Your argument wraps up into one topic. The product of their work is not worthy of being given the same consideration of your own. Thus, they have become your slave.
What you should have led off your post with:
Lets start off another post by showing where I am a first class citizen of the world, but authors of software, music, movies are not.
Again, the hypocrisy is so blatant here on slash dot.
No that is not my argument. My argument is that i never asked you to make a game or shovel my driveway, and if you have done either without some sort of agreement with me you can't demand/expect me to pay.
Did you TAKE something WITHOUT asking. You have made the person a slave. That is EXACTLY what you are saying, and THAT is exactly what I say companies have EVERY RIGHT to do with you. And CONTRACTS don't count. You are not giving the developer the option of a contract, who made you so much more special?
lol, I don't know how to respond to this. But I'll try.
I wonder how many other developers feel the same way as you? As an indi, 80 percent could very will be a breaking point as far as staying in business or not. I guess it depends on the volume of the sales. But if I was starting out, I don't see how an 80 percent pirate rate wouldn't push me into closing up shop.
By word of mouth, do you mean the number of p2p sites your cracked software is distributed on? Thus, the more p2p. The more popular?
I don't see how these independents can make a profit. Whats the point if you can't make a profit. And yes, I do support open source as in free as beer. But the choice is made to be free as in beer.
Actually, I don't know why someone hasn't started putting in kill switch's in their software. If someone rips it off, and the developer finds out, the program deletes it self(was going to say delete critical windows file).
My argument was pointed specifically at people that get a percentage of every sale. How many artists fit that category? In other words,they are not paid the same way you are.
I get paid regardless, for my actual hours spent doing what I do!
Now, with regard to how you are paid. You are a slave to these people. And it's easy to see how. If people are going to pirate and not pay, your company is going to drop the product and you will no longer be paid. You will end up out of a job. So you are a slave to these people that feel your work is not worthy of payment, just worthy of them using it.
I am a software developer also, just buisness. I am very happy I never went into private business, or developed products for sale. Why? Easy, just look at the hypocrites here on slash dot. They feel it is their right to take from others without payment, but are the first to complain about their companies not treating them right.
No, you are taking the product of a persons physical effort for nothing. You are treating that person as your personal slave by doing that. You give this person no choice as to your taking their creation. You give this person no reimbursement for what you have taken. You say copy is not taking, yes it is. You are taking a persons work, physically copying it without their permission or reimbursement. That is taking.
By these actions of not reimbursing them for their efforts. You have made them your personal slaves.
It's very simple. Just because you don't like that view is your problem. I can't help it that these actions fit the definition of making someone your slave.
By that logic, companies should be able to have you work for free. And only pay you based on your job performance. You suck at the job, YOU GET NOTHING. You are mediocre at your job, you get minimum wage. You are excellent at your job, you make comparable money to anyone else that performs your same job duties at that level. This logic should be applied at EVERY TASK you perform.
Doesn't matter what your profession. And it doesn't matter what you think about it.
And just like electronic media pirates(slave owners), some companies have every right to not pay anyone. They feel it is their right to have these tasks performed for nothing, just like a large percentage of electronic pirates feel it is their right to have anything produced on electronic media for free.
That is your argument, live by it. Don't like that logic, then its time you quit treating electronic media creationists as your personal slaves.
Actually, I consider modern day software piracy nothing but slavery. You are taking the product of ones work without compensating them anything. You say your not a thief. Ok, then you are a modern day slave owner. Work for you for little or no pay without having any choice in that matter.
bull shit. The only people that use Pirate Bay are the cock suckers that don't think electronic products should be purchased. Be it music, movies, or games. They want them for free, or they won't use them at all.
And I don't give a fuck if they find the product to be the best thing that ever was released. They still wouldn't purchase it.
You can also purchase routers from the ISP, I know I can from cox. Why do you think he hasn't done this?
I wouldn't say I owned an item unless I had made a purchase of that item, would you?
