Tea likely results from the fact that Go/Infoseek had to think about this type of problem before many of the tolls out there were mature.
NIH syndrome is quite prominent in the web-development field - there isn't one tool that has clearly established dominance, and most shops still roll their own. I suspect this will change - mod_perl and PHP do have a fair following. JSP will likely catch on if Sun can get the performance up.
Do you honestly think you're going to get anywhere by porting half of this already crappy software to Motif?
These apps are woefully inadequate compared to what is available on NT and the Mac - the last thing I would recommend people do is waste their time porting to useless toolkits.
As it stands, your argument of "choice uber alles" is ridiculous anyway - linux makes you use X, so why not cram something else down your throat?
unfortunately, it seems that most open source project proceed by adding new code. This leads to the exact dilemma Miguel describes.
How do you go about a project to reduce code? Its an interesting problem, and one that exekernels (a completely miniaml design) or BeOS (a completely closed and highly organized design) might have approached better.
They are paying to be viewed by an Ebay only audience.
Hmmm, I would wager that hey are on EBay because it represents the largest auction audience. I doubt many users would have a problem with more people seeing their items (who would turn down more potential bidders??)
He'll probably say that PBS is just "a project in social engineering" or some other such unfounded, uninformed crap.
PBS is largely privately funded. It is completely different from the CBC, which is paid for by the government (advertising fees do not defray the cost of running the network - since no one is watching, the ycannot charge competitive rates).
The problem is, the man has a point. The Canadian government has a completely antiquated approach to dealing with big business. Only recently did they reform how stock options are treated in Canada.
As for Canadian bilingualism - wake up folks! Multiculturalism was invented to capture votes in the 70s, particularly from Quebec - it has nothing to do with "respect" and "diversty" - those are only catchphrases to lull the idiots into thinking it is unassailable as an idea. Pushing this ruse on the public is a formula that has worked - the parties that have pandered to the French the most have always come out on top - typically placing a federalist Francaphone in the PMs seat.
As for taxation, the Canadian government continues to extort the public for its ridiculous social engineering programs - the CBC comes to mind. A government television station...hello, are we in Cuba? The feds have kept this turkey project going even though no one has tuned in for decades, other than to watch hockey.
Canada really does mean well - its a sound premise - the best notions of American liberty with some sound social principles..but it was hijacked in the 70s and turned into a social engineering experiment the likes of which have hardly seen the light of day outside of Scandanavia or France.
I really have no idea what kinship linux users feel for this company. Cowpland really could care less about linux. The man is grasping at straws. First WordPerfect, then Java, now linux. I suspect that by next year he'll be obsessing over cell phones.
This is a dog company with bad management and shitty financials.
A good garbage collector should not allow a program to leak memory. 'Reference counting' permits memory leaks: If you have two objects, A, and B, each of which references the other (but neither of which is referenced by anything else), neither will ever get free'd.
Unless you're running perl on a wristwatch, you'll never miss those thirty bytes.
This is a corner case. If you aren't using perl because of these corner cases (and by the way, any garbage collector has corner cases), then you're a complete moron.
I hope they find some interesting way to explain how Rogue permanently gets most of her interesting powers sometime in the next film. Might make an excellent pre-credit mini-adventure.
I would also love to see Nimrod (or some Sentinel) make an appearance and take out a bunch of mutants.
This is splitting hairs. Tell me once, just once, in detail, how perl's supposedly oh-so dreadful garbage-collection has negatively impacted you at all.
Perl does not have garbage collection, it has reference counting.
Which is used to implement garbage collection. to quote perldoc perlguts:
Perl uses an reference count-driven garbage collection mechanism. SVs, AVs, or HVs (xV for short in the following) start their life with a reference count of 1. If the reference count of an xV ever drops to 0, then it will be destroyed and its memory made available for reuse.
I can do the same thing in C++
sure, if you want to buy it from someone, install a third-party package, or roll your own. Why???
