Except if the genes are already "discovered" by nature, which I read some story about bred pigs from a farm which had a gene from the breeding but Monsato patented the gene. The story is here http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2480
Take patent application WO 2005/017204. This refers to pigs in which a certain gene sequence related to faster growth is detected. This is a variation on a natural occurring sequence -- Monsanto didn't invent it. It was first identified in mice and humans.
Than of course are the patent infringement issues if the neighbor of a farm using Monsanto's patented seeds and some seed are landing on his farm by wind. You can't tell the difference until you send the genome to a laboratory to test, and until then you are selling Monsanto's "intellectual property".
Just migrate to Linux and you have two choices. Number one is to run IE6 in Wine, there is a script with lets you install IE6, IE5 and IE5.5 on linux. The number two is to run Windows XP in VirtualBox (or any other virtual machine software), with the advantage of a secure and update system guarding the outdated and unsupported Windows XP. Since your web app should only need IE6 the switch to Linux should be very easy.
I was thinking that as well. It would be great if the companies in the USA just continue to sue each other to the point where all development in the USA would be on hold. But the problem is that the USA try to impose the same crazy rules on the rest of the world.
Would also be great if China, Europe, India just stop export devices to the USA because of the patent situation. Maybe in 50 years the markets for China and India alone would be enough to just ignore the USA.
Bing's map should use Openstreetmap, because the free service is way better then the map from MS. And the 3D/Birds eye view is not supported in FF anyway. It's really beta anyway, because I just typed in "New York" and it shows me an empty page. If I click on the orange search button the map flashes for one second but then I see the empty page again.
"We welcome initiatives from member states to increase the availability of music online at a lower price for consumers and through legal distribution channels. Music online is certainly a driver for the success of the Internet and for economic development," said Almunia.
You know what will do that, without any extra money from the people? Just put copyright back to sane terms or abolish it altogether. Stop criminalizing a whole generation of people and stop cutting families off the internet based on accusations only.
Please compare Eclipse with the same level of application. How long does it take to start up Visual Studio on the same computer?
True, there is some overhead to start up a Java application because you need to load the whole JVM and the whole of Java SDK into memory even if the application itself just needs some core classes. That is no different from any QT application which needs first to load the QT libraries into memory, which are the same size as the Java libraries.
I don't know how much of OO is still built on java, but getting rid of this layer and re-writing EVERYTHING in some good HL language (C, C++, etc) would help with the speed issue. I'm guessing that the Java runtime layer is taking a godawfull time to initialize and suck up all the resources it needs. Finally there is support.
That is so much BS. First, OO.org is not written in Java, Java is only used to connect to a database and for some plugins. Seconds, I am using Java applications all the time, like Eclipse and Visual Paradigm and I couldn't care less if Firefox were written in Java, because startup and speed of Firefox is the same as all other Java applications I ever had. Try using Lotus Symphony with is 100% Java, it is the same speed as OO.org in startup and usage. DBGL (dosbox game launcher) is another Java application and it runs fast as well.
I'm sorry but that a Java application is always slower than a C/C++ application is so much BF I could vomit. That is just not true anymore and this myth is based on the very early JavaVM. You can also try a 3D Engine in Java http://jmonkeyengine.org/groups/tag/projects and see for yourself how "slow" the 3D applications and games are.
Google never claimed to make a Java for Android. You will see no Java in Android, no advertising about Java in Android and nothing similar. What Google did was to build a VM and use the Java syntax for the language.
Google is only guilty of re-using the Java developers and the Java tools like Eclipse. Oracle sued Google over specific technologies in a VM, it doesn't sued over trademark.
I guess they are just going to have a contract with Microsoft. It will deliver them Windows CE in a new India look.
