Then why aren't you buying your own modem for less than $......
Yes and note well that comcast has begun playing games and selling WiFi connectivity to the likes of AT&T to pump up their bandwidth failure.
Since Comcast owns the hardware they have started installing modified software and opening up "guest" accounts that they control.
So far they seem to have taken off some endpoint bandwidth caps and those that have identified this do not seem to suffer bandwidth losts HOWEVER you pay for the power and they sell a service.
IMO, If they sell a service that is available 7x24 they should be paying for AC power and physical plant data closet rates... Sure it is only --- but worse if they also sold access to the NSA.
In terms of substantial difference between the sounds of the ancient violin made from wood cut in a fairy glade by the full moon,.....
(Disclaimer: I am a violin maker)
Perchance do you live near a fairy glade?
Have you soaked some spruce boards in dark tannin rich red wine or hard cider for a season or two and then slow dried them in open air drying barn in Humbolt county or southern tobacco country.
If the above and if you have a precision NC Router I might try learning the fiddle in my old age.
Designing a hermetic container that lasts for years is non-trivial, particularly one to hold Helium, which has very, very small atoms that can go through the interstices in the metal......
This is important..... I have seen thick wall steel pipe with blisters inside the metal. The pipe contained high pressure hydrogen at high temperatures and the hydrogen would react with the carbon in the steel and grow bubbles a little like Swiss cheese.
The diffusion dimension of H2 and He is also interesting.
And why would you not use helium? They already seal the hard drives and it is just as easy and cheap to leave helium in the drive as some form of super clean air.
Ask the question differently..... why you would use helium. A partial answer is thermal... revisit the old TCM (thermal conductive modules) used in system components like IBM 3081. H has good thermal properties. Another is the H or He have vastly better dynamic fluid properties to let the head seek and perhaps fly better. Pressure and seal is an issue but an expansion bladder can establish a way for pressure changes to have minimum impact on the case. Helium is inert allowing a wider choice of internal materials.
Some of these properties are not dependent on a 100% H atmosphere.
Many of the old strads have been modified to have a taller bridge or this or that to improve on the voice.
The old strads that were less than wonderful have been used as kindling or rebuilt and refitted to be playable. i.e. only the instruments that stand the test of time made it to today.
One anomaly in the good ones that is almost impossible to measure is the way the wood was dried. One supply had been submerged in volcanic ash and was gently permeated with silica as well as it was cured for decades before being sawn into boards and finally dried. Should someone pull some Mt. St Hellen spruce out of Spirit lake and slow cure the boards well we could have a modern fiddle that in 700 years will prove to be a master.
600 million does not seem sufficient to ship removable fuel rods to Yucca Mtn. in the modern world.
The good news is that there is some darn solid granite in this area that could be tunneled into and rods stored in one meter diameter coffins to the side and shielded by rock. While not perfect the rods could be locked up about as tight as Fort Knox...
Vastly larger masses of material exposed to neutron flux and transmuted a little or a lot are a larger problem.
It's auto-maker welfare. Now everyone has to get the backup camera option. Expect vehicle prices to increase by about $400-$500 to comply with this regulation unless there's a drastic reduction in the cost of parts and labor.
While they are at it lets mandate recording cameras front, side and sure back. Partly they can record police vehicle badness.
With luck we will also get good images of the next large meteor strike.
An estimated 13 to 15 deaths and 1,125 injuries may be prevented with the implementation of this new requirement."
This read like sarcasm to me. Then I realized they were serious. I'm all for backup cameras. I've had my share of fender benders, but it seems like there are far better ways to spend money to improve car safety than this.
On reality I have noted is that the crash and rollover tests have caused car makers to build thicker and wider vertical structures to protect the occupants. However, the result is less visibility.
So DOT is likely mandating a fix for unintended consequences of their regulatory process.
IN a lot of ways, I do not have a problem with a company making a financial decision... it is what companies do. It is up to society to make sure that the cost is so high that companies doing the math come up with the right conclusion.
Nor do I. There is an old saying to the effect: "Had I known then what I know now".
In this case we see some evidence of relentless improvement which is something I want from any vendor I do business with. We do want companies to install small as well as large improvements in their product as they learn how to make and break their products. Like software changes how do we evaluate the importance of each tiny change?
I fear that the punitive nature of the modern legal system will take any change as an admission of (fill in the blank). Such admissions then become the bones of contention.
