saving thing.
Examples:
Evangelion
Rear shot of Rei's head in countless elevators
Hair obscuring the eyes
Gendo's hands always positioned in front of his face
The *long* escalator scenes, zoomed out enough that we can't see the faces
Face shots above the nose, in which the eyes don't blink.
Long, still pans of the cityscape
Reuse of fight animation, with different backgrounds
Other anime does it too; if you're still interested in watching, watch for it. It's sorta fun to try to find animation cheats. Lain is *filled* with them...
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One never realizes how bad the cartoons you used to love are until you're older. I'm 17 now, I absolutely loved Thundercats. About a week ago, i watched it, and it shocked me how horribly bad of an actor the lead character's voice actor is.
Funimation, the people who did DBZ, are responsible for a lot of the ultra-shoddy quality in the animation, the (excessive) grunting, and utterly stupid lines (and music!). I seriously hope they don't get any more series, for fear they'll do to it what they did to DBZ. Their only saving grace is releasing the new Dub+Sub DVDs, which are quite good, from what I hear, though they're quite expensive (at $25/disc, and 291 episodes in DBZ, at 4 episodes a disc, it would take roughly 72 discs and $1,800 dollars for the whole series, not counting boxed sets).
But what am I saying, I spent $126 on the Tenchi Muyo! OVA set, and $81 on Kite, Patlabor1 and Neon Genesis Evangelion 0:1, and $114 on the last 8 novels of the Battle Angel Alita series (screw the Battle Angel anime!!)
Much like mine. I've submitted 3 postings about this show now. Maybe I should do something else.
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Shouldn't it be http://www.megatokyo.com?
Try to leave the world in a little better shape than the way you found it.
Turn it off it your settings. I personally enjoy getting anime news here. It's great. If you don't want it, remove "anime" from the posts you receive.
And what do you spend your nights watching? Whacky shows like Malcom and Seventh Heaven? I'd pay money to have those idiotic sitcoms replaced with a decent 80's cartoon.
I was more into Voltron than Thundercats...
But you know, the weird thing about it is that if you remember it fondly, there was something about it that appealed to you that's probably still there. All of these shows, no matter how truly cheezy we see them as now, hit some sort of geek nerve with me.
/Brian
This is an outrage!
They can't take the thundercats away!
Everyone admit it, that was the greatest show (not just a cartoon, I'm talking television event/phenomenon/series) ever. Not even cancellation will destroy the legend. Cartoon Network will soon realize the errors of its ways (after an amazing drop in ratings)and will bring it all back. Not even C.N. can deny Lion-o his war against the very very evil (and stylish) Mum-ra. I think the mummy fashion is very chic, its coming back.
Yeah, you thought you forgot.
Thunder, thunder, thunder, thundercats, HO!
Silverhawks? Bleh. While there have been far, far worse cartoons (Monchichi's anyone ;) that is stooping pretty low. Glad I already finished taping all of Reboot. (Season 3 will be on DVD soon! Hurray! But by ADV! Who suck!)
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Honestly, even though I'm a pretty big anime fan, I have absolutely zero interest in watching 99.44% of the crap that Cartoon Network tries to pass off these days. Sailor Moon? Tenchi TV? DBZ? For god's sake, who -and this is the important bit- in their _right_mind_ wants to watch any of those?
Fox has Escaflowne OTOH, which is _very_ good. (though I haven't seen their version, just fansubs some years ago)
Now they just need to get the rights to, oh say, Cowboy Bebop or Nadia or one of the better Gundams (no, Gundam Wing is not as good as 0080 or 0083 or V) and then, rather than having Americans begin to appreciate anime they might end up appreciating GOOD anime.
(whereupon we make 'em watch Otaku no Video and invest in Otakuland. Tatakae, OTAKING!
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Woah there! They smashed an iMac in Dawson's Creek? Which episode? I wanna get a copy! I hate my wife's iMac. It ate our wedding photos.
