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Arctic Posts Second Warmest Year On Record In 2018, NOAA Says (reuters.com)

According to a new report released on Tuesday by the U.S. National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, the Arctic had its second-hottest year on record in 2018. "Arctic air temperatures for the past five years have exceeded all previous records since 1900," according to the annual NOAA study, the 2018 Arctic Report Card, which said the year was second only to 2016 in overall warmth in the region. Reuters reports: The study said the Arctic warming continues at about double the rate of the rest of the planet, and that the trend appears to be altering the shape and strength of the jet stream air current that influences weather in the Northern Hemisphere. "Growing atmospheric warmth in the Arctic results in a sluggish and unusually wavy jet-stream that coincided with abnormal weather events," it said, noting that the changing patterns have often brought unusually frigid temperatures to areas south of the Arctic Circle. Some examples are "a swarm of severe winter storms in the eastern United States in 2018, and the extreme cold outbreak in Europe in March 2018 known as 'the Beast from the East.'"

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  1. Two years in one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell?

  2. if the arctics turn into equator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where does that leave us trans eurasicans? cease fire stand down.. never a better time to transform from doings to beings?

  3. Re:"On record" = laughable by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Informative

    The medieval warm period. Really. C'mon. Don't want to go back to the dinosaurs as usual to show just how warm earth can be and still sustain life?

    But ok. The MWP. First of all, even during the MWP it wasn't as warm as it is today. It was about 0.2 to 0.4 degrees Celsius warmer than before. Today we're at about 1.0 degrees warmer than it was in the 800s. Second, the MWP was not an uniform climate change as we experience today. It was mostly a localized phenomenon with various areas experiencing warmer periods during different times in those 300ish years.

    In other words, there's a reason why even the most harebrained deniers don't use it. Stick with the dinosaurs, back then it was at least warmer than it is today.

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  4. Re:Second hottest year by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So what's to worry, it's colder than it was before. See? It's not getting warmer, it's getting colder!

    (And yes, this is sarcasm. It's actually pretty sad that it is necessary to explicitly say so...)

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  5. electricity magnets & goo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's what's left of us without our conscious conscience relation to our universal spirit? like an empty shell echoing whatever the digital wind blows? no heart no spirit no life?

  6. Stop advertising a warmer Arctic by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Funny

    I won't spend my holidays there.

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  7. Re:"On record" = laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of natural oscillations and trends in climate. It's been warmer in the prehistoric past and there have been notable oscillations in the past millennium. The Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age were significant, driven by changes in insolation and volcanic activity. However, the temperature anomalies during those periods weren't as large as the change over the past few decades. Yes, it's a blip in the entirety of geologic time, but that's precisely why it's so alarming. If the changes are gradual, life has time to adapt, and the consequences are far less severe than if the changes are abrupt.

    And yes, there have been abrupt changes in climate in the Earth's past. The worst of the five mass extinction events in the past billion years ago occurred at the Permian-Triassic boundary. This was an abrupt warming about 252 million years ago that occurred over the span of about 20,000 years. The initial cause may have been numerous volcanoes in present day Siberia burning through a massive deposit of fossil fuels, releasing massive amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Nickel from the volcanic eruptions caused a particular microbe in the oceans to flourish, which generated huge amounts of methane. Global temperatures surged, life in the oceans died rapidly and decomposed, producing toxic hydrogen sulfide that was deadly to life both in the oceans and on land. The result nearly ended life on Earth, due in part to the abruptness of the event preventing natural processes from mitigating the various factors, and not allowing time for life to adapt.

  8. in nytyetnam.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the arctic comes to you..

  9. The Chinese are really brilliant by WuestenFuchs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since even the president of the US is convinced that global warming is a Chinese hoax, we have to be impressed by the way China is playing this game. The Chinese manage to really create ever warmer weather year after year, just to fool us into thinking global warming is real. They are truly brilliant.

  10. Re:"On record" = laughable by DogDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're right. The Earth has been both warmer and cooler in the past. What's your fucking point?

    As coastal cities continue to flood, should we just say, "Well, we're not going to do anything about it, because it happened before in the pre-cambrian era?"

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  11. Re: Second hottest year by jd · · Score: 1

    And that matters why?

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  12. Is it worth bothering? by jd · · Score: 1

    I mean, that's such an obvious conspiracy theory troll. You're not even trying to make the fiction that you believe it sound real.

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  13. Congratulations by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    You're obviously an Einstein level savant for figuring that out for yourself so fast. I was wondering for a long time if "second hottest" meant there was ONE year that was hotter.

    1. Re:Congratulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Einstein was a savant?!?!? He seemed perfectly normal to me.

    2. Re:Congratulations by arth1 · · Score: 1

      You might not be aware that the main meaning of savant is not savant syndrome (previously "idiot savant"), but someone who is an accomplished scholar or learned person. Einstein was definitely savant.

    3. Re:Congratulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might not be aware that the main meaning of savant is savant syndrome now (previously "idiot savant"), not just someone who is an accomplished scholar or learned person. Einstein was definitely not a savant.

  14. GREAT! newZ! 4 my lANd purCHaSe doWn tHere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Penguins don't pay for shit though. Always want things free. Waiting until it really warms up so I can build cities, tract housing, whorehouses, and casinos. And prisons. Lots of prisons. Gotta put those republicans somewhere.

  15. "extreme cold" = slightly colder than usual. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did they change the meaning of extreme in the early 2010's? It seems everything is extreme now. What is it when it is -60C? mega-hyper-ultra cold?

  16. Responsible coastal development by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe, we should not socialize the losses of coastal properties via our National Flood Insurance program? For all the talk of climate change, I see homes swept away by hurricanes and then even bigger ones replace them in under two years. In my lifetime NJ beachfronts now look like a glass wall with massive homes built as close to the beach as possible.

    If the government insures a property and it is lost to floodwaters - a condition of claim payment should be that the property becomes prohibited to future development. If private landowners and private insurers want to take on this risk - good for them.

    Building these homes over and over again sticks the taxpayer with the disaster bill.

    1. Re: Responsible coastal development by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The flood insurance should only cover the average home cost in the state. If you want to build a 2 million dollar home on a sandbar you should assume some risk.

    2. Re:Responsible coastal development by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 0

      Maybe, we should not socialize the losses of coastal properties via our National Flood Insurance program? For all the talk of climate change, I see homes swept away by hurricanes and then even bigger ones replace them in under two years. In my lifetime NJ beachfronts now look like a glass wall with massive homes built as close to the beach as possible.

      If the government insures a property and it is lost to floodwaters - a condition of claim payment should be that the property becomes prohibited to future development. If private landowners and private insurers want to take on this risk - good for them.

      Building these homes over and over again sticks the taxpayer with the disaster bill.

      Heresy! You surely don't mean that rich leftists should have to ensure their own coastal mansions??

    3. Re:Responsible coastal development by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Maybe, we should not socialize the losses of coastal properties via our National Flood Insurance program? For all the talk of climate change, I see homes swept away by hurricanes and then even bigger ones replace them in under two years. In my lifetime NJ beachfronts now look like a glass wall with massive homes built as close to the beach as possible.

      If the government insures a property and it is lost to floodwaters - a condition of claim payment should be that the property becomes prohibited to future development. If private landowners and private insurers want to take on this risk - good for them.

      Building these homes over and over again sticks the taxpayer with the disaster bill.

      Heresy! You surely don't mean that rich leftists should have to ensure their own coastal mansions??

      Dang it, have to ruin my own snarkiness with a typo. Oh well ...

    4. Re: Responsible coastal development by reanjr · · Score: 1

      No waterfront property is below average price, so that's effectively the same.

  17. Re:Second hottest year by SqueakyMouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did you know the temperature of the whole universe used to be over a billion degrees and nobody died at all back then?

    Did you know the arctic has actually cooled considerably since July?

    Is this going far enough that I need to point out it's meant as parody? I seriously hope it is.

  18. Second warmest on record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    700-750 years ago Northern Europe stopped growing grapes to be fermented into wine and started growing grains and fermenting that into beer. Why? Because it became too cold to grow grapes. It is still too cold.

    1. Re: Second warmest on record? by jd · · Score: 1

      There are vineyards in Chester, up in the northwest of England.

      No, it's never been so cold you couldn't. Beer developed alongside wine and, when hops were added, became cheaper and easier to transport. Even in major wine countries like France.

      Same reason everywhere has bees but mead isn't commonly drunk.

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    2. Re: Second warmest on record? by jd · · Score: 1

      Not is there much evidence the Norse drank wine that wasn't imported. That would be in the timeframe you claim wine was made.