This is kin to the patent system where it is impossible to navigate and near impossible to purchase access to inventions that can improve safety of devices.
Who could have a problem with a program that returns twice the input? $ cat two.c/* two.c */// return twice the input #include #include int main( int argc, char *argv[]){ int innie; innie= atoi(argv[1]); printf("the answer is: %i \n", innie * (int)3); }
The exact timeline of the term oggcast is uncertain, however, The Linux Link Tech Show, one of the longer running Linux podcasts still in production, has a program in the Ogg Vorbis format in its archives from January 7, 2004.[2] Given that a stable release of Ogg Vorbis did not appear until July 19, 2002,[3] it is very likely that the term oggcast was coined sometime between 2002 and 2004."
They didn't file the patent until 2009. Surely someone who's been doing the same thing for more than 5 years is safe from this? RSS and the idea behind web syndication has been around for 20 years. RDF has been a standard for this very purpose since 1999
WikiPedia may have it close to right. Personal Audio lawsuits[edit] Personal Audio, a company referred to as a "patent troll" by the Electronic Frontier Foundation,[22] filed a patent on podcasting in 2009 for a claimed invention in 1996.[23] In February 2013, Personal Audio started suing high-profile podcasters for royalties,[22] including the Adam Carolla Show and the HowStuffWorks podcast. US Congressman Peter DeFazio's previously proposed "SHIELD Act" intends to curb patent trolls.[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast
Under all this is mumble foo about Apple trademarks and software in iTunes and other devices that just made it easy.
This may prove to be such an egregious abuse of the system that Personal Audio may have serious liability. In part their liability may be full disclosure of all attempts to capitalize on this both success and failure. And further company memoranda involved in the decision to pay... some of the big guys pay for demands below some guideline... with little interaction but their financial analysis is the gold in the sand pile. i.e. proof of thuggery.
The court held a hearing today on the subpoena. Good news: Magistrate Judge Nathanael Cousins agreed with EFF and struck down Personal Audio's demands. The judge will issue a written order shortly; we will publish as soon as we have it.
Personal Audio can try to appeal the decision, so this fight may continue. But for now: victory!
What kind of genius thief selects the unemployed to steal from? What's next, Pinto owners?
Many unemployed still have stuff to steal: identity, credit line, bank account, unemployment checks,.. what they do not have is money to tempt the dark side... (legal types) to defend and advocate for them.
There have been many analysis of the reason it is low risk and profitable to steel bicycles but not $10,000.00 from a bank.
If the police end up in the presence of cash at the home of a thief they impound it and the home and more and slip it ALL into the coffers of the municipality/ controlling agency.
So crook "A" has stolen $500,000.00 and they smash the door down for one theft of $10,000.00 now $490,000.00 goes into the pockets of one group of crooks armed by your tax dollars and sure $10,000.00 goes back to the one "known victim". Bicycles... what is the value of having 1000 more of them to the cops?
And with the right interconnect the ground floor could have a ten square inch camera easement on the ridge poll of a multi family home. And yes a view of a tropical beach from Chicago without crazy long telephoto lenses and mirrors on the moon or other orbiting mass.
Yes insulation... we need more of it. Lots more of it.
Dense living + acoustic insulation lets you sleep in quiet while your neighbors party yet be able to walk to most markets. Dense living can save on many energy fronts and not impact the environment by a sprawl out on farm land.
Hot or cold thermal thermal insulation is undersold for locations that need heating and cooling.
Windows are so bad thermally that it makes sense to replace most with insulated wall and with a small camera invite view of the outside in. LED TV with an aero-gel backlight for some locations.
Review your local building codes. Remove penalties for improvement and demand better total insulation packages for homes and businesses.
Someone is getting their pockets lined. This is politics Al Gore style. Its pathetic, "food shortages" yeah right, because we all know food doesn't grow when the climate is warmer........ Scare tactics by intellectually challenged pseudo scientists.
Sigh... the problem is real. And there are additional problems with the solutions the fat cats associated with Al Gore are promoting.
We have many many starving people in large regions of the earth now. Upsetting the status quo could make the problem worse. I cannot see how global warming is a good thing. Worse the climate models cannot tell us what will happen (when, what , where). A serious problem is some changes involve trees. Trees take decades to get established and become productive. Then there are issues with ripping out the homes and buildings and rescuing the land to make room for things that grow.
Any public URL that is unencrypted is not a secret........
OK I am confused is this https or http or the decorative baggage on the URI or CGI input.
