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South Korea Bans Selfie-Stick Sales

Rambo Tribble writes "South Korea has instituted large fines for selling unregistered "selfie-sticks". The problem arises because many of the devices are using Bluetooth radio spectrum, and must be certified to do so legally. Expressing doubts that the regulations and stiff fines will influence sales, one official said of them, "It's not going to affect anything in any meaningful way, but it is nonetheless a telecommunication device subject to regulation, and that means we are obligated to crack down on uncertified ones."

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  1. Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Selfie-sticks? Can we please just exterminate the selfie generation and start over?

    1. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      KA--REN GiLL-AN WiLL BE EX-TERM-i-NAT-ED.

    2. Re:Fuuuuuck by wiredlogic · · Score: 0

      These are for doing group shots without leaving the camera-person out. Not such a bad idea for times when you can't find someone else to operate the camera.

      (Side note: spellcheck suggestions for cameraperson; "camera person", "camera-person", "camerawomen". Have a penis? No camera for you.)

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    3. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You do know that a spell checker is not a thesaurus, right?

    4. Re:Fuuuuuck by Pentium100 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Some of my old film cameras have a feature where I can press a button and then the camera takes a picture after some time - usually long enough for me to get back in front of the camera.

    5. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's the price we pay for having equally eye-rolling habits and devices when we were young.

    6. Re:Fuuuuuck by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      I always just use 'photon capture technician' and put up with the weird looks. 'Photon capture specialist' if the person can't put the damn camera down.

    7. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These are for doing group shots without leaving the camera-person out

      Uhh.... this problem was solved around 60 or 70 years before the invention of the smartphone, by a little thing called a delay timer. Even modern digital cameras and phones have them.

      Captcha: "annoyed".

    8. Re:Fuuuuuck by bjohnson · · Score: 0

      Of course, your old school film camera just hovered there in mid-air when using this mysterious 'timer' feature, right?

    9. Re:Fuuuuuck by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      Some of my old film cameras have a feature where I can press a button and then the camera takes a picture after some time - usually long enough for me to get back in front of the camera.

      You will find one other exciting feature on that old film camera that is lacking on most smartphones: a flat edge to allow it to sit steadily pointed at the subject. Try doing that with a new iPhone 6 and you are gonna have a bad time. So it's either haul around an awkward tiny tripod that clamps on to the phone, or use the aforementioned "Selfie stick". Why is that so hard to cope with for so many slashdotters?

    10. Re: Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The selfie is for quick off the cuff photos with your friends. Yes, I can find a place for my phone to sit. Move my friends so that the shot lines up. Set a self timer. Run around and pose. Then go get the camera and make sure it looked good. If it didn't, start over from the beginning.

      Alternatively I can switch my camera to front facing. Hold it out. Frame it exactly how I want, then press my volume key and take a snap.

    11. Re:Fuuuuuck by jandrese · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are times when there is just isn't anybody else around to take the picture. (second photo).

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    12. Re: Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hold it out. Frame it exactly how I want, then press my volume key and take a snap.

      ... and look like a complete tool because your forearm and/or "selfie stick" is in the frame, and propping your camera on something is too difficult for people raised on Facebook.

    13. Re:Fuuuuuck by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1
    14. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but those people are doing things I don't like to do with technology I personally have no use for! Fuck them!

    15. Re: Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most selfies that I have are of this type. One on a cliff overlooking a lake, one on Lake Michigan in the middle of a horrible New Year's Eve snowstorm with icebergs. The most common response I receive is "who took the photo?"

      Most people know that I am a loner, so I usually just giggle at the question, rather than responding with "a wall", "a tree" or "pile of snow".

      Two secrets: one, frame your shot. Look at the layout, imagine the photo, etc.
      Two is simply a rule of photography: take as many photos as possible, discard the bad ones. It's not just using a timer. It's using a timer in burst mode.

    16. Re:Fuuuuuck by wcrowe · · Score: 1

      Regarding "cameraperson". Perhaps the word you're looking for is photographer. Cameraperson sounds more like someone in the television or film industry.