Seriously, how long it will take and how much do they think in will cost to create not only a full operation system from scratch but add the whole Windows API to it? If they are going do proprietary they can't re-use any code from Linux, Wine or GNU. The Linux kernel (Fedora 9, linux-2.6.25.i686) costs about $1,372,340,206 to develop. Now if you only going to develop 10% of it, it will still cost you 137 million dollars. Add to it the costs for proprietary code (bought code or self developed code, like the compilers, development tools, a window manager) and the Windows API layer.
Maybe the developers are way cheaper than in the USA/Europe but with the costs are going to be at least 200 million dollars. For another invented wheel with the same bugs and security holes like linux 1.0.
You are somewhat right, but I think there are people that really appreciate that you can download the whole of Debian as CDs/DVDs. The 31 CDs are the whole packages for Debian, if you don't have a fast connection in your home you can download them in a internet coffee/university and install them. Very useful for at least 95% of the people out there.
Is my English so bad? I'm sorry I'm German. I thought I made it pretty clear, that I want to abolish copyright and to weaken patent protections (or to abolish them in some places).
[About the abolishing of copyright and patents] That is not good solution, and probably bad in the long term,
And I ask you, why it's a bad solution and why it's bad in the long term?
I'm not for abolishing every regulation, I think we need regulation but we need regulation that is actually have any proof that it's doing what it's suppose for. For example, environment regulations are doing what they are suppose for and there is proof that they are effective.
But there is no prove at all about copyrights and patents. Everybody just assumes that we need copyright law and patent protection, but there is no prove in it. That is the same as the mantras I have given.
My proof is history. Compare the book markets in England and in Germany, after the first copyright law. Germany was 127 years copyright free, after the first copyright law in England.
Maybe they will find a way to screw around, but how much more are you going to take with the current laws? We have a copyright of over 100 years, you are forbidden to make personal copies, you are forbidden to share works with your friends and family, you are forbidden to buy DVDs in other countries and play it in your home. You a forced to use only authorized hardware to play your media. Your ISP is going to monitor the sites your visit and any of the big publisher can put you offline at any time which no reason or proof. We are threatened with FBI warnings and our political leaders are crafting a world wide secrete contract that will break a lot of regional laws about copyright exceptions, private use and privacy.
How much more abuse will you take? Right now I'm talking only about private use of works and not the madness that are authors and musicians are going through.
Try to defend yourself with one measly patent against a multi-billion dollar corporation. This goes well for i4i right now with Microsoft. Yes, they won, but how long does it took and have Microsoft actually paid anything yet? No they didn't, Microsoft just go one instance higher after another, and now Microsoft have actually a good chance of invalidate i4i patents all together.
Why is it not a good solution, why should it be bad for the long term? Do you have any rationale in this backed up by any evidence?
No you don't. You just repeat the mantra like a priest. It's the same mantra as "the free market will solve it all" and "privatization is good for every good and service".
There are a lot of examples where patents are just harmful, in the pharmacy, in the genetic research, in business methods and software. Or patents that a stopping innovation, like patents on the steam engine, patents on touch and multi-touch screens.
The same for copyright. In the time Germany doesn't had any copyright for books the market was full of cheap books to read and the authors had more money from their work. After copyright law was introduced in Germany, the amount of books dropped, the prices increased and the authors became less money from their publishers.
Just look at the British book market after the first copyright law. The books were luxury items only a few could afford them. There were only a few rich authors, the big rest of them just starved.
There is no protection for little inventor and artist anymore. The little artists need to sight their copyright away if they sigh contracts with the big publishers, for music and for books. The inventors can't afford the lawyers and the fees for patent protection for the whole world.
All this money and time wasted in the courts could be used to make better products and improve innovation. How are patents are suppose to promote the progress of useful arts again? We should just change the text to "to promote the progress of lawyers".
In a Linux server you have the ability to turn GUI on and off, as you wish. All services are running and can be configured by CLI anyway.
512 MB RAM as the minimum requirements is a lot for a bunch of services. How much do you waste it for a GUI that you almost never see?