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    3. Re: Second warmest on record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Chester isn't Caledonia (Scotland) where Romans reported vineyards 2000 years ago and King John's census of the British Isles located vineyards in Scotland sometime around 1250.

      Too cold today

    4. Re: Second warmest on record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Germany fermented grape and changed to beer.
      Norway fermented grape and changed to beer.
      England and Scotland fermented grape and changed to beer.

      Too cold today

    5. Re: Second warmest on record? by MrKaos · · Score: 2

      Same reason everywhere has bees but mead isn't commonly drunk.

      I like beer, I like wine but mead is just a awesome special treat, it's so fucking good I just don't have an adequate vocabulary to express its goodness.

      Absolutely try a decent mead if you have a chance.

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    6. Re: Second warmest on record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been homebrewing about 5 gallons of mead every two months the last couple years. Its so easy and delicious.

    7. Re: Second warmest on record? by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 1

      Chester isn't Caledonia (Scotland) where Romans reported vineyards 2000 years ago and King John's census of the British Isles located vineyards in Scotland sometime around 1250.

      Too cold today

      We now produce wine in Denmark, on Gotland (a Swedish Island), and, indeed, in Scotland. But the primary reason for viticulture is economics - not climate. It is possible to produce wines in Scotland, but with modern transportation, it's a lot cheaper to import wines from regions where they are easier and cheaper to produce. In medieval times, transport was a lot less efficient and reliable, and there was a strong demand for wine for the sacrament of the last supper. That's why wine was produced locally in less than optimal condition. Nowadays, it's tourists and EU subsidies that cause wine to be produced in marginal climate.

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    8. Re: Second warmest on record? by jd · · Score: 1

      The Romans reported vineyards in Scotland?

      Do tell.

      Photo of text, transcription and the museum it is in.

      Also, Scotland has microclimates. It's not blean, desolate and cold, except towards Westminster.

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    9. Re: Second warmest on record? by jd · · Score: 1

      My favourite bought are Lindesfarne and Bunratty. You can't import them in the US as mead due to food regulstions there.

      For homemade, a mix of light raw and white honey will ferment like crazy. Tannin is good for smoothing, I use half a pint of Yorkshire Gold tea. Purists would murder me in the streets if they knew.

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    10. Re: Second warmest on record? by jd · · Score: 1

      Vinyards all over England.
      Never any vinyards in Norway.

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    11. Re:Second warmest on record? by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      Even in the north of England monasteries were cultivating grapes into the 1500s. Then they stopped. Because they ceased to exist. 1500 is not 700 years ago. The wine wasn't considered to be very good, though, hence all the references from 1200s,1300s, 1400s about importing wine from English posessions in France into England for the nobility who wanted decent wine during the MWP.

    12. Re: Second warmest on record? by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      Calendonia included parts of what is now northern England (Hadrian's wall is in England), although almost certainly not as far south as Chester.

    13. Re:Second warmest on record? by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      'When Henry VIII was crowned in 1509, 139 vineyards were recorded, 11 of which produced as Royal vineyards, dedicated to the monarchy. In the 1660s Lady Batten, wife of Sir William Batten, Surveyor of the Navy, had a vineyard at their estate at Walthamstow; Samuel Pepys thought the wine (which was red) "very good".[8] Just as English wine began to recover from the epidemics of phylloxera and powdery mildew in the mid-19th century, brought back by the explorers of New America, commercial English wine was dealt a heavy blow. In 1860 the government, under Lord Palmerston (Liberal), supported free trade and drastically cut the tax on imported wines from 1 shilling to twopence, a decrease of 83%. English wine was therefore outcompeted by superior foreign products that could be sold at a lower cost to the customer.[citation needed] The twilight of British winemaking tradition, which stretched back to the first Roman explorers, was brought to an end with the onset of the First World War, as the need for crops and food took priority over wine production. The rationing of sugar pushed the knife even deeper until, for the first time in 2000 years, English wines were no longer being produced in Wessex, nor the rest of the country. '

    14. Re: Second warmest on record? by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      Chester isn't Caledonia (Scotland) where Romans reported vineyards 2000 years ago and King John's census of the British Isles located vineyards in Scotland sometime around 1250.

      Chester is in northern England, so Nothern Europe.

      Too cold today

      https://food.list.co.uk/articl...

    15. Re: Second warmest on record? by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      We have a local mob here that make it from wild honey - nom nom nom. I am very impressed that you make mead!!!!!

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    16. Re: Second warmest on record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In France wine is cheaper than beer. By far ...

      angel'o'sphere

  19. leaders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Events in the past caused us to evolve with a single-minded purpose to overpopulate. This is reflected in civilization and religion. The result of overpopulation is usual in lemmings but may cause consternation in humans, who have little expeience in managing this. The godless religion of political correctness can't recognise this, so the suicide cults win.

    1. Re: leaders by jd · · Score: 1

      Plenty of religions don't advocate overpopulation. Norse Paganism, for example. Large families are described as the work of the Ice Giants and Jotuns by Snorri. They also had very incorrect ways to control population.

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    2. Re: leaders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many religions are in favor of overpopulation. Some are sensible

    3. Re: leaders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disgusting your even thinking of genocide. Fucking prick.

    4. Re: leaders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens to the lemmings cannot be characterised as genocide.

  20. build a wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If all the warming is happening in the arctic then the solution is simple. We need to stop that criminal warm air coming into our country and taking all our cold. We need to build a wall.

    1. Re:build a wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sure that some of that warm air feels good....

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    1. Re:AA Posts Second Hottest ASCII Macro on Record! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Republican faggot problems

  22. I want powder not slush! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everybody knows that is best for skiing, toboggan, and snowballs. This warm Arctic, well...

  23. Re:Second hottest year by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Poe's Law. It's not just for religion anymore.

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  24. Re:"On record" = laughable by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "it's okay when my house is flooded, because 1 billion years ago it was an ocean"

  25. Heading in the right direction now isn't it Windy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pity the US isn't and continues to not only be one of the worst, but getting even worse.

  26. Oh really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How was the stats changed this time around?

    New statistical methods = new history.

    What a crazy baseless conspiracy theory - you guys know that once the planet cools and you're selling 'man made global cooling', just like in the 1970's and 1980's, we'll be using articles like this to disprove that too!

    1. Re: Oh really? by jd · · Score: 1

      Nobody sold global cooling in the 70s, outside of scifi.

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    2. Re: Oh really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Newsweek - April 28, 1975: "The Central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth's climate seems to be cooling down".

      Is newsweek sci-fi?

      National Geographic - Nov 1976 - "During the last 20 or 30 years, world temperature has fallen, irregularly at first but sharply over the last decade"

      Is National Geographic sci-fi?

      Time Magazine - Jan 1977 - Cover story - "The Big Freeze" - "The scientists and computers at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration were confidently predicting that the frigid weatehr would continue. The chilling pronouncement of NOAA's senior climatologist: 'The forecast is for no change'" (in reference to global cooling)

      Is Time Magazine sci-fi?

      Washington post - Jan 11, 1970 - "Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age - Scientists See Ice Age In Future"

      Is the Washington post sci-fi?

      I have a few dozen other examples from respectable sources. JD - you have no idea what you are talking about.

    3. Re: Oh really? by q_e_t · · Score: 1
      Is Time Magazine a scientific journal? Is the Washington Post? What were scientifc journals saying at the time (hint: global warming)

      Washington post - Jan 11, 1970 - "Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age - Scientists See Ice Age In Future"

      Held? Hail? What?

    4. Re: Oh really? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I have a few dozen other examples from respectable sources.

      Those same sources were also posting articles about global warming. Now, over the period between when GW was postulated (late 1800s) and today, or hell even twenty years before today, have those specific sources posted more articles about global warming, or global cooling? Do your actual homework before you suggest that one spate of articles represents a flood of media. Perhaps someone should explain to you how media works: someone writes an article, then all the various papers report on the article, and then if nothing comes of it they are on to the next thing. Because what news depends on is the same thing as what money depends on: currency. If it's not moving, it's not relevant. And once one paper reports on an issue, all the other ones leap to do the same in order to appear competent. However, none of them actually are, so if someone is clever and good at selling their idea then all the papers can report the same bullshit at the same time.