I suspect that anyone that can see their own numeric ID in the URI or more interestingly in CSS JavaScript and in cookies including Adobe poo has seen a public interface that is broken. https://mail.go0ogle.com/mail/....
ICC-IDs are not sequential. You'd have to try a lot of them before you get a successful hit.
Plus, if the API wasn't told to you by AT&T, then it's not public.
Most API (interfaces) are in fact very public and visible in the URI you see when you hover over a link. Further all firewalls in schools and most companies inspect the URI as well as most data that is sent and returned.
I would assert(tm) that interfaces like this are astoundingly public and used by firewall service companies to protect corporate america an the squinty little yes of children that might see something they see all the time at home and in school (their own locker rooms).
There are problems with the law here that need to be fixed. That is not to say that his actions were legal or not but that the law is terrible and because he died on the dunking chair proves he is a witch/warlock.
Some of the earlier "finds" referenced in this article had a lot more evidence......without a doubt to be "somewhere in asia, maybe."
Given the abysmal date set we have to work with here it is clear that long range (and even local) aircraft need to talk to each other.
At 20-40,000 feet the line of sight high frequency options are clearly untapped.
While satellite communications are expensive a p2p (aircraft2aircraft) store and forward messaging system is an obvious opportunity.
There are wide open very high frequency lightly regulated bands that seem to me to be an obvious thing to use.
The number of aircraft flying in any half hemisphere is a lot less than the early days of uucico prune the map with GPS data and some interesting transmission patterns are very possible.
One enhancement is clearly an option and that is store/ cache/ forward. The value of this is that there is no dependency on the politics of a single aircraft.
And yes I would be happy to be a co-inventor should someone run with this.
The interesting subtext of this the astounding line of sight and astounding bandwidth of point to point data links. Air2air radio traffic could profit from old school and classic satellite pointing technology.
Should air2air traffic be unavailable satellite traffic is still an option.
Isolating air2air traffic from other avionics bands is also possible and adds some isolation and thus safety to this. There is also cash to be made. Air2air like car2car mesh traffic technology is at hand and all highways could supplement internet backbones.
I should also note that China has some astoundingly fine submarines. They are mostly diesel electric and run silent and deep enough to be able to search for the transponder. As good as they are they could find the "black box acoustic ping" with "gosh darn luck" and not divulge their capability. I do hope they have been dispatched. Further I would like to believe that the naval traffic folk have established regions and depths for subs to operate in the way air traffic control has established simple traffic management with altitude (vs. depth) limits. And yes keep clear please regions....
True China is not the only one with fine quiet submarines more than a couple boats should be moving toward this region.
Not more dense than sugar beets though, which take less than 1% of the water per ton.
But what is the growing season and temperature requirements for sugar beets. We are talking about California and WP reminds me: "In warmer climates, such as in California's Imperial Valley, sugar beets are a winter crop, planted in the autumn and harvested in the spring."
I though most of it came from snow melt on the western half of the continental divide.
........gark....
Geography lesson please....
The big agricultural belts of California involve big long valleys with very limited outflow to the ocean. While not as extreme as Death Valley and Panamint Valley they would be dry empty and almost non-productive arid expanses most of the year without irrigation.
One nasty side effect of irrigation and the draw down of the water table is the build up of toxic salts that are not diluted and do not dribble away as they once did. Birds migrating through the area visit these toxic marshes and die from selenium poisoning and more.
An aside is that broccoli grown in the Calif Central valley is special because it is high in selenium. Like many things in moderation a little can be necessary and good but a lot is nasty.
Slashdot Mirror
Then why aren't you buying your own modem for less than $ ......
Yes and note well that comcast has begun playing games and selling
WiFi connectivity to the likes of AT&T to pump up their bandwidth
failure.
Since Comcast owns the hardware they have started installing modified
software and opening up "guest" accounts that they control.
So far they seem to have taken off some endpoint bandwidth caps
and those that have identified this do not seem to suffer bandwidth losts
HOWEVER you pay for the power and they sell a service.
IMO, If they sell a service that is available 7x24 they should be paying for
AC power and physical plant data closet rates... Sure it is only ---
but worse if they also sold access to the NSA.
Do you know what makes a "master" violin?
The stories one tells about it.
In terms of substantial difference between the sounds of the ancient violin made from wood cut in
a fairy glade by the full moon,.....
(Disclaimer: I am a violin maker)
Perchance do you live near a fairy glade?
