So, your definition of democracy is something like:
"Democracy: There are 2 parties. The one who accepts the most black money and pressure from major corporations win."
It is funny, in most European countries people and politicians discuss various issues concerning the country during their campaign. In US, politicians throw dirt and hugs babies...
Well, at least I'm man enough to mention my name at my postings, unlike many others.
Simplistic, because I've seen through much of the western-propaganda and actually studied things thoroughly instead of speaking about issues I don't have any knowledge about?
I know you probably was close to brain-washed in high school and elementary to believe in "American Values" and hating communism and anything resembling a social responsability, because you live in a country celebrating the opposite.
Well, I live in Denmark and here we have chosen the golden way in the middle, no one is falling a sleep hungry, and a lot of people also have castle-like houses.
Do you _seriously_ think that the USSR were the good guys?
No! My formulation was not that good, what I meant was that both US and USSR had an equal amount of guilt in the out-break of the Cold War. (The monetary reform in West-Germany as one of the major issues).
In most of Serbia the Albanians were discriminated, but in Kosovo the Serbs were the discriminated. A small fraction of Kosovo soldiers started this war and had the world media on their site, although they were bandits at the same scale as Milosovic and his crew. (Ethnic cleansing and the like).
The US had to fight a one man battle against Communism for 50 fucking years
The US is _also_ to blame that the Cold War began in the first place.
You let some stupid fucking Serbs threaten world peace
Geeez, please, walk down to the library and borrow (if you able to do so in US?) a book on European history... To compare the Serbia-Cosova crisis with US would mean that Utah declare independence and start killing all non-mormons living there. I believe the US government would react, using force, just like Slobodan Milosovic did, and I believe Canada and Mexico would be fairly passive, just like the other European countries were.
This being said, I believe the European leaders could have been much more active in Balkan at the end of the Cold War, but the liberal and conservatives who had the power in most western european countries at that time were ignorant.
The US also had an economic interest in a Europe with independent states. If US hadn't intervened I believe I would have been speaking Russian right now.
A nice relief in this debate, after shooting at an official made people "had a good laugh" I really needed something to cheer me up!
I must admit that I often use the expression "American" when referring to citizens in the US, and not thinking about anyone in Brazil.
I just thought there was an expression like "USies" or the like, but obviously there isn't:-)
By they way, I read this on a website: If you speak 3 languages, you're multi-lingual If you speak 2 languages, you're bi-lingual If you speak 1 language, you're American
Although, there's some truth in the saying I believe.. Personally I speak Danish, English, German and a bit French, I believe the average European are able to perform some basic communication on 3 languages. What about Americans? 2 or 3?
all I hear from you is "Gov't is great...they'll take care of us !!"
Is that a problem? Do you consider it a problem that everyone, even those without a job, are able to have place to live, a television set and Internet access?
What an idiot you are.
Oh, that you... You bring this discussion to a new level...
Why do you think Denmark is inconsequential in the world?
Because we care about the environment? Because our legislation make sure companies do not abuse labor? Because we don't wander around, trying to be "policeman of the World"? Because everyone is able to get a college degree, no matter their parents economic and social status? Because we don't have children shooting each other at school, because of a fucked-up system?
I thinks that is why Denmark do not get a lot of press.
You Jews-comparison makes you look VERY silly!!! Do not speak of something you don't now anything about.
I'm sorry, so you mean to tell me you have no parlament or leaders, you as individuals vote on every issue?
That's not what I wrote. We do have parlaments, we do have leaders and we do have various parties, not only two parties struggling to be the most cynical. We have ultra-liberal and communist represented in the national parlament, and these parties are able to influence the legislation. In US 2 parties decide everything.
instead of protecting their individual liberties.
Individual liberties, dictated by corporations with a government so weak that it is able to handle the corporations.
Feel free to keep your guns, it will definately decrease the crime-rate... NOOOT!
Reality-check.... 11 countries support the Euro, the members of EU, except Denmark, England, Sweden and Greece. Beside that, at least 20 countries are not members of EU. So, when you say "Europe sucks because of that country yada yada" would equal if I said "America sucks because of Peru"... Citizens in US apparently consider US = American... hellooo...
The Danish Crown has become more valuable the last 2 years comparing to USD.
We do not fuck with US, although US seems pretty interested... Last week Intel bought a small Danish company, Giga, for something like 1.5 billion USD.... It seems like US likes us...
"Oh yeah, history courses worldwide always have that section on "History of Denmark's Phone System"."
No, but if he had been awake he would know that Europe is not "a state", but a large number of independent countries. Half of these countries has made an union.
Beside that, most countries in Europe have social-liberal or conservatives leading the parlament.
And, by the way, we don't like 2-party systems, we prefer DEMOCRACY!
When did you live in Germany? Billed by the minute: Yeah, why not? The ones using the net should be the one who pays... Anyway, in most European countries flatrate is available nowadays. I don't steal from anyone.. The social system in Denmark ensures that everyone has an equal chance of succeding (on the contrary to US where the rich become richer, the poor poorer). We do not have security at schools, why? Because everyone feels good and do not have to walk around with guns because they are afraid of being mugged. Read the crimerate statistics in US and in Denmark, where would you prefer to live?
