>You can't combine Open Source with selling the same product for thousands of dollars
And what about Redhat, Mandrake, SuSE or Corel distros ? They're selled in boxed, and they can also be fetched gratis. Distros are the best example free software can be selled. Just ship a manual along with the CDs in the box.
Imagine someone selling boxes with, for example, a Gimp CD and a prettifully printed book. It would be buyed.
If you don't believe me, look at the impressing number of 3D Studio or MS-Office books you can buy. People are not always willing to buy the software if it cost too much, but help and informations about how to use software is always appreciated.
Now, if you want to sell really expensive software, you must sell software destined to customers who can afford it, for example airport management software. And you'd better offer an impressive support and nearly perfect software quality.
Hello ? Is there something in your head or have you just happily swallowed all the France-bashing post here ? José Bové is as non-violent as Gandhi. See this, I'm getting tired of repeting it. No one get hurt.
See this. And now, I can reassure you, McDo havn't loss any of their precious penny here. It's their insurance company. Who's still pretty healthy and wealthy.
"->insert some random brainwashing ad from Microsoft here<-"
See "linuxonceleron", they are nice, hard-wroking people, not some big bad scary multinational corp, Microsoft is your friend, I'd advise you to have one of their great Windows Me OS today! We all know that since Microsoft is the most popular software publisher in the world, that they make the best software too.
There are hard working nice people at McDo ? that don't mean that McDo isn't a "big bad scary corp". That just means that McDo give hard work to nice people. Every corpo on the world employ nice, hard working people. There are sweet, cute and very brave little children working really hard for Nike. Nike is not a big bad corp, so, but brave little children working to give you your shoes.
This was sarcasm, in case you don't understood it. You sing the corpo's advertising like all well-reeducated mooing mass member.
And the majority wants WINDOWS ! And then along come some intellectual (RMS, ESR, etc) who think they know what people want, and what is best. But people know better. Windows is good for people. People want Windows. People want talking paperclip. People want AOL. People want to say "moo, mooooooh". People run in pack. People act like lemmings.
> The happy fat masses will always rule, because they are the majority. "Democracy is the dictature of the mass over the minorities." That's why minorities and intellectual (yes, José Bové is an intellectual) must act spectacularly to get coverage for there thoughts and conditions. They can symbolically unconstruct an unfinished McDonald restaurant, for example.
You don't know him and you don't want to. His action is not caused by his pretented anger at not selling cheese. It was just a PR stuff, something to wake up the sleeping mass and get massive coverage to expose his idea. See here if you want more infos on this McDo's undoing.
Sidenote: the way you write "cranky French goat farmer" indicate that you consider "french" and "goat farmer" as as insulting as "cranky".
Yes, Bové is a tyrant: he prevented lots of dumb people to go eating in a not-opened restaurant! There was nonetheless lots of good food here: plastic tube, metal crap, and some tools. Just when there was something eatable in a McDo ! How sad.
Sarcasm aside, I hint you toward this for short explanation on what he really did.
Use your brain here, child: the aim was not to endanger McDonald (who don't get really hurt, this was unfinished, so there wasn't much work undone, and the insurance was here to refund its owner). The aim was to make a big PR operation. M. Bové earned this way much press coverage and much support from people everywhere on Earth - even from American farmer.
This post's parent would have been quickly scored at -1, Flamebait.
I quote: "this guy is largely full of shit": splendid example of how "orabidoo" conceive debating: mere insult. "he would just like to replace Mickey Mouse with Asterix": totally stupid argument, and totally false either. José Bové is not against American Culture, and have never even talked about cartoons and comics. And, by the way, how could Mickey Mouse speak for us ? "ust some local closed-mindedness": your utmost argument: if it's not american-born, it's local ; I fear you can't think another way. It's sad for you. José is surely less close-minded than you, at last he looks at the future and warn of the forthcoming threats.
Okay, if all "potential terrorism" were like that, the world would be a better place.
First, he adverted police and prefecture about his coming action.
Second, he adverted the under-construction McDo's owner.
Third he make sure that noone will get hurt.
And fourth, he called journalist.
