Oh, come on. For most people, it's not about bragging rights (though that would be a bonus, of course) or a blind anti-MS attitude; it's about people who genuinely prefer to do their computing in Linux, and like to play games, and don't want to be forced to dual-boot just to play games.
Personally, if I had the money for 2 high-end boxes (I have a Celeron 400 dual-boot, and a P-166 dedicated Linux box), and the space to set them both up at my desk, I couldn't care less about not having the 'Moral High Ground' of doing everything in Linux. I would just make one box into a game machine, and use the other for work. But dual-booting can be incredibly annoying, and Linux isn't inherently incapable of playing games, so why not try to have it all?
Afterall, progress never came from being satisfied with the way things are.
With the frequency of such occurences, maybe it would be a good idea for Rob to put the Submit and Preview buttons on opposite sides of the Plain Old Text/etc. button, instead of right next to each other?
Well, for one, it could be argued that if you go to a health-food store looking for 'food, not health food' you'll be sorely dissapointed. Slashdot is what it is...
For another, the articles are in categories; this one is in the category "Linux", denoted by the cute little penguin on graphical browsers, or the 'Linux' alt tag on text browsers. Given the context, a version number number alone doesn't leave much room for doubt.
Would you understand if a post claimed that Version 7 would be coming out next month? Version 7 of what? Who knows?
Well, if it were say, next to the Beos logo, I would assume it was version 7 of Beos. (just to choose an example at random, I don't know what version Beos is at). I guess if it were next to the Monty Python foot I might be confused...
Finally, you have a login. Take a look at your preferences and adjust accordingly.
I say, screw 'em! I think region locking is unfair. If I had relatives in France and brought my DVD collection of American movies, I wouldn't be able to watch them? If I was an anime addict and the movie wasn't released in the USA, I would by it off the internet from a sight in Japan. With DVD region locking, I wouldn't be able to watch a movie I had paid for!
Amen! I live in Germany right now, but I'll be moving back to the U.S. after my studies. The only thing that has kept me from buying into the DVD market is the fact that I don't want to buy DVDs which I won't be able to play on an American-bought player, or having a player which requires me to order my movies from Europe after I move to the States. I will buy a DVD player only when I can be guaranteed to play any DVD I buy.
And I can respond to the idea that people would buy a DVD in India to use in America because it's cheaper. It's simple dynamics of trade: If it's worth it for me to buy a DVD in India and have it transported to the U.S., then it's obviously too expensive in the U.S.
In my opinion if a company can't even survive competition with itself, it deserves to go under.
God how obnoxious the US $ is not the only currnecy in the world you know... Your showing how full of themselves americans are.
Well first of all, you can't know for sure that the guy (or girl) you're responding to is an American. It's flamebait, don't sink to the same level.
Second of all, although it was expressed rather obnoxiously, expressing monetary amounts in $ makes practical sense in many contexts. Most people from non-U.S. countries will tend to know the conversion rate between their own currency and U.S. Dollars; this is less likely with other currencies.
That said, given the time frame of this particular case, converting to $ wouldn't make it any easier to relate to current values of the currencies;-)
it really helps open people's minds to your point.
You're right. That was a bit blunt:-) I was just trying to be brief, and it was late(MET). In any case I was just making the point that there is at least one state where you have a choice. It would help if you told me what state you're in, where it's not allowed. Afterall, I did specifically say: at least in California...
If your state doesn't allow that sort of thing, maybe that's something it should institute; again I don't know what state it is, so I don't know if voters can pass propositions into law...
Uhm..~$140,000 a year is a pretty frikkin high paying job in my book!
I'm afraid your book isn't the one that counts. Anyone who manages to become President could easily get job earning at least twice that, and with much better hours.
because once you start regulating somewhere, where is the limit?
'Slippery slope' arguments sound really good, but in fact they only really apply to actual tangible slopes which happen to have low-friction surfaces. The Internet is already regulated otherwise it wouldn't work. Think DNS. Or how about if someone defrauds you in an online sale; would you prefer that he get away scott-free in the interest of non-regulation?
Instead of mindless opposing 'Regulation' in all forms, take some time to think about what (specifically) you think should be free of regulation (and why), and what kinds of regulation the rest should have (and why). That's called a position; otherwise it's the worst form of naive idealism.
