News programs all over the world are starting writing about the Microsoft email but also about Kerberos modifications made by Microsoft. They posted a "trade secret" freely and easily available on the net which has already been ruled as not been a trade secret. You fight for the freedom of speech against them as they are defending their freedom to innovate, which is really demonstrated in this case by extending a MIT developed protocol to their own use.
You just can't talk about not knowing what you will do next. You will fight till death against that, right ?
I am very disappointed. From an internet newspaper on a computer industry issue, the uses of "one that would sell personal computer operating systems, the brains that run PCs" and "the Windows operating system's "desktop," the area of the computer screen that is seen when programs are not running" are frankly outdated.
Notice also the use of "Microsoft used access to the applications programming interfaces in a discriminatory fashion" without any explanations.
I would have like to see Microsoft will allow the OEM to let them load anything they want inside the MBR and see how they would have explain what it is.
And what about all those sites we all have seen the last years telling people it's better to have a closed source OS like Windows against hackers and using Linux is completely unsecure because the source is available to all of them (hi Joe).
The Linux community has suffer a long time from those attacks and even if they were all the time false, people loved writing it and preaching ITs to buy more copies of NT.
I thing it's fair to write articles NOW about what is right and not.
And if you think this story is not true, I still would like to know why Microsoft send an email to all its MSCE asking them to delete a dll file (we are talking about millions of emails).
If you blame Slashdot for linking to false informations, well you should blame first those who write the article: "Wall Street Journal" and Microsoft for helping spreading this news to all over the world.
Most Slashdot user are Linux/Unix/BSD users who don't want to buy eternally upgrades that looks more like a patch than a real new version. They want controls on what learn and use. They want the freedom Microsoft products will never give them. If you don't want your freedom and still want to follow the ruler, don't take our right to defend our opinion.
When few days would be needed to find such backdoor on Apache (and OSS in general) it took them 4 years to find it. The real question is: Does someone is analysing the Windows source code? If you are a MSCE, well you just have to hope they do because you won't be able to...
There is now 100 times more Linux users than OS/2 users.
Linux is open source and will never die like OS/2 since no one need to pull it off in order to satisfy M$.
Linux will succed and get more market share than M$ Window$, because its an open standard that will always be free not like all commercial OS.
We will start to see more apps written for this compatibility layer until Linux get more market share than MS. At this point, soft. corps. will start to code for Qt and maybe a GTK if a Windows version appears.
The real question is "Will we still have to use closed standards ?".
In this computer age we are seeing technologies shifting from hardware to software based. Where twenty years earlier we would have use tape or LP players, we are now decoding bytes of informations to listen to MP3 files. When it was very difficult to an individual to create such devices, we are now all able to duplicate them in a mouse click or recreate them by reading to their desassemblied code.
Duplicate or reverse-engine a program are both illegal. But watching movies or listening to musics are the principal mankind entertainment activities that are now possible by software on any hardware. We are not more tied to buy specific products designed for one task, we have computer that run any software, some written instructions capable of anything.
The cracker actions are to make sure we won't have to pay for something we don't have to. The CSS protection is only here to make sure DVDs are not anymore some video files playable in a standard way (MPEG2) but video files you have to pay for a way to play them. We still have to buy some computer hardware: DVD-ROM for videos and/or CD-ROM for audio. But where we were able to listen easily to our audio CDs, we have to buy software to watch DVDs.
In the way (common) people are tied with Window$ those days, we are tied to pay to play videos. Maybe the way (some) people still to pay for an OS explain the conduct of some corporation and industry.
In twenty years, after 10 to 15 more new Windows releases, ALL (left) people will be tired to update or buy it with each new computer and will understand why open source OS and software IS the only way. Linux and all the BSDs will gain the momentum and the market share they deserve, that is 100%.
We will all remember the way all those DVD crakers have fought to bring open source DVD software, to open standards to mankind and we will all value them for what we will enjoy, free and open knowledge.