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"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
I'm talking about the DragonBall Z. First of all, Dragonball the comic is the biggest comic in the history of manga. It's the batman/superman of manga. And it's better because it ends after the author decide to end it. American comic industry ruin itself by building brand name instead of artists. The comic pace is much, I mean much more intense than the cartoon. The cartoon is like a rambo animation (just an example, I don't know if there is a rambo cartoon, it may as well be) --it got waterdowned for the lower demography audiance, the elementary schoolers. Remember time they first know the alien (my idol Vegeta) are coming and all other guys are prepare for them, it takes about 12 episode on the anime? It took literaly 1/2 page in the comic. That was the time anime series change its name from DB to DBZ. Bt the time the comic/anime was so big that we thought they were cashing in with crapa la Batman Forever, who could have thought the best segment of dragonball was in that planet (too lazy to find out the english name for you) (to be continue..)
Try "Neon Genesis Evangelion" from AD Vision. It's got some pretty damned good english voice actors, a very deep storyline, a some great fight scenes. It's 26 episodes long, with 4 episodes per DVD except for the last DVD with the last 2 eps. The movie ending to the series is currently in production from Manga video, has the same voice actors, and even better battles.
:)
Just *don't* watch it around bible-belters.
ROFL!
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I totally agree with you.
This Basicially sums up as the Only thing I could stand to watch with the Thundercats in it.
Keep in mind that these are the actual Voice Actors of the show and they also ironicially did the voices for the Silverhawks. There are also a couple of sound bytes for the Silverhawks lying around as well but I could never find them again after I downloaded them
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look, i am excited that /. is out to cover anime, the more topics on the site the better. but rob, dbz sucks. the original dbz sucks. it just sucks more when it has stupid american voices and is censored by ted turner. same goes for sailor moon and (to a lesser degree) tenchi. they just aren't good anime, and censorship hurts them more. if anyone is a real anime fan they seek out their own titles, that they like, without relying on ted turner to paint over ryoko's nakedness for them.
howabout some coverage of _real_ news about _real_ anime (vampire hunter d 2000 for example). these cartoon network stories aren't anime news, they are tv guide level material!
-=tonyt=-
I've seen Goku beat the hell out of the seven star dragon in DB GT long time ago, which was supposed to be the final episode of all DB stuff.
1)transformers
2)thundercats
3)silverhawks
4)gi joe
The android saga of DBZ? Now you'll get to find out why DBZ is known as 'Drag-on Ball'...(not that the android saga is much different to any of the other big fight sequences..)
What about SpaceGhost? They took it off Friday night, and now its only on Sunday nights. ARGH! How about people write to cartoon network, and let get it on more often ... please?!?
I'm a total Tenchi addict, so after devouring the first 2 oav series, 3 movies, and what episodes of Tenchi Universe I could get on DVD, I ordered like 4 of the Tenchi in Tokyo DVDs. Turned it off before the first episode ended. I can't believe what they did to some extremely interesting characters; they turned it from beautifully written anime to a nauseating parody of itself. Don't judge the whole franchise by Tenchi in Tokyo.
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I have to agree with you. I love the whole series... except Tenchi in Tokyo, but if you turn on the subtitles and switch the language to japanese it's 10-times more bareable. Tenchi in Tokyo -100points
How about some Ninja Scroll type anime on tv. Wish there was a Anime Network, like HBO, that would get the 0-day kickass anime inhouse. DBZ.. it's ok I suppose. But, Ninja Scroll, Ghost in the Shell, Fist of the North Star type stuff floats my boat. Wow, I must be a sick bastard... hmm.. issues.
Let's start with some cool ones then:
Escaflowne(26 or so)
Lain(13 or so)
Evangelion(26 or so)
El Hazard(8 or so)
Do these count as worth talking about, or watching?
Here's more:
Perfect Blue
Kenshin (95 or so)
Cowboy Bebop (still going)
Trigun (still going)
Tenchi Muyo: RyoOhKi!
Macross Plus (4 or so)
Most of the above are much more than 'silly gags' and 'beaten to death cliches'. They run the gamut from serious to entertaining, to contemplative and depressing.
Of course, this is just argument to keep Anime *on* Slashdot!
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Jonny Quest: Dr. Quest made it cool to be a scientist. One week, he's a physicist, the next week he's a biologist. Little known fact: Haji was the initial recipient of a H1B visa.
Roadrunner: Physics lessons disguise as a cartoon. I learned all about sudden changes in momentum and about the laws of gravity.