Personally I don't care what Bjarne thinks. Though C++ may have been able to provide more of a standard if it had a larger library, it most likely would have meant that no one would be standards compliant, or they'd take their own sweet time about it. When people invest time and money into their own frameworks, they've little interest in implementing "C++ Standard Network" and "C++ Standard GUI."
I don't understand your point - are you saying that it is preferrable not to have standard libraries? Do you see some value in re-implementing core functionality??
Perl is significantly more complex a language than C++
The syntax can be more complex, but there is no comparison in term of development.
Perl has garbage collection, built in hashes, auto-vivification of variables, extensive regular expressions built in, etc.
Compare this with C++ (which is a fine language - don't construe this as a C++ rant), which even with the STL, still requires you to roll-your-own with many problems. In a recent Java Report interview, Bjarne admitted that C++ should have been realeased with better libraries.
Admittedly, this is an apples-and-oranges comparison - C++ and Perl attack different problem domains. I would say a better comparison is C and C++ - I think I can say with confidence that C++ has not been adopted by many C programmers due to its complexity (and also due to the huge binaries), and ultimately I think we must presume that C++'s time has come and gone.
While functional programming has always been considered more "elegant", a number of mitigating issues have prevented it from taking hold as a popular technique, beyond a lack of popular tools, libraries, or operating system interfaces.
The biggest mitigating issue - people don't think the way functional languages want them to. Getting to the point of "elegance" in Lisp or Haskell takes most people so long that it isn't practical to make the effort. Essentially, its above our heads. C++ has a related problem - the language is so complex that few can use it advantageously.
People should probably just accept this and leave functional languages in the dustbin of history. Looking at the real growth in languages - Java and Perl - we see two languages that take different paths to making things easier for programmers - Java through a rich set of libraries, and perl through a more "human" language structure.
Your "rant" is nothing more than childish gibberish - and frankly the circumstances that prompted you to write it can be found in any big city.
Really, I haven't heard you offer one substantive useful piece of info. I live in downtown Palo Alto and I can tell you it rocks. It is much nicer than 99% of the downtown areas you will ever visit, and almost every visitor I bring in from out of town agrees with me.
If you don't like expensive restaurants, yuppies, and stuck up educational institutions, why the hell did you choose Stanford??? Certainly yuppiedom in the valley has existed before you got here (unless you are in the twentieth year of your certainly worthless research), and certainly you visited the area before deciding to spend four+ years of your life here, right???
I think the truth of the matter is that like many grad students, you're a little pissed that you're not the only game in town, and that people younger than you are doing more interesting and memorable work (and getting paid for it).
But once you start persecuting a subculture because they are not normal, or doing things that you simply do no agree with, you are falling into fascism.
What? How did this gibberish get moderated up?
You're trying to pass off moral relativism as fact. Don't - its not.
It could be easily said that being "Jewish" isnt hereditary, and that you could consider this a "changeable human property", but that didnt stop 7 million people from being slaughtered.
Nice straw man. Now I suppose if I disagree with you I'm a Nazi, right?
Judiasm is not an inherited trait. How could it be? Is Catholicism?
The Jews may have a national identity that is independent of their religion, but to make the leap that it is a genetic characteristic is absurd.
Even if the propensity for addiction can be inherited, the act of using drugs has almost nothing to do with the immutable characteristics described by the film.
You are passing off habits as unchageable human properties.
I can see mutant abilities as a metaphor for homosexuality (in terms of oppresion), but drug use? Get real.
What you term moderate liberal, I term conservative.
No, you ar esimply confusing Canadian parties like the Liberals and PCs with actual moderate or conservative parties - the truth is, both are absurdly liberal. To the point - the PCs never questioned the fact that Canada should have a state-run television station, regardless of the fact that it broadcast complete garbage when it wasn't broadcasting hockey.
No conservative party in Canada ever questiuoned whether Canada should continue to fund and absurdly mediocore education system, or an ridiculously moribund health care system, all state financed.
The US parties may be to the right of Canuck parties, but the point is that they are fairly closely aligned and similar.
