Romansch (a Romance language, i.e. descended from Latin) - in 1 canton, spoken by not more than a couple of hundred-thousand (actually much less, I think)
In any case the German and French regions form the overwhelming majority as far as population goes.
and the five seconds waiting are an insignificant amount compared to the total connection time, since I usually dont disconnect.
That's my point vis a vis money. In Germany (and I thought this was the case for Sweden too) the phone charges for a long Internet connection can add up. When I still had a modem, I usually didn't disconnect either just so the 5 seconds would be insignificant. Once I realized how quickly and transparently I could get back online with ISDN I set the timeout to 3 minutes, and lo and behold: My phone costs sank! I'd estimate I pay on average DM 75-150 (ca. $40-$80) less per month total (yes, including the ISDN monthly fee).
Next to that, any price difference between a modem and an ISDN card is just not a factor anymore; in fact I'd pay more for an ISDN card. Of course, I'm a pretty heavy-duty surfer, and I read mostly sites like Slashdot (lots of reading, little clicking; especially if you set Slashdot to nested mode) so YMMV; however, I'd be very surprised if an ISDN card didn't pay for itself within a few months of switching, unless you're a very occasional Web surfer (which considering your Slashdot login, seems unlikely:-).
At least in Sweden, it isnt cheaper than an ordinary modem
An ISDN card/adaptor is not a modem, ordinary or otherwise. Since the whole communication path is digital there's no need to modulate and demodulate.
and its not even significantly faster.
I suspect this is an issue with your ISP. When I switched, I noticed a drastic decrease in the time to establish a connection, as well as a far larger number of connections established on the first try. This led me to lower the idle timeout to a couple of minutes, since I don't have to wait through a sometimes 5-second modem handshake (of course, this might be an issue with my ISP) to get back online. This saves me money.
As for throughput, It's hard for me to judge, since I had a 33.6 Modem before; nevertheless, my subjective impression is that the speed is more constant than with a modem (fewer dropped packets?).
No thankyou. Ill go for ADSL or cable or something that may actually make a difference on both.
Still waiting for either of those to be available here (Munich, Germany).
IF SuSE would get off their duff and include the "freely available source code into the distrib"
I don't understand. Which source code don't they include (aside from the commercial stuff, where they're not allowed to)? The sources for every program in the distribution are in Series zq.
Presidents have to be natural-born citizens. It doesn't matter where they're born, rather with which status. This information is straight from the U.S. consulate in Munich, Germany, where my son was born (June 21st, 1999:-). I'm a U.S. citizen so he's a natural-born citizen (as opposed to a naturalized citizen), which means he's still elegible to become President; although, I hope I raise him better than that:-)
Of course, in essence you're still correct; Linus isn't elegible, unless he's hidden the fact that one of his parents is a U.S. citizen...
...but actually "opening" it in a very closed and restricted way - is disingenuous, and deserves criticism.
...to see disingenuous, a five-syllable, non-technology-related (sp?) word, used (and spelled) correctly on Slashdot. It reminds me that there are indeed still literates (I don't claim necessarily to be one of them) active in the discussions.
There should be a moderation category for well-formed cogent arguments. Note this is not the same as interesting or insightful, but it is very communicative, allowing you to judge the arguments more accurately.
I am glad Hitler was not born in America - Many people over there probably still would cheer him as a hero.
I personally wish he had been born in America: Sure, he would have probably ended up as the Grand Poobah of JARG (Just Another Racist Group) and had some kind of following; but without the entire Nation at his feet he would have sunk into obscurity like most of his ilk. Or do you seriously think he would have ever risen to dictatorship in the U.S.?
An appropriate quote I once read from an Italian newspaper said (paraphrased):
The U.S. system of government is one which while allowing thieves and swindlers to be elected for the last two-hundred years, has never given rise to dictators like Mussolini or Hitler.
To put that another way, we rarely elect exceptionally good leaders, but at least we never elect exceptionally bad ones (at least relative to Hitler and the like).
AC wrote: But add another gap: when RedHat servers will be cracked, you're going to have "trojan" updates. Remember even freebsd.org source repository was once compromised.
ignoring (or overseeing) that
aqua wrote (in part): ...it's a nifty little app that picks up the updates from FTP, NFS mount, etc., checks the PGP signatures...
This is offtopic, but so is the B.S. I'm responding to, so what the hell... This is an extremely old (and unoriginal) complaint made against the use of 'American' to mean someone from the U.S.
