A pass in the sense, that they might have used the only possible solution to give these companies a hint. As those companies did not do their share in protecting their network - and their users.
In law there is a principle, that in the case of an emergency you can justify breaking law without punishment.
But, this does not justify torture, but it gives you the option to kill someone that instant this person threatens your or other human life directly.
Also those "bastards" did not impede on basic human rights, even the right to "commerce" is only slightly restricted now (it will be up and running quickly), no company will be bankrupt.
Nor was personal data published. If they would have done that, the verdict would be different because it would impede on human rights.
people need a bit distraction, as they need sleep, but if you are distracted too much, you will get stressed and unable to focus on the real things.
You think about economy, even economy isn't a "real" problem, because it's a "virtual" ruleset that get's only real because a sufficient amount of people follows these rules.
1.) North Korea (has cyber warfare caps) 2.) "new" Russia (has cyber warfare caps) 3.) The United States (has cyber warfare caps) 4.) The U.K. (has cyber warfare caps + someone chatted with offensive language insulting Prince Charles about buying female hygene products) 5.) just some non state hacking group (has cyber warfare caps) 6.) foreign -hacking- legion (everyone can by cyber warfare caps)
I think I will be right with at least one or two of the guesses!!
But there is another explanation at hand, India has a bad grid, plagued with outages and "variable" frequency. So big factories have their own power plants. These can fail too, they have also cooling requirements which can be difficult to satisfy during june/july in India. Also during June & July the normal grid is under heavy load from air conditioners.
A grid fault sometimes bears the property of being able to affect such backup units. The swtich over from grid to island operation is critical - anytime some big supplier or consumer "jumps" from the grid or connects to it is critical. Process control is not instantly reacting, you have delay and rise times, originating from slow physical processes (coal plants), and also a delay through the grid itself, as the grid is due to the long cables a form of energy storage.
If the grid leaves it's sweet spot (in india something around 50Hz +/- 2,5Hz, you will see 37Hz also, your hair dryer will tell;) ) some machines disconnect from the grid. A power grid is capable of propagating this event as a power grid is ment to level out those uncertainties.
In his generality he simply missed the opportunity to project his view and understanding of the problem onto his audience. Which in contrast to some/..ers back then might not have been aware of certain threats and criminal intents. Interpreting his statement, he did that again.
This is what I criticised, to say it with a metaphor: Sometimes a statement is like a fart in the air, it stinks, but when its gone nobody cares.
You intermix iron ore and coke (not the drug! it's processed coal) and then you start an exothermic reaction, what you then do is process control, you blow in Oxygene to react carbon to CO2 to a certain percentage and when the steel is ready you poke a hole into the furnace and then molten steel poures out.
This is a reaction that is ongoing.
We are talking here about huge amounts of energy.
A smaller example: ever been test running inside a wind turbine of +1,5MW megawatt class, during nominal power operation ?
Push the red button and you will realize what energy is - rollercoaster ride - and how long the rotor will need to come to a full stop.
Bigger Bigger example, push the red button in a nuclear power plant, yes the control rods will react, but if you don't cool the heat from radiactive decay away, you will get a Fukushima.
I hope you are not a pro nuke, because keeping that in mind (the virtually non 100% hardware red button) you would now have ruled operators of nuclear power plants as stupid that it borders on criminal.
Also there were hardware level overrides and they worked, however if you leave the molten mass inside the furance it will solidify == damaged beyond repair
Which happend there, you have then to rebuild the furnace and beforehand have to cut the wrecked furnace open with a many ton heavy steel clump (happy cutting)
compare the numbers in steel production from germany & U.S. to for example china, US ranks No 3 germany ranks No 7, but they do play in the same league. (1)
Also if you take a look at this map(2) you will recognize China, US and Germany on all exported goods do play in the same league.
according to the table from (3) which is based on data (4)
1.) China - 1.898.600 2.) US - 1.480.646 3.) Germany - 1.473.889
Conclusion: IRONY_ON Yeah, it's totally transparent to me, germany does really not sell anything! IRONY_OFF
Germany does export many things, however not much on such low level things like raw steel.