      Zero credible media outlets seriously pushed the idea of global cooling, they just did some of their usual half-assed science reporting, and who gives a fuck what the media says? Read the actual scientific papers. What did the actual scientific papers say about global warming and cooling at the time? Because the papers work on the "if it bleeds, it leads" principle, and they are a completely useless gauge to what scientists were saying at the time. And when you boil this stupid argument down, where you get to isn't the media, but claims from denialists that scientists were pushing the idea of global cooling. And that's where your argument breaks down completely, and I do mean completely. What we have today is the vast majority of qualified scientists telling us that AGW is not only real, but it's happening in a big way right now. What we had then was a couple of scientists telling us that global cooling was happening. Conflating the two as if they were directly comparable is a total schmuck move, and you should be horribly ashamed of yourself for your total inability to construct a cogent argument. Now run along, Ivan, some of us want to think.

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  27. I will save the world and YOU will pay for it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The political position of 'I am going to save the world and you will pay for it' does not exactly resonate with voters.

    When a politician chooses to advocate taxing his/her constituents more on a daily basis, one does not have to be a petroleum engineer to figure out that votes will not come gushing in for that politico.

    Finally, if politicians were really serious about battling climate change with taxes, they would propose a climate change reparations surcharge tax on asset wealth. The 'asset wealthy' being not only individuals who own Teslas, but also foundations, endowments, religious institutions, and any other organization responsible for directly (or indirectly) using large amounts of fossil fuels.

    A climate surcharge on the asset-rich, which would be unable to pass the surcharge taxes onto the masses via price increases. The asset-rich who will then deservedly become the elites' role models for saving the climate from their own doomsday scenarios.

    Importantly, the mass of voters - conservative or progressive - would likely support that type of climate change tax in a heartbeat.

    1. Re: I will save the world and YOU will pay for it! by reanjr · · Score: 1

      The ones who really vote - Congressmen and Senators - would never support such a thing.

    2. Re:I will save the world and YOU will pay for it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My pet peeve are the wealthy - they have those huge homes that use 5 times or more electricity as a normal home, and get a break for their massive usage! First, stop giving discounts and start charging an overcharge for using more than, say, 2,000KWH per month (twice the national average) in a residence - if they can afford a million dollar house, they can afford to pay more for their electricity.
      I've seen homes where two people reside, who, with their discounted rates, still pay $5,000 a month, and think nothing of it. Great! Make them pay double.

  28. Branson has the right idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Being all doom and gloom about it doesn't help. IMHO Branson has the right idea when he offered $3 million for airconditioning that's 5x as energy efficient.

    https://globalcoolingprize.org/prize-details/criteria/

    i.e. the solution is a million little improvements not one magic one. Air-conditioning being a huge energy waster that could easily be improved. If you can make a fridge to turn a heat difference into cold, you can make an air conditioner that can, so you can make a solar (heat) driven air conditioning. It just needs the initial funding.

    1. Re:Branson has the right idea by Freischutz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Being all doom and gloom about it doesn't help. IMHO Branson has the right idea when he offered $3 million for airconditioning that's 5x as energy efficient.

      https://globalcoolingprize.org/prize-details/criteria/

      i.e. the solution is a million little improvements not one magic one. Air-conditioning being a huge energy waster that could easily be improved. If you can make a fridge to turn a heat difference into cold, you can make an air conditioner that can, so you can make a solar (heat) driven air conditioning. It just needs the initial funding.

      What really gets me is that Florida is importing coal and natural gas to fire power plants of whom several are dedicated to producing energy for air conditioning systems much of the year. You'd think that the idea of powering their air conditioning using solar panels would catch on down there. The same is basically true for Puerto Rico, it's sunny there or partially sunny something like 70% of the year and when it isn't sunny the wind is blowing and yet, the latest and greatest idea out of Washington is turning Puerto Rico into a imported natural gas powered fossil fuel energy hub for the region ... abundant local energy sources ... anybody?

    2. Re:Branson has the right idea by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Our society seems to be overly afraid of new solutions. Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM....

      Investment (and public opinion) are probably overly risk averse at present.

    3. Re:Branson has the right idea by IhateMonkeys · · Score: 2

      The problem with bulk solar production in Florida is night time demand. Due to the hot and humid climate, you don't see a major demand drop as you do in other parts of the country.
      TECO in Tampa is converting their Big Bend power plant from coal to natural gas. They are also building solar farms.

      https://www.powermag.com/tampa...
      Florida power companies are no saints though. Look what they tried to pull over on the state's residents back in 2016
      https://www.vox.com/science-an...

    4. Re:Branson has the right idea by tsa · · Score: 1

      That's just Trump's idea of doing good. The man can't help being ignorant about approximately everything.

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    5. Re:Branson has the right idea by tsa · · Score: 1

      So, time to insulate the houses there.

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    6. Re:Branson has the right idea by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      With all the startups that border on scams and kickstarter projects that basically are scams, you really wonder why people are afraid of new solutions? For real?

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    7. Re:Branson has the right idea by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      But ... but that costs money! Way more money than the power for my AC!

      And I'm gonna move out of this house in 5-10 years anyway, either because I'm moving away or because I'm only running out the clock in America's Wang.

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    8. Re:Branson has the right idea by tsa · · Score: 2

      That argument is used everywhere. My parents don't want solar panels because they are too old to reap the profits. Same with an electric car.

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    9. Re:Branson has the right idea by ceoyoyo · · Score: 0

      There's a difference between giving an internet shyster your money and buying a solar farm instead of a conventional power plant.

      Society also seems to be degenerating to a point where everything must be simplified into a good/bad dichotomy.

    10. Re:Branson has the right idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Florida is very humid. If you super-insulate your house and then don't use your air conditioner, you get crazy amounts of condensation inside; e.g., haven for mold, fungi, etc.

      Most houses in the USA are built from wood, as it was an inexpensive, decent building material for the couple of centuries.

    11. Re:Branson has the right idea by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      Then you need a dehumidifier, not AC.

    12. Re: Branson has the right idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have some disappointing news for you. Dehumidifiers work on exactly the same principle, but don't have the desirable side effect of COOLING THE GODDAMNED AIR.

    13. Re:Branson has the right idea by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Thanks, Boomers...

      The sooner the world's got rid of them, the sooner we can start cleaning up their mess.

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    14. Re:Branson has the right idea by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, there's a difference. But more and more people are unable to actually understand the difference.

      It's funny, though, that it's usually the same people who loathe regulatory bodies are also the ones that get conned by such con artists who exist exactly because we eliminate those very regulatory bodies that would have prevented these things from happening. And then they turn around and declare that everyone's out to get them, everyone's swindling them out of their money and that EVERYTHING is a scam. Usually only to turn around and buy a book from some snakeoil peddler hawking some conspiracy bullshit.

      Yes, we live in interesting times.

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    15. Re:Branson has the right idea by tsa · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately we don't have that long.

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  29. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have to love all that actual real information contained in the sensational piece. Not anywhere in the linked article does it state anywhere an actual recorded temperature. Only in the video does one mention of a temperature in Greenland although no date is given.

  30. Re: Second hottest year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I really have to wonder about this climate change debate. I think there is a problem with the publishing process. You see, there is a sort of priesthood of style during peer review. Incorrect papers are somewhat more likely to be published because style is easier to follow than to produce a good result. As a result many papers with inaccuracies get published while there are probably a few excellent papers that are not accepted, when in fact they are more accurate than many published papers. I would like to see a study on that - an accurate study that is

  31. I thought Obama fixed climate change though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting he didn't do a damn thing about what he claimed was the gravest problem facing the country and humanity. He was too busy with his genocides in the middle east and north africa.

    No hope. No change.

    1. Re: I thought Obama fixed climate change though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Solar is now the cheapest form of power and electric vehicles are taking over. They are solutions that happened because of government support.

    2. Re: I thought Obama fixed climate change though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then everyone freaked out and started buying hybrids and electric and and using solar and biking ans scootering......and the climate got worse.

      Suspicious.

    3. Re:I thought Obama fixed climate change though by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He did a good number of things to help reduce global warming: Restrict coal power plant emissions, improve automotive fleet emissions standards, sign the Paris climate accord, and subsidize renewable energy and EV sales. All things Trump has undone or is working on undoing.

      China will have the US over a barrel once global carbon trading is mandatory. I'd say that you collectively deserve it, but on the other hand most Americans who voted didn't vote for this.

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    4. Re: I thought Obama fixed climate change though by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

      62 percent of electricity is still being produced by fossil fuels. And hydro produces more renewable electricity then Solar.
      https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs...

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    5. Re:I thought Obama fixed climate change though by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? His war against American industry and under the table payouts to solar panel companies that had political supporters on their boards did plenty to help our climate.

      Fortunately, the price decrease in the solar energy sector has seen the same pattern that literally EVERY other technology has seen. Which leaves us to believe that all politicians together have done jack-squat to affect anything.