In a system of compulsory votes, everyone has to make a choice whether they have thought about it or not. It is likely that at least thrity percent of the voters don't even know then candidates before they vote and simply pick the one at the top of the list.
If people can't be bothered to vote of their own accord, they shouldn't have a vote, since they likely have put no thought into their eventual choice. This is why I vigorously oppose movements like the Rainbow Coalition (Jesse Jackson and co.) who canvas neighborhoods to bring people out to vote.
Society would be better off if the people who have not researched their vote didn't get the opportunity to enter a ballot.
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It is true that FreeBSD Java support is lagging, even though java.sun.com lists a FreeBSD port as the most requested enhancement.
NIH syndrome is quite prominent in the web-development field - there isn't one tool that has clearly established dominance, and most shops still roll their own. I suspect this will change - mod_perl and PHP do have a fair following. JSP will likely catch on if Sun can get the performance up.
These apps are woefully inadequate compared to what is available on NT and the Mac - the last thing I would recommend people do is waste their time porting to useless toolkits.
As it stands, your argument of "choice uber alles" is ridiculous anyway - linux makes you use X, so why not cram something else down your throat?
AOL bought Netscape because John Doerr told them to. He wanted them to salvage his rapidly sinking stock.
Are you telling me you only download source, and inspect the source before installing it?
How do you go about a project to reduce code? Its an interesting problem, and one that exekernels (a completely miniaml design) or BeOS (a completely closed and highly organized design) might have approached better.
Guess that would be too much to ask.
Hmmm, I would wager that hey are on EBay because it represents the largest auction audience. I doubt many users would have a problem with more people seeing their items (who would turn down more potential bidders??)
PBS is largely privately funded. It is completely different from the CBC, which is paid for by the government (advertising fees do not defray the cost of running the network - since no one is watching, the ycannot charge competitive rates).
Whats the difference?
As for Canadian bilingualism - wake up folks! Multiculturalism was invented to capture votes in the 70s, particularly from Quebec - it has nothing to do with "respect" and "diversty" - those are only catchphrases to lull the idiots into thinking it is unassailable as an idea. Pushing this ruse on the public is a formula that has worked - the parties that have pandered to the French the most have always come out on top - typically placing a federalist Francaphone in the PMs seat.
As for taxation, the Canadian government continues to extort the public for its ridiculous social engineering programs - the CBC comes to mind. A government television station...hello, are we in Cuba? The feds have kept this turkey project going even though no one has tuned in for decades, other than to watch hockey.
Canada really does mean well - its a sound premise - the best notions of American liberty with some sound social principles..but it was hijacked in the 70s and turned into a social engineering experiment the likes of which have hardly seen the light of day outside of Scandanavia or France.
I really have no idea what kinship linux users feel for this company. Cowpland really could care less about linux. The man is grasping at straws. First WordPerfect, then Java, now linux. I suspect that by next year he'll be obsessing over cell phones.
This is a dog company with bad management and shitty financials.
Unless you're running perl on a wristwatch, you'll never miss those thirty bytes.
This is a corner case. If you aren't using perl because of these corner cases (and by the way, any garbage collector has corner cases), then you're a complete moron.
I would also love to see Nimrod (or some Sentinel) make an appearance and take out a bunch of mutants.
Which is used to implement garbage collection. to quote perldoc perlguts:
Perl uses an reference count-driven garbage collection mechanism. SVs, AVs, or HVs (xV for short in the following) start their life with a reference count of 1. If the reference count of an xV ever drops to 0, then it will be destroyed and its memory made available for reuse.
I can do the same thing in C++
sure, if you want to buy it from someone, install a third-party package, or roll your own. Why???
Personally I don't care what Bjarne thinks. Though C++ may have been able to provide more of a standard if it had a larger library, it most likely would have meant that no one would be standards compliant, or they'd take their own sweet time about it. When people invest time and money into their own frameworks, they've little interest in implementing "C++ Standard Network" and "C++ Standard GUI."