If you're not in a party you're not allowed to vote in primaries
Wrong. In at least California a law was passed which allows anyone to vote in any primary (I'm not sure if you're allowed to vote in more than one). The primaries are important, so if your state allows this make it a point to make your choice about which candidates will be there for the Presidential election.
It would probably be hard to coordinate but if we just keep putting up web sites every time they sue one of us eventually they'll get tired of it or they'll go broke.
Perfect! That gives me another idea too: I was thinking of taking up hunting of dangerous carnivores. My problem has been: I can't shoot so well, so if my quarry is running around quickly or attacking me I might not be able to hit them. So, what I need is some people to run around and make a lot of noise until the animals devour enough of them that they become slow and sluggish; Then they're are as good as dead! Any volunteers?;-)
Netcraft also surveys SSL servers on the Internet, and there the numbers are very different: Microsoft's 37 percent is almost twice that of Netscape's or Stronghold's share, and Sun Web Server doesn't even make the list.
Stronghold? Uhhh... I have Apache. I have SSL on my Apache. I do not have Stronghold. Just because Stronghold is a hardened Apache, doesn't mean it's the only hardened Apache.
I only have this sample to go by, but right off the bat you can see a how different the plot can be if you don't cut part of the story:
31.67% using an Apache with SSL (6477 sites) against Microsoft's 30.66% (6272 sites). And that's only the servers which are recognizably Apache derivates (I'm sure some people here could add a few to the list)
Sure Apache only has a small lead, but that's a lot different than only half as many! Look a little more deeply next time.
Maybe Microsoft likes to think of "platform" as being an operating system plus web server etc
Bingo.
I cannot think of any reasonable explanation for Microsoft's claim.
To make money?
And at the very least, they should be made to remove the footnote to Netcraft.
I can't find the September report anymore, but I think it was broken down by OS/webserver such that, although Unix/Apache beat NT/IIS, no single Unix/webserver combination beat NT/IIS. In other words, strictly speaking they're not lying. Of course, the fact that they lump all Unix platforms together, along with Linux whenever they talk about e.g. TCO, doesn't seem to bother them too much either;-)
Plenty of people out there would cheer this breakthrough, not for its obvious worth as a furthering of scientific thought, but as a further entrenchment of quantum physics as a dominant theory for the mechanations of the universe, because frankly, it suits their personal philosophies of how the universe should remain somehow mystical.
I parsed the 'their' as the people who subscribe to quantum theory, that threw off my interpretation of the sarcasm, i.e. I knew you were being sarcastic, but I mis-identified the target of the sarcasm.
because frankly, it suits their personal philosophies of how the universe should remain somehow mystical.
huh?
Newtonian physics and its euclidean geometries is far too cold, too exact, too exacting
...too unable to explain too many phenomena
Now that appeals to my insecurities and warms my cockles.
Speak for yourself.
I'm still betting in science's corner, myself.
And which 'science' did you use for your psychoanalysis of practically the entire Physics community? From what I've gathered, it tends to be more the people enamored of mysticism/religion who are offended by quantum theory.
Apache 2.0 will be a hybrid forking/threading server thus giving it some of the speed advantages of threading while maintaining the advantage of multiple processes that every one of these benchmarks never mentions: stability.
If for some reason one of the threads in a multi-threading server crashes, it can bring the whole server down with it. If one of Apache's child servers crashes... Apache forks a new one to replace it. The new design will be a compromise with several preforked children, each of which is multi-threading. Then let's see what the benchmarks look like:-)
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Oh, come on. For most people, it's not about bragging rights (though that would be a bonus, of course) or a blind anti-MS attitude; it's about people who genuinely prefer to do their computing in Linux, and like to play games, and don't want to be forced to dual-boot just to play games.
Personally, if I had the money for 2 high-end boxes (I have a Celeron 400 dual-boot, and a P-166 dedicated Linux box), and the space to set them both up at my desk, I couldn't care less about not having the 'Moral High Ground' of doing everything in Linux. I would just make one box into a game machine, and use the other for work. But dual-booting can be incredibly annoying, and Linux isn't inherently incapable of playing games, so why not try to have it all?
Afterall, progress never came from being satisfied with the way things are.
Chris
I give up
With the frequency of such occurences, maybe it would be a good idea for Rob to put the Submit and Preview buttons on opposite sides of the Plain Old Text/etc. button, instead of right next to each other?