Further conclusion, divide the export numbers and the amount of population, and you will recognize the efficiency gap.
1.) China - 1.366.040.000 2.) USA - 317.238.626 3.) Germany - 80.760.000
Because, like it or not, the "modern" production works or is at least wished to work with small human interaction.
The general wish is that you can do Enterprise Resource Planning(1) (SAP/R3 & Oracle for example). That you can modell your whole value added chain into such a system.
Also these ERPs can do a process simulation with alteration of certain factors, this helps the "gold collars" to make a choice not soley based on their gut feeling.
- yes many times these models are far from reallity and SAP & Oracle is a pain in the ass if you have dumb integrators -
1.) "is the one that cannot be accessed by any human being"
- virtual or physical -
So the answer what real secure system (composed of human, machine or both) you have in mind is. none. You need people or machines to built things, there you go again, you implement the human factor from the start. And your approach just points out the fact that nothing is 100% safe. This thought is so utterly flat as it is true, but it does not offer any train thought which steps to undertake to at least increase the security.
2.) We will see more failiures that big in the future as the buzzword "industry 4.0" is coined. Due to the approach of interconnecting each and everything, all your lamenting does not stop anyone from doing it. If you cannot stop or deflect a movement, at least try to alter the movement.
3.) "Why was this allowed?"
Because your typically ERP System SAP & Oracle to name the big to be frail twins does exactly this. It interconnects production, accounting, document maangement, it can control your whole material workflow. All on the same system. Yes, this is a weakness, gain access to SAP-accounts with acting power and you can make a factory start order and producing tons of bullshit.
4.) "Black hats could do a LOT more harm than they have so far" Good lord, another one of those general thoughts. - suicide bombers certainly don't fear the death, so death penalty for suicide bombers is a bad idea.
5.) the best approach to in an insecure world is to start asking the "what can possibly go wrong" and "how can we prevent the risk" and "how can we mitigate the consequences" questions In engineering this is called an FMEA(1) and this works for computer security too. Because it does take the human factor into account.
That's the solution create an interconnected web of wlan and lan routes - also long ranges - freenet has some nice routing algorithms, and tons of encryption, now it just must be ported away from java.
If you say he is wrong, please deliver arguments that support your reasoning.
But i will argument against your points - btw. I might not be windbourne but I do work with wind for profit & because I want to see renewables to succeed;) - just in case you want to refrain from argueing and want to short cut by just saying that I'm just a disbeliever - I like to work on arguments and logical reasoning.
1.) nat gas -> oil This is basically on it's wide extreme step not a favourable choice, because you are replacing a fossil fuel with a fossil fuel.
Yes those natural gas plants might have a higher effeciency but only if you generate electricity+heat within a connected process. If you just fire up gas turbines to counter act missing power within the grid, your effeciency plummets.
Yes natural gas burns better than coal leaving not that many pollutants, however the "modern" (mid. 90s) filter systems for coal powered plants are just good enough.
2.) convert coal into natural gas Yes it does work - meaning you can do this, the feasability is on another page.
The question remains, that you need to answer, if can you please lay out to me that the process your propose, has a positive energy balance ?
Because if your chemical reformation process costs that much energy, that your gain through the higher efficiency of burning natural gas is compensated, it is logical to burn coal but use modern filter technology on the exhaust.
But with the same argument you can continue using oil, because you can reprocess oil also to produce natural gas.
3.) Natural gas for cars, good only to prevent the pollution - except CO2 - and leaving out all the reprocessing that needs to be done, to use it as a fuel, those "energy costs" are mostly not written on the balance sheet. Compressing, cooling and storing cooled gases are using up huge amounts of energy.