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    17. Re:Fuuuuuck by AK+Marc · · Score: 0

      Most cases square out the phone. If your worry is not being able to set it on its side, I think that plenty of cases can fix your problem without having to throw away your expensive new camera.

    18. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, in other words, your "selfie stick" was called a "tripod"?

    19. Re:Fuuuuuck by Frnknstn · · Score: 1

      You do know a spellchecker is for spelling, right? As in it's hard to misspell camera-man as cameraperson, while at lease camerawoman has the same number of letters?

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    20. Re:Fuuuuuck by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

      Already in the works, though Hulu picked up the episodes that won't be aired.

    21. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Yes, that must be how it worked. Those countless photos taken with auto timers without somebody's forearm stuck into the frame. All taken with hovering cameras. Because clearly there is no other way.

    22. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In this day and age, there should be no distinction. Also, how else do you explain the obvious feminist agenda here?

    23. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, elite SJW, he was looking for cameraMAN.

    24. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know a spellchecker is for spelling, right

      while at lease camerawoman

      Apparently you don't either.

    25. Re:Fuuuuuck by lgw · · Score: 4, Informative

      "-man" as a suffix is gender neutral, usually. "-person" etc just misunderstand the etymology.

      The old English roots are:
      * "man", meaning roughly "human", any age or sex
      * "wer", adult male (survives in a few words like virile and werewolf)
      * "wif", adult female (of any marital status)

      Over time we lost the male-specific word, with "man" doing double-duty for male and neuter meanings, while the original meaning of "wif" became "wif-man" became "woman".

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    26. Re:Fuuuuuck by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 1

      All those words are correctly spelt. A spell checker won't help.

    27. Re:Fuuuuuck by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      No problem setting my phone down on its side to take a photo, but for timer shots I much prefer my DSLR - much better glass and better photos.

      What aggravates me are photos taken by people who can't (won't, don't) turn the damned phone sideways to take a photo or shoot video. I'm tired of seeing tall narrow photos and tall narrow videos.

    28. Re: Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry. I fell asleep half a sentence after "sex." I was already dozing, but that word kept me awake for an extra second.

    29. Re: Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two is simply a rule of photography: take as many photos as possible, discard the bad ones.

      AKA "spray and pray." There's a reason all serious photographers (hobbyist or professional) scoff at this technique. If you spend the time and effort to understand and practice good composition, you're much more likely to get a great shot by properly composing and taking a single frame, than by motor driving and sorting through dozens of crappy shots.

      Limiting yourself to a single (or very few) frame per shot is difficult at first and takes practice; in the digital era, one of the best ways to teach students the importance of composition is to hand them a film camera with a single roll, or force them to take a "roll" of only 24 or 36 digital shots. The reward will eventually show in the quality of composition. The spray and pray artist will never get there.

    30. Re:Fuuuuuck by schnell · · Score: 5, Interesting

      * "wer", adult male (survives in a few words like virile and werewolf)

      (Puts on pedantic hat.) You are correct that the Germanic/Old English "were" survives in words like "werewolf" and, for Tolkien fans only, "weregild" (as in "This I will have as weregild for my father's death" from the Silmarillion).

      "Virile," however, comes from the Latin "virilis" via French. They are kinda sorta related but not really.

      This is a gross oversimplification as any language scholar can tell you, but a fun exercise for any English language speaker is to study the roots of common "vulgar" vs. "high-class" words and find that their roots map very closely to Latin vs. Germanic. Old English was - once the native Celts and Romano-Britons had been displaced - largely a relic of its "Germanic" (Angles, Saxons, Jutes) conquerors and the language of the people. After the Norman Conquest in 1066 (Normans "Nord-mann" being transplanted Vikings who learned French) the language of the nobility in England became French (which was based on Latin) for hundreds of years. While over time the two melded together, you can still (again, oversimplifying) in many cases tell the upper-class terms for things (derived from French/Latin) from the lower-class terms for things (derived from Old English/Germanic). For example:

      • Lower-class English term: shit (viz. German scheisse); upper-class English term: excrement (viz. French excrement)
      • Lower-class English term: house (viz. German haus); upper-class English term: mansion (viz. French maison)

      It doesn't hold true in all cases but it is in general a pretty fascinating window into the evolution of the English language, FWIW.