Have you soaked some spruce boards in dark tannin
rich red wine or hard cider for a season or two and then
slow dried them in open air drying barn in Humbolt county
or southern tobacco country.
If the above and if you have a precision NC Router I might
try learning the fiddle in my old age.
.......
Designing a hermetic container that lasts for years is non-trivial, particularly one to hold Helium, which has very, very small atoms that can go through the interstices in the metal. .....
This is important.....
I have seen thick wall steel pipe with blisters inside the metal.
The pipe contained high pressure hydrogen at high temperatures and
the hydrogen would react with the carbon in the steel and grow bubbles
a little like Swiss cheese.
The diffusion dimension of H2 and He is also interesting.
And why would you not use helium? They already seal the hard drives and it is just as easy and cheap to leave helium in the drive as some form of super clean air.
Ask the question differently..... why you would use helium.
A partial answer is thermal... revisit the old TCM (thermal conductive modules)
used in system components like IBM 3081. H has good thermal properties.
Another is the H or He have vastly better dynamic fluid properties to let the head seek
and perhaps fly better.
Pressure and seal is an issue but an expansion bladder can establish a way for
pressure changes to have minimum impact on the case.
Helium is inert allowing a wider choice of internal materials.
Some of these properties are not dependent on a 100% H atmosphere.
And if you crack one open you can sound funny.
Many of the old strads have been modified to have a taller bridge
or this or that to improve on the voice.
The old strads that were less than wonderful have been used
as kindling or rebuilt and refitted to be playable. i.e. only the
instruments that stand the test of time made it to today.
One anomaly in the good ones that is almost impossible to measure
is the way the wood was dried. One supply had been submerged in
volcanic ash and was gently permeated with silica as well as it
was cured for decades before being sawn into boards and finally
dried. Should someone pull some Mt. St Hellen spruce out of Spirit
lake and slow cure the boards well we could have a modern fiddle
that in 700 years will prove to be a master.
600 million does not seem sufficient to ship
removable fuel rods to Yucca Mtn. in the modern
world.
The good news is that there is some darn solid granite
in this area that could be tunneled into and rods stored
in one meter diameter coffins to the side and shielded
by rock. While not perfect the rods could be locked up
about as tight as Fort Knox...
Vastly larger masses of material exposed to neutron flux
and transmuted a little or a lot are a larger problem.
This is a big expensive RutRo....
It's auto-maker welfare. Now everyone has to get the backup camera option. Expect vehicle prices to increase by about $400-$500 to comply with this regulation unless there's a drastic reduction in the cost of parts and labor.
While they are at it lets mandate recording cameras front, side and sure back.
Partly they can record police vehicle badness.
With luck we will also get good images of the next large meteor strike.
An estimated 13 to 15 deaths and 1,125 injuries may be prevented with the implementation of this new requirement."
This read like sarcasm to me. Then I realized they were serious. I'm all for backup cameras. I've had my share of fender benders, but it seems like there are far better ways to spend money to improve car safety than this.
On reality I have noted is that the crash and rollover tests have caused
car makers to build thicker and wider vertical structures to protect the
occupants. However, the result is less visibility.
So DOT is likely mandating a fix for unintended consequences of their regulatory
process.
IN a lot of ways, I do not have a problem with a company making a financial decision... it is what companies do. It is up to society to make sure that the cost is so high that companies doing the math come up with the right conclusion.
Nor do I.
There is an old saying to the effect:
"Had I known then what I know now".
In this case we see some evidence of relentless improvement which is something
I want from any vendor I do business with. We do want companies to install small
as well as large improvements in their product as they learn how to make and break
their products. Like software changes how do we evaluate the importance of each
tiny change?
I fear that the punitive nature of the modern legal system will take any change as
an admission of (fill in the blank). Such admissions then become the bones of
contention.
This is kin to the patent system where it is impossible to navigate and
near impossible to purchase access to inventions that can improve safety
of devices.
Who could have a problem with a program that returns /* two.c */ // return twice the input
twice the input?
$ cat two.c
#include
#include
int main( int argc, char *argv[]){
int innie;
innie= atoi(argv[1]);
printf("the answer is: %i \n", innie * (int)3);
}
WP has some history here:
"History[edit]
The exact timeline of the term oggcast is uncertain, however, The Linux Link Tech Show, one of the longer running Linux podcasts still in production, has a program in the Ogg Vorbis format in its archives from January 7, 2004.[2] Given that a stable release of Ogg Vorbis did not appear until July 19, 2002,[3] it is very likely that the term oggcast was coined sometime between 2002 and 2004."