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In concern to Microsoft tying products with Windows and if I were the judges ruling this case, I would enforce the obligation to Microsoft not to include anyfull version of their products but some more tiny and limited.
I see no objection to see Windows tied with Internet Explorer 2, a simple web browser with partial HTML3 support. Every Windows user would have access to Internet in order to download/buy the latest version of Netscape or IE.
In the case of technology and standards(Java, Kerberos...), I would oblige Microsoft not to create any derivated versions (ie "embrase and extend") and to buy the licenses/pay royalties (if any) to include a fully standard version without any incompatibilities with existing implementation.
The relationship with all the OEM should be fair. A same price, no special deduction if they include a Microsoft software instead of someone else and no OEM revocation if they don't follow Microsoft directives like installing a boot manager in the MBR to load alternative OS loaded beside Windows.
I am an expert in Latin Pig translation, Here is mine:
There is a 1.6 version of Python in alpha. In addition, they have a schedule for future releases and some warnings about code breakage expected with those releases. It looks like the documentation will lag the releases a bit. "Apparently, it will breaks some code. The release notes describe them as "folklore APIs (that were never documented or endorsed but nevertheless were accepted and in common use)." The notes on 1.6 also lay out any ambitous roadmap toward Python 3000.
Sony has make a product that some people (journalist, MPAA...) would call it illegal. So they have to do something, just to prove to everyone:
Their product works fine
There was a problem in older models but the new one have been patched
They tried to correct the problem in the older version
Their image is safe.
But what about the cost of the operation? Do you remember who invented the CD? Right, Sony. They just pay the manufacturing cost without any margins (if they don't "clean" some cash in the operation, paying some company they own to do the job).
They will make 1.25M CDs for 5 cents each (or less). CD cost: $62,500 without shipping.
Based on the US price (33 cents), shipping cost: $412,500.
Total: $475,000
Question: was is $475,000 for Sony? Less than a one minute phone call, for all of us.
In country like France you can buy since DVD Day 1 a non-region enforcing DVD player in all appliance store because restraining region products are not welcome.
It seems that large country with a big movie business are more able to protect their people from seeing foreign movies. Or is it to protect this industry and define what their people have the right to see or not?
Don't forget that American movies are shown in Europe and Asia. If they have overthere a good movie industry (with a lot of DVD/VHS export and lot of movies), their people will not see American movies. That's why region blocking are not allowed by WTO but "enforced" in USA.
Now I would like to know if they have sign a deal with some Linux corps (RedHat, Suse, Debian...) or *BSD groups to distribute their distros with VMWare for NT.
Maybe this new deal keep them from distributing another OS ???
I am sorry, I had no clue what so ever about it. I did take a look at the TSR page to prove I was right (before seeing those comments) and I felt on my knees. I read a little on the WoC website that they acquiered TSR in 1997 and Hasbro bought WoC last september. This is the corporate world, the bigger eat everyone. This do not surprise me after seeing Microsoft succeed.
What the hell Wizard of Coast has to do with Dungeons & Dragons. It's TSR the editors of the games. Wizard of Coast is making "Magic" trading card series and has nothing to do with AD&D
US Patends and Trademarks do not apply in foreign country. But Coca-cola did register their mark in Switzerland.
I take a look at the Swiss Coca-Cola website (.ch) and take a look at their policy
Here is the english translated version:
II. Informations Copyright
" Coca-Cola ",
" Coke ", " Coca-Cola light ", " Coke light ", " Cherry Coca-Cola ", " Cherry Coke ", " Fanta ", " Sprite ", " Sprite light ", " Aquarius ", " Bonaqa ", " Cappy ", " Cappy Gold ", " Kinley ", " Lift ", " Mezzo Mix " are registred trademarks of The Coca-Cola Company, as are the special shape of the bottle, the round logo, the Dynamic Ribbon Device, the design of the Coca-Cola Santa Clauss and the polar bears.
So there is a case for Coca-Cola, or so they are thinking.
