Wouldn't it be great if the people that have moderated something would get their 'names' assoicated with it too? The cluelessness shown in the above post and moderation would then be exposed as it should be.
/mill
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A paper on Scheme as an universal extension language:
Umm, so I can then write proprieraty software making use of Qt then? Since there is no restrictions on copying and distributing Qt itself just on developing proprieraty software with it.
Hmm, lets see. If the "very purpose" of a library is to be used then wouldn't the same logic apply to applications? That would mean the "traditional" way of making money from software (which you and tchrist defend) is void too. The purpose of applications are to be used and what better way than to copy them so others can use the applications too.
The whole copyright system is dead. Hallelujah.
Of course, this isn't the case at all. So if I release software using the GPL I expect and demand you to use it within the restrictions I set up - library or not. If not, you are always free to choose not to use my software.
In other words..
"This paragraph is very important. If you don't like the terms of the GPL, don't use it. Don't copy, distribute or modify programs that do. Simple. If you do copy, distribute or modify a program licensed under the GPL, you have legally accepted it."
I am sure _you_ understand that paragraph. It is even "Simple".
I think it is understandable. Tom Christiansen et al spend enormous time writing great documentation for all of us to use. Then there are some people who don't read this documentation and instead join #perl and ask questions that would have been answered in the documentation.
From what I understand #perl is a channel for Perl programmers to hang out and sometimes even discuss Perl related stuff. It is not a help channel for people that don't want to read documentation and expect others to do their work.
Ask interesting questions and I am sure any hacker will be interested in finding solutions - even Perl hackers. In fact Perl hackers will probably give you several solutions - on one line;-).
These things are obvios if one considers how many clueless newbies who have probably joined various programming language related irc channels to ask FAQs.
Not knowing anything about any of these guys I find one thing a bit odd though.
"Do you think that we let the type of data that we're able to collect and log just go to waste? I don't;-)"
Does that sound like someone that wouldn't keep a copy of the proofs of the alleged harassment of his little sister? Like at least the picture(s) and assorted text?
Of course that means pronouncing it the same way Linux is pronounced. Linus Torvalds has already provided us with the correct way (listen to english.au).
/mill - who can't understand the problem of using this pronounciation
"Don't blame the web page makers because they used a lot of images that make the site look nice, it's your own fault for choosing that browser, and if you don't like it, then change."
What does "a lot of images that make a site look nice" mean if not making it inaccessible to users without graphical browser?
If an image intent is to make things look nice then it is totally meaningless to a non-visual user agent.
Sure using images because they have a meaning (like on a site about kaleidoscopes) is perfectly acceptable. Just as providing video clips. This is separate from making things "look nice".
If you don't mean what you say don't say it.
Btw, validation isn't enough. Validators don't catch the misuse of TABLEs for layout or BLOCKQUOTE for indention. Of course most non-visual user agents seem to have accepted the fact that "web designers" don't understand HTML and therefore more or less ignore the semantics of elements.
What about all those users out there that can't change? Those who just can't see all your pretty pictures?
I hope one day all you immoral bastards will have to face the fact that your pretty "web sites" are inaccessible. Maybe it will be because of some accident that made you blind and suddenly all your work and all your interests are gone from you because of "web designers" like yourself. Even worse it might be your children that can't access daddy's or mommy's work because his or her shortsightedness (definitely no pun intended).
Uh, if it is not the browsers job to "become style police" then who's is it?
Why does that darn compile flaunt that "Syntax error" in my face all the time?! It isn't its job to "become style police".
Because Netscape released crap in the beginning and therefore accepting crap people wrote crap. The only way to reverse that is to not accept crap. Or maybe we should try to educate people and help them understand why complying to standards is necessary. Looking at your proposal I think it is obvios that would be a futile approach.
Btw, a page doesn't "look". It is your user agent that presents it in a visual way. But then you are concerned about your pity problems with looks instead of the huge amount of problems broken HTML causes others.
No, why should anyone care about anyone. Heck, lets leave bikes in front of every door and not hold the door for old people. Or why should I care about that kid that lost sight of his mom in the crowd on the subway. Handicap parking lots? I don't need them!
These people shouldn't even be on the internet. People, btw, are they even _real_ people?
Your page uses tables for layout, uses semantically meaningless elements like FONT, B and I. Hardly black text on white background (I wonder what happens when someone decides to use white text instead and your page just specifies white background). Btw, black text on white background doesn't provide any meaning to the text. That is what HTML is for.