George of the Jungle: Same physics lessons thus reinforcing what was taught by watching the Roadrunner show. Demonstrated that the laws of physics are universal.
Scooby Doo: Taught the scientific method. Plus the cartoon featured real nerds in action.
Speed Racer: An import from Japan that enjoyed a brief period of popularity in the US. This show inspired a generation of Japanese youths to become automotive engineers. Youth in the US wanted to become NASCAR drivers. Marked the beginning of the rise of the Japanese automotive industry.
Is it any wonder why science and math scores in this country are decreasing? Coincidence? I don't think so. It is sad that not a single Presidential candidate has spoken up about this.
I thought you guys were giving each other the raspberry!
"..don't you eat that yellow snow."
Why was my post moderated down?
It posted my comment, my ideas, my feelings, thats what I thought this sight was all about!
When I said I had watched DZ several times, doens;t that tell you that I have at least give it a try, and do not like it?
"Anime" as I guess you call it now, is redicoulas, why would you go cheap on Backgrounds and fight scenes and opt for better voice actors or such? I thought the whole point of watching cartoons was to watch it? If they want to blow all their money on Voice actors, why not just have a radio show??
I'm sorry if you consider my post Flamebait, I was just trying to add to the conversation, ATLEAST I wasn't talking about Naked Gritted Natalie Portmans, or whatever the Trolls fetishes are these days!
I remember Silverhawks.
I couldn't remember the name of the show but I have always described this show to other people to see if they remember it as well...
Try telling people about space taxis and bad guys with interchangable heads and they look at you like something horrible and green has just spouted out of your forehead. Philistines.
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Where are the reruns of GI Joe? If there is one cartoon that would be a hit if brought back, it's this one. Did anyone see the movie? I vaguely remember it from my childhood, but I know it freaked me out. Something about spores, etc.
If any of you /.-ers out there had read my earlier statement of Anime being screened over Cartoon Network here is my follow-up
Let the mutilation begin!
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What we need is to bring back Tranzor Z! Hovercraft, link!
LOL.
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If you think that SilverHawks is a marketing gimmick, try Yu-Gi-Oh. On 11 July, I tried watching an episode, and was lucky I survived the experience. I've been trying hard to forget all about it, but the plot went something like this:
1. Yuugi meets Bad Guy, gets sucked into the Yami no Geimu (Game of Darkness) world.
2. Yuugi and Bad Guy play Magic: The Gathering for 25 minutes.
3. Yuugi wins.
Of course, you can walk to Gamers afterwards and buy the card game and numerous other Yu-Gi-Oh items. I'd rather watch Digimon, even the American dub -- of course, Di Gi Charat blows both of them away (nyo!).
Hey, I agree. :-) I think the whole Anime thing was cool a few years ago but these days I am getting tired of watching these poorly 2-fps cartoons.
Give me a troll rating if you must, but I just won't suck up.
The whole thing is nerd/geek-wannabe stuff now. You might as well put the same coverage into AD&D, but I hope you won't.
Reminds me of how people thinks that they can achieve total geekness on their CV just because they managed to install RedHat and can type that in.
It might be news, but it doesn't matter.
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Mon*Star of Limbo... [errie music] Give me the might... The Muscle... The MENACE... OF MONSTAR!!!! Ok, maybe not as cool as Mumm-RA, but hey you be the judge. Cool Stuff about silverhawks
I'm not going to jump on you for your opinions that I disagree with. However, you should perhaps be made aware of the fact that "jap" is a racially derogatory term, so please try to avoid using it.
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Damn I hated that song even when I was a young Silverhawks fan. The idea that metal wasn't real really bugged me.
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Wow, I recall those cartoons from waaaaay back...
Thundercats. So-and-so, but I always disliked the idea of having the same bad guys come over and beat up your home again and Again and AGAIN and AGAIN. I mean, I'd been pissed off after the 4th or 5th attack. What was the point of letting them live every time they got captured?
Silverhawks. As everybody else said, it was just Thundercats in space. Interesting fact: Hey kids, did you know you could breathe _air_ in space? Dont listen to your science teacher!
Tigersharks. Ugh. That was plainly Thundercats under water. 'nuff said.
