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  1. Re: Thank You, Oil Industry on The Oil Industry's Covert Campaign To Rewrite American Car Emissions Rules (nytimes.com) · · Score: 1

    You have to exclude any hydrocarbon developed by synthetic means rather than from oil.

    You have to also exclude anything for which a synthetic substitute is now in use, regardlesd of ratio. If there's a newer alternative, by definition there's an alternative that's newer. Tautologies are fun, tautologically speaking.

    You have to exclude products requiring oil for which alternatives exist. So now there's a universal flu vaccine, you can't include a vaccine for specific strains. Although I doubt oil is used there. But you get the idea.

    Oil is convenient. I'm not arguing that. Oil is flexible, I'm not arguing that either.

    I'm arguing only that it's not the latest. Not latest and greatest, just latest. There is much in medicine that uses petroleum products, but that doesn't mean there isn't a substitute, it only means that petroleum products are used now. Not really the same thing.

    Yes, I'm being pedantic. Non-biological methane is chemically no different from biological methane, after all. And yet one is a closed loop and the other isn't.

  2. Re: Thank You, Oil Industry on The Oil Industry's Covert Campaign To Rewrite American Car Emissions Rules (nytimes.com) · · Score: 1

    And you're saying none of these have any substitutes developed since? I'm not disputing these are used, I'm disputing the idea nothing has emerged since.

    I'm including polymer chains and plastics developed by synthetic means.

    Like I said, was.

  3. Re: I am sure it's 20 years away on Experts Urge US To Continue Support For Nuclear Fusion Research (scientificamerican.com) · · Score: 1

    Nopw, the latest news from Germany puts it at 5 years. Skepticism is for real minds. Cynicism is for fools.

  4. Re: Why? It doesn't work on Experts Urge US To Continue Support For Nuclear Fusion Research (scientificamerican.com) · · Score: 1

    Care to explain why multuple sites niw have multi-minute fusion reactions? No? Oh, that IS a surprise.

  5. Coal was supplanted over a century ago. It is still used.

    Safe forms of fission exist, and have done for 40+ years, but none are in use in the US. The US also bans any form of nuclear reprocessing, resulting in far more dangeroys waste being created.

  6. The biggest challenge on Experts Urge US To Continue Support For Nuclear Fusion Research (scientificamerican.com) · · Score: 1

    Is to persuade governments to fund research. BNFL burned renewable funding. The US repeatedly blocks fusion and is currently anti-science.

  7. Re: It's not covert, they were over-bearing on The Oil Industry's Covert Campaign To Rewrite American Car Emissions Rules (nytimes.com) · · Score: 1

    http://edison2.com/the-x-prize...
    https://auto.xprize.org/prizes...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Few more links for the collection.

    Gratifying to know AC thinks I own Progressive Insurance and Edison2.

  8. Re: It's not covert, they were over-bearing on The Oil Industry's Covert Campaign To Rewrite American Car Emissions Rules (nytimes.com) · · Score: 1
  9. Re:This really isn't that profound on NASA's Jupiter Mission Juno Reveals Giant Polar Storms (bbc.com) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And that's part of the point. The storms at the poles are incredibly stable. They're the same storms as raged a year ago. Simulations of atmospheres like Jupiter's, either in the lab or on a computer, do show lots of short-lived storms, but usually those drift together to form a giant red spot.

    There has been a question as to whether they've shown any other stable storms and the general consensus, insofar as I can ascertain, is no. I know of no simulation showing hexagonal storms, either. However, there will be plenty of simulations I don't know of, one of those might. That it caught everyone on the hop, it wasn't a prediction made in advance, suggests that it was not in any simulation.

    Which means that there are complex processes on Saturn and Jupiter that we're not sure of.

  10. Re: Who worries about scarcity? on The Oil Industry's Covert Campaign To Rewrite American Car Emissions Rules (nytimes.com) · · Score: 1

    It's still a matter of national security.

    Nobody buys American cars because they're seen to be unreliable and uneconomic.

    Validating that belief endangers thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of jobs and places America at the mercy of countries the President has seriously upset.

    Yes, that could be considered national security.

  11. Re: It's not covert, they were over-bearing on The Oil Industry's Covert Campaign To Rewrite American Car Emissions Rules (nytimes.com) · · Score: 2

    You understand that in 2010, engineers demonstrated a car capable of carrying two adults, two children and a load of luggage at 100 mph with a fuel efficiency of 100 mpg?

