I said nothing about the Japanese being owed anything. But if you take everything away from someone then they will fight to the end because they have nothing left to lose.
Japan had lost the war. Didn't mean they couldn't make the Allies bleed a hell of a lot more.
Oh come on. Forced is the right word. If the US was offered an unconditional surrender by a superior power that would require the entire population to renounce Christianity and become Muslim the US would say no. Because the population would revolt. So they are forced to keep going in a war.
To be fair to the Japanese how were they meant to know about the existence of anything like the bomb that later hit them. They had planned to surrender, but they had hoped to achieve a better outcome. In addition to this the surrender they did later accept wasn't an unconditional surrender. They were allowed to keep the imperial structure something that, if refused, probably would have seen the war continue despite the bombs.
MacArthur was of the opinion that had the original surrender demand allowed them to keep that they would have accepted the Potsdam offer. Of course who knows if that would have been the case. As it was there was a coup attempt the day before the surrender by people who didn't want to accept.
MacArthur wasn't even consulted on the use of the nuclear bomb. After the fact he argued that the demand of unconditional surrender, vs allowing Japan to keep their imperial structure was what forced them to keep fighting AND cause the US to drop the bomb on Japan. No one can or will ever know if he was right or not.
As for a coup attempt are you referring to the Kyj incident? The one where members of the ministry of defence attempted to put the Emperor under house arrest and stop the communique announcing Japan's surrender and incite the army to reject the surrender?
Perhaps you are the one that needs to learn some history. Perhaps you should also look at MacArthur's plans for using nuclear weapons in Korea and in China.
I have been to both places. In Europe I have been to check point charlie, seen the remains of the wall, where the nuremberg rallies were held and I've been to Auschwitz. In Japan I have been to Hiroshima and I have stood next to the A-Dome.
In Berlin the wall has become hard to find and most of it is gone. Where the Nuremberg rallies were held has been turned into a truck park and we only managed to find it with the help of a local. Auschwitz I found a really powerful place to visit. The A-Dome and the memorial in Hiroshima is a very powerful place to visit. It feels a strange mixture of deeply sad and fiercely hopeful. It is set in a park which runs right through the centre of the city for miles. They don't try to hide what they did in the war and their reporting on the impacts on the city are more balanced than I would expect.
The real impact of visiting Hiroshima is they haven't rebuilt the area to the south of where the bomb went off. Instead they turned that into the memorial parklands. As a result you can see pictures of what was there before the bomb went off and the emptiness of the parklands.
Of course your mileage may vary but I found visiting there quite powerful. More powerful than Berlin.
Wouldn't need to do that to cause them to starve. By that point of the war there was no countries left to support Japan. In a relatively short period the allies would have controlled the seas surrounding Japan. At that point they start to starve anyway. Air raids will have destroyed their infrastructure and the population would have been screwed.
By the time the bombs were dropped on Japan they had already lost. The only question was going to be how badly. The bombs stopped what would have otherwise been a long drawn out grind with lots of casualties on both sides. But it would never have destroyed the people as a race.
I don't think there are too many educated people who actually argue against having dropped nuclear bombs on Japan. The issue is that nuclear bombs scare the crap out of people because the level of destruction is massive compared to the invested resources. The firebombing of Tokyo required huge numbers of planes 150+ per day. While the destruction was huge I believe people are comfortable with that.
Hiroshima, however, was done by a single plane. That is where people freak. Especially since current nuclear bombs are now way more powerful than that one. People ask themselves, what if it have been 20 or 50 planes.
The have. Hiroshima is a really beautiful city to visit. They have even rebuilt the old castle back to it's original specifications. It was quite close to the blast site and essentially completely destroyed.
Going to visit the A-Dome in Hiroshima is quite something. It hasn't been restored other than to stabilise it. It was directly under the blast and because of that it remained standing minus its roof. The photos of it standing in an otherwise flat, featureless area is really powerful.
Exactly. They could have sponsored them. Added a few extra small things like cosplay judging or something and then made out like thieves on crappy memorabilia.