GI Joe. Well, I guess you had to be an American to love this show. It was so-and-so, it had several interesting stories and characters, like the Pirate one... but come on! Soldiers who could jump out of a tank before a laser blasted it to pieces? More weapons shot in 5 minutes than the ones in Desert Storm?
Transformers. Now this was a cool cartoon. More so after they invented the Dinobots. And, unlike the rest of the shows mentioned, this one managed to evolve into Beast Wars, which kicks ass.
Candy Candy.Bleagh! Don't get me started.
Massinger Z. Now this show was so strange, you didn't know if you liked it or not until you had seen it for a couple of weeks. Things to remember: the female robot (Aphrodite, was it?) with the launchable rocket boobies. Or the Boss robot, made out of junk (literally). All in all, an interesting show.
Ok, enough ranting. It's time for my medication, now...
Tongue-tied and twisted, just an earth-bound misfit, I
Learning to fly, Pink Floyd.
Transformers is the best !!! 100 times better than the current animal robot 3D crap showing now.
What other cartoon would have robots getting drunk by drinking energy cubes (remember that ?) !
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Slow down the rotation of the Earth...
Okay, no problem. In fact, we've already started.
The moon's gravitational pull is slowly reducing the rotational velocity of the Earth. It is estimated that the day was only twenty or so hours long when the dinos were around, IIRC. So, just wait another 100 million years or so, and we should be up to 30 hours a day.
(To those readers who find this interesting, I might recommend the book What if the Moon Didn't Exist? , by Neil F. Comins.)
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I wonder if there are any futures plans of possibly branching cartoon network into a seperate anime network with 24 hour anime.
I find it somewhat amusing that "anime" is simply the Japanese word for "cartoon". So, to translate: I wonder if there are any plans for branching cartoon network into a separate cartoon network with 24 hour cartoons?
:-)
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CN did not do the translations, Funimation did. Cartoon Network is very lax on their censorship. They hate having to do it, and apparently they're willing to bend the rules by showing less censored stuff on the Midnight Run. Now Funi does have the subtitled DVDs, which are being done by one of the people at toriyama.org, who has pushed really hard to get them to use the actual names, and aside from "foul language" which Gen Fukunaga for some reason won't let in (maybe they will with ratings), the subs are near 100% accurate. While good, CN won't be able to cover most of the truly GOOD anime, because the cuts would likely be too massive.
Yeah, Funi did a bad job and painted all the blood out, rather poorly, considering they did the same thing on the daytime Gundam Wing run, but you couldn't really tell. The cigarette, by the way, is from Buruma's father in his scenes in DBZ. And of course, Japanese language with English subtitles is the only way to watch NGE!
I don't understand how anime is as relevant to technology. If it is given it's category, then sports or the Simpsons or any other non-computer related topic should also recieve one. I think it's hypocritical that /. assumes that people like anime here, because I don't. I think if there is the allowance of anime stories being posted, then there should be stuff about Pedro Martinez or Ralph Nader. I'd like to see it, wouldn't you?
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Help me through college please!
I like anime as much as any geek. Hell, just my Laserdisc collection of Anime is almost 200 Discs. It's very nice to see Anime get some regular TV time slots. However, after watching Tenchi on Cartoon network is became very clear that there is a price we pay. First, Cartoon network does some SERIOUS censoring of all Anime.
Now, even when the shows were originally dubbed there was some artistic rewording. This is typical for most Dubbed Anime. In one case Pioneer reworded a scene where Washu wants to collect a sperm sample from Techi using her mouth. If you watch the LD's with captioning on you'll see the original translation.
At any account, Cartoon Network goes about 20 steps further. Any reference to drinking, sake, or beer has been replaced with TEA. Blood digitally masked out. And some scenes simply cut out.
Now, some people might say they "have" to. However, I submit that all of these episodes have been shown on PBS before, uncut, durning the daytime without any problems. I could see some language changes, but Sake is Sake, let's not be so PC that it has to be Tea.
it may not matter to you but it matters to some of the rest of us. so if you don't like it configure your fucking slashdot account and do something about it instead of whining. personally, i think it's great that rob started posting anime news. just because you don't happen to be into it, don't be an asshole.
