In Win9X it's not always irrecoverable, but it does occur... Blah blah blah cause a fatal exception in module *some hex code* or Windows has become unstable... Also Win2K will BSOD... you just have to turn the default automatic reboot upon STOP messages off. I've had it BSOD... 2K doesn't like Nero.. had to install the cmdcons to suck the device drivers out since I was formatted NTFS.
NONONO... it will even run on a bondi iMac... G3 and G4...read the docs since the beginning of OS X'dom. They aren't stupid enough to abandon that many machines... remember by making G3 the cutoff you still have 3 years worth of machines before you can't run OS X.
Huh... the dual G4 is the only one available with the exception of the $1599 400 Mhz and the cube machines. Second don't forget the 9600/200and 180 MP machines. MacOS has been SMP since 8.6, and OS X from nearly the start... (Rhapsody). Also not this post but one or so above it... why do the megahertz morons continue their spiel about Gigahertz PC's..? Who fscking cares? the dual 500Mhz G4 performs in some cases like a 2 Ghz PC... they aren't available yet. 7+ Gigaflops is 7+ Gigaflops. CHRP/POP isn't mass produced and RS/6000's are expen$ive out the wazoo.
8.1 was the 68k cutoff.. just look at GemSoft's Mac emulator for the PC... they emulate an 040 which OS 8.1 barely supported, but nonetheless did. 7.6.1 was the last 030 OS.
When you are talking about the Mac and its target market, Solaris, SCO, Linux, and FreeBSD are irrelevant. The point is since Darwin and OS X share the same code base, they are binary compatible... with the right tools you can do the same as if not more than Linux/FreeBSD... plus grandma and her poodle can use it... plus it runs OS 9.X apps... and Carbon apps... and is attractive.. and will run Playstation games and almost all x86 OS'es, Connectix is no slouch. I've been using both open source OS's (Linux, OpenBSD, FreeBSD) and Solaris, and they're great, but freakishly ugly and broken in UI... thanks to X-Windows.
Apple is actually doing everything in its power to avoid this by taking the CLI and developer tools off of OS X and even off of the CD as an optional install... whether they will sell CD's or offer them for download remains to be seen, but they don't wish to encourage anyone to program for the BSD component of their OS alone. This is really what Cocoa is for, and is far more elegant. This is of course straight from one the OS X engineers at Macworld's mouth.
Having followed the technology since 1997, and the development cycle on Stepwise and other locations, the Red Box was sort of an MOSR. It was a complete fallacy as far as actual Apple Technology goes. It was also somewhat revived after the "Star Trek" rumor was reconsidered in light of OpenSTEP 4.2 (prelude to Rhapsody) and Rhapsody DR1 for Intel. Rhapsody was renamed because Apple didn't want people playing with OS's in boxes. They wanted Classic to be transparent to the user, and to transition developers gently to Cocoa through Carbon.
Why does everyone assume Steve Wozniak is rich. I don't know how much money he has, nor do I really care if he is technically rich, but he has always made it a point to adjust his salary to that of an engineer while at Apple.
Because on screen Apple computers have a wow factor that only SGI Workstations can match... PC's are ugly for the most part with the exception of Sony cases. Also it is the artist effect... many of those people are artists, and that is what they use every day of their lives for the most part. and Powerbooks are just sexy esp with the glowing white apple on top.
No UNIX clone will be a consumer OS until it has: Copy/Cut/Paste and Drag&Drop integrated in the OS. (vi commands are great for editing a single document if you know what you are doing, but in The Real World users need to move text between different apps all the time) It's called Mac OS X, and it will be beta in August and out next year.
One must also consider the fact that the "perfect baby" is not the perfect baby for everyone. I am certainly afraid that the great group of wrongly minded majority will create perfect babies and those whom we love will be extinct. Take for example larger people (which are not conclusively less healthy, and are only societally less desirable..there are a great number of men and women who are attracted only to these people... but this is a petty example). If one removes a category of people from the earth, what's to stop people from saying green eyes are evil..or short people. and will those perfect babies become megalomaniacs who take over the world...think Space Seed. Hmm so the Eugenics wars do happen in the early 20th century. And of course the opposite could happen... Prozac makers could tailor people with affinities and needs for their drugs... Roche could tailor impotent men... so they'd always need Viagra. Hmmm ABUSE ABUSE ABUSE... and not the Lisp game.