Mint. Mint is brilliant. It will change your life because you will stop noticing that the OS is even there. Everything just works. Cinnamon fits me like a glove, does everything the way that I would want it to. And every time I update to a new release I get the feeling of "wow, nice touch. You have really polished that" not "Oh fuck me, what have you done?!?! WHY? WHERE IS THAT TOOL I USED DAILY?!?!?!?!"
As I said I haven't tried the most recent ubuntu and if mint suddenly did something that I hated I would try it again. When Ubuntu released Unity they broke something in mdadm which meant I could no longer get machines to ldap authenticate the user against a remote server without having that user also exist on the local machine. So I didn't use unity long enough to get a feel for it other than to go "this is really different and I can't get the machines to unlock."
For me the OS should sit at such a level that I don't notice it. I don't notice cinnamon on mint except when I try to use windows and I suddenly find myself hunting for capabilities that aren't there.
Agreed. But that said slashdot is generally a negative place. Ubuntu lost me to mint when they went to unity but it had served me well for a number of years prior. It had issues that I couldn't be bothered working around at the time. I haven't bothered looking at it since then because Mint hasn't done anything that makes me want to change it. If it does I would revisit ubuntu.
I don't think it is that simple. The US still has lots of things that are done for the greater good at the cost of the individual. That is why there are taxes. That said they sit at the personal focus end of the spectrum, Europe sits with a greater focus on the group than the US and Japan is the next step along. The big difference between Europe and Japan is that the socialist view extends into the behaviours of the people as well as the financial.
When you look at the societies the US has the most individuals with high net worth. But is also has a large number of people with almost nothing. Depending on the survey you use the estimated homeless population starts at 680k and goes up from there. In Japan though homeless people are estimated in the 30k level nation wide with 2014 seeing Tokyo having a homeless pop of 1400.
When you have a large number of disenfranchised people those people will affect those that are still contributing members of society. There is a cost to you as an individual because the group is less well looked after. Be it higher insurances, more spent on security or even potentially direct personal loss or harm.
So, while you can be lost in the machine, I believe there are still significant benefits to the individual that occur through the focus on the group first. Sometimes you will be beneficiary of those benefits and sometimes you will be at a net loss. How that adds up over your life will be a roll of the dice.
You could learn something from them. Perhaps if you just sat back and looked and tried to understand you might realise the country is very different to what you described. Yes she can learn about a country that promotes the group over the individual. But why is that inherently bad? It is the antithesis of the American mindset but it isn't inherently wrong. She can learn about a country that has almost no crime, no crime because society comes first.
As for the patriarchal aspects of their society there are some valid points to that but it is nowhere near the place it was 20 years ago. The marriage by 30 thing is basically gone. Women are consistently holding more and more career positions and the servant to the husband attitude has died. If anything Japan is having issues because their women don't think their men are manly enough.
Where as I would have said the cost of getting there was something they couldn't control. For example it is a hell of a lot cheaper for me to go to Japan than it is to the US. $400 return vs $1200 return. If you are in Canada driving across the border is always going to win on price.
Also I have travelled the US and Japan and what you are describing isn't really comparable. For example Tokyo has a population of 31 million vs new yorks 8.5 million. Density is simply much higher everywhere in Japan. So when I'm talking about Ryokans they still tend to be in a city of a million plus. Be it Nagano or Kyoto or Hiroshima. They are also really really nice. Much nicer than a cheap motel.
My experience in Japan is that what you get at the cheap end of the market is of better quality than what you get at the cheap end of the US market. Food is incredibly cheap and extremely good. The US has huge quantities of cheap food but, in my opinion, it loses out on the quality side.
There are somethings that are much cheaper in the US though. Hiring a car for one is a lot more expensive and a much bigger pain in Japan. Driving is also much more expensive with higher fuel costs and lots of tolls.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to put the US down at all. All I am saying is that Japan isn't an expensive place to visit. And one of the great things about Japan, as opposed to Australia, UK, USA, Canada, NZ or even Western Europe to a degree is that it is really really really different. You really know you are not in Kansas anymore yet at the same time the people a friendly and the place is easy to travel.
I've been there 5 times in the last 10 years. The people are LOVELY. I've had custom dinners cooked for me at bars. People driving me places then refusing any kind of payment. I've had someone come running after me to give me a bag I had left on the train. I've had a taxi driver say follow me when I was lost while driving and then refuse to let me pay the meter.