"Soushite shinsengumi wa shinsengumi, ookami wa ookami. soushite, hitoiri wa hitokiri, darumo Battousai?"--Saitou
Couple things:
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Almost all of the cartoons and anime is created for the express purpose of selling toys. Ever notice how Bandai and Hasbro (or whoever they are now stateside) produce a boatload of animation and have the toys on the shelves before it even hits the airwaves?
Also, a note on censorship on cartoon network: I've noticed (assuming that many of you have not) that a whole lot is cut out of nearly every DBZ episode.. of course this is usually crazy death, destruction, japanese humor (that they assume the 15-year-old audience wont understand), and vulgarity (not to mention assorted swearing).
Personally, I cant even watch Tenchi on cartoon network because I know they have carved the storyline to pieces so that they can insert 8 min of commercials and translated ineffectively so that the voice "talent" can speak on queue. Anyway, it bothers me.
I suppose I'm just one of those purists that likes to watch fansubs instead of commercially produced anime. Quality over quantity.
Maybe someone should write an article (because I know no one will ask me to) on how repressed cable tv is in its current state. I'm <b> paying </b>for the privilege of watching premium television, and I'm being delivered a caricature of the original work.
I think there's something wrong with that.
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It's certainly a change from the OAVs or Tenchi Universe, but Tenchi Universe was a pretty big change from the OAVs. Personally I think that, take on its own merits, Tenchi in Tokyo is a more solid show than Tenchi Universe overall. Universe makes up for being totally bland and lacking in substance most of the time by having a really solid ending.
But neither are as good as the OAVs. The only problems with the OAVs are A) Fusing Ryo-Ohki with the Masu (resulting in a dumb tranformation into some mutant toddler that isn't nearly as cute as cabbit form) and B) The horrible, evil, sadistic, life-threatening lack of an conclusion.
As far as pure toy marketing power, nothing can beat M.A.S.K. I mean those toys were C-H-E-A-P. But I loved the show. I even made a Lego version of their gas station/hidden base.
M-M-M-M.A.S.K
is the mighty power that will save the day,
M-M-M-M.A.S.K
no one knows what lies behind their masquerade.
M-M-M-M.A.S.K
always riding hard on V.E.N.O.M.'s trail.
and i forget the rest
A wealthy eccentric who marches to the beat of a different drum. But you may call me "Noodle Noggin."
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Molog
So Linus, what are we doing tonight?
So Linus, what are we going to do tonight?
The same thing we do every night Tux. Try to take over the world!
Is it just me, or does this sound like the name of an old Bon Scott-era AC/DC song?
sup
I was just about to ask if I was the only one who remembered that show. The toys were really cheaply made but they rocked. Nothing like a car whose doors swung upward into "wings" to give me a cheap fix for my Transformers craving.
power puff girls.
:)
feer.
-dk
-dk
Dream with the feathers of angels stuffed beneath your head.
who knew?! when is it on? damn, and all this time i was donating money just to see that afro-painting guy...
Wings of metal...Nerves of steel...:)
Bah! Silverhawks, Thundercats, Voltron, hell, even Power Rangers...imposters! They all bow down before the glory that is G-Force. No other cartoon team was their equal. Consider how many cartoon-team themes that we now take for granted were pioneered by G-Force.
- Teams must have 5 members: A studly leader, a rebel loner, a token female, a wacky kid brother, and a fat guy who's good with machines.
- Every 5th episode must be feature a team-member other than the leader in great detail. Said episode usually involves the feature team member doing something incredibly stupid, which usually leads to him/her being captured. The rest of the team must then bail out stupid team member, and give them a stern lecture about the importance of teamwork.
- Whenever the entire team is rendered unconcious, the studly leader is ALWAYS the first to wake up. Second up is the rebel loner.
- Each team member has their own unique form of transportation. There is usually a motercycle of some form. Each team member also has their own unique weapons. There is usually some form of boomerang, whip, and grapling hook.
- Whenever the team is facing off against their arch-enemy and his legion of goons, the rebel loner is the first to attack. The fat guy invariably ends up throwing 5 goons into a pile to show his massive strength, the wacky kid makes two goons run into each other, and the token female fights one goon the entire brawl. The studly leader, of course, goes straight for the arch-enemy, but always let's him escape.