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    31. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as we take out all those filthy Koreans

    32. Re:Fuuuuuck by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      the sticks aren't subject to regulation
      it's the bt remote that they're sold with that is.

      and in asia, there's sellers now on every tourist street for those. I suspect it's not so much as needing regulation though for the sake of electronics emissions as it is for weeding out the clone makers.

      you see, you can buy the exact same thing for couple of bucks OR you can pay fifty bucks for it the exact same thing!

      (do you even need certification for bluetooth? huh? it's just off the shelf chip.)

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    33. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey your generation is the one who is so damn obsessed with it as a moral panic.

    34. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet having a stylus that folds out could provide nice mini tripod and fix the fat finger problem at the same time. I wonder if it is patented yet.

    35. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You look like an adobe excrement mansion, honey.

    36. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course you need to certify for compliance to the specification. You don't imagine the gains one would have from conterfeiting this certification. We must act before everyone buys a hundred masks and bake some wafers in some shady foundry.

    37. Re: Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. It also fired heat-rays.

    38. Re: Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of them don't realize that their phone has two cameras. One is pretty much only there so that you don't need to take a picture of yourself looking at your phone while pointing it at a mirror.

    39. Re: Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I see your point, but I feel I need to bring something to your attention. I was talking about selfies.

      Spray and pray is perfectly acceptable.

      I will heed your advice if I am ever in a war zone, or see a pretty sunset, thank you, sir. Good day.

    40. Re:Fuuuuuck by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      and, for Tolkien fans only, "weregild" (as in "This I will have as weregild for my father's death"

      Or Norse/Germanic mythology, from which Tolkien wasn't too shy about generously "sampling".

    41. Re: Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *spelled. ;)

    42. Re:Fuuuuuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would make a good Dalek. Exterminate! Exterminate! Exterminate!

    43. Re: Fuuuuuck by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Depends on where you live. "Spelt" isn't usually considered correct US usage, but there are other places where they speak English.

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  2. Curious... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    Does South Korea's regulatory framework not allow for the (wildly common in devices where low cost is more important than seriously tight integration) situation where a vendor produces a wireless module, gets that certified and approved, and then someone who doesn't want to deal with the hassle just embeds the unmodified module in their product? Or do they have that; but also have a market composed of 96.83% totally unlicensed chinese mystery modules that may be emitting just about anything and probably are?

    1. Re:Curious... by plover · · Score: 1

      I think South Korea's regulatory framework requires a shitload of money be paid to the government to sell your devices. This extortion is clad in the veil of "regulations".

      Notice how you are guilty if it is an "unregistered" device, not a "non-compliant" device. That's the trademark of government corruption.

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    2. Re:Curious... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Amd in what regard is that different to the EU, the US or Japan or Australia or China?

      Hint look on your phone, it has an FC / CE sign!

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    3. Re:Curious... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They do allow for type certification, but still generally require each product to be tested to make sure the manufacturer didn't do something stupid like try to solder an external antenna onto a module that's only supposed to use a PCB antenna. It costs a lot less than getting full certification for your own design.

      The other problem is that most of these things were imported from China and never certified for Korea. Maybe they use different 2.4GHz bands to other countries, I don't know, but TFA says they are causing problems. It's a global problem - you can buy all sorts of stuff off eBay or AliExpress or DealExtreme that will stop 433MHz car keyfobs or 869MHz baby monitors from working because it wasn't designed or certified for use in Europe or whatever.

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    4. Re:Curious... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the clarification: do you know if the type certification can be handled as part of the process you'd go through for a Part 15 'incidental radiator' (or local equivalent) or does having an active radio, even a pre-approved module just tacked on to an internal USB or serial header or similar, always mean greater scrutiny than a mere electronic device?

      There certainly is some terrifying dodgy stuff on the market(you don't even have to fleabay it yourself, plenty of the slightly downmarket stuff in your average big box store or mall may or may not have been properly looked over, 900MHz analog baby monitors used to be great fun, along with analog video blasters).

