That would Grand Frère. And it is not seen as something good.
In France, there is less distrust in (and more reliance upon) the government. Yes. But there is less reliance upon (and more distrust in) private corporations.
That sounds communist for the average troll, but you should keep in mind some basic things.
In the French vision, the government is made by the people, for the people, and takes its decision in the better interest of the people.
When a government fails, it is disposed, violently if needs be (everyone have heard, at least, of the French Revolution ?). We're actually in our 5th republic, and the topic of a 6th one comes regularly.
But, in the French vision of how things are, a private corporation is made by people who don't give a fuck about other people, wildlife, public health, employment rate, or anything; except the money they earn.
Because earning money is the definition and meaning of life of a private corporation, not ethics, civil rights, or any other things like that.
People in the US is suspicious of big government databases. People in France is suspicious about big corporate databases. And, actually, I havn't heard of things like the CNIL (Commission Nationale Informatique et Liberté) who watch and prevents privacy abuses from government and pricate organizations alike.
Reading Slashdot, I often get the feeling that people from the US sees governments as a necessary evil, trying to oppress and spy upon the citizens, whereas pricate corporations are utopian-minded selfless organizations promoting freedom, civil rights, respect for life, human rights, and environment.
Although it would be naive to say I believe in the reverse, I sure trust less corporations than government. At least, the government is legitimized in its position by the constitution, and has clear duties it needs to respect.
Actually, it wasn't the French gov't, but 3 french association (one jewish and two antiracism association IIRC, but maybe 2 jew and 1 antiracism).
That ain't because it comes from France that it has been made by the French government, you know. We're less communist than the professional trollers think.
A vow of chastity, a dogma of usefulness and junklessness for website. No banner-ads, no crappy script code, no <font> tag (whose only purpose is to multiply the file size by 10 and make the fonts so tiny I need to scratch my nose on my screen to read them), no to make identations, no...
I've never seen a page from a professional site that validate as HTML 4.01 transitionnal. Because professional site always use WYGIWYG (no typos: what you get is what you get) editors who systematically bloat the page with bullshit.
A dogma of standard-compliance, code optimization and user's preferences respect (no crappy <font> tags that override them) will be really needed.
I know, it's harder to write Perl/PHP/Java/Whatever code that output correct valid code than crappy silly code, but it's possible andworth the trouble.
> But I've often wondered about this: if we have super-cool super-hero Captain America, does Lithuania have Captain Lithuania? And more importantly, does France have Captain France? Would Captain France wear some black & white striped shirt & an aerodynamic beret? Would his main weapon be a day old baguette?
Yes, we have SuperDupont. I don't know exactly who is Captain America, and what is the mood of his adventure, but SuperDupont is (was, it's now old) a funny read. Ironic, caricatural and wholly stupid.
Well, it will just make cheating easier. The one who win will be the one who give Microsoft the biggest bucks. Eventually, the whole democratic system will be reimplaced by an auction stuff. There will be a private company who will deliver the presidence to the most generous candidate, and who will deliver its benefits to its shareholders. Something really transparent, indeed.
> If I buy a DVD then I have bought the right to play that DVD for my own entertainment.
Yes. That's why this bill don't want to outlaw people watching their DVD, but people selling DVD. RTFA.
Now, if you buy a DVD from a foreign seller, there is an applicability issue. The best way to deal with this problem is to let the fan getting is dose. Buying a DVD from another wountry include large expedition fees... Together with the insecureness reputation of e-commerce... There won't be many people.
Thank you for telling me I am to arrogant to call a Big Mac a Big Mac. I've been a little surprised at this assumption. But you were right. I just call it a big mac, not a Big Mac. Common words don't have big initials. Not only I, but also all other people in french. In you go in one of your beloved McDonald in France, you will find Big Mac on your menu. (They put initials, because commercials just loves initials.)
Nonetheless, where is the shame in creating new words, or transforming them to match the sounding of the importing tongue ? Does I taunt german for writing "cousine" "kusine" ? Does I insult english for having transformed "tonnelle" to "tunnel", "déjà vu" to "deja vu" or "coup de grâce" to coup de grace" ?
No. Is this arrogance to change the graphy of a word when adopting it ? If you think so, please acknowledge the fact englophone are as much arrogant as francophone. Thanks.