Govt legislation is never good. Doesn't change the fact that most of the "web designers" out there are immoral bastards.
Too bad people can't get out of there eye candy world and see what the WWW could've been and see that the ones that could've benefitted the most from this 'revolution' were the disabled. Now the eye candy idiots do their best to prevent it.
Well I just feel utter contempt for all you out there that can't even try to use HTML properly.
Yes, and you don't markup text in XML either, but with an application of it.
The original claim was "It is an important step to a completely component based architecture programmable via languages such as XML in as powerful a manner as the native API." but of course they mean an application of XML. Just like Glade doesn't save an representation of a Gtk GUI in XML.
When people say "XML" they mostly mean "an application of XML" and in that context XML is an programming language - if one wants to.
Umm, who decided the name? Why can't RMS claim it should be called GNU/Linux (which at least acknowledge the kernel Linux) if you claim that it should be called just Linux (which includes GNU, X, et al)?
/mill - who is pretty much indifferent about the name(s)
KWord and Gnumeric will rival Word and Excel soon. At least in functionality normal users need.
There might not be an obvios commercial incentive to produce Free software when it comes to these kind of applications, but that doesn't seem to stop Miguel de Icaza or Torben Weis et al to do it.
I think the money will be in integrating things with other applications or provide support contracts to fix bugs (might be needed for companies that depend heavily on these applications to work correctly).
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Wouldn't it be great if the people that have moderated something would get their 'names' assoicated with it too? The cluelessness shown in the above post and moderation would then be exposed as it should be.
/mill
A paper on Scheme as an universal extension language:
/mill
http://www.ai.mit.edu/~shivers/ll.ps
http://www.cygnus.com/about/corp-qa.html#5
/mill
That is John Gilmore.
Umm, so I can then write proprieraty software making use of Qt then? Since there is no restrictions on copying and distributing Qt itself just on developing proprieraty software with it.
/mill
Hmm, lets see. If the "very purpose" of a library is to be used then wouldn't the same logic apply to applications? That would mean the "traditional" way of making money from software (which you and tchrist defend) is void too. The purpose of applications are to be used and what better way than to copy them so others can use the applications too.
The whole copyright system is dead. Hallelujah.
Of course, this isn't the case at all. So if I release software using the GPL I expect and demand you to use it within the restrictions I set up - library or not. If not, you are always free to choose not to use my software.
In other words..
"This paragraph is very important. If you don't like the terms of the GPL, don't use it. Don't copy, distribute or modify programs that do. Simple. If you do copy, distribute or modify a program licensed under the GPL, you have legally accepted it."
I am sure _you_ understand that paragraph. It is even "Simple".
Looks like they have "web designers" working at Inprise. Got the same when using NS3.0x.
Looks like they have "web designers" working at Inprise. Got the same when using NS3.0x.
..and what if the judge, police or whomever are corrupt? Then you have just taken an innocent [wo]man's life.
/mill
It can't be compensated since it is final.
Capital punishment is just murder sanctioned by those in power.
I think it is understandable. Tom Christiansen et al spend enormous time writing great documentation for all of us to use. Then there are some people who don't read this documentation and instead join #perl and ask questions that would have been answered in the documentation.
;-).
/mill
From what I understand #perl is a channel for Perl programmers to hang out and sometimes even discuss Perl related stuff. It is not a help channel for people that don't want to read documentation and expect others to do their work.
Ask interesting questions and I am sure any hacker will be interested in finding solutions - even Perl hackers. In fact Perl hackers will probably give you several solutions - on one line
These things are obvios if one considers how many clueless newbies who have probably joined various programming language related irc channels to ask FAQs.
Yes, you can. If you redistribute your work then it must be licensed under the GPL though, which is Brett Glass' problem.
/mill
He wants to redistribute the driver as part of the OS (FreeBSD specifically I think), but he doesn't want to relicense the whole OS under the GPL.
Not knowing anything about any of these guys I find one thing a bit odd though.
;-)"
/mill
"Do you think that we let the type of data that we're able to collect and log just go to waste? I don't
Does that sound like someone that wouldn't keep a copy of the proofs of the alleged harassment of his little sister? Like at least the picture(s) and assorted text?
lilo = linux loader
Of course that means pronouncing it the same way Linux is pronounced. Linus Torvalds has already provided us with the correct way (listen to english.au).
/mill - who can't understand the problem of using this pronounciation
There should be no guessing when the HTML is broken.