You are also ignoring the fact that he says "I own" the item in all your postings. You are ignoring known information. For you to make a determination by ignoring stated information, without any information to prove otherwise, completely removes all validity in your remarks.
Show me Proof/links/information that he doesn't own or can't own the router and I will happily admit that I am wrong. Until you can, I think your comments are worthless.
And your signature shows how shallow you really are.
If I disagree with a post, I moderate it down.
Not agreeing with a post is not a reason to mod it down. If I took the time to read it, it is interesting. If someone makes a point with respectable links, even if I don't agree with it, I find it informative.
I would rather be immature with my language than being a close minded fool that does not accept out of hand opinions that I don't agree with.
If I had not posted to this topic, I would have moderated you down just because of your signature.
Even if I did agree with your opinion.
As far as my language and what you think about it? Don't give a fuck. Next time I suggest you post something of substance that is on topic with regard to the thread at hand.
What fucking part of the summary do you not understand.
He says he owns the god damn thing. Who the fuck are you to call him a liar?
No shit.
am upset about this because Verizon should not have any way to get into my router and change the settings, especially because I own the router, not them
am upset about this because Verizon should not have any way to get into my router and change the settings, especially because I own the router, not them.
He owns the router, they don't. He doesn't lease it.
Please provide evidence that these type of restrictions are being placed on the other mainframe manufacturers. Please note where they have been reviewed also. Each mainframe manufacturer has its own restrictive licensing terms.
IBM mainframes dominate the mainframe market at well over 90% market share.[6] Unisys manufactures ClearPath mainframes, based on earlier Sperry and Burroughs product lines. In 2002, Hitachi co-developed the zSeries z800 with IBM to share expenses, but subsequently the two companies have not collaborated on new Hitachi models. Hewlett-Packard sells its unique NonStop systems, which it acquired with Tandem Computers and which some analysts classify as mainframes. Groupe Bull's DPS, Fujitsu (formerly Siemens) BS2000, and Fujitsu-ICL VME mainframes are still available in Europe. Fujitsu, Hitachi, and NEC (the "JCMs") still maintain nominal mainframe hardware businesses in their home Japanese market, although they have been slow to introduce new hardware models in recent years.
The amount of vendor investment in mainframe development varies with marketshare. Unisys, HP, Groupe Bull, Fujitsu, Hitachi, and NEC now rely primarily on commodity Intel CPUs rather than custom processors in order to reduce their development expenses, and they have also cut back their mainframe software development. (However, Unisys still maintains its own unique CMOS processor design development for certain high-end ClearPath models but contracts chip manufacturing to IBM.) In stark contrast, IBM continues to pursue a different business strategy of mainframe investment and growth. IBM has its own large research and development organization designing new, homegrown CPUs, including mainframe processors such as 2008's 4.4 GHz quad-core z10 mainframe microprocessor. IBM is rapidly expanding its software business, including its mainframe software portfolio, to seek additional revenue and profits.[7][8]
Quit being a hypocrite and go after every mainframe manufacturer. And yes, I am calling you a hypocrite and a troll.
Nor does IBM force you to use a specific operating system.
From the IBM web site of all places.
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/
Linux on System z
Show descriptions | Hide descriptions
Featured topic
Increasing economics for server consolidation
Linux and z/VM benefit from the enormous improvements of the IBM zEnterprise 196 server capabilities in the areas of consolidation, security, reliability and disaster recovery. You can "do even more with less".
10 Years Linux on IBM System z
For the last decade, clients around the world have benefited from the strengths of Linux on System z.
Learn more about Linux on System z
I don't see companies like Apple advertising the fact, and also offering to help install other operating systems on their hardware.
Show me in witting, on the IBM web site, where their software can not be run on mainframes built by other manufacturers. I don't want your blog, I want IBM official restrictions. Otherwise, your a troll. Nothing more, nothing less.