This was a symbolic act, without any violence, without death or injury. The McDo wasn't finished, so little has been lost for its owner (who get refund by his insurance).
If only all vandal and terrorist could act like José Bové, the world would be so more peaceful.
All you have to do is to release your software under two different license: one open, that benefit from the Open Source development model, and one closed, whose you sell license to those that want to create (or use) closed-source stuff. This way you can combine best of both worlds.
Note, however, that it's not possible if you use free software code that you don't own. You may need to workaround this by spliting your programs in different parts, to isolate those you don't own and this way always release them under their original license without putting the rest of your work under the same licensing term.
Support means also hot-line and warranties. The "commercial release" will include them in your offer, and the "free release" will just have a disclaimer. Some people wants warranties, even if you swear your program is bugfree. These people will buy your stuff. "Service" dosn't mean you have to obfuscate on-line manuals and add bugs, just that your customer can ease his mind by thinking if your program crash his data, he can sue you.
But isn't XML slow ? There was remarks like these about microsoft's dotnet stuff, which also use an XML dialect for data transfers.
MS' dotnet isn't a protocol like HTTP or FTP or this BXXP, so maybe this comparison isn't justified, but, nonetheless, what can we expect about performance ?
Yes, sure, corporation is good, government is bad. Rightist WTO propaganda.
Rich multimedia experience is good (with my tiny modem, I sure love all those heavy pages, that take one hour to load). Dull text is information centered, light, quick to load and easy to adapt. Awful !
> The time for government control over the net has gone, and that can only be a good thing for all of us. Bwahahahahah! Bullshit. What control was there ? Control over domain name ? Is that a true control ? Why do you think corporation and marketing guys will want to act for the good of us all ?
> As part of this announcement, M$ also announced that their Office products would be provided on a "subscription" basis. This could be unbelieveably bad - if you fail to pay your subscription fees, you could find yourself locked out of your own documents. No corporation will be willing to put itself in the position of being held hostage to Redmond. That's not new. Reread this to verify it. For those who don't want to follow the link, it's the "Copyrant" YRO article. The idea is pretty much the same: having the customer paying insensibly, 24/7. The user must give his money without "feeling" he's loosing money. That was also all the hype for the neteconomy: you buy, you buy, you buy, you buy lots of useless piece of crap and you end up with an huge debt.
Merging Bonobo and KParts seems difficult: KDE use a shared library approach, whereas GNOME embed process. Bridges seems more creadible than merge.
Another solution could be to clone the QDataStream class (just this one) to have a non-Qt DCOP/KOM/KParts thing. With this "agnostic" class, the KDE way would no longer be dependant of Qt, this would allow to use CORBA where needed and the lightweightier KDE solution elsewhere, both in GNOME and KDE.
BeNews says that BeOS rocks. How strange. And on Windowsthingamajig, they says W2K beats everything. Sure yeah.
For example, I don't have seen mentionned what version of X-Free they use for their Linux test. If it's not the 4, Linux is screwed, because of OpenGL.
BBspot have an article about AMD's new processor: the Moron. And, btw, in french it's even uglier, as "Duron" is only one letter away of "Ducon", whiwch means, erm, something like "Dumbass".
HTML contain (nearly) no information about rendering. There are some FONT, *COLOR and other tags and attribute that allow to define how it must be rendered, but it's regarded as a very bad practice. Correct HTML should contain only information and meaning, letting DTD do the rendering, allowing a document to be rendered differently on different media. In fact, HTML is more like LaTeX than like DOC: it's a WYSIWYM approach.
DOC files, in contrario, are meant to be -supposedly- WYSIWYG.
That's why different browsers display web pages differently, but wordprocessor should display.doc files always in the same way.
> Office output is fully XML/XSL transform compliant - which is why Opera can handle it perfectly fine. AFAIK, they make their HTML file hard to retranslate in anything else. See here for further details.
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>You can't combine Open Source with selling the same product for thousands of dollars
And what about Redhat, Mandrake, SuSE or Corel distros ? They're selled in boxed, and they can also be fetched gratis. Distros are the best example free software can be selled. Just ship a manual along with the CDs in the box.