Come to think of it, these themes also seem to apply to family sitcoms and boy-bands as well. Hmmm....
Anime in its native state is just a cut above.
True, true.
Carl Macek (of Streamline infamy) had it right when he announced at some convention I gophered as an early teen punk otaku that widescreen-ratio flicks should be shifted towards the top of the screen, so that the extra letterboxed area at the bottom of the screen could be dedicated entirely to subtitles. That way, purists would be satisfied on two grounds: Subtitles would no longer obstruct actual imagery, and those of us with wide screens could just get rid of the subs entirely.
This was at Anime Expo '92 or '93. Cheers rose up from the crowd, even for this man, butcher of Super Dimension Fortress Macross, Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross, and Genesis Climber Mospeada...which were chopped up to form "Robotech." (I'm only guessing that they used Mospeada instead of Super Dimension Orguss because the motorcycle-armor thing is SO FUCKING COOL. Plus, the Orguss mecha looked too "organic.")
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I wish John Kricfalusi would get back to making Ren & Stimpy cartoons. Now there was something America was proud of!
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flamebait? I see it as a perfectly valid opinion... just as valid as comander taco thinking people care about anime... just because he thinks this is news for nerds, or something that matters and other people voice that they dont agree, doesn't mean it's flamebait....
We must break the racial/religion stereotypes in this country. We must follow in the ground-breaking work of the Three Stooges that show that not Jewish people were Einsteins.
> as long as the music is intact.
The music is not intact.
yakusoku wa iranai - gone
mystic eyes - gone
white dove - gone
cat's delicacy - gone
About the only original music I caught was "Escaflowne" and that for only a couple seconds.
if the answer isn't violence, neither is your silence / freedom of expression doesn't make it alright
I'll send you to ...... ANOTHER DIMENSION!!!!!!
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Oh my god, Bear is driving! How can this be?
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Seriously, our South African version of Statelite TV does not have DBZ or any other anime for that matter... it get's advertised the whole time, but when the time comes, something inane takes it's place!
It really sucks.
News for American nerds, stuff that only matters to them. OK so I'm jealous OK. DBZ rules ;-)
Alright. I will not say I am the biggest anime fan. I have, however, developed an interest. What fueled this interest you may ask. Dragon Ball Z. Yes, that ass drag of an animation was my first. But that led into other things. Ninja Scroll, NGE, and Macross are just a few I've picked up over the last two years. Now, recently, Tenchi began airing on Cartoon Network. I was originally taken with the program, the better-than-average quality of the dub, and the over-all story. I also saw that I was not getting the whole deal. So what did I do? i went out and spent a couple hundred dollars to buy the whole collection. Now, I'm in love with the Tenchiverse. I will admit, it does have its down spots, but it usually makes up for it somehow. For instance; the blandness of tenchi Universe being wrapped up by an ending that almost had me in tears. Now, I do have a point. The editing of some anime to be shown on network/basic cable television may be detrimental to the advancement of the art in that field, but it may also bring in new people looking for more. And for the record; no, I don't excuse what Fox did to Escaflowne. Also, if anyone is interested, McFarlane Toys is putting out a Ryoko figurine. Find it in their catalog here; http://www.spawn.com/toyfair2000/catalog/anime.fig ures2.html
I have always loved Anime and still spend hours downloading the fan subed episodes of DBZ and a few others.
After watching the fansubed versions from Dragonball episode 1 through Dragonball GT final episode. I happened to catch an episode on Cartoon Network (Freeza Saga). After about five minutes I had to change the channel. The extremely poor voices for the show just drove me nuts. The only voice that I found good was Vegeta.
I can handle the changes that they made such as takeing out the blood and the discriptive words for Freeza's mother. But the voices need to go. Gohan should not sound like some 30 year old aged warrior when he is still a scared little kid. In the Japanese version Goku and Gohan both sounded like kids. Which really added to it when they got pissed and blew up everyone. When Cartoon Network first started with the translated episodes they sounded good (when Vegeta showed up) then when Freeza Saga started they changed companies doing the voice over that seems to only be working for throwing out the episodes as fast as they can.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
Man, here's five bucks,
go learn how to turn off
a topic
Jeez...