The recent developments in gas and diesel engines are enormous, filtering systems, catalizers injected into the exhaust, efficient motor control, hybrid.
From the efficiency POV 10 yrs. ago natural gas was better than gas and diesel, but today it's superseded..
4.) the best solution is mostly the midway, using fossil fuels as long as we have those at our disposal as carefully as possible , switch more and more over to renewables and use natural gas. as a buffer (quick starting power plants - because yes there is a statistical short term jitter within renewable production, long term can be planned, - spring, summer, autum, winter are known to man kind for quite a time - and weather forecast gets better and better).
Nokia says: People at Microsoft don't outlaw pens.
Finland says: Pens are a very dangerous weapon in the wrong hands.
I say: People will get problems when throwing a cultural heritage over board. Especially that many neurological studies show a direct link between motion training, creativity and intelligence.
"deponised" yes made it up, tried to find a relative to the word of my language, it means putting it in a contained landfill.
Working safety is an issue, but chemicals can be handled correctly and processes can be done safe. Except for like mining uranium ore in massive above ground areas.
And I know that you don't really care, because you have most likely used a samsung display (everybody uses samsung panels, just crack your tft open) to write that.
Slashdot Mirror
Only if it was by throwing ".net.wpf.windows.break()"
You should make a difference between virtual and real.
A door and windows are real.
No because you missunderstood the term "human rights".
But considering, their "compensation" from KimDotcom I do change my verdict.
I did not watch their twitter, but considering this, you are right, and I need to change my verdict.
A pass in the sense, that they might have used the only possible solution to give these companies a hint. As those companies did not do their share in protecting their network - and their users.
In law there is a principle, that in the case of an emergency you can justify breaking law without punishment.
But, this does not justify torture, but it gives you the option to kill someone that instant this person threatens your or other human life directly.
Also those "bastards" did not impede on basic human rights,
even the right to "commerce" is only slightly restricted now (it will be up and running quickly), no company will be bankrupt.
Nor was personal data published. If they would have done that, the verdict would be different because it would impede on human rights.
Perhaps because they are not those assholes, as you imply?
They could have done much more harm with access to credit card information, like transfering money to many dubious locations.
So they just gave you time to think about your game consumption, and the opportunity to think about the "silent" in silent night.
It's the amount!
people need a bit distraction, as they need sleep, but if you are distracted too much, you will get stressed and unable to focus on the real things.
You think about economy, even economy isn't a "real" problem, because it's a "virtual" ruleset that get's only real because a sufficient amount of people follows these rules.
.. because (Obama Voice On) "It's in the nations primary interest that the average hard working american can relax from his hard work."
(opium for the masses, xbox for americans)
1.) North Korea (has cyber warfare caps)
2.) "new" Russia (has cyber warfare caps)
3.) The United States (has cyber warfare caps)
4.) The U.K. (has cyber warfare caps + someone chatted with offensive language insulting Prince Charles about buying female hygene products)
5.) just some non state hacking group (has cyber warfare caps)
6.) foreign -hacking- legion (everyone can by cyber warfare caps)
I think I will be right with at least one or two of the guesses!!
Blast furnaces in WWII are "different" in contrast to today the size was smaller, and in WWII they were constructed from bricks.
Would someone be so kind to mod his post up ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
The nacelle goes back and forth about 2-3m (in both directions)
Interesting thought.
But there is another explanation at hand, India has a bad grid, plagued with outages and "variable" frequency. So big factories have their own power plants. These can fail too, they have also cooling requirements which can be difficult to satisfy during june/july in India. Also during June & July the normal grid is under heavy load from air conditioners.
A grid fault sometimes bears the property of being able to affect such backup units. The swtich over from grid to island operation is critical - anytime some big supplier or consumer "jumps" from the grid or connects to it is critical.
Process control is not instantly reacting, you have delay and rise times, originating from slow physical processes (coal plants), and also a delay through the grid itself, as the grid is due to the long cables a form of energy storage.