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    6. Re: I thought Obama fixed climate change though by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Carbon emissions for Americans were dropping during Obama's term. As oil shale was booming. Hmmm...

    7. Re:I thought Obama fixed climate change though by novakyu · · Score: 1

      Why didn't he do anything that Trump or Republicans couldn't undo? Either he didn't have right priorities or he was so ... impotent.

    8. Re:I thought Obama fixed climate change though by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      To put some law or regulation in place which couldn't be undone he'd have to usurp democracy. Which is something Trump and the Republicans have demonstrated they're willing to try, but Obama was too good for that. You call that "impotent?"

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    9. Re:I thought Obama fixed climate change though by novakyu · · Score: 1

      Yes—after all, Republicans weren't "potent" enough to usurp ACA. Again, priorities or impotency.

    10. Re:I thought Obama fixed climate change though by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      That was priorities. They did make changes that will eventually lead to the system's practical collapse, but to avoid quickly becoming too unpopular to win even with the playing field heavily tilted in their favor, they chose not the kill the system outright. This gave them plausible deniability.

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    11. Re:I thought Obama fixed climate change though by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      What are you talking about? His war against American industry and under the table payouts to solar panel companies that had political supporters on their boards did plenty to help our climate.

      There were about four solar panel companies, only one of them had political supporters on its board, and it got the least money of all of them because it folded before it could collect it all. Guess you missed the details, though, since you're bringing up that old tired shit.

      Fortunately, the price decrease in the solar energy sector has seen the same pattern that literally EVERY other technology has seen. Which leaves us to believe that all politicians together have done jack-squat to affect anything.

      The fossil fuel companies have literally been conspiring against solar power, wielding their influence in government to keep it down to protect their control of the energy market. For example, the way GWB wouldn't grant a license to build a thermal solar plant in BLM land even though the BLM lands are chock-full of oil wells, and corresponding oil spills. The political power spent supporting solar has been necessary simply to maintain that pattern.

      All of this leads me to believe that you don't know jack-squat about anything.

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  32. Re:"On record" = laughable by ravenshrike · · Score: 2

    Localized phenomenon. That extended all the way down into the Antarctic.

  33. climate change has to change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem with "climate science" is that it's been corrupted before and twisted for money. It has also had too many false alarms ad incorrect models.

    The fact is no human knows that answers or exact measurements.

    Why not give up on the doomsday model and start asking people if they want to die of cancer or live in literally toxic environments.

    Global warming is dead, move to a "clean environment, happy life" model instead.

    After all, we all die and climate change over time is basically irrelevant.

    1. Re: climate change has to change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed.

    2. Re: climate change has to change by jd · · Score: 1

      Not sure sterilizing the only planet with known life is irrevevant.

      The corruption has been on the side of deniers, exclusively. A fact they conveniently ignore.

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  34. Re: "On record" = laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately you are wrong about the mwp. Grapes were grown in the islands offf Europe, up to Greenland. Implying a longer growing season. Which has shortened now, and we are starting to grow more less then 90 day crops. And renewable energy crops, which bodes I'll for people.

  35. Doesn't Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you conclude an annual study and post the results for "hottest year on record" at the start of winter.

  36. Re:"On record" = laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the one thing nobody will say. But as long as it hasn't actually happened, that's evidence that it can't possibly happen ever, and if it's your house that gets flooded, there's no problem at all.

  37. Re: Second hottest year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what's to worry, it's colder than it was before. See? It's not getting warmer, it's getting colder!

    (And yes, this is sarcasm. It's actually pretty sad that it is necessary to explicitly say so...)

    Hottest on record = evidence of warming.
    Coldest on record = evidence of cooling.

    Either both are true, or neither are. You don't get to say "this cold snap is not evidence but this warm one is."

  38. Re:Second hottest year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So not the hottest year. It has been hotter before, is what you're saying?

    Not only has it gotten colder, but to keep things alarmist they finished the study before counting winter.

  39. Scary graph by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    This graph from the report is particularly scary: https://www.arctic.noaa.gov/Po...

    1. Re: Scary graph by jd · · Score: 1

      There is no decline.

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    2. Re:Scary graph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what the raw data is. Most of today's charts "adjust" (read as fudge) the data to fit their projections. Interestingly, the vast majority of data is adjusted down and never up.

    3. Re:Scary graph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The raw data is generally available, but there is petabytes of it. Adjustments are in both directions and almost always related to calibration between instruments.

  40. People believe this bullshit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lemmings and sheeple, all following the Judas goat over the cliff.

    Welll what else would you expect from millenials, such timid suck-ups afraid to step out of line.

    1. Re: People believe this bullshit? by jd · · Score: 1

      Global warming has been accepted since 1895.

      That makes it more established and better tested than Relativity.

      And, no, nobody believes in it. You do not pray to the God of maths for 1+1=2. You KNOW it.

      The deniers are the ones who can't add.

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    2. Re: People believe this bullshit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The crux of the problem? Your average american doesn't care one bit about any of this. It's not a matter of belief or disbelief. They will not care unless/until the disaster lands on their front porch. So, your message is falling on deaf ears, mostly. The science is to complex and the ramifications are too esoteric and far removed for it to be obvious. To your average person, a degree or two just doesn't seem like a big deal. So I think it's going to need become a real problem for everyday people, before they will listen. Especially if your idea of a solution is higher taxes or electric cars. If the messengers (actors and politicians) would stop tooling around in their private jets and limousines, people might take this problem more seriously.

    3. Re: People believe this bullshit? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      They will not care unless/until the disaster lands on their front porch.

      I've got news for you, they don't care then, either. We know people who have lost three homes in a row to fires in California. You'd think after the second one (if not the first) they'd make finding a home that's in a defensible situation a priority, but they just keep moving into more flammable shit-shacks built in forests. Everyone's in denial, and it's going to kill us all.

      Sadly, government doesn't care either. If your home gets burned down in a big fire, FEMA gives you a check and slaps you on the ass. You spend that money where you like, even if it's just to cause problems. Same for these houses with federal flood insurance. Someone builds a vacation house on a sand bar, and every time it gets wiped out the government pays them to build it again. The People wind up paying for their unsustainable vacation getaway. We need to fix this problem. Nobody should be able to rebuild the same kind of problem in the same place when it gets wiped out and we have to bail them out. If their house burned down, the replacement has to be fire-resistant. If their house washed away, the replacement has to be somewhere else. That We The People have to pay for this crap is the kind of shit that lends credence to the greedy "libertarians" who believe that all taxation is theft. It isn't, but this kind sure is.

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  41. Re: "On record" = laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Grapes were not grown in Greenland.

    2. Grapes were grown in places that were not, until recenly, places that grapes were grown, but the wine made from them was bloody awful.

    3. Vinyards in northern areas of Europe were largely associated with religious groups that didn't survive the reformation, at which point the cultivation was abandoned for reasons not associated with the climate.

  42. Economic arguments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People who only get paid if they raise alarm, raise alarm. News at 11.

    1. Re: Economic arguments by jd · · Score: 2

      Scientists get paid for observing, whether refuting or confirming.

      Your cynicism doesn't alter that reality, it alters only your own.

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  43. So? by DogDude · · Score: 1

    So?

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  44. AGW Denier trolls are out in force by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's sad to see Slashdot taken over by anti-science scumbags, posting as "Anonymous Cowards" and lying that Global Warming isn't happening even with evidence all over the place. And then there's the overwhelming support for GW in the scientific community. What do they know!

    I have to admire the plucky band of billionaires, conspiracy nutbars and oil companies bravely fighting back against all that nasty, evil science. Of course, the downside is that their kids will line up to piss on their graves.

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    1. Re:AGW Denier trolls are out in force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your tribalist response to reasonable debate is noted.

    2. Re:AGW Denier trolls are out in force by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's sad to see Slashdot taken over by anti-science scumbags, posting as "Anonymous Cowards" and lying that Global Warming isn't happening even with evidence all over the place. And then there's the overwhelming support for GW in the scientific community. What do they know!

      I have to admire the plucky band of billionaires, conspiracy nutbars and oil companies bravely fighting back against all that nasty, evil science. Of course, the downside is that their kids will line up to piss on their graves.

      Browse with only +2 visible and you won't see most of that.

      As far as the PR effort goes, global warning was way oversold initially and the early dire predictions (that were sold via the media) didn't happen, or didn't happen anything like they were sold. That had a crying wolf effect.

      Also, demonizing people and calling them stupid isn't a great way to win them over.

      That said, any solution is going to be technological. Top down command and control isn't doing what you want it to do; it isn't succeeding (and yes, succeeding politically and socially is part of succeeding).