      I'd also be curious to know if South Korea's location makes them more nervous than usual. I've been told that the Israelis' FCC-alike can be pretty sensitive because the country is hours from people who hate their guts on essentially all sides, so if a device might interfere with radar systems that is considered to be A Problem. Korea at least only has a major problem in one direction; but there may well be some RF gear that is taken pretty seriously because of that.

    5. Re:Curious... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I don't have details I'm afraid, I only heard about it when one of our products was certified for Korea.

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  3. some kind of masturbation aid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a selfie stick. You stick it up yourself!

    1. Re:some kind of masturbation aid? by QRDeNameland · · Score: 1

      My first thought was: "Selfie stick? Is that new slang for a dildo?"

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  4. Selfie Stick? by Bigbutt · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those of us who don't know, a "selfie stick" is just a long pole or boom with a mount for a phone so you can take a picture from farther away or without the phone being in the picture.

    I've seen them mostly for folks riding on the dirt where they have a GoPro or something on the end and are taking shots of the front of the vehicle zooming through the dirt.

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    1. Re:Selfie Stick? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      In this case, it is a a long pole including a bluetooth trigger to take the picture.

    2. Re:Selfie Stick? by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      Ahh, that explains the regulatory issues. Thanks.

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    3. Re:Selfie Stick? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Why not just have a mechanical trigger? squeeze the grip at the end you're holding it on, and a mechanical finger is moved to press the camera button on the screen. Should be pretty easy to build different ones that automatically line up for popular phone types, or make an adjustable one that can handle a variety of phones.

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    4. Re:Selfie Stick? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Why not just have a mechanical trigger?

      1. Cost
      2. Reliability

    5. Re:Selfie Stick? by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 1

      Or you could use Bluetooth, and you wouldn't need a different design for each phone.

    6. Re:Selfie Stick? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Well, not really. I was looking to see what might be causing the government concern. I started at the top of my decision analysis tree with the first node, "Remember: Government just wants your money." If yes, done.

      So, done.

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    7. Re:Selfie Stick? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      what they do is they sell the selfie stick with one of these http://www.fasttech.com/produc...

      the box for this device is in the place where the phone is going to be and they walk around tourist streets selling them.

      saw them last week in bangkok. I did not see them the last time I went to bangkok ~6 months ago, but last week they seemed pretty popular.

      now you can buy the exact same device("certified) for 40-60 bucks if you want, but why would you? it's just a bluetooth button. it's bluetooth because that way it works with every smartphone (android/ios) easily, has no cords to attach, no different model for different shutter button placement...

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    8. Re:Selfie Stick? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And 3. The other way would be fucking retarded.

    9. Re:Selfie Stick? by Desirsar · · Score: 1

      Because you can't get one of those extend-y grabby arm toys at Target or Walmart for $10? Some of those can take decades of abuse and still work. Hell, you could probably build the thing yourself using those parts, but I'd rather pay someone else to do it.

      Far more likely that it's been patented, not in production from the holder of said patent, and no one wants to pay the licensing.

  5. so that's what those are .... by nblender · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought they were 'under-skirt sticks'...

  6. better left to the privacy of the bedroom by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    rebranded as walking canes, suitable for thrashing uncultured young whelps that insist on annoying their elders by taking selfies everywhere.

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  7. Misleading Headline... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Selfie sticks are not banned in South Korea as the title claims. As the summary goes on to explain, the sale of the devices is regulated which does not in any way constitute a 'ban'.

    1. Re:Misleading Headline... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So "banned if bribe not sufficiently high (aka licensing fee)". Better?

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    2. Re: Misleading Headline... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Fat and retarded, ok. But you take that American back this very instant!

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  8. How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by jtara · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How is this different from ANY unregistered/knockoff/Chinese copy Bluetooth device? Why suddenly the issue with "selfie sticks"?

    What a pain, though, to have to register in each country. Why, I'm shocked, shocked, that FCC registration is not enough. ;)

    (OK, SRSLY, assume EU has some common registration. But how do smaller countries deal with this? Are there other region-wide registrations other than EU?)