> It's funny how the French have these rabid emotions against anything German
Don't generalize. German has an undeserved reputation as a barbarian language, but people having practiced it (I, for example) knows it's false. Just don't pay attention to such a idiot, I don't even understand he did get an "insightful" moderation.
> A lot of people might say that under voluntary situtations, but when a Frenchman points that out, you simply have to shoot him down. I wouldn't have to carry quite so many rain coats when visiting France if the expressiveness of the French languages produced a bit less flying saliva, thanks. If it were a bit MORE expressive, on the other hand, business lunches might not need to extend to 4pm or so. Check the instruction booklets with the average product and see how many more pages the French section takes than the English, that should shoot the notion of French expressiveness down in a jiffy.
Please also avoid the language flamewar. French isn't a good language for technical matter, nor for business. It is, however, perfect for arts and diplomacy. Not a wonder it's no more the lingua franca, what is more important todays ? Business and technology, or art and diplomacy ?
And your point about saliva is stupid. Throwing saliva is a matter of lack of education, not of language spoken.
Football (or soccer, or whatever) has never interested me, so I just skip this part.
> Funny you should mention him, considering he's about as French as Victor Hugo, whom I'm sure you also consider part of the great French literature.
Yes. Hugo, and Zola, and Balzac, and others. A writer who live in France, write in french, and had obtained french nationality is a french writer in my view of the world. Similarly, a french writer moving to USA, adopting USAn nationality and writing in english is an american writer.
I consider someone is of the nationality he choose to be. The world would be a better place if more people were thinking like me about this.
Just a little note: this bill is NOT aimed at preventing stupid Hollywood movies to invade France. Nope.
The goal is to prevent consumers from buying DVD to watch these movies at home, and thus push them to go to cinemas.
This said, I don't particularly agree with this thing. In fact, I dislike this whole zone thingy.
As always, on Slashdot, people are more concerned in trolling than in actual analysis...
You americans always amuse me with your prejudice about France. Really funny how you see us. Really false also, but that's why it's funny.
Please all have one minute of ping in his honor: ping -c 60 ftp.arl.mil
That's so strange to look at http://ftp.arl.mil/~mike/ and thinks this guy talking to you, and giving you a mailto: link is dead. It's like if there was a ghost speaking to you.
What happens to dead's homepage ? Do someone close them ? Or do they stand, like a simulacrum of eternity ?
Internet is something too young to be accustomed to death
>To put it another way: It's the page designer's fault for creating overly complex pages.
That's not so simple. Most of times, stupid HTML code is created by WYSIWYG editor, the worst of all being Word (go look at the source code of this example site, if you dare). For a truly better HTML, we need to force the include of a low-speed connection emulator in all HTML editor like Frontpage or Dreamweaver. It would be a very simple navigator, strictly conforming to the standard, and loading the page in memory at about 1.5 kilobyte per seconds. With sometimes random stalled waitings, and, once it's finished loading, it would also output a list of errors like those produced by the official validator. I think the world will be brighter with that.
For those of you able to read French, I wrote a year ago a Strict Code of Internet Ethic who ban unecessary use of images, cookies, applets, etc; and which insist on the necessity to conform to HTML standards. Yeah, except the title, it's in French, not in English.
Why understanding an article when you can try a troll or a jokes ?
If you did read the letter, the KDE League, wherever its secret base is located, is aiming to convert Windows users, not fighting GNOME.
In my opinion, I think this decision aim at selling certificate to software developers. You want to code ? Right, please buy a license of Microsoft Visual Studio. If you want to distribute your software, make sure to have it pass our Microsoft Certification. It's a very minor cost, something like $199 for test-based certification and $499 for automatic certification. You can also buy a perpetual certification for all software made by your studio, it will cost you $24900 a year.
>I suspect they won't take it any further than flagging unsigned code as potentially dangerous
Considering the amount of bugs in common bloatware like Office, I don't think signed code will be less dangerous. Except if they don't sign their own products.
Oh, dangerousness refer to viral risks, not bugs ? Well, I hope they won't sign Outlook nor its Express version. Melissa or ILoveYou, you remember ?
Microsoft will be entitled to refuse to sign software made by concurrent, thus forcing all program running on a Microsoft Machine to be Microsoft made, or Microsoft approved. Approval could cost big bucks: another revenue source adding to the sale of API licensing. And, all those so-called shareware/freeware/amateur/Free Software developers will be screwed.