    3. Re:AGW Denier trolls are out in force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, the downside is that their kids will line up to piss on their graves.

      Well - when you're dead, a little water with dissolved nutrients matters not at all to your corpse or the soil above it. Neither can you enjoy all the money you made while still alive. So they have to minimize austerity now - and many GW measures sound just too much like austerity.

    4. Re:AGW Denier trolls are out in force by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      The problem with global warming is that its effects are too slow to be perceived as a threat by a population that only cares about immediate events or at most within one year in the future.

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    5. Re:AGW Denier trolls are out in force by citylivin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "It's sad to see Slashdot taken over by anti-science scumbags"

      Its not sad, its pretty normal. We have literally the best moderation system on the internet here. Avoiding the echochamber of reddit and the lowest common denominator of youtube comments. I would argue its the SOLE reason that this website still exists. That and people can post pretty much anything they like.

      Its like flat earhers or any other wacky conspiracy that no one of consequence really believes. Its impossible to ignore the climate changing over the last 20 or 30 years. The willfully ignorant will always exist, I wouldn't let it bother you.

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    6. Re:AGW Denier trolls are out in force by oogoliegoogolie · · Score: 0

      So what are YOU doing to negate the affects of supposed man-made climate change?

      Have you given up your modern super-consumer-consumption-of-everyting-plastic 2018 lifestyle to live a more sustainable life like people did in the 1950s or earlier? Do you adamantly refuse to buy anything made of or enclosed in plastic? Do you refuse to ride in gasoline-engine cars and walk or ride a bike EVERYWHERE? Refuse to wear clothing from man-made fibers derived from oil and only wear clothing made of natural fibers like hemp, cotton, or jute? You gonna wear burlap shoes with leather soles instead of soft cushioned comfortable oil-derived athletic shoes when you play sports? Do you only eat local foods and refuse eat produce imported from thousands of mile away because ? Unless you live in a warm climate then say goodbye to bananas and fresh vegetables in the winter months except for local grown that can be stored for months like parsnip, potatoes, and carrots. How about never flying anywhere on a fuel guzzling jet anywhere for the rest of your life? I suspect the answer to all of these questions would be NO!

      That's the problem with the majority of climate change proponents. They are all talk and no action. They loudly scream and yell how climate change affects must be mitigated, but refuse to do anything about it because don't want to give up their cushy modern lifestyle. At least the adamant deniers aren't being hypocrites.

    7. Re:AGW Denier trolls are out in force by hyades1 · · Score: 2

      You shouldn't make judgments before knowing the facts. My carbon footprint is actually 'way below average.

      So yes, like many people who object to wrecking the planet in the name of rampant consumerism, I walk the walk.

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    8. Re:AGW Denier trolls are out in force by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      I don't completely agree with you, but it's good to have a reasoned conversation on the matter. And some of your points are either completely or partly valid.

      My main disagreement is that I don't believe at this point there's any reason to waste valuable time and effort trying to persuade people who have proved pretty comprehensively there is absolutely nothing that will change their minds. It would probably be best to just ignore them, but I find from time to time I can't resist showering them with a little of the ridicule and contempt they so richly deserve.

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    9. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force by jd · · Score: 1

      When the cynics tribally lynch the science, expect a response in kind. If you want better, be better.

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    10. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Initially? It has been discussed since 1895. It was confirmed by NASA in 1968. It was in textbooks in 1982. It was in the nrws in 1992.

      Whose initial?

      And who oversold it? The scientists? Or the deniers in their claims of what the scientists were claiming?

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    11. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force by jd · · Score: 1

      Most GW measures are cheaper and offer better return for investment. So, no, not austerity.

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    12. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force by jd · · Score: 2

      None of your proposals make any sense.

      But, then, why expect you to understand energy economy if you can't comprehend physics?

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    13. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force by reanjr · · Score: 1

      It's not anti-science to disregard alarmists. The reality is the global temps during the mid-holocene were about the same or higher as they are now. The mid-holocene is when mankind discovered civilization and writing, so returning to that era of temps just doesn't concern many of us.

    14. Re:AGW Denier trolls are out in force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /. is traditionally a dev/sysop/bofh/it kind of place.

      Which means that logic (which is presupposed by science anyway) tends to be folk's strong suits.

      But - it also means that we're pretty good at looking at what is actual science, and what is sciencism.

    15. Re:AGW Denier trolls are out in force by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      So what are YOU doing to negate the affects of supposed man-made climate change?

      The same thing that any rational person who believes in the betterment of civilization believes. Demand more nuclear power plants, improvements in nuclear energy, and promotion of a global grid of HVDC power transfer. Unfortunately, the environuts, NIMBY's, anti-development idiots have been protesting against that for the last 40 years.

      Have you given up your modern super-consumer-consumption-of-everyting-plastic 2018 lifestyle to live a more sustainable life like people did in the 1950s or earlier?

      LOL. Holy fuck, buddy, friend, pal, guy. People prior to the 1950's didn't live a sustainable lifestyle. When resources were expended to the point that it was no longer sustainable we either packed up and moved(or cities/towns died), or we started mass importing them as much as possible. I mean it's fun to pretend that the world prior to the 1950's was this eco-harmony of bullshit or whatever, but there's a reason cedar trees were mass-cut down in Lebanon. Why there's gigantic swaths of forest that haven't recovered from the big ship building era ~500 years ago either. Funny enough it was that era of shipbuilding that enabled some of the greatest leaps in sustainable forestry.

      Anyway, I'm not disagreeing with your point. Most people who engage in this environmental fervor aren't any different then the people who loved the olde opiate of the masses(state religion(s)). They've simply replaced one for the other, believe that they can absolve their sins by throwing money at a cause and/or telling people that they need to follow the examples of xyz 5600BC culture that has a maximum size of 183 people. Doesn't matter if you're assholes like Al Gore, David Suzuki or Bono(who don't follow what they preach) acting as the great priests and gospels of the new religion. Your actions can be forgiven as long as you promote the ideology and dogma.

      That's the problem with the majority of climate change proponents. They are all talk and no action. They loudly scream and yell how climate change affects must be mitigated, but refuse to do anything about it because don't want to give up their cushy modern lifestyle. At least the adamant deniers aren't being hypocrites.

      Well I believe that the "danger" is vastly overstated, that of course is because of ~50 years of 'the sky is falling' bullshit, and that's likely where a lot of other people come in. And I shouldn't forget that I live in a place where they keep screeching that "everything will be worse!" and "doom doom doom doom dooooooooooommmmmmm" everything will die! And the reality on the ground is actually different, not counting parts where humans were the result of various things being killed off or nearly killed off in the first place. You know like Monarch butterflies, which everyone screeches that their numbers are so low because of herbicides, pesticides and what not. When the actual answer is far simpler, governments introduced laws mandating the destruction of milkweed because it's poisonous and was declared a 'noxious weed' and even telling people to cut it down/pull it up to stop it from spreading. Ontario was really good at this, ~15 years of declaring it a weed effectively wiped out 90% of the population by our own actions - despite people stating this was a really fucking dumb move.

      To be realistic, if you want to make a truly fundamental impact on the world time to dust off your hands because that means a bunch of shit that'll be nasty. Everything from 3rd world intervention and uplifting large swaths of the planet to the same standards, to mass education, development plans and the crushing or full rewrite of cultures that hold expendability as a sign of success. I have no interest in giving up my cushy modern lifestyle though, dusting off a history book and reading 'and jimmy tilled the 10 acres fields with his hand plow for 3 weeks before planting while the ground was partially frozen' leaves me with no interest in that. Especially when you can do 300 acres in a couple of days with modern equipment.

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    16. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force by cstacy · · Score: 1

      And who oversold it? The scientists?

      No. Al Gore.

      That's where most people got their information about global warming from.

    17. Re:AGW Denier trolls are out in force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The solution was technological and should have started after President Jimmy Carter warned America to get off of fossil fuels back in the 1970's.

      Then we got President Ronald Reagan, who had a perfectly good solar water heater system removed from the White House because he thought it was some hippy-ass shit.

      We would be off of fossil fuels by now if it wasn't for money, and magical thinking about technology saving us is just as bad as climate change denial.

      And if we'd have moved away from oil aggressively after OPEC held the country hostage during the gas crisis, 9/11 never would have happened and hundreds of thousands of people killed in Middle Eastern wars would be alive and well, including thousands of US servicemen and women.

      And since Exxon and the rest have spent millions paying off politicians and on PR firms for decades, there's no one around who believes the science anymore, so how are you going to get the average American taxpayer to pony up the money for this magical technological solution?