(1) Motion pictures on DVDs that are lawfully made and acquired and that are protected by the Content Scrambling System when circumvention is accomplished solely in order to accomplish the incorporation of short portions of motion pictures into new works for the purpose of criticism or comment, and where the person engaging in circumvention believes and has reasonable grounds for believing that circumvention is necessary to fulfill the purpose of the use in the following instances:
(i) Educational uses by college and university professors and by college and university film and media studies students;
(ii) Documentary filmmaking;
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iii) Noncommercial videos.
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2) Computer programs that enable wireless telephone handsets to execute software applications, where circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of enabling interoperability of such applications, when they have been lawfully obtained, with computer programs on the telephone handset.
3) Computer programs, in the form of firmware or software, that enable used wireless telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telecommunications network, when circumvention is initiated by the owner of the copy of the computer program solely in order to connect to a wireless telecommunications network and access to the network is authorized by the operator of the network.
(4) Video games accessible on personal computers and protected by technological protection measures that control access to lawfully obtained works, when circumvention is accomplished solely for the purpose of good faith testing for, investigating, or correcting security flaws or vulnerabilities, if:
(i) The information derived from the security testing is used primarily to promote the security of the owner or operator of a computer, computer system, or computer network; and
(ii) The information derived from the security testing is used or maintained in a manner that does not facilitate copyright infringement or a violation of applicable law.
(5) Computer programs protected by dongles that prevent access due to malfunction or damage and which are obsolete. A dongle shall be considered obsolete if it is no longer manufactured or if a replacement or repair is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace; and
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6) Literary works distributed in ebook format when all existing ebook editions of the work (including digital text editions made available by authorized entities) contain access controls that prevent the enabling either of the book’s read-aloud function or of screen readers that render the text into a specialized format.
Not impatient, just they don't want to be inconvenienced into having to drive to the local UPS/FedEx shipping center to pick up a package that can't be safely delivered because they aren't home during normal delivery hours. That's a lot of people.
Or they these distribution centers are closed by the time people get off work and they are unable to take time off from work.
When ever I ran into this problem, I found that USPS/FedEx was closed on the weekend. I was fucked.
The original poster made it sound like similar situations had occurred. ie: take down suggestion, not performed, Fed's made legal hell for them.
The wording of my response should have been more clear. What I want is for the original poster to show previous actions by the Fed's that caused the poster to make that comment. In other words, prove it happened before. Justify your belief that this was the intent of the FBI. And, if there was previous action. Was it carried out to successful prosecution of the company. In other words, only public records should be considered valid references.
Especially when you look at some of the declassified documents of what they have tried before. The US military once actually proposed attacking their own nation to blame it on others as a reason to attack, it was shot down by congress and such but they still proposed it.
Operation Northwoods
US PLANNED FAKE TERROR ATTACKS ON CITIZENS
TO CREATE SUPPORT FOR CUBAN WAR
According to secret and long-hidden documents obtained for Body of Secrets, the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of antiCommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba.
USA: You should shut this down or we'll make your life a legal hell.
Prove that statement. Links to court case's, arrest
records, public records. Conspiracy web sites do not count as legitimate references to prove your point.
Back that statement up with some facts. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
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What you should have led off your post with:
Lets start off another post by showing where I am a first class citizen of the world, but authors of software, music, movies are not.
Again, the hypocrisy is so blatant here on slash dot.
No that is not my argument. My argument is that i never asked you to make a game or shovel my driveway, and if you have done either without some sort of agreement with me you can't demand/expect me to pay.
Did you TAKE something WITHOUT asking. You have made the person a slave. That is EXACTLY what you are saying, and THAT is exactly what I say companies have EVERY RIGHT to do with you. And CONTRACTS don't count. You are not giving the developer the option of a contract, who made you so much more special?
I wonder how many other developers feel the same way as you? As an indi, 80 percent could very will be a breaking point as far as staying in business or not. I guess it depends on the volume of the sales. But if I was starting out, I don't see how an 80 percent pirate rate wouldn't push me into closing up shop.