    Or is it that Selfie Sticks are just so wildly popular that suddenly this has become some sort of problem? I'd assume that by next Christmas, this will be a non-issue, as South Koreans will all be hopping on 500mbit/sec pogo sticks.

    1. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or is it that Selfie Sticks are just so wildly popular that suddenly this has become some sort of problem?

      From the summary and a skim of the article, it's just that this is a Bluetooth device that has not gone through the proper registration for South Korea.

      "It's not going to affect anything in any meaningful way, but it is nonetheless a telecommunication device subject to regulation, and that means we are obligated to crack down on uncertified ones."

      By all apparent expectations, it is harmless and not strong enough to interfere with anyone else's systems. Despite that, South Korea actually tries to follow their own laws, and selling an unapproved device that includes an active EM signal is illegal.

    2. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Why suddenly the issue with "selfie sticks"?

      And Bluetooth too - the 30' menace. When it doesn't make sense on a technology level, look at politics.

      Probably super-cheap Bluetooth electronics are becoming popular, and the last thing you want to do is to have people realize that they don't need to be regulated by a government. So, you need to launch a crackdown operation, but you do it to a group that has very little political power, so you don't have to catch hell from your boss when you crack down on some thing that he uses.

      In this case, one presumes that the median age of the selfie stick users is well under 30 and for the bureaucrats near 50, so the selfie-stick users are an easy target as an 'out group' for a political action by the 'in group'.

      Chimps do the same thing - it's only the details that differ.

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    3. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Does it affect businesses? No.
      Does it affect the boomer generation? No.
      Ok, crack down on it.

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    4. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by dj245 · · Score: 2

      But how do smaller countries deal with this? Are there other region-wide registrations other than EU?)

      Smaller countries often take different approaches. Small countries next door to a large country may adopt the larger country's standard; especially if they get most of their imports from or through that larger country. For example, Bermuda accepts either US or Canada approval, but you still need to register with Bermuda. Enforecement is typically weak in countries like that because the equipment is probably coming through the US or Canada anyhow.

      Some countries are "anything goes" because it hasn't become a problem.

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    5. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by PPH · · Score: 1

      And Bluetooth too - the 30' menace.

      How do you know it only has a 30' range? These things being untested/uncertified and all.

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    6. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing someone in SK wants to corner this lucrative market and they're using their connections to get rid of the competition.

      In the SK there is no difference between business and government. 5 companies control 90% of the economy and said companies unashamedly own the SK govt. (Look up the term Chaebol for some eye-opening insight about how business and governance in SK really works)

      You're right. The largely unregulated flow of unregistered electronics coming from China pervades /all/ developed countries. Those CE and FCC marks are nearly always fake. Most people don't care, though, because everyone likes cheap goods and for the most part they're not really a genuine safety hazard or a serious interference problem.

      Just remember, in the SK when the government acts somewhere one of the Chaebol is pulling a string.

    7. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Koreans are basically chimps. Try living there a few years and you'll see.

    8. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      , and the last thing you want to do is to have people realize that they don't need to be regulated by a government. So, you need to launch a crackdown operation

      Or they are protecting consumers from rogue devices that either jam/interfere with other signals whether intentionally or unintentionally. Not all regulation is evil.

    9. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got ditched by a Korean girl eh?

    10. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      These things being untested/uncertified and all.

      I'd bet they were tested many times in development (or are a re-package of a licensed device). They just weren't tested by the officials. It's like Marijuana in the US. It was legal, but needed a tax stamp. It's all about the tax stamp, not the "safety" of it.

    11. Re: How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's exactly how the South Korean government works, dominated by the interests of the Boomer generation, which is an American thing.

      You're so fucking dumb it hurts my head to think about it.

    12. Re: How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True that there's no baby boom generation typical to South Korea, but the Boomer generation is not an "American thing". It was measurable in many countries involved in WWII; The UK, Canada, France, Italy, Germany, etc.

    13. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by Euler · · Score: 1

      Maybe yes, but probably no. Just getting the Bluetooth chipset to work is probably not that hard. RF testing is expensive and complicated. So it is unlikely that testing went beyond a basic functionality test. It is unlikely that any testing is done by rogue vendors to measure radiated power, frequency spectrum. Furthermore, certified designs take into account failure modes from contamination, vibration, production variation, etc. In the case of intentional transmitters like this, a failure mode could exist that would grossly emit interference.