      And where is this alleged "top down" control nonsense coming from? Who is at the top controlling anything?

      It's posts like this that cause people to become uncivil and call people stupid.

    18. Re:AGW Denier trolls are out in force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this such a popular strawman for deniers of anthropogenic climate change? I don't know of any climate scientist who is suggesting that we all just walk away from our lives, go live in caves, and eat bugs and stuff we scrape off the bottom of damp logs. Do you understand that there is an area in between that and profligate waste of non-renewable resources using the atmosphere and the sea as a dump for harmful byproducts? Climate change mitigation is something we can certainly achieve with a combination of improving the sustainability of our lifestyles and reducing our dependence upon carbon polluting fuels. It doesn't mean we all have to live like the Amish.

    19. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force by Layzej · · Score: 1

      Are you sure?

      We've erased 8000 years of cooling in decades. Can you guess what the next few have in store?

    20. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And who oversold it? The scientists?

      No. Al Gore.

      That's where most people got their information about global warming from.

      It's impossible to "oversell" an event that will end our civilization and result in the extinction of our species.

    21. Re:AGW Denier trolls are out in force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what are YOU doing to negate the affects of supposed man-made climate change?

      I understand the science and write climate models and I am doing nothing to negate the effects of man-made climate change because it is too late: WE ARE TOAST!

    22. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Well said.

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    23. Re:AGW Denier trolls are out in force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you given up your modern super-consumer-consumption-of-everyting-plastic 2018 lifestyle to live a more sustainable life like people did in the 1950s or earlier?
      I never had that lifestyle, my family gave up many plastic things since my mother and father divorced, she was a tupper ware seller. And plastic bags are not that common in Germany or rest of Europe anyway.
      Do you adamantly refuse to buy anything made of or enclosed in plastic?
      No, because a yoghurt in plastics costs less energy to transport than a yoghurt in a glass jar.
      You gonna wear burlap shoes with leather soles instead of soft cushioned comfortable oil-derived athletic shoes when you play sports?
      Yes and no. My shoes are usually leather. However I like sneakers, too (obviously with plastics soles as natural rubber is rare). The reason to refuse to buy sneakers is not the question from what they are made. The question is how they are made. They are made by nearly slave labour in Malaysia, Burma, Bangladesh etc. They cost less than $1 to produce and ship, and are sold for $200 and more in your "sports shop" around the corner. On top of that the labour conditions, and used chemicals are a nightmare.
      Regarding sports: I do martial arts. We practice bare footed ...

      Do you only eat local foods and refuse eat produce imported from thousands of mile away because ?
      No, as food like bananas does not grow locally in my country. Otherwise, yes. Why would I by lamb from New Zealand, which comes here frozen by ship, when I can buy lamb from France? (Germany is not a big "lamb" or "sheep" country). On the other hand I live at the french border and can just shop there in a supermarket.
      Unless you live in a warm climate then say goodbye to bananas and fresh vegetables in the winter months except for local grown that can be stored for months like parsnip, potatoes, and carrots.
      Not going to happen, and completely irrelevant regarding climate change.
      How about never flying anywhere on a fuel guzzling jet anywhere for the rest of your life?
      Rofl ... the keyboard warrior looking for a case. Hint: google how much fuel a plane actually uses per passenger. It is less than a quarter what your car is using, unless you put two extra passengers into it.
      Refuse to wear clothing from man-made fibers derived from oil and only wear clothing made of natural fibers like hemp, cotton, or jute?
      Yes, since about 45 years or so ... when I was 6 and made a tantrum my mother finally agreed that I'm allergic, or sensitive, or however you want to call it, to synthetic fibers. Most things worth wearing are made from natural material anyway, or do you own a suit made from synthetics?
      Do you refuse to ride in gasoline-engine cars and walk or ride a bike EVERYWHERE?
      Obviously, no. I use my car about three thousand km per year (wrote it in letters that you are not confused if I missed a few zeros).
      Roughly 1000km from my hometown to the french west coast (to practice two weeks martial arts), roughly 1000km back, roughly 300km when I'm there and the rest I spent moving to my father or hopping over the french border to buy things they don't sell for absurd reasons in Germany, like Oysters or god lamb meat or smoked duck chest or pigeons or quails, or simply fish, and of course Amere or Picon is basically not available in Germany.

      That's the problem with the majority of climate change proponents. They are all talk and no action.
      No it is not. However your personal decisions don't change the amount of CO2 your next steel plant is producing. Nor pushes it forward the switch from coal and nukes to renewables.
      I live now in Thailand, unless I'm working in Europe. Including my flights from and to Thailand, I produce less CO2 than before ... mostly we don't heat (we should actually), and have no AC. You know: we don't have the heat waves here that we have in Germany. And the winter in Germany is th

    24. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      No. Al Gore.

      Cite one thing he said that didn't turn out to be true.

      And I mean a direct citation, not a bullshit rumour created by some right-wing "journalist".

    25. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      The mid-holocene is when mankind discovered civilization and writing, so returning to that era of temps just doesn't concern many of us.

      And the world looked just like Mad Max, except for the cool cars.

    26. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about predictive models? I can't tell from what you posted.

      The consensus on the mid-holocene vs now isn't strong, but it generally favors comparable temps.

      Predictive computer models are suspect when the predictions are outside the range of measured values. Too many variables, feedback loops (negative and positive), etc. to put much stock in. In the 70s, we thought we were gonna have another ice age. The timelines for which we have data are miniscule.

      When you go back in time, the data is much more likely to be missing short-term highly variable output. It's mightily difficult to distinguish signal from noise. So, when you start talking about alarmist models (those that predict climate outside that found in human history), you're arguing on faith in a computer to model climate events which have never occurred.

    27. Re: AGW Denier trolls are out in force by Layzej · · Score: 1

      In the 70s, we thought we were gonna have another ice age.

      In the '70s we thought that a doubling of CO2 would lead to 2-3C warming. That's exactly what we're seeing. That's why the observed warming on the right side of this graph is vertical. Here's an Exxon scientist in 1978:

      "What is considered the best presently available climate model for treating the Greenhouse Effect predicts that a doubling of the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere would produce a mean temperature increase of about 2 C to 3 C over most of the Earth. The model also predicts that the temperature increase near the poles may be two to three times this value.

      - J.F. Black, Products Research Division, Exxon Research and Engineering Co.

      https://davidappell.blogspot.c...

  45. Re:"On record" = laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vikings did not document travel over the poles.

  46. "Oh NO!!!" say all "snowflakian beings", lol! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Why are "snowflakes" so scared of "global warming"? They already MELT under the pressure of life & geting warmer the process ACCELERATES even more, lmao...

    * Picked that one up on /. yesterday & it made me lmao!

    APK

    P.S.=> Probably true too, RoTfLmAo - imagine that: The OUTRIGHT MASS-EXTINCTION EVENT that's needed where "GLOBAL WARMING" (horseshit imo, a doubtless millenia long cyclical event e.g. like the ice age, a proven occurrence too) DOES US ALL A GIGANTIC FAVOR ridding of us of their pestilence... apk

  47. Re:Big whoop! by WuestenFuchs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We are not measuring things on a geological scale, but in human terms. So your argument is invalid. During most of the 4.543 billion years that earths exists, it was not habitable by humans. And even during long periods when earth was more or less habitable, most places where people live now, were under water or otherwise inhabitable. Also, please google "xkcd 1732" and watch, then think again.

  48. Good News by splashd · · Score: 1

    Having lived in Alaska, I take this as good news. Cold is bad

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    1. Re:Good News by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Having lived in Alaska, I take this as good news. Cold is bad

      Just wait until you find out how much Alaskan infrastructure is dependent on what is currently permafrost remaining permafrost.

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  49. Fraud in the National Climate Assessment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tony Heller is so spot on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j46mnIcz330&t=23s

  50. The Sky is Falling! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    10 years ago Al Gore assured us the Arctic would be ice free in 5 years. As long as the left wing gives air time to nut jobs like Al Gore, expect the right wing to scoff.

    But, you say, you personally already scoff at Al Gore, and he's no longer given much air time? Sorry, the memory of his fame persists. Until the left wing stops with the hysterical predictions, the right wing won't take them seriously. So now it's the UN that says there's only 12 years left to cut fossil fuels, or it's TEOTWAWKI. 12 years from now when we're still muddling through, will they make a similar pronouncement?

    1. Re:The Sky is Falling! by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      10 years ago Al Gore assured us the Arctic would be ice free in 5 years.

      He didn't.

  51. Re:"On record" = laughable by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately I could not find any kind of documents (not even from warming denyers) that talk about anything you post there, maybe you can provide a source?