Fox just started season 2 of Beast Machines last weekend (though not with the first episode of that season, 'Fallout' - ?!?). Saturday mornings around 10 or 10:30 ET, don't know how they do PT schedules by comparison. I had the same feeling about the Thundercats when I saw them on some rainy weekend this summer. I remember what hooked me originally was the *stunning* opening sequences, looked like classic anime vs. American stuff. The formula got a little tired after a while, and in Silverhawks, having the borg-bird save their collective bacon about every fifth episode got REAL old.
So our only hope is to start writing letters to TeleToon pointing out that "TCN in USA is doing Anime, why aren't you???"/RANT
European viewers don't have this problem, last time I was in France, they were showing the Patlabor TV series...
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I confess. I'm hooked.
Bah. The DBZ english televised episodes are often quite poor.
Get DBZ in it's purest form: manga!
English translations at Planet Namek.
The thing that people seem to forget is that serial anime (like GBZ or Gundam Wing) are the asian counterpart of US cartoons.. Most series anime lacks deep plots or interesting philisphical meaning because it's being marketed primarily to 10-year-olds. I mean, if you want detailed explorations of a charaters motivations, got watch 'LA Law'. GBZ is about action, plain and simple, and any witty dialogue that gets thrown in, well, it's probably stuff that the editor forgot to edit in the cutting room. Hell, if we were all 9 years old, Techni would fscking 0wn.
The other side of this is Film Anime -- Stuff like 'Ghost in the Shell' and 'Lain' that, while possessing action sequences, are more about exploring issues and meanings verse 'pink shit' coming out of ones forhead. I dare you to get a pre-teen to sit still during 'Lain'.
Eh, fuck it. So be it.
Hilary Rosen's speech was about her love of money and her desire to roll around naked in a pile of money.
Regarding Tenchi in Tokyo. Yes, the animation style is quite different. Yes, they changed continuity again. Some of the episodes are actually quite funny though. I busted a gut when I saw Ryo-Ohki transform into the mechacabbit. And the song for the ending credits is hilarious - but you'll probably have to get the DVDs to see it; I doubt CN will play it as it was never dubbed into English.
And since no one else has said it yet: directed to those who complain every time an anime subject comes up on /. , go to your preferences and turn off anime news. Please.
"Property is theft, therefore theft must be property, right?"
See preferences in the side of your page there? Click on it, now find the anime checkbox, now uncheck that. Hit save. There. No more anime on slashdot. Wanker.
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Yay, But as for CN, they don't seem to have that mutch good stuff. The DBZ they show is butured compared to the original, Tenchi in Tokyo is the worst of the series, and the other stuff they have on is not revelutionary or anything.
Sorry for complaining, I will still watch all of it(especialy DBZ) because we need to suport out anime on TV so that maby someday CN will make an anime network, that and it is still better than most any american cartoon crap on ABC or dizney.
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G-force? aka Battle of the Planets aka (bleh) "Eagle Riders"; that which was also and originally
known (to the Japanese) as Science Ninja Team Gatchaman!!!
How sneaky of you to link a Toonami thread into the Anime topics like that...
Macross, Masters and Invid. Now that would be cool! Perhaps toon network or SCI-FI is listening?
"Dream it, build it, sell it!"
Seems like everytime I'm playing a game of Tribes, Counterstrike or Quake 3, some moron joins with a name of "DBZ4VR2931" or "SSJ4-VEGETA" or "SUPRE GOHAN." I (obviously) don't care for the show, but it gets annoying when people run around with the character's names.
they all look alike to me :-)
if it ain't broke, then fix it 'till it is!
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
IIRC, at the time Toonami was airing Robotech every weekday, their two-hour block was filled with Thundercats, Voltron, Robotech, and the new Jonny Quest cartoons. CN didn't have a lot of money to begin with, and I think there was some pressure from on high to develop their own stuff instead of shows they'd have to license from other folks; so CN got the first two parts of Robotech (more licensed episodes means higher cost), and blew a wad on Quest. Yech. And the ratings never really came in for Robotech - at least, not enough to justify buying more episodes. Again, IIRC Toonami wasn't doing too well in terms of ratings until they started airing Sailor Moon; that got even better when they added DBZ. Of course, two shows had to be sacrificed to make room for those, and do you think CN was about to get rid of shows they owned instead of ones they had to license from other people?