    14. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      the chips are the same chips with same antenna pattern as any other bluetooth device using the same chip.

      there's probably one original manufacturer for this, selling it at 500% profit margin, and complained to authorities selling unlicensed devices.

      what it is, is a micro and off the shelf bluetooth chip/module. it's essentially a two button wireless keyboard. the bluetooth keyboards sold at the stalls all over south east asia are not certified any more than they are(and really, for these devices you can just declare as the manufacturer that you tested it, usually. and pay bluetoogh sig 10k for the logo.).

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    15. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by Zanadou · · Score: 1

      Or is it that Selfie Sticks are just so wildly popular that suddenly this has become some sort of problem?

      Yes.

    16. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Maybe yes, but probably no. Just getting the Bluetooth chipset to work is probably not that hard. RF testing is expensive and complicated.

      They won't have done any testing worth mentioning. But they also won't have done their own design, so they might well produce something noisy but it won't have long range.

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    17. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      And Bluetooth too - the 30' menace.

      How do you know it only has a 30' range? These things being untested/uncertified and all.

      How much power do you think they put in these things? My bet would be the minimum possible and also the cheapest. You're probably lucky to get 30' out of it.

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    18. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by PPH · · Score: 1

      the chips are the same chips with same antenna pattern as any other bluetooth device using the same chip.

      Possibly. These things were probably built based on the chip manufacturer's reference design. If so, it might be pretty easy to certify the new product by similarity* to others already tested. If S. Korea will approve devices based on thhis, it raaises the question of why the Selfie-Stick manufacturer didn't just submit the paperwork.

      *Often times, RF module vendors sell 'pre-certified' boards so hobbyists and small manufacturers have minimal or no additional work to do to operate their device legally.

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    19. Re:How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by Desirsar · · Score: 1

      That's why the first article we saw a few weeks ago was "South Korean hospitals and air traffic control plagued by Bluetooth interference from selfie-sticks!"

      Oh, wait, we didn't see that, and never will. You can file this one in the same folder with taxi medallions and Uber - regulation to protect a taxed industry from an untaxed competitor under the guise of "public benefit."

    20. Re: How is this specific to Selfie Sticks? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Not the point. If your neighbor had a Bluetooth device using 5xe allowed transmit power, you couldn't even use your own equipment properly.

  9. We had that in the UK by Threni · · Score: 2

    You could buy all sorts of devices to plug into your phone line, back when we had a clueless government monopoly running the phone system. Some had green stickers saying "this is good" and some had red triangles warning that it could not be connected to your phone system. Absolutely nobody gave a shit about the stickers and plugged whatever they wanted into their phone system. Eventually the stickers went away.

  10. Only UNREGULATED devices are banned by jfbilodeau · · Score: 1

    Misleading title. From TFA:

    "Because they use Bluetooth, the devices are considered to be a "telecommunication device" and must be tested and registered with the South Korean agency that oversees such gadgets, an official at the Central Radio Management Office told the AFP newswire."

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  11. Not banned... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    REGULATED. there is a difference. and they're basically just enforcing laws on the books already that prohibit uncertified wireless devices.

    #justanotherinaccurateoversensationalizedheadlineonslashdot

    1. Re:Not banned... by wcrowe · · Score: 1

      Exactly. ZOMG! Something has been banned! It's like every slashdot article is clickbait these days.

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  12. Just got back from Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The Asian tourists were using these like crazy, often stopping right in the middle of crowded places like La Rambla in Barcelona and just shoving the stick straight out in front of people. I had never seen them until 2 weeks ago but gave some consideration to snapping at least one on half after being damn near smacked in the face.

    1. Re:Just got back from Europe by Desirsar · · Score: 1

      Sounds like an excellent opportunity for photobombing. Hell, they can't even ask you to stop being less rude in public than they're being. Hadn't really thought of this before this article, so thanks, now I have a plan!