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  52. Re: "On record" = laughable by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Informative

    Erh... no.

    Looking around the web, I could not find anyone pointing towards "grapes from Greenland". Not even climate change deniers dared to try to run that story. The furthest north that we find an attempt to grow grapes is southern England. Grapes, by the way, are a rather poor measurement for how warm it was, simply for the fact that Christianity needs wine (and hence the grapes to make it) for its ceremonies. So even if the chance for success was close to zero or the quality simply atrocious, people would have tried to grow grapes, no matter the cost, the quality or the quantity of the outcome.

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  53. Re:Second hottest year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, 2016 was hotter and everybody died. Kidding aside, it wasn't a catastrophic event then and it is not one today.

  54. Re:"On record" = laughable by oogoliegoogolie · · Score: 0

    I just got back from a week in Miami. 30 years ago the "climatologists" were predicting the Keys and a third of continental Florida would be underwater by now. Well gosh, to my surprise it hasn't happened yet. In fact almost nothing that has been predicted has happened. The visible negative effects of climate change is a moving target like sustainable fusion power-it's always 20-50 years away.

  55. Re: "On record" = laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they should stop building along the coasts. Anyone with an IQ north of 90 should be able to deduce that shorelines always change regardless of the climate or human activity.

  56. Re:Big whoop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Underwater critters of the Permian age didn't need to farm to survive. Dinosaurs didn't need to farm to survive. Oh, and the Permian era critters are mostly dead, as are the dinosaurs.

  57. Re:Big whoop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    100% of p51d "007" faggot's rant comes from the fact that he got a baseball bat stuck up his ass as a child and he STILL can't get it out.

  58. Anthropogenic? by mi · · Score: 0

    During most of the 4.543 billion years that earths exists, it was not habitable by humans. And even during long periods when earth was more or less habitable, most places where people live now, were under water or otherwise inhabitable

    Thank you for this important reminder, that the planet's climate can change — drastically and dramatically — with human involvement neither for nor against it.

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    1. Re:Anthropogenic? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      During most of the 4.543 billion years that earths exists, it was not habitable by humans. And even during long periods when earth was more or less habitable, most places where people live now, were under water or otherwise inhabitable

      Thank you for this important reminder, that the planet's climate can change â" drastically and dramatically â" with human involvement neither for nor against it.

      That is not an important reminder, it's something we all know and it's also irrelevant to the current debate, which is over global warming which we know to be anthropogenic because of physics. HTH, HAND!

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    2. Re:Anthropogenic? by mi · · Score: 1

      which is over global warming which we know to be anthropogenic

      Nothing a Tasmanian shaman wouldn't claim, when trying to explain the rising seas turning the peninsula into an island: "Bring me the offerings so I can pray to the spirits to spare what's left of our land! And kill the deniers!"

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  59. Obligatory: Earth Temperature Timeline by kbahey · · Score: 4, Informative

    Obligatory: Earth Temperature Timeline, courtesy of XKCD.

  60. Re: "On record" = laughable by jd · · Score: 1

    No, no travel over the poles. They'd have had a hard time sailing over the southern one, even if they'd known it existed.

    But, no, Lief Erikkson sailed to Newfoundland following the known course of Brenden the Navigator. And he was the furthest north.

    Nobody sailed north of the north wind, as the Arctic region was known.

    If deniers are resorting to fraudulent sagas, even they know they've lost the debate.

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  61. Re: "On record" = laughable by jd · · Score: 0

    You won't find them.

    The claim is founded on assuming Greenland is Vinland from Lief Errikson's saga. In other words, a fraudulant saga.

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  62. Re: "On record" = laughable by jd · · Score: 1

    Irrevelant. It was warmer in the Jurassic because CO2 and O2 were greatly elevated, as was humidity, and the magnetosphere was three times as strong.

    It was also constant. The Jurasic didn't warm up at a fantastic pace, things were ADAPTED to the conditions.

    The biosphere was healthy and diverse, not massively degraded.

    All these factors impact the significance of temperatures. But they're never considered by deniers in their bid to corrupt the data by eliminating the facts that don't fit their claims.

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  63. Re:"On record" = laughable by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    Moving slowly in from the sea over 100-300 years isn't so difficult as buildings and roads age anyway, and 100-300 years from now, society will be less recognizable to today than today would be to people in 1900 or 1700.

    I argue any draconian measures to arrest GW that slows technological progress will be of more harm than good.

    I'd rather live in 2100 with year 2100 tech and gw than 2100 with a pristine environment and year 2080 tech, slowed due to drags on the economy.

    The real enemy continues to be sickness and death.

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  64. Re: "On record" = laughable by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, they really weren't. Stop using Infowars as your encyclopedia. Find me a peer reviewed paper in a reputable journal that said that, with proof that other scientists backed the claim.

    You won't find the paper.

    That's because it exists only in fantasy.

    Give over, you can live your life in fantasy but don't expect us to live in your fantasy too.

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  65. Re: Second hottest year by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    There are not only two years on record, so the second hottest isn't really the coolest...

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  66. No large drop in ice extent or area? by Straumli+Perversion · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's interesting that there was no large drop in sea ice extent or area this year to match the exceptional warming. The numbers came in around where the last few years have, and much higher than 2016 or 2012.

    Sea Ice Area: https://web.nersc.no/WebData/a...
    Sea Ice Extent: https://web.nersc.no/WebData/a...

    1. Re:No large drop in ice extent or area? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's interesting that there was no large drop in sea ice extent or area this year to match the exceptional warming.

      No, it really isn't. What's most interesting isn't extent, it's mass. i.e., the thickness matters a lot more.

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  67. Re:Second hottest year by themusicgod1 · · Score: 1

    Especially given we're at the part in an 11 year solar cycle where it's *supposed* to be getting cooler than the year before.

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  68. Re: Big whoop! by jd · · Score: 1

    We have 100,000 years of data.

    But don't let facrs detract from your scumbag fantasy world.

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  69. Re: Since 1900 by jd · · Score: 1

    We have 100,000 years of records.

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  70. Nope. Deniers said he did, though. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But they're all liars.

    What he said was that when the WAIS and GIS melted (no timeframe), florida would be under several m of water.

    Deniers just obey the bleats of their sheeplike masters, though, so don't care if it's BS. It sounds like what they want to hear, so they obey.

    1. Re:Nope. Deniers said he did, though. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's one timeline Gore gave of 5-7 years. He said similar things numerous times, although granted, usually referring to others predictions.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsioIw4bvzI

      Even the left wing snopes cites examples of Gore making the prediction that it would be completely ice free, including a timeline:

      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-caps-melt-gore-2014/

    2. Re:Nope. Deniers said he did, though. by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      He noted that some studies suggested it would be ice free in summer. That was an outlier, and he would have been better to have gone with a mainstream projection (currently somewhere in the region of 2050, down from around 2100).

    3. Re:Nope. Deniers said he did, though. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're making my point. You say 'outlier' and I say 'hysterical predictions'. That's what the mainstream media reports, and what people remember is that New York City is supposed to be underwater already. Start reporting seriously, instead of trying to push a political and economic agenda under the cover of environmental sky-is-falling scare tactics, and people will take the issue more seriously.

    4. Re:Nope. Deniers said he did, though. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      You're making my point. You say 'outlier' and I say 'hysterical predictions'. That's what the mainstream media reports, and what people remember is that New York City is supposed to be underwater already.

      Al Gore reported it as being an outlier, and the media reported it in big letters because that's how they get eyeballs. It's the media's fault, not Al Gore. Don't blame Al Gore.

      Start reporting seriously, instead of trying to push a political and economic agenda under the cover of environmental sky-is-falling scare tactics, and people will take the issue more seriously.

      That's not how any of this works. The scientists are reporting their results as usual, and the media is warping it into bullshit to sell media as usual. That's the media's fault, but they're not doing what you're doing. Remember, media is overwhelmingly owned by massive, polluting, amoral corporate interests. They would rather push the idea that AGW is less serious than scientists claim, or even that it's not happening at all. But as news outlets, they sensationalize news to get more viewers/readers, and they also don't employ writers who understand the news so they tend to get things wrong. They're not pushing a political agenda, they're pushing an economic one — selling ads.

      You see a conspiracy where there is none. There is only sleaziness. Know how to fix it? Make the papers responsible for accuracy. For one thing, you should only be able to call facts "news", but Faux News already fought that battle and beat us.