The US spend twice as much money on police and security than Denmark, in Denmark we prefer taking care of people economically instead of forcing them to commit a crime, just to feed their families. We have a low crime-rate, people don't wear arms and the government pays for everyones education.
Bjarne Stroustrup is from Denmark, he has moved to US... I'm able to mention several other Scandinavians who have moved to US...
Bottomline: The Europeans have the brains and the developer spirit. The Americans knows how to make money. Together, they make som pretty good programs.
We had to exchange a few more switches than just 5.... I agree that some places in Spain, Italy, and other southern parts of Europe could use an upgrade but comparing all of Europe (EC), and America (US) it is pretty obvious that EC is in front.
The reason for this is another "socialist" idea... After World War II a lot of the telecommunications companies was owned by the state. This meant that they thought of all of the population on not only where they could make profits...
An example: I attend a business school in a city with around 20,000 inhabitants. Approx. 350 pupils, and about 200 computers installed, all with Internet access (through a 2MBit connection). The public library (same city) do only have 5 computers or so connected, but doubling the amount every year. In the larger cities you have rooms with nothing but computer with Internet access. It is free of charge to use the public libraries connection. Also, when talking about "socialism", the state pays my education. The books, the computers, everything... providing all of the population with Internet access, even people who cannot afford a computer.
"Socialized" is not necessarily a bad word. In the 5th largest city in Denmark, Esbjerg, the city council has etablished a WAN including all of the city and suburban areas, the people connected pays around $10 per month for a 256K full-duplex connection to both the Intranet and Internet.
That's exactly my point. I know a guy, living on a small isle (about 100 all-year inhabitants), he is connected to the Internet by ISDN. Everyone, in Denmark, is able to connect by ISDN to the Internet, no matter where they live. xDSL is an option today in all cities with a least 10-15,000 in population (and some minor cities too).
I think that Europe within a few years will surpass America (more specifically US) when counting the percentage of the population connected to the Internet.
The information infrastructure of the European countries is far better developed than in most regions of the US. The major cities in US have great cable, but in Europe, 90% of the population, no matter where they live, will be able to connect through an xDSL connection within 1-2 years.
In my country, Denmark, all telephone centrals are digital, but I think only about 40% of US' telephone centrals are the same.
On one hand I agree, but on the other, I don't... When they see a group of demonstrators they'll think of you based on the clothes you wear: Nice Clothes: These people might be interesting to have a conversation with. Worn Clothes with holes: Oh, well, it is probably just the usual hippies smoking cannabis, nevermind them..
This is funny.... The legislators that worships competition and freedom of choice passes a bill giving the monopolistic companies an advantage.. When do the politicians learn that co-operation is the best way ahead, and not a future where huge corporations dictate the public on what to buy, wear and eat?
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"Democracy: There are 2 parties. The one who accepts the most black money and pressure from major corporations win."
It is funny, in most European countries people and politicians discuss various issues concerning the country during their campaign. In US, politicians throw dirt and hugs babies...
Anders Ebbesen
Simplistic, because I've seen through much of the western-propaganda and actually studied things thoroughly instead of speaking about issues I don't have any knowledge about?
I know you probably was close to brain-washed in high school and elementary to believe in "American Values" and hating communism and anything resembling a social responsability, because you live in a country celebrating the opposite.
Well, I live in Denmark and here we have chosen the golden way in the middle, no one is falling a sleep hungry, and a lot of people also have castle-like houses.
Anders Ebbesen
It thought it was obvious..
I know criminal won't obey the law, but that doesn't make such legislation bad. Well, generally, your constitution is fucked up... no, nevermind that!
Anders Ebbesen
No! My formulation was not that good, what I meant was that both US and USSR had an equal amount of guilt in the out-break of the Cold War. (The monetary reform in West-Germany as one of the major issues).
In most of Serbia the Albanians were discriminated, but in Kosovo the Serbs were the discriminated. A small fraction of Kosovo soldiers started this war and had the world media on their site, although they were bandits at the same scale as Milosovic and his crew. (Ethnic cleansing and the like).
Anders Ebbesen
Well, then we would still have sail-ships, steam-ships will inevitably be passed by motor-ships in the future :-)
Anders Ebbesen
And, based on other replies, it seems like most western European countries have this kind of infrastructure.
Anders Ebbesen
That's right, and your interpretion (sp?) of what I meant was right too.
Anders Ebbesen
The US is _also_ to blame that the Cold War began in the first place.
You let some stupid fucking Serbs threaten world peace
Geeez, please, walk down to the library and borrow (if you able to do so in US?) a book on European history... To compare the Serbia-Cosova crisis with US would mean that Utah declare independence and start killing all non-mormons living there. I believe the US government would react, using force, just like Slobodan Milosovic did, and I believe Canada and Mexico would be fairly passive, just like the other European countries were.
This being said, I believe the European leaders could have been much more active in Balkan at the end of the Cold War, but the liberal and conservatives who had the power in most western european countries at that time were ignorant.