In my point of view, since he did not do anything I am aware to sell his domain name to the company or do business under one Coca-Cola patent name, there not enough point to attack him. This is just an other exemple of corporate law "we have the money to do what we want against not as rich people as we are".
This article is about Trolltech creating a new environment (not been X) that will be able to use Qt applications. Correct me if I am wrong but KDE is not only developed using Qt, KDE need some X functions. Without X most part of KDE has to be rewritten.
They must convert KDE (that require X) or create a new desktop (one more:-).
No GTK applications will work with it (Unless support developped by the GTK project group, which is unlikely)
No X application support (Netscape Communicator...) until a port is done.
This is a M$-like method to create standard: pressing the developers to adopt Qt as the standard application model capable to be used in all environnement (X and non-X) inside Linux.
And if Gnome release such environnement it will only create more fragmentation. I don't really like this idea.
The ability to use a GUI interface using two computers instead of one and even to share this environnements in network is wonderful.
Also this method does not require much more memory or speed than any other concept
In this case this new Qt version is for device that does not offer a lot of memory or CPU speed like the kind of computers we were using 4 years earlier or for Palm like devices (Internet Appliance) where every kb of memory footprint is important.
In this kind of new device it's not very useful to be able to log on it from/to another computer to use a GUI. It just need to be able to access Yahoo(tm) and emails.
You seem to forget that the "no domain squatting for resell" law adopted by the US Congress does not apply in Switzerland (remember, it's a.ch domain).
Also you have to prove he want to sell his domain to the "Coca-Cola" company in order to this law to apply.
Concerning the trademark law: since this domain name point to no computer, no site was done and no business transaction done under this name, there is no case.
I can make a website on my computer called "Amazon.com" or a software called "Micro$oft Word". If I don't put the site online (at any URL), or market the software I can't be charged to use a trademark.
CH is for "Confederation Helvetique" (french). You can easily find what it means without going to Bebelfish.
One other problem is that they don't use the term "Coke" to market their product in Switzerland because everyone think "Coke" is drug (and drugs are bad, humkay:). They always use "Coca-Cola" and even "Coke" is not displayed on their cans.
If someone fron Switzerland want to go to "coke.ch", he certainly don't want to see the "Coca-cola" website but information on drugs, once again, because "Coca-Cola" do not market their products with the term "Coke"
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News programs all over the world are starting writing about the Microsoft email but also about Kerberos modifications made by Microsoft. They posted a "trade secret" freely and easily available on the net which has already been ruled as not been a trade secret. You fight for the freedom of speech against them as they are defending their freedom to innovate, which is really demonstrated in this case by extending a MIT developed protocol to their own use.
You just can't talk about not knowing what you will do next. You will fight till death against that, right ?
I am very disappointed. From an internet newspaper on a computer industry issue, the uses of "one that would sell personal computer operating systems, the brains that run PCs " and "the Windows operating system's "desktop," the area of the computer screen that is seen when programs are not running " are frankly outdated.
Notice also the use of "Microsoft used access to the applications programming interfaces in a discriminatory fashion" without any explanations.
I would have like to see Microsoft will allow the OEM to let them load anything they want inside the MBR and see how they would have explain what it is.
And what about all those sites we all have seen the last years telling people it's better to have a closed source OS like Windows against hackers and using Linux is completely unsecure because the source is available to all of them (hi Joe).
The Linux community has suffer a long time from those attacks and even if they were all the time false, people loved writing it and preaching ITs to buy more copies of NT.
I thing it's fair to write articles NOW about what is right and not.
And if you think this story is not true, I still would like to know why Microsoft send an email to all its MSCE asking them to delete a dll file (we are talking about millions of emails).
If you blame Slashdot for linking to false informations, well you should blame first those who write the article: "Wall Street Journal" and Microsoft for helping spreading this news to all over the world.
Most Slashdot user are Linux/Unix/BSD users who don't want to buy eternally upgrades that looks more like a patch than a real new version. They want controls on what learn and use. They want the freedom Microsoft products will never give them. If you don't want your freedom and still want to follow the ruler, don't take our right to defend our opinion.