If the grid leaves it's sweet spot (in india something around 50Hz +/- 2,5Hz, you will see 37Hz also, your hair dryer will tell ;) ) some machines disconnect from the grid. A power grid is capable of propagating this event as a power grid is ment to level out those uncertainties.
In his generality he simply missed the opportunity to project his view and understanding of the problem onto his audience. Which in contrast to some /..ers back then might not have been aware of certain threats and criminal intents. Interpreting his statement, he did that again.
This is what I criticised, to say it with a metaphor:
Sometimes a statement is like a fart in the air, it stinks, but when its gone nobody cares.
blast furnace:
You intermix iron ore and coke (not the drug! it's processed coal)
and then you start an exothermic reaction, what you then do is process control, you blow in Oxygene to react carbon to CO2 to a certain percentage and when the steel is ready you poke a hole into the furnace and then molten steel poures out.
This is a reaction that is ongoing.
We are talking here about huge amounts of energy.
A smaller example: ever been test running inside a wind turbine of +1,5MW megawatt class, during nominal power operation ?
Push the red button and you will realize what energy is - rollercoaster ride - and how long the rotor will need to come to a full stop.
Bigger Bigger example, push the red button in a nuclear power plant, yes the control rods will react, but if you don't cool the heat from radiactive decay away, you will get a Fukushima.
I hope you are not a pro nuke, because keeping that in mind (the virtually non 100% hardware red button) you would now have ruled operators of nuclear power plants as stupid that it borders on criminal.
Also there were hardware level overrides and they worked, however if you leave the molten mass inside the furance it will solidify == damaged beyond repair
Which happend there, you have then to rebuild the furnace and beforehand have to cut the wrecked furnace open with a many ton heavy steel clump (happy cutting)
Your numbers are not existent:
compare the numbers in steel production from germany & U.S. to for example china, US ranks No 3 germany ranks No 7, but they do play in the same league. (1)
Also if you take a look at this map(2) you will recognize China, US and Germany on all exported goods do play in the same league.
according to the table from (3) which is based on data (4)
1.) China - 1.898.600
2.) US - 1.480.646
3.) Germany - 1.473.889
Conclusion:
IRONY_ON
Yeah, it's totally transparent to me, germany does really not sell anything!
IRONY_OFF
Germany does export many things, however not much on such low level things like raw steel.
Further conclusion, divide the export numbers and the amount of population, and you will recognize the efficiency gap.
1.) China - 1.366.040.000
2.) USA - 317.238.626
3.) Germany - 80.760.000
(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
(2) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...
(3) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...
(4) http://stat.wto.org/Statistica...
Because, like it or not, the "modern" production works or is at least wished to work with small human interaction.
The general wish is that you can do Enterprise Resource Planning(1) (SAP/R3 & Oracle for example). That you can modell your whole value added chain into such a system.
Also these ERPs can do a process simulation with alteration of certain factors, this helps the "gold collars" to make a choice not soley based on their gut feeling.
- yes many times these models are far from reallity and SAP & Oracle is a pain in the ass if you have dumb integrators -
(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...
1.) "is the one that cannot be accessed by any human being"
- virtual or physical -
So the answer what real secure system (composed of human, machine or both) you have in mind is. none.
You need people or machines to built things, there you go again, you implement the human factor from the start.
And your approach just points out the fact that nothing is 100% safe. This thought is so utterly flat as it is true, but it does not offer any train thought which steps to undertake to at least increase the security.
2.) We will see more failiures that big in the future as the buzzword "industry 4.0" is coined. Due to the approach of interconnecting each and everything, all your lamenting does not stop anyone from doing it.
If you cannot stop or deflect a movement, at least try to alter the movement.
3.) "Why was this allowed?"
Because your typically ERP System SAP & Oracle to name the big to be frail twins does exactly this. It interconnects production, accounting, document maangement, it can control your whole material workflow.