Chris
Are either you or the poster above you paying the slightest attention to what I'm talking about?
Aaaarrrrgghhhhh. Are you stupid?!?!?!?!
Or are you not paying attention to what I said?
Let me give you an example:
"In a press release today, the White House said the President is not feeling well"
Now, quick; Is that the president of IBM? Zimbabwe? The Nose-Picker's Club of Estonia?
but a out of context version number
It's not out of context!!! It is implied. Shall I give you a translation table for reference?
A Version number sitting alone next to:
Linux Logo ---> Linux kernel
BeOS Logo ----> BeOS version
Apache Logo --> Apache version
etc.
What's so hard about that to understand?
Chris
As you can see by clicking on the linux penguin (or alt message), a wide range of topics are posted with Tux as the icon.
Okay, I'll play along...
Hmmmm...
0 Playboy And...Linux? by Hemos on Tuesday January 04, @09:43PM EST 24
1 Linux Kernel 2.2.14 by CmdrTaco on Tuesday January 04, @04:16PM EST 246
2 The 2.3.x "Things To Fix" List by CmdrTaco on Tuesday January 04, @02:43PM EST 128
-- The current article
3 The ROX Desktop by emmett on Monday January 03, @05:43PM EST 215
-- Okay this one is Linux/Unix
4 Interview: a New Linux Year with Jon 'maddog' Hall by Roblimo on Saturday January 01, @02:02PM EST 88
5 Universal Linux-based Internet Appliance by CmdrTaco on Saturday January 01, @09:32AM EST 52
6 Linux Last in Deja Network OS Poll by Roblimo on Saturday January 01, @07:10AM EST 156
7 Forrester Report: Linux Hysteria Will Fade In 2000 by Hemos on Thursday December 30, @03:29PM EST 241
8 The Linux Newbie Replies: WFM? by Hemos on Thursday December 30, @12:14PM EST 367
9 Yet Another Linux Driver Petition by CmdrTaco on Thursday December 30, @07:44AM EST 140
10 US Army Needs Linux Workstation Advice by Cliff on Tuesday December 28, @01:09PM EST 396
11 Second "Bonus" Interview: Jon "maddog" Hall by Roblimo on Monday December 27, @12:00PM EST 102
-- Linux, trust me!
12 Linus One of Fortune's "People to Watch in 2000" by Hemos on Monday December 27, @10:31AM EST 87
-- Linus is the creator of Linux
13 Crack.LinuxPPC.org Cracked by CmdrTaco on Monday December 27, @08:12AM EST 132
14 Linux Handwriting Recognition by CmdrTaco on Saturday December 25, @08:25AM EST 79
15 "What is Linux Missing?" by CmdrTaco on Friday December 24, @07:34AM EST 732
16 Opera Beta Released by Roblimo on Friday December 24, @06:35AM EST 255
-- This was Opera for Linux
17 UK Gov't Experts Say Linux is Secure, Windows Not by Roblimo on Thursday December 23, @10:14PM EST 277
18 The MassLinux Disappearance Explained by Hemos on Thursday December 23, @11:30AM EST 137
19 386 Based Linux Powered Telephone by CmdrTaco on Wednesday December 22, @08:49PM EST 132
20 Realtime Linux Workshop in Vienna by CmdrTaco on Wednesday December 22, @11:02AM EST 66
21 LWN Does Year in Review for Linux by Hemos on Tuesday December 21, @06:22PM EST 60
22 HP Still Porting Linux to 64 bit PA RISC by Hemos on Tuesday December 21, @08:45AM EST 54
23 Tivo Source Code Released by CmdrTaco on Tuesday December 21, @07:40AM EST 220
-- Tivo runs on Linux
24 Is SCSI Sub-Par Under Linux? by Cliff on Friday December 17, @06:37AM EST 263
25 Corel and Red Hat Rumors Continue by CmdrTaco on Thursday December 16, @11:20AM EST 180
-- Linux companies
26 Adobe Announces Initial Support for Linux by HeUnique on Thursday December 16, @05:15AM EST 256
27 Linus Announces Move into Pre-2.4 Stage by Hemos on Wednesday December 15, @12:38PM EST 209
-- See above re Linus/Linux
28 Matra to open source their CAD component library by sengan on Tuesday December 14, @08:40PM EST 139
-- Okay, open source
29 Wearable PCs Under Linux by CmdrTaco on Tuesday December 14, @12:16PM EST 133
So that's 27 pure Linux, and 2 borderline.