Every shop you walk into you are greeted by the staff. And I have been all over the country. From Hiroshima to Sapporo.
What are you smoking? Go to the US and you get fingerprinted. Christ I went to Universal Studios back in 2008 and they wanted your finger print at the gate to go with your ticket.
Japan has zero crime and there is no requirement to use this system. If you are really worried about the govt tracking your daughters purchases get her to pull cash out of an ATM (useful tip 711s ATMs accept foreign cards not all others do) then buy a Pasmo or Suica card in any one of a zillion train stations and load it up with the cash. That card can be used just about everywhere in tokyo. The rest of the time use the cash. Of course if she bends the card or loses it monies gone. But it's anonymous right!?!?
Your daughter going to Japan would be a really good thing for her. She will get to see another highly developed country that has almost nothing in common with the US. She will get to see a totally different way of doing things and hopefully she will come back more well rounded for it.
Japan isn't an expensive holiday. Going to the states costs more.
If you stay in a big hotel in Tokyo then yeah your going to get hammered. But that goes for any super high density city. Get out of tokyo and stay in Ryokans and the price is minimal.
Groupthink? Volumetric energy density lets you know the volume that your required energy store will take up. Per weight hydrogen is fantastic, per volume it sucks.
Have you ever sent anything via air freight? Do you know why they have a volumetric AND a weight calculation? Because sometimes the volume is more important than the weight.
The fuel tanks that a 777 would require to fly on hydrogen cuts your internal capacity by over 75%. Mass is NOT the only consideration when it comes to fuel.
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Post WW2 Japan has been one of the best countries in trying to stay out of wars. They have the capabilities but you don't see them out there.
I said nothing about the Japanese being owed anything. But if you take everything away from someone then they will fight to the end because they have nothing left to lose.
Japan had lost the war. Didn't mean they couldn't make the Allies bleed a hell of a lot more.
Oh come on. Forced is the right word. If the US was offered an unconditional surrender by a superior power that would require the entire population to renounce Christianity and become Muslim the US would say no. Because the population would revolt. So they are forced to keep going in a war.
To be fair to the Japanese how were they meant to know about the existence of anything like the bomb that later hit them. They had planned to surrender, but they had hoped to achieve a better outcome. In addition to this the surrender they did later accept wasn't an unconditional surrender. They were allowed to keep the imperial structure something that, if refused, probably would have seen the war continue despite the bombs.
MacArthur was of the opinion that had the original surrender demand allowed them to keep that they would have accepted the Potsdam offer. Of course who knows if that would have been the case. As it was there was a coup attempt the day before the surrender by people who didn't want to accept.
MacArthur wasn't even consulted on the use of the nuclear bomb. After the fact he argued that the demand of unconditional surrender, vs allowing Japan to keep their imperial structure was what forced them to keep fighting AND cause the US to drop the bomb on Japan. No one can or will ever know if he was right or not.
As for a coup attempt are you referring to the Kyj incident? The one where members of the ministry of defence attempted to put the Emperor under house arrest and stop the communique announcing Japan's surrender and incite the army to reject the surrender?
Perhaps you are the one that needs to learn some history. Perhaps you should also look at MacArthur's plans for using nuclear weapons in Korea and in China.
I have been to both places. In Europe I have been to check point charlie, seen the remains of the wall, where the nuremberg rallies were held and I've been to Auschwitz. In Japan I have been to Hiroshima and I have stood next to the A-Dome.
In Berlin the wall has become hard to find and most of it is gone. Where the Nuremberg rallies were held has been turned into a truck park and we only managed to find it with the help of a local. Auschwitz I found a really powerful place to visit. The A-Dome and the memorial in Hiroshima is a very powerful place to visit. It feels a strange mixture of deeply sad and fiercely hopeful. It is set in a park which runs right through the centre of the city for miles. They don't try to hide what they did in the war and their reporting on the impacts on the city are more balanced than I would expect.
The real impact of visiting Hiroshima is they haven't rebuilt the area to the south of where the bomb went off. Instead they turned that into the memorial parklands. As a result you can see pictures of what was there before the bomb went off and the emptiness of the parklands.