  13. It's all about the Won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't let the "ban" fool you. This has nothing to do with bluetooth technology - that's only the legal loophole being used. Since the selca-bong or selfie sticks came on the scene, they've exploded in the retail sector - but stores missed the boat and street venders have made a killing in sales. Sometimes selling cheap Chinese manufactured devices for as much as W30,000 (about US$30). Seeing that they missed the boat, the big box retailers pushed the regulators to crack down on "illegal" sticks. This is all an attempt to get the monopods sold in chaebol owned stores.

  14. 2nd thought - erotic selfie sticks ? by burni2 · · Score: 1

    A very dirty thought but that kind of selfie stick I thought off and the phone attached to one share a common feature ..

    bzzzzzz bzzzzzz bzzzzzzz bzzzzzzz bzzzzzzz

  15. Gravity by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1, Troll

    Hmm. We need something to stop the camera from falling to the ground.... A wall perhaps. A table. A chair, or perhaps a rock.

    If you want to get serious you can always use a tripod but that's for geeky people. I guess that these things don't exist in the selfie world.

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    1. Re:Gravity by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Hmm. We need something to stop the camera from falling to the ground.... A wall perhaps. A table. A chair, or perhaps a rock.

      If you want to get serious you can always use a tripod but that's for geeky people. I guess that these things don't exist in the selfie world.

      The days where people dared to trust strangers enough to ask them to take a picture are also long gone.

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  16. Bluetooth by phorm · · Score: 1

    This seems odd to me. Is bluetooth not an accepted standard in Korea?

    The sticks themselves are just an extensible pole with a clip that can be adjusted to hold most cellular phones, no radio at all.
    They commonly come with a little bluetooth remote that can be used to activate the camera. It's not using any frequency that any other bluetooth device wouldn't, and would be less bandwidth than - for example - some bluetooth headphones running AD2P streaming.

    1. Re:Bluetooth by lindseyp · · Score: 1

      Yes, and as such every device must be certified to attest compliance to the standard.

      They're cracking down on cheap non-certified sticks from China.

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    2. Re:Bluetooth by phorm · · Score: 1

      That makes more sense. I'm fairly sure that "uncertified devices" goes way beyond bluetooth selfie remotes though... but low-hanging fruit I suppose.

  17. thank apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the irony is that bluetooth is a more open way to interface hardware to software running on iOS than the fricking port on the bottom of the device. if apple didn't wall-off access to that port then we wouldn't need to be using microwave radio to send an electrical signal 5 cm.

  18. Should be named the narcissistick by Midnight_Poet · · Score: 1

    I didn't even know this was a thing until today. I feel old.

  19. Selfie-Stick or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Narcisstick...

  20. It's a good thing... by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    the government is out there looking out for us.

  21. What's the Korean word for.... by TrentTheThief · · Score: 1

    "Fucking waste of money"

    I understand the motivation behind this, but the proliferation of cheap chips and the rise of the kitchen table chip hacker is putting paid to any particular organization attempting to control what happens to chips that anyone can buy damned near anywhere. They might find and close some small shops, but ultimately, I believe that they are only participating an expensive form of mental masturbation.

    There are millions and millions of teens and 20-somethings creating demand for this item. The SK gov't is surely lacking in aggregate mental power if they have concluded that it would be possible to stop the production of the sticks in Korea, or anywhere else for that matter, or to stop their import in shirt pockets and purses, let alone bulk imports from container ships.

    Korea will have less success stopping selfie sticks than any country has ever had at stopping people from smoking a weed that grows _everywhere_ except the arctic tundra and Antarctica.

    Korea: Be rational, spend the money on something useful, not a meaningless crusade.

    Selfie-Sticks==Drugs for narcissistic kids.

  22. Selfies are easier to aim than timer pictures by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Selfies taken with front-facing cameras let you aim the camera for exactly the angle you want, as opposed to setting the timer and guessing. The catch, of course, is that you're limited by the length of your arm, and by having your arm in the picture unless you want the camera really close, so selfie-sticks give you more compositional flexibility. They're still annoying, of course, but if you want your picture in front of Mt. Rushmore, you want it.

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