Also, you may be in the minority on this. I recall hearing that Genesis Climber Mospeada bombed in Japan except for a small cult following - but its lack of success may also have been due to a bad time slot. Oh well, I like it.
Alan Zabaro
A lot of people here are repeatably saying "Watch subbed not dubbed!!!". As a Jackie Chan fanatic, I've seen my fair share of poorly dubbed movies, and I'm here to tell you, it's still better than watching something "subbed". How people can concentrate on the plot/action/whatever while listening to (my american ears) goobleygook is beyond me. Constantly having to watch the bottom of the screen while trying to pay attention to what's going on is beyond me, and having to put up with some annoying cut-rate voice "talent" is well worth the trouble to avoid that. Sorry to unload, but this sub vs. dub thing comes up every single time an anime story is posted.
Oh boy,
You don't even want to get me started on M.A.S.K., and why do you say the toys were cheaply made? They were quite simply the coolest toys I ever had as a kid. Never broke a single one. The decals didn't stay on worth crap, but they worked all the way up to the day I sold them.
(sighs) I can even remember all the names of the vehicles, their drivers, and most of their masks' special powers. (sobs crocodile tears) What a total fan boy I am!!
Man how I'd love to get ahold of the distributions rights to this one. MMmmmm ..... DVD is just screaming for M.A.S.K. to be released on it ... Ok, I'm screaming for it to be released on DVD. Is it just me or does anyone else think that the Thunderhawk should have been a DeLorean DMC-12 and *not* a Chevrolet Camaro? I know, I know, I'm just picky.
Raises an interesting question about copy right infringement, though. Since M.A.S.K. was out before Back to the Future, a flying DeLorean ... hmmm haven't seen one of those in ... 30 years?
Anyone happen to have any contacts in Cartoon Network that we can talk to about acquiring transmission rights for M.A.S.K.? After all these years they have to have reverted to Kenner/Hasbro, right? Hmmmmm ......
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Don't you be dissing my man Godzilla and his monster dubbing action.
By the way, who else saw Godzilla 2000? (MPAA boycott be damned, this is GODZILLAAAAAAAAAAAAA! *smash* TOHO)
Is this post not nifty? Sluggy Freelance. Worshi
...seasonal anime. Stuff like Sailor Moon (you think I'm joking, don't you; watch it Japanese) or Neon Genesis Evangelion or Saber Marionette J.
The main story is drawn out over an entire season. While selling toys is a big part of it, the only way to do a seasonal anime properly is with a half decent story. After all, they can show it over and over and over and.....
It's good for those who like having stuff like plot, and don't want it all shoved at them in two hours.
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I *didn't* moderate it down!
Anyway, to tell you the truth, the more popular Anime, like Ah My Goddess, does the following:
Manga (for the literate)
Video
Music CDs from the Video
Music CDs *based* on the Video
Music CDs *sung* in character
Music CDs from the Video sung in character
Radio shows
Radio shows on CD
Anyway, just to let you know, that your point actually does happen. It isn't just cartoons, any more than the shows on TV are just sitcoms. There are the full gamut of productions, each one meant as entertainment and one escape from reality. That includes actors(real ones, not just He-man kind of actors), special effects, high quality animation, backgrounds, and character design.
If it's just a cartoon to you, then there really isn't much more to talk about.
But you did ask:
why would you go cheap on Backgrounds and fight scenes and opt for better voice actors or such?
Suspension of disbelief. Why would one bother with all the alien history, anatomy, research, and background, if you're never going to see it on a Sci-fi show? Why bother with the empires, timelines and histories of nations in said shows?
The nick is a joke! Really!
GPL Deconstructed
There's actually a lot more than just the songs for the transformation sequences ... the series has an incredible number of CDs associated with it, somewhere upwards of 50, perhaps more. A lot of songs were done under the series' name, but never used in the actual anime.
Compleat used to have all of them up in MP3 format, but I've lost track of where that site is now. I luckily have all of them burned to CD, but don't have the space to host 7 CDRs on my harddrive as of yet...
Yeah? Maybe I'll try that one of these days. I prefer Tenchi dubbed because I just like the American voice actors so much...
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