And, as I said, it's not only the resources, but the security threats. A GUI have a few millions SLOC more then just a command line. There are some like about 15 - 50 errors per 1000 lines of [...] code. And if you run/configure services with it some of it have to be running as root/Administrator rights, which increases the threats dramatically.
And the huge amount of spam and bot nets reflects that. That they don't need to know what they are doing, it's all nice pretty GUI and they are paying a few $ to MacAfee or Symantec. No wonder the anti virus companies can afford the biggest buildings in the city.
Why should you? Under Linux you never have to change the PATH. The applications will be installed in pre-defined directories and the path is already set. It's only in Windows where you just install applications in random places and need to change the PATH in this horrible small dialog, plus you need to restart Windows to make it work.
In Linux it's just works, but if you really need to change the path you should be knowing what you do.
Why Windows servers have a GUI is beyond me anyway. The servers are running 99,99% of the time without a monitor and normally you just login per ssh to a console if you need to administer them. But they are consuming the extra RAM, the extra CPU cycles and the extra security threats.
I don't now, but can you de-install the GUI from a Windows server? Or better, do you have an option for no-GUI installation? Just saw the minimum hardware requirements. 512 MB RAM and 32 GB or greater disk space. My server runs with 260 MB RAM and 2.1 GB disk space, and I have Php, Apache, MySQL, Redmine, Rails, ISPConfig, Tomcat6 installed. Really, 512 MB RAM and 32 GB or greater disk space as a minimum requirement? I guess there is already ASP.NET, IIS, MSSQL installed, plus a few tools like remote desktop. But really, 512 MB RAM and 32 GB? My whole server takes just 7% of the minimum requirements of MS Server 2008.
Copyright was perfectly fine because it only lived in the commercial world. You could make copies to your friends, nobody cared, but as soon as you make a business out of it you were sued. This changed now with digital works. Everything, from the TV, to CD player, to mp3 player, to computer makes copies and now the right holders are thinking that they have a need to restrict it. Thus makes copyright issues now a private issues. Now if you copy a song from your CD player to your mp3 player you break copyright law. If you make a copy of the DVD movie to your friend, you have the FBI on you.
The other madness is that we now have infinite copyright protection. No work that I listen to or watch today is going to be public domain in my lifetime. For me it's endless copyright protection, which should be forbidden by the US constitution. There is no incentive to create new works what-so-ever if you have a hit song/movie/book and the big publisher can capitalize works from over 100 years ego.
I think a lot of video games will be lost for the next generations, too. With Steam, Online Activations, DRM and the law that forbids to circumvent this.
I think this century will be called "the dark ages", which a copyright of 100 years, the generations will not be able to use our music. If it wasn't for P2P, Torrent and Youtube there would be a cultural vacuum.
Face it, piracy exists and will exist on every device no matter how much DRM you throw in it. Fact is, not every pirate is a customer. Even if your device is 100% piracy prove, you just won't magically see an explosion of customers. If they can't pirate, they don't use your app. Your customers will buy, but the 67% of the pirates will not. The 67% will just never use your app.
But if you block out the pirates you are going to block out any potential customer as well. Think of the pirated app as a free demo version. It will promote you, make your app more visible and people that have the money and want to buy stuff for their phone will buy your app.
Ask you one question, where would Microsoft be, if you absolutely cannot copy Windows or MS Office for free? What would be Russia, China, the Philippines, Malaysia, India, the students in Europe and USA and small office businesses using? Linux or OO.org? Now ask you, is a waterproof DRM scheme really in the interests of Microsoft? If you answer is No, why should be DRM in your interests?
As a demo version? If Microsoft would have 0% piracy it would not have been a standard on office suites like it is now. There are not pirates, they are potential customers and free advertisement for your app.
Why stop with 7-14 years? With no copyright he must create something new directly after the old one leaves the theater, plus the DVDs of the old ones would not be so horrible expensive.