Join Microsoft or Die, 'cause nothing else can run !
No, really, I must admit it's a grand idea. So sorry there are other OSes that won't have such a nice feature. Microsoft should hire Alan Cox to write a kernel patch for Linux to run only Microsoft binaries (through Wine).
The other great part in this wonderful idea is that with such things Microsoft will end-up totally discredited. First, the "all your datas will be on our HD" thing (.NET), then the "you won't be able to run homemade programs". From where does this corpse reeling coming ? Isn't it from Redmond ?
Who could want to go anywhere with Microsoft today ?
>Any drive in which the heads physically come in contact with the storage media is prone to failure.
You should have worded it like the Godwin's law: As a drive's use grow longer, the probability of a failure approach one if there is physical contacts between heads and the storage media. Any failure will cause the datas stored on the drive to be lost.
They can't. To apply, this ruling (not sure it's really the correct word) must be approved by a USAn juge. If this ruling finally apply, you will be able to criticize your own juge's stupidity. After all, they demonstrated all their skills in this matter in the DVD/DeCSS stuff.
>The French law that prohibits selling those items really says "well, collaboration with Nazism was an embarrassing thing in France, so let's pretend it never existed, OK?"
Except this law was voted in 1937. Two years before WW2.
I know that there's a long love-hate relation between France and USA, which is only a continuation of the love-hate relation between France and England; but it's not a reason to transform facts for the sheer joy of insulting.
Well, if you want to discuss about stupid intelligence (isn't it funny ?), we can talk about CIA putting Pinochet to avoid a (legally elected) communist presidence in south america. Or about CIA financiating pakistanish Talibans. Or trying to put back the dictatorial Shah in Iran, only strengthening the islamical revolution in doing so because he was really despised. Or about bringing Mobutu in Congo/Zaire, only to get pissed when this despot finally prefered france. Or... You get the point ?
>It kind of makes sense [...] Now imagine if our country had been taken over by Hitler about 50 years ago; I think the government wouldn't be too fond of Nazi memorabilia.
In fact, this law isn't a follow-up of WW2. It has been voted in 1937, after a failed coup d'état by fascist leagues, to prevent fascist and nazi propaganda.
For french speaking people out there, you could look at what we think of it here, on a french Slashdot-like forum. The main feeling is that this ruling is stupid.
>the software is free, and no benefit is directly conferred
Free-beer vs free-speech. English is a merchant's language, so words with a meaning as strong as freedom have also a monetary meaning, but "Free software is about freedom".
Try to reason with French or German words: libre != gratuit frei != kostenlos
As Free Software ("Logiciel Libre", not "costless software") can be buyed, it can be taxed.
>similarly Windows is in many ways more valuable than Linux (from a management perspective; in addition, the product is more advanced too - IIS, for example, since it is integrated into the NT kernel, is faster than Apache).
Is that a troll ? Well, I hadn't benchmarked myself, so I can't tell if Apache is really slowest than IIS, but one thing is sure: IIS is more buggy, and a too tight integration into a kernel of such a buggy thing is a sure way to crash the whole system frequently.
>20000000 = appr. radius of Earth in feet
What a gore ! 20 000 000 severed feet scatered across our planet's radius !
Or are you talking of these medieval units that cause NASA probes to crash on Mars ?
>Like arrogantly granting forgiveness for using code that they, in fact, did not use?
Worse than that. Like arrogantly telling the KDE team to beg forgiveness for using two miserable old bit of code present in a secondary program (kmidi, IIRC).
>Well, since the FSF doesn't recognize Qt as free software Qt is free software in the eyes of the FSF since the QPL (Qt 2.0.0). I can prove it by providing this link. Texto: "This is a non-copyleft free software license which is incompatible with the GNU GPL." This means:
Qt is free software; and
Compatibility with GPL is not derogatory for a Free Software License.
And furthermore Qt is available on a closed-source license for proprietary development, QPL and GPL, at the most convenient option, for open-source development.
>then it could be argued that Kylix no longer depends on Qt "Kylix" does depends on Qt. Borland announced that Kylix will support GNOME, not that Kylix will be recoded from scratch to be GNOME-based.
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That would Grand Frère. And it is not seen as something good.
In France, there is less distrust in (and more reliance upon) the government. Yes. But there is less reliance upon (and more distrust in) private corporations.