I'll agree there's a wide variety, but: unclear?
Chris
As of SuSE 6.3, LVM is part of the distribution. I just thought it was part of 2.2.13.
Chris
I come to slashdot for nerd news, not linux news.
Well, for one, it could be argued that if you go to a health-food store looking for 'food, not health food' you'll be sorely dissapointed. Slashdot is what it is...
For another, the articles are in categories; this one is in the category "Linux", denoted by the cute little penguin on graphical browsers, or the 'Linux' alt tag on text browsers. Given the context, a version number number alone doesn't leave much room for doubt.
Would you understand if a post claimed that Version 7 would be coming out next month? Version 7 of what? Who knows?
Well, if it were say, next to the Beos logo, I would assume it was version 7 of Beos. (just to choose an example at random, I don't know what version Beos is at). I guess if it were next to the Monty Python foot I might be confused...
Finally, you have a login. Take a look at your preferences and adjust accordingly.
I say, screw 'em! I think region locking is unfair. If I had relatives in France and brought my DVD collection of American movies, I wouldn't be able to watch them? If I was an anime addict and the movie wasn't released in the USA, I would by it off the internet from a sight in Japan. With DVD region locking, I wouldn't be able to watch a movie I had paid for!
Amen! I live in Germany right now, but I'll be moving back to the U.S. after my studies. The only thing that has kept me from buying into the DVD market is the fact that I don't want to buy DVDs which I won't be able to play on an American-bought player, or having a player which requires me to order my movies from Europe after I move to the States. I will buy a DVD player only when I can be guaranteed to play any DVD I buy.
And I can respond to the idea that people would buy a DVD in India to use in America because it's cheaper. It's simple dynamics of trade: If it's worth it for me to buy a DVD in India and have it transported to the U.S., then it's obviously too expensive in the U.S.
In my opinion if a company can't even survive competition with itself, it deserves to go under.
Chris
God how obnoxious the US $ is not the only currnecy in the world you know...
;-)
Your showing how full of themselves americans are.
Well first of all, you can't know for sure that the guy (or girl) you're responding to is an American. It's flamebait, don't sink to the same level.
Second of all, although it was expressed rather obnoxiously, expressing monetary amounts in $ makes practical sense in many contexts. Most people from non-U.S. countries will tend to know the conversion rate between their own currency and U.S. Dollars; this is less likely with other currencies.
That said, given the time frame of this particular case, converting to $ wouldn't make it any easier to relate to current values of the currencies
I wonder if Blue Screen of Death is copyrighted...
Chris
The phrase "Y2K bug" will take the place in the English language formerly occupied by "making a mountain out of a mole hill"...
Chris
Give this guy another point for being funny! :-)
Chris
it really helps open people's minds to your point.
:-) I was just trying to be brief, and it was late(MET). In any case I was just making the point that there is at least one state where you have a choice. It would help if you told me what state you're in, where it's not allowed. Afterall, I did specifically say: at least in California...
You're right. That was a bit blunt
If your state doesn't allow that sort of thing, maybe that's something it should institute; again I don't know what state it is, so I don't know if voters can pass propositions into law...
No offense was meant.
Chris
Uhm..~$140,000 a year is a pretty frikkin high paying job in my book!
I'm afraid your book isn't the one that counts. Anyone who manages to become President could easily get job earning at least twice that, and with much better hours.
Chris
because once you start regulating somewhere, where is the limit?
'Slippery slope' arguments sound really good, but in fact they only really apply to actual tangible slopes which happen to have low-friction surfaces. The Internet is already regulated otherwise it wouldn't work. Think DNS. Or how about if someone defrauds you in an online sale; would you prefer that he get away scott-free in the interest of non-regulation?
Instead of mindless opposing 'Regulation' in all forms, take some time to think about what (specifically) you think should be free of regulation (and why), and what kinds of regulation the rest should have (and why). That's called a position; otherwise it's the worst form of naive idealism.
Chris
If you're not in a party you're not allowed to vote in primaries
Wrong. In at least California a law was passed which allows anyone to vote in any primary (I'm not sure if you're allowed to vote in more than one). The primaries are important, so if your state allows this make it a point to make your choice about which candidates will be there for the Presidential election.