Before someone comes with the stupid argument for copyright, all movies makes their money in the theaters and you can't just copy the theaters.
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Except if the genes are already "discovered" by nature, which I read some story about bred pigs from a farm which had a gene from the breeding but Monsato patented the gene. The story is here http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2480
Take patent application WO 2005/017204. This refers to pigs in which a certain gene sequence related to faster growth is detected. This is a variation on a natural occurring sequence -- Monsanto didn't invent it. It was first identified in mice and humans.
Than of course are the patent infringement issues if the neighbor of a farm using Monsanto's patented seeds and some seed are landing on his farm by wind. You can't tell the difference until you send the genome to a laboratory to test, and until then you are selling Monsanto's "intellectual property".
Just migrate to Linux and you have two choices. Number one is to run IE6 in Wine, there is a script with lets you install IE6, IE5 and IE5.5 on linux. The number two is to run Windows XP in VirtualBox (or any other virtual machine software), with the advantage of a secure and update system guarding the outdated and unsupported Windows XP. Since your web app should only need IE6 the switch to Linux should be very easy.
I was thinking that as well. It would be great if the companies in the USA just continue to sue each other to the point where all development in the USA would be on hold. But the problem is that the USA try to impose the same crazy rules on the rest of the world.
Would also be great if China, Europe, India just stop export devices to the USA because of the patent situation. Maybe in 50 years the markets for China and India alone would be enough to just ignore the USA.
Bing's map should use Openstreetmap, because the free service is way better then the map from MS. And the 3D/Birds eye view is not supported in FF anyway. It's really beta anyway, because I just typed in "New York" and it shows me an empty page. If I click on the orange search button the map flashes for one second but then I see the empty page again.
"We welcome initiatives from member states to increase the availability of music online at a lower price for consumers and through legal distribution channels. Music online is certainly a driver for the success of the Internet and for economic development," said Almunia.
You know what will do that, without any extra money from the people? Just put copyright back to sane terms or abolish it altogether. Stop criminalizing a whole generation of people and stop cutting families off the internet based on accusations only.
Please compare Eclipse with the same level of application. How long does it take to start up Visual Studio on the same computer?
True, there is some overhead to start up a Java application because you need to load the whole JVM and the whole of Java SDK into memory even if the application itself just needs some core classes. That is no different from any QT application which needs first to load the QT libraries into memory, which are the same size as the Java libraries.
I don't know how much of OO is still built on java, but getting rid of this layer and re-writing EVERYTHING in some good HL language (C, C++, etc) would help with the speed issue. I'm guessing that the Java runtime layer is taking a godawfull time to initialize and suck up all the resources it needs. Finally there is support.
That is so much BS. First, OO.org is not written in Java, Java is only used to connect to a database and for some plugins. Seconds, I am using Java applications all the time, like Eclipse and Visual Paradigm and I couldn't care less if Firefox were written in Java, because startup and speed of Firefox is the same as all other Java applications I ever had. Try using Lotus Symphony with is 100% Java, it is the same speed as OO.org in startup and usage. DBGL (dosbox game launcher) is another Java application and it runs fast as well.
I'm sorry but that a Java application is always slower than a C/C++ application is so much BF I could vomit. That is just not true anymore and this myth is based on the very early JavaVM. You can also try a 3D Engine in Java http://jmonkeyengine.org/groups/tag/projects and see for yourself how "slow" the 3D applications and games are.
This patent is nothing more than a description on how to use a general purpose processor to perform specific tasks.
Welcome to software patents, you must be new here.
Google never claimed to make a Java for Android. You will see no Java in Android, no advertising about Java in Android and nothing similar. What Google did was to build a VM and use the Java syntax for the language.
Google is only guilty of re-using the Java developers and the Java tools like Eclipse. Oracle sued Google over specific technologies in a VM, it doesn't sued over trademark.
I guess they are just going to have a contract with Microsoft. It will deliver them Windows CE in a new India look.