Oh, and by the way.... The term 'American' isn't quite right since you don't own the whole continent 1. Who decides what is 'right'? Some asshole from another country? 2. Can you show me the continent 'America' on a map?
(ok, you're partially excused because you're country's called the United States of America and it's not very easy to find a nationality noun for that) 3. <gush>Oh, thank you most gracious one. I don't know if I could live without your pardon.</gush> 4. Sure it's easy: 'American'
At least stop calling your country America and start calling it The United States of America or The US. 5. No.
People from: Federal Republic of Germany are Germans People's Republic of China are Chinese Great Britain are British etc...
To put it more succinctly: - Unless there's a case of ambiguity, call people what they want to call themselves (allowing for language differences, of course). - Find another cause. You're only satisfying your own ego with this one. </rant>
Chris (An American and not always proud of it, but proud enough not to say something braindead like 'United States American')
Linus had gone ahead and registered "Linux" at the UN right at the beginning when he came up with the term, then we could submit a Security Council resolution to send in an international force against any entities who violate his trademark. That could have saved us a lot of trouble. Sheesh.
Accurate counting of hits, since the GIF isn't cached like the rest of the page (might be).
We do this at the site I work for (Don't click unless you want to see a really bloated site) to collect accurate statistics about which parts of the site are more (or less) popular. These are then used to make decisions about what to keep and what to toss, as well as how much to squeeze the advertisers for...
I use NEdit too, and I've just finished a little Perl/TK program which will allow you to save files directly from NEdit to an ftp server (actually it will allow this from the commandline also). It doesn't have any docs yet (I hadn't planned on publicizing it yet) but if you want it, send me an e-mail (without the *blah*) and I'll send you the current version.
I've also gotten the perl debugger to drive the NEdit window while stepping through a program (including opening additional windows for any modules used). This is still just an ugly hack though; I'd prefer to pipe the output to another tty like Tom's pvdb but that'll take a bit more work.
Just set the perl debugger to pipe its output to the following program (the line: parse_options("LineInfo=|nedit_perldb.pl"); in a file called.perldb in your home directory will do it)
#!/usr/bin/perl -w # # nedit_perldb # version -0.01 # # (c) Christopher Kuhi
open (FILE, ">$ENV{HOME}/.perldebug/debug.out") or die; # You need to create this directory and do a tail -f as it stands now
select FILE; $| = 1;
while () {
unless (/^(\d+)\:/) {
/^[^(]+\(([^:]*)\:(\d+)\)/; my $filename = $1; my $linenumber = $2;
if (-e $filename) { system ("nc -do 'goto_line_number($linenumber)' $filename"); } } print FILE $_;
}
# I'm sure the indentation is shot to hell now:(
Like I said, crude but I've found it to be helpful.
Chris
p.s. if anyone knows where I can read about the exact format of the output from the Perl debugger, I'd like to be sure my regex will cover all the situations
I'm surprised to see this sort of thing again. I can remember the first time I saw this kind of stuff, on the old Atari 130xe: 128 Kbytes through 'bank switching'...
chris
Suspend works on my laptop and I don't know why
on
On Linux Laptops
·
· Score: 1
I'm running S.u.S.E. 6.2 with the 2.2.10 kernel on an Acer Extensa 390:
Pentium 166 64 MB RAM 2 GB Harddrive
It supposedly has a winmodem but the port been cemented over for European users, presumably so we don't injure ourselves. I'm dual-booting with the Win95 which came on the system, but I should mention that I assign partition space on a merit system every time I reinstall, and the Windows partition is shrinking.
Anyways, I have a strange problem; no rather I have a strange solution. Up until recently I could never get suspend to disk to work. Everytime I upgraded the kernel or apm utilities, I tried it again and it didn't work. I had heard that if you boot up in Windows and then loadlin into Linux it could work, but I was always too lazy to get loadlin working. Anyways, recently I discovered purely by accident that suspend to disk works perfectly! As far as I can determine, this happened sometime between my upgrade from S.u.S.E. 6.0 (kernel 2.2.5) -> S.u.S.E. 6.1 (kernel 2.2.10). The thing is I didn't see any mention of apm changes in the relevant kernel changelogs, and I'm pretty sure the apm utilities are the same version. So I have two questions:
- was there some change (relevant to suspend) of which I'm not aware?
- which disk space is it using? If it's the Windows suspend space, should I be concerned about it the next time I shrink the Windows partition? (Windows has already earned some bad karma:7(
If, say, tree different moderators decide to moderate a post down, they get back the moderation point they used.