Of course your mileage may vary but I found visiting there quite powerful. More powerful than Berlin.
Agreed. Hiroshima ended the war and saved a huge number of lives in the process, on both sides.
Nagasaki on the other hand shouldn't have happened.
Holy shit you are going a long way out! At least at your altitude the requirement to boost higher due to drag will be almost zero.
Wouldn't need to do that to cause them to starve. By that point of the war there was no countries left to support Japan. In a relatively short period the allies would have controlled the seas surrounding Japan. At that point they start to starve anyway. Air raids will have destroyed their infrastructure and the population would have been screwed.
By the time the bombs were dropped on Japan they had already lost. The only question was going to be how badly. The bombs stopped what would have otherwise been a long drawn out grind with lots of casualties on both sides. But it would never have destroyed the people as a race.
Out of interest. Why are you using defoliants in Japan? It's not exactly a Jungle country. It has terrain that is more like the UK than Vietnam.
I don't think there are too many educated people who actually argue against having dropped nuclear bombs on Japan. The issue is that nuclear bombs scare the crap out of people because the level of destruction is massive compared to the invested resources. The firebombing of Tokyo required huge numbers of planes 150+ per day. While the destruction was huge I believe people are comfortable with that.
Hiroshima, however, was done by a single plane. That is where people freak. Especially since current nuclear bombs are now way more powerful than that one. People ask themselves, what if it have been 20 or 50 planes.
That's what I think anyway.
The have. Hiroshima is a really beautiful city to visit. They have even rebuilt the old castle back to it's original specifications. It was quite close to the blast site and essentially completely destroyed.
Going to visit the A-Dome in Hiroshima is quite something. It hasn't been restored other than to stabilise it. It was directly under the blast and because of that it remained standing minus its roof. The photos of it standing in an otherwise flat, featureless area is really powerful.
Exactly. They could have sponsored them. Added a few extra small things like cosplay judging or something and then made out like thieves on crappy memorabilia.
Potential consideration for you is Mint 18 will be based on 16.04 release date is may/june.
Mint. Mint is brilliant. It will change your life because you will stop noticing that the OS is even there. Everything just works. Cinnamon fits me like a glove, does everything the way that I would want it to. And every time I update to a new release I get the feeling of "wow, nice touch. You have really polished that" not "Oh fuck me, what have you done?!?! WHY? WHERE IS THAT TOOL I USED DAILY?!?!?!?!"
As I said I haven't tried the most recent ubuntu and if mint suddenly did something that I hated I would try it again. When Ubuntu released Unity they broke something in mdadm which meant I could no longer get machines to ldap authenticate the user against a remote server without having that user also exist on the local machine. So I didn't use unity long enough to get a feel for it other than to go "this is really different and I can't get the machines to unlock."
For me the OS should sit at such a level that I don't notice it. I don't notice cinnamon on mint except when I try to use windows and I suddenly find myself hunting for capabilities that aren't there.
Agreed. But that said slashdot is generally a negative place. Ubuntu lost me to mint when they went to unity but it had served me well for a number of years prior. It had issues that I couldn't be bothered working around at the time. I haven't bothered looking at it since then because Mint hasn't done anything that makes me want to change it. If it does I would revisit ubuntu.
I don't think it is that simple. The US still has lots of things that are done for the greater good at the cost of the individual. That is why there are taxes. That said they sit at the personal focus end of the spectrum, Europe sits with a greater focus on the group than the US and Japan is the next step along. The big difference between Europe and Japan is that the socialist view extends into the behaviours of the people as well as the financial.
When you look at the societies the US has the most individuals with high net worth. But is also has a large number of people with almost nothing. Depending on the survey you use the estimated homeless population starts at 680k and goes up from there. In Japan though homeless people are estimated in the 30k level nation wide with 2014 seeing Tokyo having a homeless pop of 1400.
When you have a large number of disenfranchised people those people will affect those that are still contributing members of society. There is a cost to you as an individual because the group is less well looked after. Be it higher insurances, more spent on security or even potentially direct personal loss or harm.