Seriously, how long it will take and how much do they think in will cost to create not only a full operation system from scratch but add the whole Windows API to it? If they are going do proprietary they can't re-use any code from Linux, Wine or GNU. The Linux kernel (Fedora 9, linux-2.6.25.i686) costs about $1,372,340,206 to develop. Now if you only going to develop 10% of it, it will still cost you 137 million dollars. Add to it the costs for proprietary code (bought code or self developed code, like the compilers, development tools, a window manager) and the Windows API layer.
Maybe the developers are way cheaper than in the USA/Europe but with the costs are going to be at least 200 million dollars. For another invented wheel with the same bugs and security holes like linux 1.0.
You are somewhat right, but I think there are people that really appreciate that you can download the whole of Debian as CDs/DVDs. The 31 CDs are the whole packages for Debian, if you don't have a fast connection in your home you can download them in a internet coffee/university and install them. Very useful for at least 95% of the people out there.
Is my English so bad? I'm sorry I'm German. I thought I made it pretty clear, that I want to abolish copyright and to weaken patent protections (or to abolish them in some places).
I meant you sentence, that you wrote
[About the abolishing of copyright and patents] That is not good solution, and probably bad in the long term,
And I ask you, why it's a bad solution and why it's bad in the long term?
I'm not for abolishing every regulation, I think we need regulation but we need regulation that is actually have any proof that it's doing what it's suppose for. For example, environment regulations are doing what they are suppose for and there is proof that they are effective.
But there is no prove at all about copyrights and patents. Everybody just assumes that we need copyright law and patent protection, but there is no prove in it. That is the same as the mantras I have given.
My proof is history. Compare the book markets in England and in Germany, after the first copyright law. Germany was 127 years copyright free, after the first copyright law in England.
Maybe they will find a way to screw around, but how much more are you going to take with the current laws? We have a copyright of over 100 years, you are forbidden to make personal copies, you are forbidden to share works with your friends and family, you are forbidden to buy DVDs in other countries and play it in your home. You a forced to use only authorized hardware to play your media. Your ISP is going to monitor the sites your visit and any of the big publisher can put you offline at any time which no reason or proof. We are threatened with FBI warnings and our political leaders are crafting a world wide secrete contract that will break a lot of regional laws about copyright exceptions, private use and privacy.
How much more abuse will you take? Right now I'm talking only about private use of works and not the madness that are authors and musicians are going through.
Right, the same old crap.
Try to defend yourself with one measly patent against a multi-billion dollar corporation. This goes well for i4i right now with Microsoft. Yes, they won, but how long does it took and have Microsoft actually paid anything yet? No they didn't, Microsoft just go one instance higher after another, and now Microsoft have actually a good chance of invalidate i4i patents all together.
Why is it not a good solution, why should it be bad for the long term? Do you have any rationale in this backed up by any evidence?
No you don't. You just repeat the mantra like a priest. It's the same mantra as "the free market will solve it all" and "privatization is good for every good and service".
There are a lot of examples where patents are just harmful, in the pharmacy, in the genetic research, in business methods and software. Or patents that a stopping innovation, like patents on the steam engine, patents on touch and multi-touch screens.
The same for copyright. In the time Germany doesn't had any copyright for books the market was full of cheap books to read and the authors had more money from their work. After copyright law was introduced in Germany, the amount of books dropped, the prices increased and the authors became less money from their publishers.
Just look at the British book market after the first copyright law. The books were luxury items only a few could afford them. There were only a few rich authors, the big rest of them just starved.
There is no protection for little inventor and artist anymore. The little artists need to sight their copyright away if they sigh contracts with the big publishers, for music and for books. The inventors can't afford the lawyers and the fees for patent protection for the whole world.
All this money and time wasted in the courts could be used to make better products and improve innovation. How are patents are suppose to promote the progress of useful arts again? We should just change the text to "to promote the progress of lawyers".