You can actually see this effect in the original Star Trek movies I-IV. I had the greatest warp effect which they got rid of. II had awesome structural damage... burns... scarring of the ship. Shadows...dustiness... a real model. At the time TNG looked so darn fake it was stupid...especially the shield splash on an invisible bubble effect which happened 3 times then the ship blew up or had a core breach imminent... made Star Trek II so much better... now that's a ship...(Reliant one of my faves)... takes such a beating and still dishes it out.
Yes and I was hoping that the Special Edition Soundtrack still had the old Ewok song and the old Jabba's lair song as well as the sailbarge songs. The new age jazz crud they added at the end of the movie should have been cut off when panning to the ewoks. The ewok song was far more convincing... and yes as an adult I like both Jar Jar and the ewoks. The key to appreciating episode I is to go in with the expectation that it will be awful... then you are pleasantly surprised because viewed against the other 3 it is worse, but it isn't bad. This same technique can be used to learn to like Star Trek V. I actually have the sheet music to the original Ewok Anthem...(to be played by a school band) The ewoks spoke a tibetan dialect... wonder what the song is about... if it isn't gibberish.
Yes I love these... like firing a gun... squeeze the key... gently then TOCK! off it goes firing those letters at near the speed of light into working memory... the feel!:-)My old boss has a cabinet full of them... I just keep swiping them every now and then... I ask first of course... They are great.
As a monopoly in BIG IRON that would be equivalent to shooting themselves not in the foot but in the head. No other machines compare to S/390's. The AS/400 even is without compare. Sun Enterprise machines only go so far... and since SGI sold-out...(puke SGI's with Intel processors) and doesn't know how to market the high-end (Cray) anymore, IBM is the only one really doing the active supercomputer research. They are even licensing their chip technologies to other companies. They are about to manufacture Alphas, they have some of the best hard-drives in the world, and even though some of their desktop PC's are shoddy, they have really cool cases. (Yeah stupid arg.... but not that much of their stuff is shoddy anymore). AIX may die, but not their mainframe stuff.
Solaris is nice. I never had ksh on mine (2.5.1) I think I had sh and csh. I don't remember exactly, but the Korn shell isn't one I remember. It may have also had tcsh and possibly bash. I actually had to tweak the code to Maelstrom to get it to work with sound on Solx86... not trivial since sun sound was broken for streaming so I had to use OSS from 4front and trick the machine into believing it was Linux during the compile. Perhaps Mac OS X will be a good GNU-meets-commercial-meets-desktop environment. The current DP's from what I gather as well as OS X Server contain gcc/egcs, and all the great features of FreeBSD... with a great UI on top.
Solaris x86 isn't a dead duck... just is slowly becoming indistinguishable from Linux. They are adding linux compatibility to 8 so it's basically like FreeBSD+. There are hundreds and maybe thousands of new packages for Solx86... compared to when I started with it (2.5.1). AIX I haven't heard any raves about but it's IBM, and IBM has been doing some impressive things lately... and well Aptivas may suck somewhat but RS/6000's kick some serious derriere. I love this new S/390 Linux project. Sun won't change... they have no reason to. They make the best high end scalable UNIX products around. They may not have the fastest super-cluster, or the quickest file-server... they are the strongest middle of the road 70% average in the UNIX market... they are losing market share to Linux only because Linux is free... but where they are strongest, Linux is not yet a substitute. HP-UX wouldn't suprise me. But I bet HP would sooner just give up.
Actually as I remember it... I could be wrong... but FreeSCO came out first (the OpenServer 5 version not the Unixware), which I bought the CD media for 19$... decided it was the fastest, stablest, ugliest, and most restrictive UNIX I'd seen for x86. Fast and stable... but Wintiff and the fact that it runs out of 10 telnet licenses (who ever heard of a telnet login license... STUPID)... I then tried Student Solaris x86 for $99 (not quite free yet v. 2.5.1) and the rest was history... now there was a product I enjoyed using just about as much as Linux... given there was no software and I had to compile everything myself (there is now plenty of software for this platform), it was fun.
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In Win9X it's not always irrecoverable, but it does occur... Blah blah blah cause a fatal exception in module *some hex code* or Windows has become unstable ... Also Win2K will BSOD... you just have to turn the default automatic reboot upon STOP messages off. I've had it BSOD... 2K doesn't like Nero.. had to install the cmdcons to suck the device drivers out since I was formatted NTFS.