Anders Ebbesen
Anyway, thanks :-)
Anders Ebbesen
I must admit that I often use the expression "American" when referring to citizens in the US, and not thinking about anyone in Brazil.
I just thought there was an expression like "USies" or the like, but obviously there isn't :-)
By they way, I read this on a website:
If you speak 3 languages, you're multi-lingual
If you speak 2 languages, you're bi-lingual
If you speak 1 language, you're American
Although, there's some truth in the saying I believe.. Personally I speak Danish, English, German and a bit French, I believe the average European are able to perform some basic communication on 3 languages. What about Americans? 2 or 3?
Anders Ebbesen
Is this really the general opinion of citizens in the US? What if it had been a new paperboy and he was shot?
I'm shocked!
Anders Ebbesen
Is that a problem? Do you consider it a problem that everyone, even those without a job, are able to have place to live, a television set and Internet access?
What an idiot you are.
Oh, that you... You bring this discussion to a new level...
Why do you think Denmark is inconsequential in the world?
Because we care about the environment?
Because our legislation make sure companies do not abuse labor?
Because we don't wander around, trying to be "policeman of the World"?
Because everyone is able to get a college degree, no matter their parents economic and social status? Because we don't have children shooting each other at school, because of a fucked-up system?
I thinks that is why Denmark do not get a lot of press.
You Jews-comparison makes you look VERY silly!!! Do not speak of something you don't now anything about.
Anders Ebbesen
That's not what I wrote. We do have parlaments, we do have leaders and we do have various parties, not only two parties struggling to be the most cynical. We have ultra-liberal and communist represented in the national parlament, and these parties are able to influence the legislation. In US 2 parties decide everything.
instead of protecting their individual liberties.
Individual liberties, dictated by corporations with a government so weak that it is able to handle the corporations.
Feel free to keep your guns, it will definately decrease the crime-rate... NOOOT!
Anders Ebbesen
The Danish Crown has become more valuable the last 2 years comparing to USD.
We do not fuck with US, although US seems pretty interested... Last week Intel bought a small Danish company, Giga, for something like 1.5 billion USD.... It seems like US likes us...
Anders Ebbesen
No, but if he had been awake he would know that Europe is not "a state", but a large number of independent countries. Half of these countries has made an union.
Beside that, most countries in Europe have social-liberal or conservatives leading the parlament.
And, by the way, we don't like 2-party systems, we prefer DEMOCRACY!
Anders Ebbesen
The US spend twice as much money on police and security than Denmark, in Denmark we prefer taking care of people economically instead of forcing them to commit a crime, just to feed their families. We have a low crime-rate, people don't wear arms and the government pays for everyones education.
Anders Ebbesen
In Denmark we have approx. 20 major companies competing with local companies about a population of 5.2 million.
Anders Ebbesen
Bjarne Stroustrup is from Denmark, he has moved to US... I'm able to mention several other Scandinavians who have moved to US...
Bottomline: The Europeans have the brains and the developer spirit. The Americans knows how to make money. Together, they make som pretty good programs.
Anders Ebbesen
The reason for this is another "socialist" idea... After World War II a lot of the telecommunications companies was owned by the state. This meant that they thought of all of the population on not only where they could make profits...
Anders Ebbesen
An example: I attend a business school in a city with around 20,000 inhabitants. Approx. 350 pupils, and about 200 computers installed, all with Internet access (through a 2MBit connection). The public library (same city) do only have 5 computers or so connected, but doubling the amount every year. In the larger cities you have rooms with nothing but computer with Internet access. It is free of charge to use the public libraries connection. Also, when talking about "socialism", the state pays my education. The books, the computers, everything... providing all of the population with Internet access, even people who cannot afford a computer.
Anders Ebbesen
"Socialized" is not necessarily a bad word. In the 5th largest city in Denmark, Esbjerg, the city council has etablished a WAN including all of the city and suburban areas, the people connected pays around $10 per month for a 256K full-duplex connection to both the Intranet and Internet.
Anders Ebbesen
That's exactly my point. I know a guy, living on a small isle (about 100 all-year inhabitants), he is connected to the Internet by ISDN. Everyone, in Denmark, is able to connect by ISDN to the Internet, no matter where they live. xDSL is an option today in all cities with a least 10-15,000 in population (and some minor cities too).
Anders Ebbesen
The information infrastructure of the European countries is far better developed than in most regions of the US. The major cities in US have great cable, but in Europe, 90% of the population, no matter where they live, will be able to connect through an xDSL connection within 1-2 years.
In my country, Denmark, all telephone centrals are digital, but I think only about 40% of US' telephone centrals are the same.
Anders Ebbesen
On one hand I agree, but on the other, I don't... When they see a group of demonstrators they'll think of you based on the clothes you wear: Nice Clothes: These people might be interesting to have a conversation with. Worn Clothes with holes: Oh, well, it is probably just the usual hippies smoking cannabis, nevermind them..
Anders Ebbesen
This is funny.... The legislators that worships competition and freedom of choice passes a bill giving the monopolistic companies an advantage.. When do the politicians learn that co-operation is the best way ahead, and not a future where huge corporations dictate the public on what to buy, wear and eat?
Anders Ebbesen