In a Linux server you have the ability to turn GUI on and off, as you wish. All services are running and can be configured by CLI anyway.
512 MB RAM as the minimum requirements is a lot for a bunch of services. How much do you waste it for a GUI that you almost never see?
And, as I said, it's not only the resources, but the security threats. A GUI have a few millions SLOC more then just a command line. There are some like about 15 - 50 errors per 1000 lines of [...] code. And if you run/configure services with it some of it have to be running as root/Administrator rights, which increases the threats dramatically.
And the huge amount of spam and bot nets reflects that. That they don't need to know what they are doing, it's all nice pretty GUI and they are paying a few $ to MacAfee or Symantec. No wonder the anti virus companies can afford the biggest buildings in the city.
Why should you? Under Linux you never have to change the PATH. The applications will be installed in pre-defined directories and the path is already set. It's only in Windows where you just install applications in random places and need to change the PATH in this horrible small dialog, plus you need to restart Windows to make it work.
In Linux it's just works, but if you really need to change the path you should be knowing what you do.
Why Windows servers have a GUI is beyond me anyway. The servers are running 99,99% of the time without a monitor and normally you just login per ssh to a console if you need to administer them. But they are consuming the extra RAM, the extra CPU cycles and the extra security threats.
I don't now, but can you de-install the GUI from a Windows server? Or better, do you have an option for no-GUI installation? Just saw the minimum hardware requirements. 512 MB RAM and 32 GB or greater disk space. My server runs with 260 MB RAM and 2.1 GB disk space, and I have Php, Apache, MySQL, Redmine, Rails, ISPConfig, Tomcat6 installed. Really, 512 MB RAM and 32 GB or greater disk space as a minimum requirement? I guess there is already ASP.NET, IIS, MSSQL installed, plus a few tools like remote desktop. But really, 512 MB RAM and 32 GB? My whole server takes just 7% of the minimum requirements of MS Server 2008.
Copyright was perfectly fine because it only lived in the commercial world. You could make copies to your friends, nobody cared, but as soon as you make a business out of it you were sued. This changed now with digital works. Everything, from the TV, to CD player, to mp3 player, to computer makes copies and now the right holders are thinking that they have a need to restrict it. Thus makes copyright issues now a private issues. Now if you copy a song from your CD player to your mp3 player you break copyright law. If you make a copy of the DVD movie to your friend, you have the FBI on you. The other madness is that we now have infinite copyright protection. No work that I listen to or watch today is going to be public domain in my lifetime. For me it's endless copyright protection, which should be forbidden by the US constitution. There is no incentive to create new works what-so-ever if you have a hit song/movie/book and the big publisher can capitalize works from over 100 years ego.
I think a lot of video games will be lost for the next generations, too. With Steam, Online Activations, DRM and the law that forbids to circumvent this. I think this century will be called "the dark ages", which a copyright of 100 years, the generations will not be able to use our music. If it wasn't for P2P, Torrent and Youtube there would be a cultural vacuum.
But if you block out the pirates you are going to block out any potential customer as well. Think of the pirated app as a free demo version. It will promote you, make your app more visible and people that have the money and want to buy stuff for their phone will buy your app.
Ask you one question, where would Microsoft be, if you absolutely cannot copy Windows or MS Office for free? What would be Russia, China, the Philippines, Malaysia, India, the students in Europe and USA and small office businesses using? Linux or OO.org? Now ask you, is a waterproof DRM scheme really in the interests of Microsoft? If you answer is No, why should be DRM in your interests?
As a demo version? If Microsoft would have 0% piracy it would not have been a standard on office suites like it is now. There are not pirates, they are potential customers and free advertisement for your app.
Why stop with 7-14 years? With no copyright he must create something new directly after the old one leaves the theater, plus the DVDs of the old ones would not be so horrible expensive.
Before someone comes with the stupid argument for copyright, all movies makes their money in the theaters and you can't just copy the theaters.