    X-Tracer managed a 205.3 mpg motorcycle carrying a comparable load.

    We could be driving those, today. In eight years, that could have been mainstream.

    Even the European cars, generally twice as economic as American ones, would be an improvement. American cars aren't instigated for poor reliability and high cost, they're not as efficient as anyone else's.

    Worsening that competitiveness won't help.

  12. Re: Exhaust == Cancer on The Oil Industry's Covert Campaign To Rewrite American Car Emissions Rules (nytimes.com) · · Score: 1

    Combustion will rarely be complete, not enough oxygen. So you'll have lots of CO and other highly reactive byproducts.

  13. Re: Exhaust == Cancer on The Oil Industry's Covert Campaign To Rewrite American Car Emissions Rules (nytimes.com) · · Score: 2

    Nitrates and nitrites are listed as known carcinogens, yes.

    Of course, car fuel has a whole bunch of additives these days and it's not always obvious how carcinogenic those are.

  14. Re: Thank You, Oil Industry on The Oil Industry's Covert Campaign To Rewrite American Car Emissions Rules (nytimes.com) · · Score: 2

    Penicillin made the world a better place, too, but when you're well you don't take it. Further, now we understand more, we understand it's quite harmful when abused.

  15. Re: Thank You, Oil Industry on The Oil Industry's Covert Campaign To Rewrite American Car Emissions Rules (nytimes.com) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oil was useful. Was.

    Now, it has been supplanted, just as bronze was supplanted.

    Nobody needs to die young from a lack of oil today, we use it for nothing that we can't do better, quicker and more cheaply by other means.

    We have the technology. I can't stop America regressing into the Bronze Age, it's just a stupid and unnecessary place to be when they could be in the Information Age. Americans, for the most part, well half of them anyway, are better than that.

  16. Re: Since 1900 on Arctic Posts Second Warmest Year On Record In 2018, NOAA Says (reuters.com) · · Score: 1

    We have 100,000 years of records.

  17. Re: Big whoop! on Arctic Posts Second Warmest Year On Record In 2018, NOAA Says (reuters.com) · · Score: 1

    We have 100,000 years of data.

    But don't let facrs detract from your scumbag fantasy world.

  18. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force on Arctic Posts Second Warmest Year On Record In 2018, NOAA Says (reuters.com) · · Score: 2

    None of your proposals make any sense.

    But, then, why expect you to understand energy economy if you can't comprehend physics?

  19. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force on Arctic Posts Second Warmest Year On Record In 2018, NOAA Says (reuters.com) · · Score: 1

    Most GW measures are cheaper and offer better return for investment. So, no, not austerity.

  20. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force on Arctic Posts Second Warmest Year On Record In 2018, NOAA Says (reuters.com) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Initially? It has been discussed since 1895. It was confirmed by NASA in 1968. It was in textbooks in 1982. It was in the nrws in 1992.

    Whose initial?

    And who oversold it? The scientists? Or the deniers in their claims of what the scientists were claiming?

  21. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force on Arctic Posts Second Warmest Year On Record In 2018, NOAA Says (reuters.com) · · Score: 1

    When the cynics tribally lynch the science, expect a response in kind. If you want better, be better.

  22. Re: Economic arguments on Arctic Posts Second Warmest Year On Record In 2018, NOAA Says (reuters.com) · · Score: 2

    Scientists get paid for observing, whether refuting or confirming.

    Your cynicism doesn't alter that reality, it alters only your own.

  23. Re: People believe this bullshit? on Arctic Posts Second Warmest Year On Record In 2018, NOAA Says (reuters.com) · · Score: 1

    Global warming has been accepted since 1895.

    That makes it more established and better tested than Relativity.

    And, no, nobody believes in it. You do not pray to the God of maths for 1+1=2. You KNOW it.

    The deniers are the ones who can't add.

  24. Re: Scary graph on Arctic Posts Second Warmest Year On Record In 2018, NOAA Says (reuters.com) · · Score: 1

    There is no decline.

  25. Re: climate change has to change on Arctic Posts Second Warmest Year On Record In 2018, NOAA Says (reuters.com) · · Score: 1

    Not sure sterilizing the only planet with known life is irrevevant.

    The corruption has been on the side of deniers, exclusively. A fact they conveniently ignore.