This is almost exactly like an idea I had. I would propose that moderators have a checkbox next to every post to bomb it. Posts which have been marked 'bomb' would have a distinguishing icon (like a mushroom cloud:-) so they would stand out for other moderators. Once a post has been bombed by 3 or 5 (or whatever) moderators it goes away... Bombing a post wouldn't cost points, but it wouldn't affect the score either. That way, anything less than a quorum of moderators won't be able to eliminate posts indiscriminantly.
I'm a close personal friend of Tom Christiansen. And Stevens was no Christiansen
Close personal friend or not, judging by the following quote I don't think Tom shares your opinion:
'Unix Networking Programming and the three-volume TCP/IP Illustrated by W. Richard Stevens are indispensable for the serious socket programmer...' - Perl Cookbook p.603
His books are cited a couple of other places as well (I'm too lazy to refer to all of them). Additionally I see in Advanced Perl Programming that the reader is referred to two of his books each in at least two chapters (again, too lazy).
I think this indicates how the people who matter in the Perl community (that is, those who are actually Perl hackers) regard W. Richard Stevens, whatever he might of thought of Perl. It might be a good idea to follow their example.
IIRC SuSE (six CDs and counting...:) already has their distro on a DVD... *snip* ...so I *could* just have been smoking some really good crack, but is there anybody out there who can confirm/deny?
I guess I must have the same dealer as you then;-) because I could swear I heard exactly the same thing; unfortunately I was also unable find any reference to it on their website, so I can't confirm it:-(
Slashdot Mirror
and only $63 for the personal edition...
</sarcasm>
Chris
In any case the German and French regions form the overwhelming majority as far as population goes.
and the five seconds waiting are an insignificant amount compared to the total connection time, since I usually dont disconnect.
:-).
That's my point vis a vis money. In Germany (and I thought this was the case for Sweden too) the phone charges for a long Internet connection can add up. When I still had a modem, I usually didn't disconnect either just so the 5 seconds would be insignificant. Once I realized how quickly and transparently I could get back online with ISDN I set the timeout to 3 minutes, and lo and behold: My phone costs sank! I'd estimate I pay on average DM 75-150 (ca. $40-$80) less per month total (yes, including the ISDN monthly fee).
Next to that, any price difference between a modem and an ISDN card is just not a factor anymore; in fact I'd pay more for an ISDN card. Of course, I'm a pretty heavy-duty surfer, and I read mostly sites like Slashdot (lots of reading, little clicking; especially if you set Slashdot to nested mode) so YMMV; however, I'd be very surprised if an ISDN card didn't pay for itself within a few months of switching, unless you're a very occasional Web surfer (which considering your Slashdot login, seems unlikely
And then there's the cool stuff:
2 lines
3 Telephone numbers
etc.
Chris
At least in Sweden, it isnt cheaper than an ordinary modem
An ISDN card/adaptor is not a modem, ordinary or otherwise. Since the whole communication path is digital there's no need to modulate and demodulate.
and its not even significantly faster.
I suspect this is an issue with your ISP. When I switched, I noticed a drastic decrease in the time to establish a connection, as well as a far larger number of connections established on the first try. This led me to lower the idle timeout to a couple of minutes, since I don't have to wait through a sometimes 5-second modem handshake (of course, this might be an issue with my ISP) to get back online. This saves me money.
As for throughput, It's hard for me to judge, since I had a 33.6 Modem before; nevertheless, my subjective impression is that the speed is more constant than with a modem (fewer dropped packets?).
No thankyou. Ill go for ADSL or cable or something that may actually make a difference on both.
Still waiting for either of those to be available here (Munich, Germany).
Chris
IF SuSE would get off their duff and include the "freely available source code into the distrib"
I don't understand. Which source code don't they include (aside from the commercial stuff, where they're not allowed to)? The sources for every program in the distribution are in Series zq.
Chris
presidents of the us need to be born here
:-). I'm a U.S. citizen so he's a natural-born citizen (as opposed to a naturalized citizen), which means he's still elegible to become President; although, I hope I raise him better than that :-)
bzzzt. Thanks for playing.
Presidents have to be natural-born citizens. It doesn't matter where they're born, rather with which status. This information is straight from the U.S. consulate in Munich, Germany, where my son was born (June 21st, 1999
Of course, in essence you're still correct; Linus isn't elegible, unless he's hidden the fact that one of his parents is a U.S. citizen...
So I guess you get 1 point.
Chris
you know... a shy retiring kind of guy, instead of the kind of guy who shys then retires (kind of like a horse).