When few days would be needed to find such backdoor on Apache (and OSS in general) it took them 4 years to find it. The real question is: Does someone is analysing the Windows source code? If you are a MSCE, well you just have to hope they do because you won't be able to...
We will start to see more apps written for this compatibility layer until Linux get more market share than MS. At this point, soft. corps. will start to code for Qt and maybe a GTK if a Windows version appears.
The real question is "Will we still have to use closed standards ?".
In this computer age we are seeing technologies shifting from hardware to software based. Where twenty years earlier we would have use tape or LP players, we are now decoding bytes of informations to listen to MP3 files. When it was very difficult to an individual to create such devices, we are now all able to duplicate them in a mouse click or recreate them by reading to their desassemblied code.
Duplicate or reverse-engine a program are both illegal. But watching movies or listening to musics are the principal mankind entertainment activities that are now possible by software on any hardware. We are not more tied to buy specific products designed for one task, we have computer that run any software, some written instructions capable of anything.
The cracker actions are to make sure we won't have to pay for something we don't have to. The CSS protection is only here to make sure DVDs are not anymore some video files playable in a standard way (MPEG2) but video files you have to pay for a way to play them. We still have to buy some computer hardware: DVD-ROM for videos and/or CD-ROM for audio. But where we were able to listen easily to our audio CDs, we have to buy software to watch DVDs.
In the way (common) people are tied with Window$ those days, we are tied to pay to play videos. Maybe the way (some) people still to pay for an OS explain the conduct of some corporation and industry.
In twenty years, after 10 to 15 more new Windows releases, ALL (left) people will be tired to update or buy it with each new computer and will understand why open source OS and software IS the only way. Linux and all the BSDs will gain the momentum and the market share they deserve, that is 100%.
We will all remember the way all those DVD crakers have fought to bring open source DVD software, to open standards to mankind and we will all value them for what we will enjoy, free and open knowledge.
In concern to Microsoft tying products with Windows and if I were the judges ruling this case, I would enforce the obligation to Microsoft not to include anyfull version of their products but some more tiny and limited.
I see no objection to see Windows tied with Internet Explorer 2, a simple web browser with partial HTML3 support. Every Windows user would have access to Internet in order to download/buy the latest version of Netscape or IE.
In the case of technology and standards(Java, Kerberos...), I would oblige Microsoft not to create any derivated versions (ie "embrase and extend") and to buy the licenses/pay royalties (if any) to include a fully standard version without any incompatibilities with existing implementation.
The relationship with all the OEM should be fair. A same price, no special deduction if they include a Microsoft software instead of someone else and no OEM revocation if they don't follow Microsoft directives like installing a boot manager in the MBR to load alternative OS loaded beside Windows.
I am an expert in Latin Pig translation, Here is mine:
Sorry, it was invented by BOTH Sony and Philips.
Sony has make a product that some people (journalist, MPAA ...) would call it illegal. So they have to do something, just to prove to everyone:
Their image is safe.
But what about the cost of the operation? Do you remember who invented the CD? Right, Sony. They just pay the manufacturing cost without any margins (if they don't "clean" some cash in the operation, paying some company they own to do the job).
They will make 1.25M CDs for 5 cents each (or less). CD cost: $62,500 without shipping.
Based on the US price (33 cents), shipping cost: $412,500.
Total: $475,000
Question: was is $475,000 for Sony? Less than a one minute phone call, for all of us.
In country like France you can buy since DVD Day 1 a non-region enforcing DVD player in all appliance store because restraining region products are not welcome.
It seems that large country with a big movie business are more able to protect their people from seeing foreign movies. Or is it to protect this industry and define what their people have the right to see or not?
Don't forget that American movies are shown in Europe and Asia. If they have overthere a good movie industry (with a lot of DVD/VHS export and lot of movies), their people will not see American movies. That's why region blocking are not allowed by WTO but "enforced" in USA.
Now I would like to know if they have sign a deal with some Linux corps (RedHat, Suse, Debian ...) or *BSD groups to distribute their distros with VMWare for NT.