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  71. Had to use NOAA because IPCC = Liars = Rothschild by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NOAA are liars too. Their science is a bunch of fake fabricated data to push the Rothschild banker syndicate "Man made global warming" agenda. The same exact thing as the IPCC. Except;

    The IPCC are fake science junk data who are directly owned by the Rothchilds had the NOAA release this "science alert" since IPCC created the completely fake and fabricated their data into a Hockey Stick Graph

    Enjoy your Hockey Stick graph slashdot, you stupid n i g g e r. You parrot repeating CNN loving cunts will eventually die.

  72. Re: Since 1900 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what your saying we had someone monitoring the temperature in the arctic and recording it for the last 100,000 years? Did you even bother reading the article? It says since 1900. I was arguing the that its a ridiculous assumption to assume that since a high temperature value was recorded that means global warming is actually happening that's very terrible science. Because this is what this article of propaganda is really about. Since you're to lazy to actually read I posted it below for you.

    "According to a new report released on Tuesday by the U.S. National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, the Arctic had its second-hottest year on record in 2018. "Arctic air temperatures for the past five years have exceeded all previous records since 1900," according to the annual NOAA study, the 2018 Arctic Report Card, which said the year was second only to 2016 in overall warmth in the region. Reuters reports:"

  73. Since 1900 = weather not climate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the last 120 years got warm. Tuff titty for those drowning PagoPago Islanders. Weather is a bitch. Same with warmist Trotsky-sluts. Choke on a tofu-puff snowflakes. Then, in a couple-a thousand years get back to me with a climate report. Next Ice-Age should be starting and mink-jackets in fashion. Until then ... wear a feckin-A condom when it rains.

  74. Re:"On record" = laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you can't do anything about it warmist bitchboi ... temps go up-down and water goes back-forth. Don't build where it floods and don't populate with nibbaz what you can't feed from white efforts. But ... grab-for-power with an eco-excuse. Yeah you can try that and I can smash yo face for the trouble.

  75. Re:"On record" = laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Don't want to go back to the dinosaurs as usual to show just how warm earth can be and still sustain life?"

    Of course it can sustain life - just not HUMAN life.

    There were no humans during the dinosaur age.

  76. Re: Second hottest year by Anon-Admin · · Score: 1

    But if we are talking about the arctic then we are talking about WEATHER and not CLIMATE.

    As has been said over and over, local weather is not proof of climate change or the lack of climate change.

  77. Lesson for aspies and incels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might not be aware but none of us care about your arbitrary definition of words. If the original statements were not clear to you, then ask for clarification to resolve ambiguity. Snide remarks and personal attacks doesn't make you look like the genius in this thread.

  78. Re: Second hottest year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where is your evidence that incorrect papers are more likely to be published? It's a bold claim.

  79. Re:"On record" = laughable by q_e_t · · Score: 1

    The risk isn't just a bit of sea level rise, but significant changes to ecosystems which might result in the loss of a number of ecosystem services. If the cost of reducing CO2 emissions is less than the cost of replacing those ecosystem services with artificial versions, then the pragmatic option is to reduce CO2 emissions. Examples of such services including things like pollination by bees. If services are lost and can only be replaced by more expensive options then there would be GW and a drag on the economy. And whilst it might be possible to replace pollination by bees with a technological option, you also have to take into account the risk that it may not be, and so that can mean that caution is advisable.

  80. Re: "On record" = laughable by cstacy · · Score: 1

    No, they really weren't. Stop using Infowars as your encyclopedia. Find me a peer reviewed paper in a reputable journal that said that

    I think he was using Al Gore as his source; that's who made the outrageous claims about things being underwater by now.

  81. Re: "On record" = laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When did he say that? Link or STFU.

  82. Re:"On record" = laughable by greythax · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm going to ignore the rest of the shocking ignorance of this post and ask what makes you think we have to halt all technological progress to correct AGW? The tech that is causing the problem was literally invented in the 19th century! If anything, combating AGW will force us to use 21st century tech.

    Also, a little fact about the economy, it works best when the money keeps moving. Like when you replace all your old crap by buying new crap.

  83. Re: Second hottest year by Layzej · · Score: 1

    But if we are talking about the arctic then we are talking about WEATHER and not CLIMATE.

    As has been said over and over, local weather is not proof of climate change or the lack of climate change.

    climate - noun - the weather conditions prevailing in an area in general or over a long period.

    Perhaps you are thinking of global warming? (which, as the name suggests, refers to global average temperature and is not specific to any particular region).

  84. Re: "On record" = laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to read my post again. I'm saying that abrupt changes in climate are what's actually damaging to the biosphere. I used the end-Permian extinction as an example, where the warming probably took place over about 20,000 years. That's extremely fast compared to the scale of geologic time, and for comparison, the recovery probably took about 10 million years. The warming that's occurring now is also incredibly abrupt, which is why it's so concerning. It's difficult to determine the precise causes of the end-Permian extinction, but as I've learned more about it and seen some of the recent research, it seems to me that there are some parallels to what we're doing now. I'm not a denier and, in fact, was refuting the OP.

  85. high tides - sunny day coastal flooding by Layzej · · Score: 1

    Not sure that he did, but: "In 2017, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) found that cities around the country experienced a record number of flooding events related to high tides, according to the National Climate Report. More than a quarter of coastal locations tied or set new records for the number of flooding days. And in 2018, flooding on the US coastline is expected to be 60% higher than it was just 20 years ago." - https://www.businessinsider.co...

  86. Re: "On record" = laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vineland, that actually comes indeed from "wine". But it was not wine made from grapes but berries.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Vineland never was mixed up with Greenland. Greenland is Greenland, as it was much greener than Iceland (which where not icy, but barren at that time, more or less like today anyway). However for the sake of the Saga, you can see the narrative arc: ice, green, wine.

    angel'o'sphere

  87. Re:"On record" = laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You insensitive clod! I'm 800m above sea level! Of course I care if it gets washed away in a flood! But most likely this are never was sea level but part of the mantle of the earth ... anyway ...

    angel'o'sphere

  88. Re:"On record" = laughable by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Except that it didn't. From what we can tell today, it was a period of non-homogeneous slight variations in temperature. Today Britain, tomorrow Black Sea. The reason for which is still mostly a mystery, but what can be said is that whatever caused it was mostly concentrated in the northern hemisphere, and here in Eurasia.

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  89. Re:"On record" = laughable by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    That's pretty much the point.

    There was also life on Earth during the Late Bombardment period. And boy, you better believe it was warmer than today! With MUCH higher CO2 and MUCH lower (read: zero) Oxygen levels.

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  90. Re: "On record" = laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear that the government is hiding all the satellite data from the forties that proves that it.is all a scam conspiracy of the nazi commie Hindu Muslims trying to come and steal our women and freedom.

    #infowars #believe

  91. Re:"On record" = laughable by scrout · · Score: 0

    Flooding? Exactly where? I have been visiting the exact same spot on the Oregon coast since 1962. There have been exactly ZERO examples of any mitigation needed for sea level rise. Not one person has had to do shit because of SLR. Pick another catastrophe please, SLR is just not a problem. When you come up with shit like this, the so called deniers are correct, you dont know what you are talking about and are just on the effing bandwagon. Please POST the SLR numbers on existing tide gauges that show this SLR. Bloody hell......

  92. Re:"On record" = laughable by DogDude · · Score: 1

    Hey, dumbfuck: sea level rise isn't consistent everywhere. Learn something. Read an IPCC report.

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  93. Re: Since 1900 by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    "So what your saying we had someone monitoring the temperature in the arctic and recording it for the last 100,000 years?"

    Before there was Ice Cube, in fact before there were ice cubes, there was just ice. That ice effectively stored climate data for us, which we have subsequently learned to decode. I'm talking to you like a child because you're acting like one. Adult up, son.

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    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  94. We're aware arth1 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're aware arth1 "idiot savant" (lol) = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" vs. https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & why: SOLID PROOF & TECH REASONS why ANY linux distro (a modern KUbuntu 18.04 LTS proves you wrong) would be STUPID ENOUGH to do DNS before file (hosts) in nsswitch as you said.

    Especilally when I prove systemd (in most modern Linux) DEFAULTS to a more than potentially kaminsky flaw redirected ISP DNS!

    (Which most will use by default unlike myself shifting to OpenDNS & most modems supplied by ISP's by default don't allow DNS change IN THE MODEM itself (which I just went thru getting 2 in a row that don't allow it - heck, 1 by technicolor from SPECTRUM (timewarner in my area formerly) DIDN'T EVEN ALLOW ME, or the remote TECHS mind you, INTO IT @ ALL (China supplied no less)).

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer that wannabe "sysadmin" (who I annihilate in that link & others)... apk