"Don't blame the web page makers because they used a lot of images that make the site look nice, it's your own fault for choosing that browser, and if you don't like it, then change."
/mill
What does "a lot of images that make a site look nice" mean if not making it inaccessible to users without graphical browser?
If an image intent is to make things look nice then it is totally meaningless to a non-visual user agent.
Sure using images because they have a meaning (like on a site about kaleidoscopes) is perfectly acceptable. Just as providing video clips. This is separate from making things "look nice".
If you don't mean what you say don't say it.
Btw, validation isn't enough. Validators don't catch the misuse of TABLEs for layout or BLOCKQUOTE for indention. Of course most non-visual user agents seem to have accepted the fact that "web designers" don't understand HTML and therefore more or less ignore the semantics of elements.
What about all those users out there that can't change? Those who just can't see all your pretty pictures?
/mill
I hope one day all you immoral bastards will have to face the fact that your pretty "web sites" are inaccessible. Maybe it will be because of some accident that made you blind and suddenly all your work and all your interests are gone from you because of "web designers" like yourself. Even worse it might be your children that can't access daddy's or mommy's work because his or her shortsightedness (definitely no pun intended).
You make me sick all of you.
Uh, if it is not the browsers job to "become style police" then who's is it?
/mill
Why does that darn compile flaunt that "Syntax error" in my face all the time?! It isn't its job to "become style police".
Because Netscape released crap in the beginning and therefore accepting crap people wrote crap. The only way to reverse that is to not accept crap. Or maybe we should try to educate people and help them understand why complying to standards is necessary. Looking at your proposal I think it is obvios that would be a futile approach.
Btw, a page doesn't "look". It is your user agent that presents it in a visual way. But then you are concerned about your pity problems with looks instead of the huge amount of problems broken HTML causes others.
No, why should anyone care about anyone. Heck, lets leave bikes in front of every door and not hold the door for old people. Or why should I care about that kid that lost sight of his mom in the crowd on the subway. Handicap parking lots? I don't need them!
/mill *sigh*
These people shouldn't even be on the internet. People, btw, are they even _real_ people?
Your page uses tables for layout, uses semantically meaningless elements like FONT, B and I. Hardly black text on white background (I wonder what happens when someone decides to use white text instead and your page just specifies white background). Btw, black text on white background doesn't provide any meaning to the text. That is what HTML is for.
/mill
Govt legislation is never good. Doesn't change the fact that most of the "web designers" out there are immoral bastards.
Too bad people can't get out of there eye candy world and see what the WWW could've been and see that the ones that could've benefitted the most from this 'revolution' were the disabled. Now the eye candy idiots do their best to prevent it.
Well I just feel utter contempt for all you out there that can't even try to use HTML properly.
Yes, and you don't markup text in XML either, but with an application of it.
/mill
The original claim was "It is an important step to a completely component based architecture programmable via languages such as XML in as powerful a manner as the native API." but of course they mean an application of XML. Just like Glade doesn't save an representation of a Gtk GUI in XML.
When people say "XML" they mostly mean "an application of XML" and in that context XML is an programming language - if one wants to.
Umm, and what do you call XSL?
/mill
http://www.wilberworks.com
/mill
Why don't you pay someone to do it "your way" then? This is Free but not necessarily gratis software.
/mill
I wonder if Photoshop would even exist if you didn't pay for it (assuming that you did).
Umm, who decided the name? Why can't RMS claim it should be called GNU/Linux (which at least acknowledge the kernel Linux) if you claim that it should be called just Linux (which includes GNU, X, et al)?
/mill - who is pretty much indifferent about the name(s)
Huh?
/mill
Are you saying Linus Torvalds and/or ESR are bought? Is there a conspiracy you know and we should know about?
Lets have some facts or at least an explanation.
There is an insistence that software should be Free.
/mill - who doesn't have a problem with proprieraty software, but won't pay for it
Why do you want to muddle the distinction between Free and gratis like you do in the last paragraph?
"Open source" got nothing to do with price and still you are attacking "open-source bigotry" using price as an argument. Red herring.
KWord and Gnumeric will rival Word and Excel soon. At least in functionality normal users need.
/mill
There might not be an obvios commercial incentive to produce Free software when it comes to these kind of applications, but that doesn't seem to stop Miguel de Icaza or Torben Weis et al to do it.
I think the money will be in integrating things with other applications or provide support contracts to fix bugs (might be needed for companies that depend heavily on these applications to work correctly).