Maybe this new deal keep them from distributing another OS ???
Who on earth are not trying to download it. Damn, took me 2 hours to find it. I got it running and the rest.
What about the Pro version? No Java or Flash plug-in or even the final version of the Opera browser.
I already have switch from Windows to BeOS and Linux, I wonder if I wlll not finish my migration formating also my bfs partition
Maybe, with the help of "X-Men the movie" (nothing to do with XFree86), the American public will aggree the govermnent must finance such project.
I am sorry, I had no clue what so ever about it. I did take a look at the TSR page to prove I was right (before seeing those comments) and I felt on my knees. I read a little on the WoC website that they acquiered TSR in 1997 and Hasbro bought WoC last september. This is the corporate world, the bigger eat everyone. This do not surprise me after seeing Microsoft succeed.
What the hell Wizard of Coast has to do with Dungeons & Dragons. It's TSR the editors of the games. Wizard of Coast is making "Magic" trading card series and has nothing to do with AD&D
Does this mean it can run Xgalaga ?
US Patends and Trademarks do not apply in foreign country. But Coca-cola did register their mark in Switzerland.
I take a look at the Swiss Coca-Cola website (.ch) and take a look at their policy
Here is the english translated version:
II. Informations Copyright
So there is a case for Coca-Cola, or so they are thinking.In my point of view, since he did not do anything I am aware to sell his domain name to the company or do business under one Coca-Cola patent name, there not enough point to attack him. This is just an other exemple of corporate law "we have the money to do what we want against not as rich people as we are".
This article is about Trolltech creating a new environment (not been X) that will be able to use Qt applications. Correct me if I am wrong but KDE is not only developed using Qt, KDE need some X functions. Without X most part of KDE has to be rewritten.
- They must convert KDE (that require X) or create a new desktop (one more
:-). - No GTK applications will work with it (Unless support developped by the GTK project group, which is unlikely)
- No X application support (Netscape Communicator
...) until a port is done.
This is a M$-like method to create standard: pressing the developers to adopt Qt as the standard application model capable to be used in all environnement (X and non-X) inside Linux.And if Gnome release such environnement it will only create more fragmentation. I don't really like this idea.
The ability to use a GUI interface using two computers instead of one and even to share this environnements in network is wonderful.
Also this method does not require much more memory or speed than any other concept
In this case this new Qt version is for device that does not offer a lot of memory or CPU speed like the kind of computers we were using 4 years earlier or for Palm like devices (Internet Appliance) where every kb of memory footprint is important.
In this kind of new device it's not very useful to be able to log on it from/to another computer to use a GUI. It just need to be able to access Yahoo(tm) and emails.
You seem to forget that the "no domain squatting for resell" law adopted by the US Congress does not apply in Switzerland (remember, it's a .ch domain).
Also you have to prove he want to sell his domain to the "Coca-Cola" company in order to this law to apply.
Concerning the trademark law: since this domain name point to no computer, no site was done and no business transaction done under this name, there is no case.
I can make a website on my computer called "Amazon.com" or a software called "Micro$oft Word". If I don't put the site online (at any URL), or market the software I can't be charged to use a trademark.
I would also point out that "The Coca-Cola Company" does not market their beverage name as "Coke" but as "Coca-Cola".
The word "coke" is not used in french to mean their beverage only because the Coca-Cola company refused to call it as so.
CH is for "Confederation Helvetique" (french). You can easily find what it means without going to Bebelfish.
One other problem is that they don't use the term "Coke" to market their product in Switzerland because everyone think "Coke" is drug (and drugs are bad, humkay :). They always use "Coca-Cola" and even "Coke" is not displayed on their cans.
If someone fron Switzerland want to go to "coke.ch", he certainly don't want to see the "Coca-cola" website but information on drugs, once again, because "Coca-Cola" do not market their products with the term "Coke"
Actually "coq" sound more like c*o*c*k (less the *:moderator support format). We pronounce "coke" the same in french.