Chris
It would probably be hard to coordinate but if we just keep putting up web sites every time they sue one of us eventually they'll get tired of it or they'll go broke.
;-)
Perfect! That gives me another idea too: I was thinking of taking up hunting of dangerous carnivores. My problem has been: I can't shoot so well, so if my quarry is running around quickly or attacking me I might not be able to hit them. So, what I need is some people to run around and make a lot of noise until the animals devour enough of them that they become slow and sluggish; Then they're are as good as dead! Any volunteers?
Chris
Last I heard Dirk was still working for SuSE. At least, that's what it says here.
Chris
Netcraft also surveys SSL servers on the Internet, and there the numbers are very different: Microsoft's 37 percent is almost twice that of Netscape's or Stronghold's share, and Sun Web Server doesn't even make the list.
.6272. . 30.66
.110. . .0.54 .16. . . 0.08
Stronghold? Uhhh... I have Apache. I have SSL on my Apache. I do not have Stronghold. Just because Stronghold is a hardened Apache, doesn't mean it's the only hardened Apache.
I only have this sample to go by, but right off the bat you can see a how different the plot can be if you don't cut part of the story:
Server..........Sites...Percentage
Microsoft-IIS.
Stronghold. . . 3277. . 16.02
Apache. . . . . 3062. . 14.97
Apache-SSL-US.
Apache-us-ssl.
Apache-SSL. . . 12. . . 0.06
(Aaaarrrgh! Why can't we use tables or 'pre' tags?)
Let's see... (whips out calculator) that makes:
31.67% using an Apache with SSL (6477 sites) against Microsoft's 30.66% (6272 sites). And that's only the servers which are recognizably Apache derivates (I'm sure some people here could add a few to the list)
Sure Apache only has a small lead, but that's a lot different than only half as many! Look a little more deeply next time.
Chris
Maybe Microsoft likes to think of "platform" as being an operating system plus web server etc
;-)
Bingo.
I cannot think of any reasonable explanation for Microsoft's claim.
To make money?
And at the very least, they should be made to remove the footnote to Netcraft.
I can't find the September report anymore, but I think it was broken down by OS/webserver such that, although Unix/Apache beat NT/IIS, no single Unix/webserver combination beat NT/IIS. In other words, strictly speaking they're not lying. Of course, the fact that they lump all Unix platforms together, along with Linux whenever they talk about e.g. TCO, doesn't seem to bother them too much either
Chris
Ooops :-(
Now I get it:
Plenty of people out there would cheer this breakthrough, not for its obvious worth as a furthering of scientific thought, but as a further entrenchment of quantum physics as a dominant theory for the mechanations of the universe, because frankly, it suits their personal philosophies of how the universe should remain somehow mystical.
I parsed the 'their' as the people who subscribe to quantum theory, that threw off my interpretation of the sarcasm, i.e. I knew you were being sarcastic, but I mis-identified the target of the sarcasm.
My apologies.
Chris
Third-person perspective narrated in a first-person format for the purpose of understated satire.
Ummm... I understood that. That's why I was saying speak for yourself.
Chris
because frankly, it suits their personal philosophies of how the universe should remain somehow mystical.
huh?
Newtonian physics and its euclidean geometries is far too cold, too exact, too exacting
...too unable to explain too many phenomena
Now that appeals to my insecurities and warms my cockles.
Speak for yourself.
I'm still betting in science's corner, myself.
And which 'science' did you use for your psychoanalysis of practically the entire Physics community? From what I've gathered, it tends to be more the people enamored of mysticism/religion who are offended by quantum theory.
Chris
Here's the link to info about Apache 2.0 which I actually wanted to include in my post above:
http://www.apacheweek.com/features/apac he20
Chris
Also, what is the state of threading in apache?
:-)
Apache 2.0 will be a hybrid forking/threading server thus giving it some of the speed advantages of threading while maintaining the advantage of multiple processes that every one of these benchmarks never mentions: stability.
If for some reason one of the threads in a multi-threading server crashes, it can bring the whole server down with it. If one of Apache's child servers crashes... Apache forks a new one to replace it. The new design will be a compromise with several preforked children, each of which is multi-threading. Then let's see what the benchmarks look like
Chris