NONONO... it will even run on a bondi iMac... G3 and G4...read the docs since the beginning of OS X'dom. They aren't stupid enough to abandon that many machines... remember by making G3 the cutoff you still have 3 years worth of machines before you can't run OS X.
Huh... the dual G4 is the only one available with the exception of the $1599 400 Mhz and the cube machines. Second don't forget the 9600/200and 180 MP machines. MacOS has been SMP since 8.6, and OS X from nearly the start... (Rhapsody). Also not this post but one or so above it... why do the megahertz morons continue their spiel about Gigahertz PC's..? Who fscking cares? the dual 500Mhz G4 performs in some cases like a 2 Ghz PC... they aren't available yet. 7+ Gigaflops is 7+ Gigaflops. CHRP/POP isn't mass produced and RS/6000's are expen$ive out the wazoo.
8.1 was the 68k cutoff.. just look at GemSoft's Mac emulator for the PC... they emulate an 040 which OS 8.1 barely supported, but nonetheless did. 7.6.1 was the last 030 OS.
When you are talking about the Mac and its target market, Solaris, SCO, Linux, and FreeBSD are irrelevant. The point is since Darwin and OS X share the same code base, they are binary compatible... with the right tools you can do the same as if not more than Linux/FreeBSD... plus grandma and her poodle can use it... plus it runs OS 9.X apps... and Carbon apps... and is attractive.. and will run Playstation games and almost all x86 OS'es, Connectix is no slouch. I've been using both open source OS's (Linux, OpenBSD, FreeBSD) and Solaris, and they're great, but freakishly ugly and broken in UI... thanks to X-Windows.
Apple is actually doing everything in its power to avoid this by taking the CLI and developer tools off of OS X and even off of the CD as an optional install... whether they will sell CD's or offer them for download remains to be seen, but they don't wish to encourage anyone to program for the BSD component of their OS alone. This is really what Cocoa is for, and is far more elegant. This is of course straight from one the OS X engineers at Macworld's mouth.
He probably meant to say Mac SE/30's since the thin, fat, plus, and original SE will not run Linux, NetBSD, or OpenBSD because of the lack of an MMU.
Nah.. that would require a monolithic kernel, we all know that OS X uses Mach 3.0 with some 4.0 xtensions for kernel modules and such.
Having followed the technology since 1997, and the development cycle on Stepwise and other locations, the Red Box was sort of an MOSR. It was a complete fallacy as far as actual Apple Technology goes. It was also somewhat revived after the "Star Trek" rumor was reconsidered in light of OpenSTEP 4.2 (prelude to Rhapsody) and Rhapsody DR1 for Intel. Rhapsody was renamed because Apple didn't want people playing with OS's in boxes. They wanted Classic to be transparent to the user, and to transition developers gently to Cocoa through Carbon.
Why does everyone assume Steve Wozniak is rich. I don't know how much money he has, nor do I really care if he is technically rich, but he has always made it a point to adjust his salary to that of an engineer while at Apple.
Because on screen Apple computers have a wow factor that only SGI Workstations can match... PC's are ugly for the most part with the exception of Sony cases. Also it is the artist effect... many of those people are artists, and that is what they use every day of their lives for the most part. and Powerbooks are just sexy esp with the glowing white apple on top.
No UNIX clone will be a consumer OS until it has: Copy/Cut/Paste and Drag&Drop integrated in the OS. (vi commands are great for editing a single document if you know what you are doing, but in The Real World users need to move text between different apps all the time) It's called Mac OS X, and it will be beta in August and out next year.
One must also consider the fact that the "perfect baby" is not the perfect baby for everyone. I am certainly afraid that the great group of wrongly minded majority will create perfect babies and those whom we love will be extinct. Take for example larger people (which are not conclusively less healthy, and are only societally less desirable..there are a great number of men and women who are attracted only to these people... but this is a petty example). If one removes a category of people from the earth, what's to stop people from saying green eyes are evil..or short people. and will those perfect babies become megalomaniacs who take over the world...think Space Seed. Hmm so the Eugenics wars do happen in the early 20th century. And of course the opposite could happen... Prozac makers could tailor people with affinities and needs for their drugs... Roche could tailor impotent men... so they'd always need Viagra. Hmmm ABUSE ABUSE ABUSE... and not the Lisp game.