By word of mouth, do you mean the number of p2p sites your cracked software is distributed on? Thus, the more p2p. The more popular?
I don't see how these independents can make a profit. Whats the point if you can't make a profit. And yes, I do support open source as in free as beer. But the choice is made to be free as in beer.
Actually, I don't know why someone hasn't started putting in kill switch's in their software. If someone rips it off, and the developer finds out, the program deletes it self(was going to say delete critical windows file).
I get paid regardless, for my actual hours spent doing what I do!
Now, with regard to how you are paid. You are a slave to these people. And it's easy to see how. If people are going to pirate and not pay, your company is going to drop the product and you will no longer be paid. You will end up out of a job. So you are a slave to these people that feel your work is not worthy of payment, just worthy of them using it.
I am a software developer also, just buisness. I am very happy I never went into private business, or developed products for sale. Why? Easy, just look at the hypocrites here on slash dot. They feel it is their right to take from others without payment, but are the first to complain about their companies not treating them right.
By these actions of not reimbursing them for their efforts. You have made them your personal slaves.
It's very simple. Just because you don't like that view is your problem. I can't help it that these actions fit the definition of making someone your slave.
Doesn't matter what your profession. And it doesn't matter what you think about it.
And just like electronic media pirates(slave owners), some companies have every right to not pay anyone. They feel it is their right to have these tasks performed for nothing, just like a large percentage of electronic pirates feel it is their right to have anything produced on electronic media for free.
That is your argument, live by it. Don't like that logic, then its time you quit treating electronic media creationists as your personal slaves.
Actually, I consider modern day software piracy nothing but slavery. You are taking the product of ones work without compensating them anything. You say your not a thief. Ok, then you are a modern day slave owner. Work for you for little or no pay without having any choice in that matter.
You are REFUSING to pay a person for their work by pirating.
That fits the definition of slavery. Prove me wrong. Your argument is bull shit otherwise.
How many of those "pirates" live in places where $20 is a more than a whole day's wage?
Crime Statistics > Software piracy rate (most recent) by country
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate
You are the new slave owners of the new millennium. You want these artists to work for free. You do not think that their work should be paid for.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:slavery&sa=X&ei=A_VeTJf6EcO78gbpsuC1DQ&ved=0CBkQkAE
Definitions of slavery on the Web:
bull shit. The only people that use Pirate Bay are the cock suckers that don't think electronic products should be purchased. Be it music, movies, or games. They want them for free, or they won't use them at all.
And I don't give a fuck if they find the product to be the best thing that ever was released. They still wouldn't purchase it.
lol, damn I used up all my mod points. That just made me laugh.
I wouldn't say I owned an item unless I had made a purchase of that item, would you?
You are also ignoring the fact that he says "I own" the item in all your postings. You are ignoring known information. For you to make a determination by ignoring stated information, without any information to prove otherwise, completely removes all validity in your remarks. Show me Proof/links/information that he doesn't own or can't own the router and I will happily admit that I am wrong. Until you can, I think your comments are worthless.
If I disagree with a post, I moderate it down.
Not agreeing with a post is not a reason to mod it down. If I took the time to read it, it is interesting. If someone makes a point with respectable links, even if I don't agree with it, I find it informative.
I would rather be immature with my language than being a close minded fool that does not accept out of hand opinions that I don't agree with.
If I had not posted to this topic, I would have moderated you down just because of your signature. Even if I did agree with your opinion.
As far as my language and what you think about it? Don't give a fuck. Next time I suggest you post something of substance that is on topic with regard to the thread at hand.
am upset about this because Verizon should not have any way to get into my router and change the settings, especially because I own the router, not them
am upset about this because Verizon should not have any way to get into my router and change the settings, especially because I own the router, not them.
He owns the router, they don't. He doesn't lease it.
Thank you, I appreciate the non flame reply
Please provide evidence that these type of restrictions are being placed on the other mainframe manufacturers. Please note where they have been reviewed also. Each mainframe manufacturer has its own restrictive licensing terms.