Imagine someone selling boxes with, for example, a Gimp CD and a prettifully printed book. It would be buyed.
If you don't believe me, look at the impressing number of 3D Studio or MS-Office books you can buy. People are not always willing to buy the software if it cost too much, but help and informations about how to use software is always appreciated.
Now, if you want to sell really expensive software, you must sell software destined to customers who can afford it, for example airport management software. And you'd better offer an impressive support and nearly perfect software quality.
Hello ? Is there something in your head or have you just happily swallowed all the France-bashing post here ? José Bové is as non-violent as Gandhi. See this, I'm getting tired of repeting it. No one get hurt.
See this. And now, I can reassure you, McDo havn't loss any of their precious penny here. It's their insurance company. Who's still pretty healthy and wealthy.
"->insert some random brainwashing ad from Microsoft here<-"
See "linuxonceleron", they are nice, hard-wroking people, not some big bad scary multinational corp, Microsoft is your friend, I'd advise you to have one of their great Windows Me OS today! We all know that since Microsoft is the most popular software publisher in the world, that they make the best software too.
There are hard working nice people at McDo ? that don't mean that McDo isn't a "big bad scary corp". That just means that McDo give hard work to nice people. Every corpo on the world employ nice, hard working people. There are sweet, cute and very brave little children working really hard for Nike. Nike is not a big bad corp, so, but brave little children working to give you your shoes.
This was sarcasm, in case you don't understood it. You sing the corpo's advertising like all well-reeducated mooing mass member.
And the majority wants WINDOWS ! And then along come some intellectual (RMS, ESR, etc) who think they know what people want, and what is best. But people know better. Windows is good for people. People want Windows. People want talking paperclip. People want AOL. People want to say "moo, mooooooh". People run in pack. People act like lemmings.
> The happy fat masses will always rule, because they are the majority.
"Democracy is the dictature of the mass over the minorities." That's why minorities and intellectual (yes, José Bové is an intellectual) must act spectacularly to get coverage for there thoughts and conditions. They can symbolically unconstruct an unfinished McDonald restaurant, for example.
You don't know him and you don't want to. His action is not caused by his pretented anger at not selling cheese. It was just a PR stuff, something to wake up the sleeping mass and get massive coverage to expose his idea. See here if you want more infos on this McDo's undoing.
Sidenote: the way you write "cranky French goat farmer" indicate that you consider "french" and "goat farmer" as as insulting as "cranky".
Yes, Bové is a tyrant: he prevented lots of dumb people to go eating in a not-opened restaurant! There was nonetheless lots of good food here: plastic tube, metal crap, and some tools. Just when there was something eatable in a McDo ! How sad.
Sarcasm aside, I hint you toward this for short explanation on what he really did.
Use your brain here, child: the aim was not to endanger McDonald (who don't get really hurt, this was unfinished, so there wasn't much work undone, and the insurance was here to refund its owner). The aim was to make a big PR operation. M. Bové earned this way much press coverage and much support from people everywhere on Earth - even from American farmer.
This post's parent would have been quickly scored at -1, Flamebait.
I quote: "this guy is largely full of shit": splendid example of how "orabidoo" conceive debating: mere insult.
"he would just like to replace Mickey Mouse with Asterix": totally stupid argument, and totally false either. José Bové is not against American Culture, and have never even talked about cartoons and comics. And, by the way, how could Mickey Mouse speak for us ?
"ust some local closed-mindedness": your utmost argument: if it's not american-born, it's local ; I fear you can't think another way. It's sad for you. José is surely less close-minded than you, at last he looks at the future and warn of the forthcoming threats.
Okay, if all "potential terrorism" were like that, the world would be a better place.
This was a symbolic act, without any violence, without death or injury. The McDo wasn't finished, so little has been lost for its owner (who get refund by his insurance).
If only all vandal and terrorist could act like José Bové, the world would be so more peaceful.
I mean, one of Troll Tech.
All you have to do is to release your software under two different license: one open, that benefit from the Open Source development model, and one closed, whose you sell license to those that want to create (or use) closed-source stuff. This way you can combine best of both worlds.