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oggcast)
They didn't file the patent until 2009.
Surely someone who's been doing the same thing for more than 5 years is safe from this?
RSS and the idea behind web syndication has been around for 20 years.
RDF has been a standard for this very purpose since 1999
WikiPedia may have it close to right.
Personal Audio lawsuits[edit]
Personal Audio, a company referred to as a "patent troll" by the Electronic Frontier Foundation,[22] filed a patent on podcasting in 2009 for a claimed invention in 1996.[23] In February 2013, Personal Audio started suing high-profile podcasters for royalties,[22] including the Adam Carolla Show and the HowStuffWorks podcast. US Congressman Peter DeFazio's previously proposed "SHIELD Act" intends to curb patent trolls.[24]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast
Under all this is mumble foo about Apple trademarks and software in iTunes and other devices that just made it easy.
This may prove to be such an egregious abuse of the system that Personal Audio may have serious liability.
In part their liability may be full disclosure of all attempts to capitalize on this both success and failure.
And further company memoranda involved in the decision to pay... some of the big guys pay for demands
below some guideline... with little interaction but their financial analysis is the gold in the sand pile.
i.e. proof of thuggery.
DING/Ding
UPDATE MARCH 5, 2014:
The court held a hearing today on the subpoena. Good news: Magistrate Judge Nathanael Cousins agreed with EFF and struck down Personal Audio's demands. The judge will issue a written order shortly; we will publish as soon as we have it.
Personal Audio can try to appeal the decision, so this fight may continue. But for now: victory!
What kind of genius thief selects the unemployed to steal from? What's next, Pinto owners?
Many unemployed still have stuff to steal: identity, credit line, bank account, unemployment checks,..
what they do not have is money to tempt the dark side... (legal types) to defend and advocate for them.
There have been many analysis of the reason it is low risk and profitable to steel bicycles but
not $10,000.00 from a bank.
If the police end up in the presence of cash at the home of a thief they impound it
and the home and more and slip it ALL into the coffers of the municipality/ controlling agency.
So crook "A" has stolen $500,000.00 and they smash the door down for
one theft of $10,000.00 now $490,000.00 goes into the pockets of one group
of crooks armed by your tax dollars and sure $10,000.00 goes back to the
one "known victim". Bicycles... what is the value of having 1000 more of them to the cops?
And with the right interconnect the ground floor could have a ten square inch camera easement
on the ridge poll of a multi family home. And yes a view of a tropical beach from Chicago
without crazy long telephoto lenses and mirrors on the moon or other orbiting mass.
If the LCD is 100 watts we are close today:
Found on the web: CHSM 6610P module 250-watt Module
Single Panel 250watts 8.27amp 30.30volts 65.04" x 39.13"x 1.77"
And yes this is partly why hyper insulating aero gel is interesting
as it can pass light.
Shutters may prove more cost effective today and in many
locations would not require a building permit for existing structures.
New construction needs to be addressed in building code ASAP.
homeopathic products today are bogus.
They are unregulated because they are diluted to such a degree
that there is nothing to regulate.
On the positive side older homeopathic methods were
not so dilute and did have medical consequences.
Some were problematic and some are now used
by mainstream medicine for things like allergy
treatment and yes immunizations.
Hearken back to cowpox as a prophylaxis for smallpox.
Unregulated homeopathic products are a modern scam.
OH PLEASE insulate me from this madness.
Yes insulation... we need more of it.
Lots more of it.
Dense living + acoustic insulation lets you sleep in quiet while your neighbors party
yet be able to walk to most markets. Dense living can save on many energy fronts
and not impact the environment by a sprawl out on farm land.
Hot or cold thermal thermal insulation is undersold for locations that need heating and cooling.
Windows are so bad thermally that it makes sense to replace most with insulated
wall and with a small camera invite view of the outside in. LED TV with an aero-gel
backlight for some locations.
Review your local building codes. Remove penalties for improvement and
demand better total insulation packages for homes and businesses.
Someone is getting their pockets lined. This is politics Al Gore style. Its pathetic, "food shortages" yeah right, because we all know food doesn't grow when the climate is warmer........ Scare tactics by intellectually challenged pseudo scientists.