Market
IBM mainframes dominate the mainframe market at well over 90% market share.[6] Unisys manufactures ClearPath mainframes, based on earlier Sperry and Burroughs product lines. In 2002, Hitachi co-developed the zSeries z800 with IBM to share expenses, but subsequently the two companies have not collaborated on new Hitachi models. Hewlett-Packard sells its unique NonStop systems, which it acquired with Tandem Computers and which some analysts classify as mainframes. Groupe Bull's DPS, Fujitsu (formerly Siemens) BS2000, and Fujitsu-ICL VME mainframes are still available in Europe. Fujitsu, Hitachi, and NEC (the "JCMs") still maintain nominal mainframe hardware businesses in their home Japanese market, although they have been slow to introduce new hardware models in recent years. The amount of vendor investment in mainframe development varies with marketshare. Unisys, HP, Groupe Bull, Fujitsu, Hitachi, and NEC now rely primarily on commodity Intel CPUs rather than custom processors in order to reduce their development expenses, and they have also cut back their mainframe software development. (However, Unisys still maintains its own unique CMOS processor design development for certain high-end ClearPath models but contracts chip manufacturing to IBM.) In stark contrast, IBM continues to pursue a different business strategy of mainframe investment and growth. IBM has its own large research and development organization designing new, homegrown CPUs, including mainframe processors such as 2008's 4.4 GHz quad-core z10 mainframe microprocessor. IBM is rapidly expanding its software business, including its mainframe software portfolio, to seek additional revenue and profits.[7][8]
Quit being a hypocrite and go after every mainframe manufacturer. And yes, I am calling you a hypocrite and a troll.
Nor does IBM force you to use a specific operating system. From the IBM web site of all places. http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/
Linux on System z Show descriptions | Hide descriptions Featured topic Increasing economics for server consolidation Linux and z/VM benefit from the enormous improvements of the IBM zEnterprise 196 server capabilities in the areas of consolidation, security, reliability and disaster recovery. You can "do even more with less". 10 Years Linux on IBM System z For the last decade, clients around the world have benefited from the strengths of Linux on System z. Learn more about Linux on System z
I don't see companies like Apple advertising the fact, and also offering to help install other operating systems on their hardware.
Show me in witting, on the IBM web site, where their software can not be run on mainframes built by other manufacturers. I don't want your blog, I want IBM official restrictions. Otherwise, your a troll. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Not impatient, just they don't want to be inconvenienced into having to drive to the local UPS/FedEx shipping center to pick up a package that can't be safely delivered because they aren't home during normal delivery hours. That's a lot of people.
Or they these distribution centers are closed by the time people get off work and they are unable to take time off from work.
When ever I ran into this problem, I found that USPS/FedEx was closed on the weekend. I was fucked.
Since fucking when is it trolling to ask someone to prove why he made a statement. Fucking pussies.
The wording of my response should have been more clear. What I want is for the original poster to show previous actions by the Fed's that caused the poster to make that comment. In other words, prove it happened before. Justify your belief that this was the intent of the FBI. And, if there was previous action. Was it carried out to successful prosecution of the company. In other words, only public records should be considered valid references.
Especially when you look at some of the declassified documents of what they have tried before. The US military once actually proposed attacking their own nation to blame it on others as a reason to attack, it was shot down by congress and such but they still proposed it.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/northwoods.html?q=northwoods.html
Operation Northwoods
US PLANNED FAKE TERROR ATTACKS ON CITIZENS TO CREATE SUPPORT FOR CUBAN WAR
According to secret and long-hidden documents obtained for Body of Secrets, the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of antiCommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba.
Is this what your thinking about???
USA: You should shut this down or we'll make your life a legal hell.
Prove that statement. Links to court case's, arrest records, public records. Conspiracy web sites do not count as legitimate references to prove your point.
Back that statement up with some facts. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.