I think I need to go to bed
Chris
...but actually "opening" it in a very closed and restricted way - is disingenuous, and deserves criticism.
...to see disingenuous, a five-syllable, non-technology-related (sp?) word, used (and spelled) correctly on Slashdot. It reminds me that there are indeed still literates (I don't claim necessarily to be one of them) active in the discussions.
There should be a moderation category for well-formed cogent arguments. Note this is not the same as interesting or insightful, but it is very communicative, allowing you to judge the arguments more accurately.
Oh well, I'm blathering now...
Chris
I am glad Hitler was not born in America - Many people over there probably still would cheer him as a hero.
I personally wish he had been born in America: Sure, he would have probably ended up as the Grand Poobah of JARG (Just Another Racist Group) and had some kind of following; but without the entire Nation at his feet he would have sunk into obscurity like most of his ilk. Or do you seriously think he would have ever risen to dictatorship in the U.S.?
An appropriate quote I once read from an Italian newspaper said (paraphrased):
The U.S. system of government is one which while allowing thieves and swindlers to be elected for the last two-hundred years, has never given rise to dictators like Mussolini or Hitler.
To put that another way, we rarely elect exceptionally good leaders, but at least we never elect exceptionally bad ones (at least relative to Hitler and the like).
Chris
AC wrote:
...
But add another gap: when RedHat servers will be cracked, you're going to have "trojan" updates. Remember even freebsd.org source repository was once compromised.
ignoring (or overseeing) that
aqua wrote (in part):
...it's a nifty little app that picks up the updates from FTP, NFS mount, etc., checks the PGP signatures
Chris
Huh? Have you ever applied an NT service pack ? Just click on the .exe, reboot, and that's it.
Figures a Microsoft proponent doesn't consider rebooting a server to be a difficulty...
This is offtopic, but so is the B.S. I'm responding to, so what the hell...
This is an extremely old (and unoriginal) complaint made against the use of 'American' to mean someone from the U.S.
Oh, and by the way.... The term 'American' isn't quite right since you don't own the whole continent
1. Who decides what is 'right'? Some asshole from another country?
2. Can you show me the continent 'America' on a map?
(ok, you're partially excused because you're country's called the United States of America and it's not very easy to find a nationality noun for that)
3. <gush>Oh, thank you most gracious one. I don't know if I could live without your pardon.</gush>
4. Sure it's easy: 'American'
At least stop calling your country America and start calling it The United States of America or The US.
5. No.
People from:
Federal Republic of Germany are Germans
People's Republic of China are Chinese
Great Britain are British
etc...
To put it more succinctly:
- Unless there's a case of ambiguity, call people what they want to call themselves (allowing for language differences, of course).
- Find another cause. You're only satisfying your own ego with this one.
</rant>
Chris (An American and not always proud of it, but proud enough not to say something braindead like 'United States American')
No wonder they don't realize how bloated a lot of their stuff is...
Microsoft programmer:
"Gee, this program seems to run pretty quickly. I guess it should be okay for a home user."
Home user:
"You mean I have to upgrade again?"
Chris
Linus had gone ahead and registered "Linux" at the UN right at the beginning when he came up with the term, then we could submit a Security Council resolution to send in an international force against any entities who violate his trademark. That could have saved us a lot of trouble. Sheesh.
Chris
Accurate counting of hits
This should read:
more accurate counting of hits etc.
I don't think there's actually any truly accurate method to count hits (as in number of times a page is loaded into a browser).
chris
Accurate counting of hits, since the GIF isn't cached like the rest of the page (might be).
We do this at the site I work for (Don't click unless you want to see a really bloated site) to collect accurate statistics about which parts of the site are more (or less) popular. These are then used to make decisions about what to keep and what to toss, as well as how much to squeeze the advertisers for...
chris
Oops. Forgot to mention that you need to set .Xresources file.
nc.autoStart: True
in your
And it would probably be better to give the full path for nc:
system ("/usr/local/bin/nc -do 'goto_line_number($linenumber)' $filename");
chris
You had caves?
You lucky bastard.
I use NEdit too, and I've just finished a little Perl/TK program which will allow you to save files directly from NEdit to an ftp server (actually it will allow this from the commandline also). It doesn't have any docs yet (I hadn't planned on publicizing it yet) but if you want it, send me an e-mail (without the *blah*) and I'll send you the current version.