Sigh... the problem is real. And there are additional problems with the solutions the fat cats associated
with Al Gore are promoting.
We have many many starving people in large regions of the earth now.
Upsetting the status quo could make the problem worse. I cannot see
how global warming is a good thing. Worse the climate models cannot
tell us what will happen (when, what , where). A serious problem is some
changes involve trees. Trees take decades to get established and become
productive. Then there are issues with ripping out the homes and buildings
and rescuing the land to make room for things that grow.
Any public URL that is unencrypted is not a secret. .......
OK I am confused is this https or http or the decorative baggage on
the URI or CGI input.
I suspect that anyone that can see their own numeric ID in the URI or
more interestingly in CSS JavaScript and in cookies including Adobe poo has seen a public
interface that is broken.
https://mail.go0ogle.com/mail/....
ICC-IDs are not sequential. You'd have to try a lot of them before you get a successful hit.
Plus, if the API wasn't told to you by AT&T, then it's not public.
Most API (interfaces) are in fact very public and visible in the URI you see when you hover
over a link. Further all firewalls in schools and most companies inspect the URI as well
as most data that is sent and returned.
I would assert(tm) that interfaces like this are astoundingly public
and used by firewall service companies to protect corporate america
an the squinty little yes of children that might see something they
see all the time at home and in school (their own locker rooms).
There are problems with the law here that need to be fixed.
That is not to say that his actions were legal or not but that the law
is terrible and because he died on the dunking chair proves
he is a witch/warlock.
Some of the earlier "finds" referenced in this article had a lot more evidence ......without a doubt to be "somewhere in asia, maybe."
Given the abysmal date set we have to work with here it is clear
that long range (and even local) aircraft need to talk to each other.
At 20-40,000 feet the line of sight high frequency options are clearly untapped.
While satellite communications are expensive a p2p (aircraft2aircraft)
store and forward messaging system is an obvious opportunity.
There are wide open very high frequency lightly regulated bands that
seem to me to be an obvious thing to use.
The number of aircraft flying in any half hemisphere is a lot less
than the early days of uucico prune the map with GPS data and
some interesting transmission patterns are very possible.
One enhancement is clearly an option and that is store/ cache/ forward.
The value of this is that there is no dependency on the politics of a single
aircraft.
And yes I would be happy to be a co-inventor should someone run with this.
The interesting subtext of this the astounding line of sight and astounding
bandwidth of point to point data links. Air2air radio traffic could profit from
old school and classic satellite pointing technology.
Should air2air traffic be unavailable satellite traffic is still an option.
Isolating air2air traffic from other avionics bands is also possible
and adds some isolation and thus safety to this. There is also
cash to be made. Air2air like car2car mesh traffic technology is
at hand and all highways could supplement internet backbones.
I should also note that China has some astoundingly fine submarines.
They are mostly diesel electric and run silent and deep enough to be able to
search for the transponder. As good as they are they could find the
"black box acoustic ping" with "gosh darn luck" and not divulge their
capability. I do hope they have been dispatched. Further I would like
to believe that the naval traffic folk have established regions and depths
for subs to operate in the way air traffic control has established simple traffic
management with altitude (vs. depth) limits. And yes keep clear please
regions....
True China is not the only one with fine quiet submarines more than a couple
boats should be moving toward this region.
Not more dense than sugar beets though, which take less than 1% of the water per ton.
But what is the growing season and temperature requirements
for sugar beets. We are talking about California and WP
reminds me: "In warmer climates, such as in California's Imperial Valley,
sugar beets are a winter crop, planted in the autumn and harvested in the spring."
How do you propose getting potable water back to where it was?
With a pot of course...
Is there a typo..... I think the answer
is "With pot of course".
Exporting herb is water friendly compared to other stuff.
The stems and stalks can be used as fuel too.
I though most of it came from snow melt on the western half of the continental divide.
........gark....
Geography lesson please....
The big agricultural belts of California involve big long valleys with
very limited outflow to the ocean. While not as extreme as Death Valley
and Panamint Valley they would be dry empty and almost non-productive
arid expanses most of the year without irrigation.
One nasty side effect of irrigation and the draw down of the water table
is the build up of toxic salts that are not diluted and do not dribble away
as they once did. Birds migrating through the area visit these
toxic marshes and die from selenium poisoning and more.
An aside is that broccoli grown in the Calif Central valley is special
because it is high in selenium. Like many things in moderation
a little can be necessary and good but a lot is nasty.