All on the same system.
Yes, this is a weakness, gain access to SAP-accounts with acting power and you can make a factory start order and producing tons of bullshit.
4.) "Black hats could do a LOT more harm than they have so far"
Good lord, another one of those general thoughts.
- suicide bombers certainly don't fear the death, so death penalty for suicide bombers is a bad idea.
5.) the best approach to in an insecure world is to start asking the "what can possibly go wrong" and "how can we prevent the risk" and "how can we mitigate the consequences" questions
In engineering this is called an FMEA(1) and this works for computer security too. Because it does take the human factor into account.
(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...
Better we hop to the year 2015 and use more of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...
That's the solution create an interconnected web of wlan and lan routes - also long ranges - freenet has some nice routing algorithms, and tons of encryption, now it just must be ported away from java.
It won't be that fast, but I think fast enough.
But Light can be reflected!
Stop hitting yourself, it's only c/2 fast but I think anybody can hardly dodge this!
If you say he is wrong, please deliver arguments that support your reasoning.
But i will argument against your points - btw. I might not be windbourne but I do work with wind for profit & because I want to see renewables to succeed ;) - just in case you want to refrain from argueing and want to short cut by just saying that I'm just a disbeliever - I like to work on arguments and logical reasoning.
1.) nat gas -> oil
This is basically on it's wide extreme step not a favourable choice, because you are replacing a fossil fuel with a fossil fuel.
Yes those natural gas plants might have a higher effeciency but only if you generate electricity+heat within a connected process. If you just fire up gas turbines to counter act missing power within the grid, your effeciency plummets.
Yes natural gas burns better than coal leaving not that many pollutants, however the "modern" (mid. 90s) filter systems for coal powered plants are just good enough.
2.) convert coal into natural gas
Yes it does work - meaning you can do this, the feasability is on another page.
The question remains, that you need to answer, if can you please lay out to me that the process your propose, has a positive energy balance ?
Because if your chemical reformation process costs that much energy, that your gain through the higher efficiency of burning natural gas is compensated, it is logical to burn coal but use modern filter technology on the exhaust.
But with the same argument you can continue using oil, because you can reprocess oil also to produce natural gas.
3.) Natural gas for cars, good only to prevent the pollution - except CO2 - and leaving out all the reprocessing that needs to be done, to use it as a fuel, those "energy costs" are mostly not written on the balance sheet. Compressing, cooling and storing cooled gases are using up huge amounts of energy.
The recent developments in gas and diesel engines are enormous, filtering systems, catalizers injected into the exhaust, efficient motor control, hybrid.
From the efficiency POV 10 yrs. ago natural gas was better than gas and diesel, but today it's superseded..
4.) the best solution is mostly the midway, using fossil fuels as long as we have those at our disposal as carefully as possible , switch more and more over to renewables and use natural gas. as a buffer (quick starting power plants - because yes there is a statistical short term jitter within renewable production, long term can be planned, - spring, summer, autum, winter are known to man kind for quite a time - and weather forecast gets better and better).
A very dirty thought but that kind of selfie stick I thought off and the phone attached to one share a common feature ..
bzzzzzz bzzzzzz bzzzzzzz bzzzzzzz bzzzzzzz
Nokia says: People at Microsoft don't outlaw pens.
Finland says: Pens are a very dangerous weapon in the wrong hands.
I say: People will get problems when throwing a cultural heritage over board. Especially that many neurological studies show a direct link between motion training, creativity and intelligence.
"deponised" yes made it up, tried to find a relative to the word of my language, it means putting it in a contained landfill.
Working safety is an issue, but chemicals can be handled correctly and processes can be done safe. Except for like mining uranium ore in massive above ground areas.
And I know that you don't really care, because you have most likely used a samsung display (everybody uses samsung panels, just crack your tft open) to write that.