That sounds communist for the average troll, but you should keep in mind some basic things.
In the French vision, the government is made by the people, for the people, and takes its decision in the better interest of the people.
When a government fails, it is disposed, violently if needs be (everyone have heard, at least, of the French Revolution ?). We're actually in our 5th republic, and the topic of a 6th one comes regularly.
But, in the French vision of how things are, a private corporation is made by people who don't give a fuck about other people, wildlife, public health, employment rate, or anything; except the money they earn.
Because earning money is the definition and meaning of life of a private corporation, not ethics, civil rights, or any other things like that.
People in the US is suspicious of big government databases. People in France is suspicious about big corporate databases. And, actually, I havn't heard of things like the CNIL (Commission Nationale Informatique et Liberté) who watch and prevents privacy abuses from government and pricate organizations alike.
Reading Slashdot, I often get the feeling that people from the US sees governments as a necessary evil, trying to oppress and spy upon the citizens, whereas pricate corporations are utopian-minded selfless organizations promoting freedom, civil rights, respect for life, human rights, and environment.
Although it would be naive to say I believe in the reverse, I sure trust less corporations than government. At least, the government is legitimized in its position by the constitution, and has clear duties it needs to respect.
Actually, it wasn't the French gov't, but 3 french association (one jewish and two antiracism association IIRC, but maybe 2 jew and 1 antiracism).
That ain't because it comes from France that it has been made by the French government, you know. We're less communist than the professional trollers think.
A vow of chastity, a dogma of usefulness and junklessness for website. No banner-ads, no crappy script code, no <font> tag (whose only purpose is to multiply the file size by 10 and make the fonts so tiny I need to scratch my nose on my screen to read them), no to make identations, no...
I've never seen a page from a professional site that validate as HTML 4.01 transitionnal. Because professional site always use WYGIWYG (no typos: what you get is what you get) editors who systematically bloat the page with bullshit.
A dogma of standard-compliance, code optimization and user's preferences respect (no crappy <font> tags that override them) will be really needed.
I know, it's harder to write Perl/PHP/Java/Whatever code that output correct valid code than crappy silly code, but it's possible andworth the trouble.
> But I've often wondered about this: if we have super-cool super-hero Captain America, does Lithuania have Captain Lithuania? And more importantly, does France have Captain France? Would Captain France wear some black & white striped shirt & an aerodynamic beret? Would his main weapon be a day old baguette?
Yes, we have SuperDupont. I don't know exactly who is Captain America, and what is the mood of his adventure, but SuperDupont is (was, it's now old) a funny read. Ironic, caricatural and wholly stupid.
Well, it will just make cheating easier. The one who win will be the one who give Microsoft the biggest bucks. Eventually, the whole democratic system will be reimplaced by an auction stuff. There will be a private company who will deliver the presidence to the most generous candidate, and who will deliver its benefits to its shareholders. Something really transparent, indeed.
> If I buy a DVD then I have bought the right to play that DVD for my own entertainment.
Yes. That's why this bill don't want to outlaw people watching their DVD, but people selling DVD. RTFA.
Now, if you buy a DVD from a foreign seller, there is an applicability issue. The best way to deal with this problem is to let the fan getting is dose. Buying a DVD from another wountry include large expedition fees... Together with the insecureness reputation of e-commerce... There won't be many people.
But now, I found this whole zone thing stupid.
Thank you for telling me I am to arrogant to call a Big Mac a Big Mac. I've been a little surprised at this assumption. But you were right. I just call it a big mac, not a Big Mac. Common words don't have big initials. Not only I, but also all other people in french. In you go in one of your beloved McDonald in France, you will find Big Mac on your menu. (They put initials, because commercials just loves initials.)
Nonetheless, where is the shame in creating new words, or transforming them to match the sounding of the importing tongue ? Does I taunt german for writing "cousine" "kusine" ? Does I insult english for having transformed "tonnelle" to "tunnel", "déjà vu" to "deja vu" or "coup de grâce" to coup de grace" ?
No. Is this arrogance to change the graphy of a word when adopting it ? If you think so, please acknowledge the fact englophone are as much arrogant as francophone. Thanks.
> It's funny how the French have these rabid emotions against anything German
Don't generalize. German has an undeserved reputation as a barbarian language, but people having practiced it (I, for example) knows it's false. Just don't pay attention to such a idiot, I don't even understand he did get an "insightful" moderation.