Note, however, that it's not possible if you use free software code that you don't own. You may need to workaround this by spliting your programs in different parts, to isolate those you don't own and this way always release them under their original license without putting the rest of your work under the same licensing term.
Support means also hot-line and warranties. The "commercial release" will include them in your offer, and the "free release" will just have a disclaimer. Some people wants warranties, even if you swear your program is bugfree. These people will buy your stuff. "Service" dosn't mean you have to obfuscate on-line manuals and add bugs, just that your customer can ease his mind by thinking if your program crash his data, he can sue you.
No, it will be BXXP.NET, it already use XML !
But isn't XML slow ? There was remarks like these about microsoft's dotnet stuff, which also use an XML dialect for data transfers.
MS' dotnet isn't a protocol like HTTP or FTP or this BXXP, so maybe this comparison isn't justified, but, nonetheless, what can we expect about performance ?
Domain name mil, edu and gov have always been supposedly restricted for the exclusive use of USAn organization. Cf this.
You can notice that the three counter-example you give me are canadian. An ICANN guy may have estimed that Canada was sortof part of the USA.
I dare you to find any south-american, african, european, asian, oceanian or antartican (?) counter example.
It's an idea. You give your own site your telephone numbers as domain name. Funny. Useful if the name you was wanting is already taken.
> Almost any educational institution could get an .edu .edu
Almost any USAn educational instituation could get an
Yes, sure, corporation is good, government is bad. Rightist WTO propaganda.
Rich multimedia experience is good (with my tiny modem, I sure love all those heavy pages, that take one hour to load). Dull text is information centered, light, quick to load and easy to adapt. Awful !
> The time for government control over the net has gone, and that can only be a good thing for all of us.
Bwahahahahah! Bullshit. What control was there ? Control over domain name ? Is that a true control ?
Why do you think corporation and marketing guys will want to act for the good of us all ?
> As part of this announcement, M$ also announced that their Office products would be provided on a "subscription" basis. This could be unbelieveably bad - if you fail to pay your subscription fees, you could find yourself locked out of your own documents. No corporation will be willing to put itself in the position of being held hostage to Redmond.
That's not new. Reread this to verify it. For those who don't want to follow the link, it's the "Copyrant" YRO article.
The idea is pretty much the same: having the customer paying insensibly, 24/7. The user must give his money without "feeling" he's loosing money. That was also all the hype for the neteconomy: you buy, you buy, you buy, you buy lots of useless piece of crap and you end up with an huge debt.
I've wrotten an article critic about this.
No, this is not off-topic, this is just not in english.
The adress is here: http://mail.gnome.org/pipermail/gno me-kde-list/.
Merging Bonobo and KParts seems difficult: KDE use a shared library approach, whereas GNOME embed process. Bridges seems more creadible than merge.
Another solution could be to clone the QDataStream class (just this one) to have a non-Qt DCOP/KOM/KParts thing. With this "agnostic" class, the KDE way would no longer be dependant of Qt, this would allow to use CORBA where needed and the lightweightier KDE solution elsewhere, both in GNOME and KDE.
BeNews says that BeOS rocks. How strange. And on Windowsthingamajig, they says W2K beats everything. Sure yeah.
For example, I don't have seen mentionned what version of X-Free they use for their Linux test. If it's not the 4, Linux is screwed, because of OpenGL.
BBspot have an article about AMD's new processor: the Moron. And, btw, in french it's even uglier, as "Duron" is only one letter away of "Ducon", whiwch means, erm, something like "Dumbass".
HTML contain (nearly) no information about rendering. There are some FONT, *COLOR and other tags and attribute that allow to define how it must be rendered, but it's regarded as a very bad practice. Correct HTML should contain only information and meaning, letting DTD do the rendering, allowing a document to be rendered differently on different media.
In fact, HTML is more like LaTeX than like DOC: it's a WYSIWYM approach.
DOC files, in contrario, are meant to be -supposedly- WYSIWYG.
That's why different browsers display web pages differently, but wordprocessor should display .doc files always in the same way.
> Office output is fully XML/XSL transform compliant - which is why Opera can handle it perfectly fine.
AFAIK, they make their HTML file hard to retranslate in anything else. See here for further details.