.perldb in your home directory will do it)
/^[^(]+\(([^:]*)\:(\d+)\)/;
:(
I've also gotten the perl debugger to drive the NEdit window while stepping through a program (including opening additional windows for any modules used). This is still just an ugly hack though; I'd prefer to pipe the output to another tty like Tom's pvdb but that'll take a bit more work.
Just set the perl debugger to pipe its output to the following program (the line:
parse_options("LineInfo=|nedit_perldb.pl");
in a file called
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
#
# nedit_perldb
# version -0.01
#
# (c) Christopher Kuhi
open (FILE, ">$ENV{HOME}/.perldebug/debug.out") or die;
# You need to create this directory and do a tail -f as it stands now
select FILE;
$| = 1;
while () {
unless (/^(\d+)\:/) {
my $filename = $1;
my $linenumber = $2;
if (-e $filename) {
system ("nc -do 'goto_line_number($linenumber)' $filename");
}
}
print FILE $_;
}
# I'm sure the indentation is shot to hell now
Like I said, crude but I've found it to be helpful.
Chris
p.s. if anyone knows where I can read about the exact format of the output from the Perl debugger, I'd like to be sure my regex will cover all the situations
Ditto.
I'm surprised to see this sort of thing again. I can remember the first time I saw this kind of stuff, on the old Atari 130xe: 128 Kbytes through 'bank switching'...
chris
I'm running S.u.S.E. 6.2 with the 2.2.10 kernel on an Acer Extensa 390:
:7(
Pentium 166
64 MB RAM
2 GB Harddrive
It supposedly has a winmodem but the port been cemented over for European users, presumably so we don't injure ourselves. I'm dual-booting with the Win95 which came on the system, but I should mention that I assign partition space on a merit system every time I reinstall, and the Windows partition is shrinking.
Anyways, I have a strange problem; no rather I have a strange solution. Up until recently I could never get suspend to disk to work. Everytime I upgraded the kernel or apm utilities, I tried it again and it didn't work. I had heard that if you boot up in Windows and then loadlin into Linux it could work, but I was always too lazy to get loadlin working. Anyways, recently I discovered purely by accident that suspend to disk works perfectly! As far as I can determine, this happened sometime between my upgrade from S.u.S.E. 6.0 (kernel 2.2.5) -> S.u.S.E. 6.1 (kernel 2.2.10). The thing is I didn't see any mention of apm changes in the relevant kernel changelogs, and I'm pretty sure the apm utilities are the same version. So I have two questions:
- was there some change (relevant to suspend) of which I'm not aware?
- which disk space is it using? If it's the Windows suspend space, should I be concerned about it the next time I shrink the Windows partition? (Windows has already earned some bad karma
Okay it was 3 questions.
Anyone have some thoughts?
Chris
If, say, tree different moderators decide to moderate a post down, they get back the moderation point they used.
:-) so they would stand out for other moderators. Once a post has been bombed by 3 or 5 (or whatever) moderators it goes away... Bombing a post wouldn't cost points, but it wouldn't affect the score either. That way, anything less than a quorum of moderators won't be able to eliminate posts indiscriminantly.
This is almost exactly like an idea I had. I would propose that moderators have a checkbox next to every post to bomb it. Posts which have been marked 'bomb' would have a distinguishing icon (like a mushroom cloud
Chris
I'm a close personal friend of Tom Christiansen. And Stevens was no Christiansen
Close personal friend or not, judging by the following quote I don't think Tom shares your opinion:
'Unix Networking Programming and the three-volume TCP/IP Illustrated by W. Richard Stevens are indispensable for the serious socket programmer...'
- Perl Cookbook p.603
His books are cited a couple of other places as well (I'm too lazy to refer to all of them). Additionally I see in Advanced Perl Programming that the reader is referred to two of his books each in at least two chapters (again, too lazy).
I think this indicates how the people who matter in the Perl community (that is, those who are actually Perl hackers) regard W. Richard Stevens, whatever he might of thought of Perl. It might be a good idea to follow their example.
Chris
IIRC SuSE (six CDs and counting... :) already has their distro on a DVD...
;-) because I could swear I heard exactly the same thing; unfortunately I was also unable find any reference to it on their website, so I can't confirm it :-(
*snip*
...so I *could* just have been smoking some really good crack, but is there anybody out there who can confirm/deny?
I guess I must have the same dealer as you then
chris
It does not. Libertarian != Stalinist
You blatantly confuse terms.
Ummm, you seem to be confusing everything he said including his unmistakable sarcasm...
Anonymous Coward wrote:
being Liberals (== socialists == Communists == Stalinists)...
chris