> A lot of people might say that under voluntary situtations, but when a Frenchman points that out, you simply have to shoot him down. I wouldn't have to carry quite so many rain coats when visiting France if the expressiveness of the French languages produced a bit less flying saliva, thanks. If it were a bit MORE expressive, on the other hand, business lunches might not need to extend to 4pm or so. Check the instruction booklets with the average product and see how many more pages the French section takes than the English, that should shoot the notion of French expressiveness down in a jiffy.
Please also avoid the language flamewar. French isn't a good language for technical matter, nor for business. It is, however, perfect for arts and diplomacy. Not a wonder it's no more the lingua franca, what is more important todays ? Business and technology, or art and diplomacy ?
And your point about saliva is stupid. Throwing saliva is a matter of lack of education, not of language spoken.
Football (or soccer, or whatever) has never interested me, so I just skip this part.
> Funny you should mention him, considering he's about as French as Victor Hugo, whom I'm sure you also consider part of the great French literature.
Yes. Hugo, and Zola, and Balzac, and others. A writer who live in France, write in french, and had obtained french nationality is a french writer in my view of the world. Similarly, a french writer moving to USA, adopting USAn nationality and writing in english is an american writer.
I consider someone is of the nationality he choose to be. The world would be a better place if more people were thinking like me about this.
Just a little note: this bill is NOT aimed at preventing stupid Hollywood movies to invade France. Nope.
The goal is to prevent consumers from buying DVD to watch these movies at home, and thus push them to go to cinemas.
This said, I don't particularly agree with this thing. In fact, I dislike this whole zone thingy.
As always, on Slashdot, people are more concerned in trolling than in actual analysis...
You americans always amuse me with your prejudice about France. Really funny how you see us. Really false also, but that's why it's funny.
Please all have one minute of ping in his honor:
ping -c 60 ftp.arl.mil
That's so strange to look at http://ftp.arl.mil/~mike/ and thinks this guy talking to you, and giving you a mailto: link is dead. It's like if there was a ghost speaking to you.
What happens to dead's homepage ? Do someone close them ? Or do they stand, like a simulacrum of eternity ?
Internet is something too young to be accustomed to death
It's a sad news.
>To put it another way: It's the page designer's fault for creating overly complex pages.
That's not so simple. Most of times, stupid HTML code is created by WYSIWYG editor, the worst of all being Word (go look at the source code of this example site, if you dare). For a truly better HTML, we need to force the include of a low-speed connection emulator in all HTML editor like Frontpage or Dreamweaver. It would be a very simple navigator, strictly conforming to the standard, and loading the page in memory at about 1.5 kilobyte per seconds. With sometimes random stalled waitings, and, once it's finished loading, it would also output a list of errors like those produced by the official validator. I think the world will be brighter with that.
For those of you able to read French, I wrote a year ago a Strict Code of Internet Ethic who ban unecessary use of images, cookies, applets, etc; and which insist on the necessity to conform to HTML standards. Yeah, except the title, it's in French, not in English.
Why understanding an article when you can try a troll or a jokes ?
If you did read the letter, the KDE League, wherever its secret base is located, is aiming to convert Windows users, not fighting GNOME.
In my opinion, I think this decision aim at selling certificate to software developers. You want to code ? Right, please buy a license of Microsoft Visual Studio. If you want to distribute your software, make sure to have it pass our Microsoft Certification. It's a very minor cost, something like $199 for test-based certification and $499 for automatic certification. You can also buy a perpetual certification for all software made by your studio, it will cost you $24900 a year.
>I suspect they won't take it any further than flagging unsigned code as potentially dangerous
Considering the amount of bugs in common bloatware like Office, I don't think signed code will be less dangerous. Except if they don't sign their own products.
Oh, dangerousness refer to viral risks, not bugs ? Well, I hope they won't sign Outlook nor its Express version. Melissa or ILoveYou, you remember ?
Microsoft will be entitled to refuse to sign software made by concurrent, thus forcing all program running on a Microsoft Machine to be Microsoft made, or Microsoft approved. Approval could cost big bucks: another revenue source adding to the sale of API licensing. And, all those so-called shareware/freeware/amateur/Free Software developers will be screwed.