I don't understand your point - are you saying that it is preferrable not to have standard libraries? Do you see some value in re-implementing core functionality??
The syntax can be more complex, but there is no comparison in term of development.
Perl has garbage collection, built in hashes, auto-vivification of variables, extensive regular expressions built in, etc.
Compare this with C++ (which is a fine language - don't construe this as a C++ rant), which even with the STL, still requires you to roll-your-own with many problems. In a recent Java Report interview, Bjarne admitted that C++ should have been realeased with better libraries.
Admittedly, this is an apples-and-oranges comparison - C++ and Perl attack different problem domains. I would say a better comparison is C and C++ - I think I can say with confidence that C++ has not been adopted by many C programmers due to its complexity (and also due to the huge binaries), and ultimately I think we must presume that C++'s time has come and gone.
As a language, it really does allow itself to be used in a way most comfortable by the programmer...in other words, as perl programmers like to say -
There more than one way to do it!
The biggest mitigating issue - people don't think the way functional languages want them to. Getting to the point of "elegance" in Lisp or Haskell takes most people so long that it isn't practical to make the effort. Essentially, its above our heads. C++ has a related problem - the language is so complex that few can use it advantageously.
People should probably just accept this and leave functional languages in the dustbin of history. Looking at the real growth in languages - Java and Perl - we see two languages that take different paths to making things easier for programmers - Java through a rich set of libraries, and perl through a more "human" language structure.
You found scrappy people from dirty third-world countries who could program you into the next ice-age. Sour grapes.
I am trying to get rich on stock options but at least I am well-rounded and not self-riteous and arrogant.
Do I even need to respond to this?
Then quit whining like a stuck pig and move.
Your "rant" is nothing more than childish gibberish - and frankly the circumstances that prompted you to write it can be found in any big city.
Really, I haven't heard you offer one substantive useful piece of info. I live in downtown Palo Alto and I can tell you it rocks. It is much nicer than 99% of the downtown areas you will ever visit, and almost every visitor I bring in from out of town agrees with me.
If you don't like expensive restaurants, yuppies, and stuck up educational institutions, why the hell did you choose Stanford??? Certainly yuppiedom in the valley has existed before you got here (unless you are in the twentieth year of your certainly worthless research), and certainly you visited the area before deciding to spend four+ years of your life here, right???
I think the truth of the matter is that like many grad students, you're a little pissed that you're not the only game in town, and that people younger than you are doing more interesting and memorable work (and getting paid for it).
What? How did this gibberish get moderated up?
You're trying to pass off moral relativism as fact. Don't - its not.
It could be easily said that being "Jewish" isnt hereditary, and that you could consider this a "changeable human property", but that didnt stop 7 million people from being slaughtered.
Nice straw man. Now I suppose if I disagree with you I'm a Nazi, right?
Judiasm is not an inherited trait. How could it be? Is Catholicism?
The Jews may have a national identity that is independent of their religion, but to make the leap that it is a genetic characteristic is absurd.
You are passing off habits as unchageable human properties.
I can see mutant abilities as a metaphor for homosexuality (in terms of oppresion), but drug use? Get real.
No, you ar esimply confusing Canadian parties like the Liberals and PCs with actual moderate or conservative parties - the truth is, both are absurdly liberal. To the point - the PCs never questioned the fact that Canada should have a state-run television station, regardless of the fact that it broadcast complete garbage when it wasn't broadcasting hockey.
No conservative party in Canada ever questiuoned whether Canada should continue to fund and absurdly mediocore education system, or an ridiculously moribund health care system, all state financed.
The US parties may be to the right of Canuck parties, but the point is that they are fairly closely aligned and similar.
If people can't be bothered to vote of their own accord, they shouldn't have a vote, since they likely have put no thought into their eventual choice. This is why I vigorously oppose movements like the Rainbow Coalition (Jesse Jackson and co.) who canvas neighborhoods to bring people out to vote.
Society would be better off if the people who have not researched their vote didn't get the opportunity to enter a ballot.