So, while you can be lost in the machine, I believe there are still significant benefits to the individual that occur through the focus on the group first. Sometimes you will be beneficiary of those benefits and sometimes you will be at a net loss. How that adds up over your life will be a roll of the dice.
Never had one in 10 years and 5 trips that even blinked at my blonde haired blue eyed gaijin family.
You could learn something from them. Perhaps if you just sat back and looked and tried to understand you might realise the country is very different to what you described. Yes she can learn about a country that promotes the group over the individual. But why is that inherently bad? It is the antithesis of the American mindset but it isn't inherently wrong. She can learn about a country that has almost no crime, no crime because society comes first.
As for the patriarchal aspects of their society there are some valid points to that but it is nowhere near the place it was 20 years ago. The marriage by 30 thing is basically gone. Women are consistently holding more and more career positions and the servant to the husband attitude has died. If anything Japan is having issues because their women don't think their men are manly enough.
Where as I would have said the cost of getting there was something they couldn't control. For example it is a hell of a lot cheaper for me to go to Japan than it is to the US. $400 return vs $1200 return. If you are in Canada driving across the border is always going to win on price.
Also I have travelled the US and Japan and what you are describing isn't really comparable. For example Tokyo has a population of 31 million vs new yorks 8.5 million. Density is simply much higher everywhere in Japan. So when I'm talking about Ryokans they still tend to be in a city of a million plus. Be it Nagano or Kyoto or Hiroshima. They are also really really nice. Much nicer than a cheap motel.
My experience in Japan is that what you get at the cheap end of the market is of better quality than what you get at the cheap end of the US market. Food is incredibly cheap and extremely good. The US has huge quantities of cheap food but, in my opinion, it loses out on the quality side.
There are somethings that are much cheaper in the US though. Hiring a car for one is a lot more expensive and a much bigger pain in Japan. Driving is also much more expensive with higher fuel costs and lots of tolls.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to put the US down at all. All I am saying is that Japan isn't an expensive place to visit. And one of the great things about Japan, as opposed to Australia, UK, USA, Canada, NZ or even Western Europe to a degree is that it is really really really different. You really know you are not in Kansas anymore yet at the same time the people a friendly and the place is easy to travel.
And once you have walked the Philosophers Walk in Kyoto in Hanami season it will have its claws into you. - https://lightslant.files.wordp... or autumn - http://www.yokoso-japan.jp/_to...
Have you been there?
I've been there 5 times in the last 10 years. The people are LOVELY. I've had custom dinners cooked for me at bars. People driving me places then refusing any kind of payment. I've had someone come running after me to give me a bag I had left on the train. I've had a taxi driver say follow me when I was lost while driving and then refuse to let me pay the meter.
Every shop you walk into you are greeted by the staff. And I have been all over the country. From Hiroshima to Sapporo.
What are you smoking? Go to the US and you get fingerprinted. Christ I went to Universal Studios back in 2008 and they wanted your finger print at the gate to go with your ticket.
Japan has zero crime and there is no requirement to use this system. If you are really worried about the govt tracking your daughters purchases get her to pull cash out of an ATM (useful tip 711s ATMs accept foreign cards not all others do) then buy a Pasmo or Suica card in any one of a zillion train stations and load it up with the cash. That card can be used just about everywhere in tokyo. The rest of the time use the cash. Of course if she bends the card or loses it monies gone. But it's anonymous right!?!?
Your daughter going to Japan would be a really good thing for her. She will get to see another highly developed country that has almost nothing in common with the US. She will get to see a totally different way of doing things and hopefully she will come back more well rounded for it.
Japan isn't an expensive holiday. Going to the states costs more.
If you stay in a big hotel in Tokyo then yeah your going to get hammered. But that goes for any super high density city. Get out of tokyo and stay in Ryokans and the price is minimal.
Groupthink? Volumetric energy density lets you know the volume that your required energy store will take up. Per weight hydrogen is fantastic, per volume it sucks.
Have you ever sent anything via air freight? Do you know why they have a volumetric AND a weight calculation? Because sometimes the volume is more important than the weight.
The fuel tanks that a 777 would require to fly on hydrogen cuts your internal capacity by over 75%. Mass is NOT the only consideration when it comes to fuel.