Join Microsoft or Die, 'cause nothing else can run !
No, really, I must admit it's a grand idea. So sorry there are other OSes that won't have such a nice feature. Microsoft should hire Alan Cox to write a kernel patch for Linux to run only Microsoft binaries (through Wine).
The other great part in this wonderful idea is that with such things Microsoft will end-up totally discredited. First, the "all your datas will be on our HD" thing (.NET), then the "you won't be able to run homemade programs". From where does this corpse reeling coming ? Isn't it from Redmond ?
Who could want to go anywhere with Microsoft today ?
>Any drive in which the heads physically come in contact with the storage media is prone to failure.
You should have worded it like the Godwin's law: As a drive's use grow longer, the probability of a failure approach one if there is physical contacts between heads and the storage media. Any failure will cause the datas stored on the drive to be lost.
They can't. To apply, this ruling (not sure it's really the correct word) must be approved by a USAn juge. If this ruling finally apply, you will be able to criticize your own juge's stupidity. After all, they demonstrated all their skills in this matter in the DVD/DeCSS stuff.
>The French law that prohibits selling those items really says "well, collaboration with Nazism was an embarrassing thing in France, so let's pretend it never existed, OK?"
Except this law was voted in 1937. Two years before WW2.
I know that there's a long love-hate relation between France and USA, which is only a continuation of the love-hate relation between France and England; but it's not a reason to transform facts for the sheer joy of insulting.
Well, if you want to discuss about stupid intelligence (isn't it funny ?), we can talk about CIA putting Pinochet to avoid a (legally elected) communist presidence in south america. Or about CIA financiating pakistanish Talibans. Or trying to put back the dictatorial Shah in Iran, only strengthening the islamical revolution in doing so because he was really despised. Or about bringing Mobutu in Congo/Zaire, only to get pissed when this despot finally prefered france. Or... You get the point ?
>It kind of makes sense [...] Now imagine if our country had been taken over by Hitler about 50 years ago; I think the government wouldn't be too fond of Nazi memorabilia.
In fact, this law isn't a follow-up of WW2. It has been voted in 1937, after a failed coup d'état by fascist leagues, to prevent fascist and nazi propaganda.
For french speaking people out there, you could look at what we think of it here, on a french Slashdot-like forum. The main feeling is that this ruling is stupid.
>the software is free, and no benefit is directly conferred .
Free-beer vs free-speech. English is a merchant's language, so words with a meaning as strong as freedom have also a monetary meaning, but "Free software is about freedom"
Try to reason with French or German words:
libre != gratuit
frei != kostenlos
As Free Software ("Logiciel Libre", not "costless software") can be buyed, it can be taxed.
>similarly Windows is in many ways more valuable than Linux (from a management perspective; in addition, the product is more advanced too - IIS, for example, since it is integrated into the NT kernel, is faster than Apache).
Is that a troll ? Well, I hadn't benchmarked myself, so I can't tell if Apache is really slowest than IIS, but one thing is sure: IIS is more buggy, and a too tight integration into a kernel of such a buggy thing is a sure way to crash the whole system frequently.
>20000000 = appr. radius of Earth in feet
What a gore ! 20 000 000 severed feet scatered across our planet's radius !
Or are you talking of these medieval units that cause NASA probes to crash on Mars ?
>Is it just me, or should they be supporting GNU/Hurd instead of GNU/Linux, given that Stallman won't accept Linux as the GNU OS? ;o)
That's just you
Hey, if people were to use only things accepted by this old grump, the typical linux distros would take only one single-density floppy ;-)
>Like arrogantly granting forgiveness for using code that they, in fact, did not use?
Worse than that. Like arrogantly telling the KDE team to beg forgiveness for using two miserable old bit of code present in a secondary program (kmidi, IIRC).
>Well, since the FSF doesn't recognize Qt as free software
Qt is free software in the eyes of the FSF since the QPL (Qt 2.0.0). I can prove it by providing this link. Texto: "This is a non-copyleft free software license which is incompatible with the GNU GPL." This means:
And furthermore Qt is available on a closed-source license for proprietary development, QPL and GPL, at the most convenient option, for open-source development.
>then it could be argued that Kylix no longer depends on Qt
"Kylix" does depends on Qt. Borland announced that Kylix will support GNOME, not that Kylix will be recoded from scratch to be GNOME-based.