You can actually see this effect in the original Star Trek movies I-IV. I had the greatest warp effect which they got rid of. II had awesome structural damage... burns... scarring of the ship. Shadows...dustiness... a real model. At the time TNG looked so darn fake it was stupid...especially the shield splash on an invisible bubble effect which happened 3 times then the ship blew up or had a core breach imminent... made Star Trek II so much better... now that's a ship...(Reliant one of my faves)... takes such a beating and still dishes it out.
Yes and I was hoping that the Special Edition Soundtrack still had the old Ewok song and the old Jabba's lair song as well as the sailbarge songs. The new age jazz crud they added at the end of the movie should have been cut off when panning to the ewoks. The ewok song was far more convincing... and yes as an adult I like both Jar Jar and the ewoks. The key to appreciating episode I is to go in with the expectation that it will be awful... then you are pleasantly surprised because viewed against the other 3 it is worse, but it isn't bad. This same technique can be used to learn to like Star Trek V. I actually have the sheet music to the original Ewok Anthem...(to be played by a school band) The ewoks spoke a tibetan dialect... wonder what the song is about... if it isn't gibberish.
Or the sounds of thunking code.
I think C-pound hits it right on the head. As in using MS-oft's language you have to pound your computer into submission C what I'm sayin.
So this would make Disney MickeySoft... heh
Yes I love these... like firing a gun... squeeze the key... gently then TOCK! off it goes firing those letters at near the speed of light into working memory... the feel! :-)My old boss has a cabinet full of them... I just keep swiping them every now and then... I ask first of course... They are great.
As a monopoly in BIG IRON that would be equivalent to shooting themselves not in the foot but in the head. No other machines compare to S/390's. The AS/400 even is without compare. Sun Enterprise machines only go so far... and since SGI sold-out...(puke SGI's with Intel processors) and doesn't know how to market the high-end (Cray) anymore, IBM is the only one really doing the active supercomputer research. They are even licensing their chip technologies to other companies. They are about to manufacture Alphas, they have some of the best hard-drives in the world, and even though some of their desktop PC's are shoddy, they have really cool cases. (Yeah stupid arg.... but not that much of their stuff is shoddy anymore). AIX may die, but not their mainframe stuff.
Solaris is nice. I never had ksh on mine (2.5.1) I think I had sh and csh. I don't remember exactly, but the Korn shell isn't one I remember. It may have also had tcsh and possibly bash. I actually had to tweak the code to Maelstrom to get it to work with sound on Solx86... not trivial since sun sound was broken for streaming so I had to use OSS from 4front and trick the machine into believing it was Linux during the compile. Perhaps Mac OS X will be a good GNU-meets-commercial-meets-desktop environment. The current DP's from what I gather as well as OS X Server contain gcc/egcs, and all the great features of FreeBSD... with a great UI on top.
Yes only bash them when they start fiddling with the rheostat.
ROTFLMAO Nuff said.
Solaris x86 isn't a dead duck... just is slowly becoming indistinguishable from Linux. They are adding linux compatibility to 8 so it's basically like FreeBSD+. There are hundreds and maybe thousands of new packages for Solx86... compared to when I started with it (2.5.1). AIX I haven't heard any raves about but it's IBM, and IBM has been doing some impressive things lately... and well Aptivas may suck somewhat but RS/6000's kick some serious derriere. I love this new S/390 Linux project. Sun won't change... they have no reason to. They make the best high end scalable UNIX products around. They may not have the fastest super-cluster, or the quickest file-server... they are the strongest middle of the road 70% average in the UNIX market... they are losing market share to Linux only because Linux is free... but where they are strongest, Linux is not yet a substitute. HP-UX wouldn't suprise me. But I bet HP would sooner just give up.
Actually as I remember it... I could be wrong... but FreeSCO came out first (the OpenServer 5 version not the Unixware), which I bought the CD media for 19$... decided it was the fastest, stablest, ugliest, and most restrictive UNIX I'd seen for x86. Fast and stable... but Wintiff and the fact that it runs out of 10 telnet licenses (who ever heard of a telnet login license... STUPID)... I then tried Student Solaris x86 for $99 (not quite free yet v. 2.5.1) and the rest was history... now there was a product I enjoyed using just about as much as Linux... given there was no software and I had to compile everything myself (there is now plenty of software for this platform), it was fun.