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Infographic: Ubuntu Linux Is Everywhere

prisoninmate writes: To celebrate the launch of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, due for release later this month, on April 21, Canonical put together an interesting infographic, showing the world how popular Ubuntu is. From the infographic, it looks like there are over 60 million Ubuntu images launched by Docker users, 14 million Vagrant images of Ubuntu 14.04 LTS from HashiCorp, 20 million launches of Ubuntu instances during 2015 in public and private clouds, as well as bare metal, and 2 million new Ubuntu Cloud instances launched in November 2015. Ubuntu is used on the International Space Station, on the servers of popular online services like Netflix, Snapchat, Pinterest, Reddit, Dropbox, PayPal, Wikipedia, and Instagram, in Google, Tesla, George Hotz, and Uber cars. It is also employed at Bloomberg, Weta Digital and Walmart, at the Brigham Young University to control the Mars Rover, and it is even behind the largest supercomputer in the world.

185 comments

  1. Desktop Reporting In! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    One more desktop install reporting in! They laugh...then you win.

    1. Re: Desktop Reporting In! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Clearly Red Hat is for inbred racists then.

    2. Re:Desktop Reporting In! by berniemne · · Score: 1

      Me too. But I laugh at them.

    3. Re: Desktop Reporting In! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't there once a distro called White Hood? Came from Louisiana, IIRC.

    4. Re:Desktop Reporting In! by khz6955 · · Score: 1

      Why not replace it with one of your own choice. Oh wait Mr. anonymous Troll, coming from Windows land you aren't aware that you can do this. With Windows Bill and Fester makes that decision for you.

    5. Re:Desktop Reporting In! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Why not replace it with one of your own choice. Oh wait Mr. anonymous Troll, coming from Windows land you aren't aware that you can do this. With Windows Bill and Fester makes that decision for you.

      Bam! This. While there are an almost ridiculous number of distros, that means that all we have to do to find an interface we like is to search out until we find one that trips our trigger. While I've been big on installing Mint Cinnamon for people the last couple years, I gave Ubuntu Mate a try a few weeks ago. A "normal" interface, and works and looks just like I want.

      Or of course, roll our own.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    6. Re:Desktop Reporting In! by exomondo · · Score: 1

      You realize Windows has long had interface alternatives like Emerge, LiteStep, Bumptop, Talisman, etc... or produce your own.

    7. Re:Desktop Reporting In! by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      I have two desktops to report and one laptop with Fedora.

    8. Re:Desktop Reporting In! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize that all of those are long dead.

    9. Re:Desktop Reporting In! by exomondo · · Score: 1

      No, Talisman and LiteStep are certainly still going and have support for Windows 10 and the others are under FOSS licenses so anybody can continue to contribute to them or fork them.

  2. Telemetry? by yuvcifjt · · Score: 0

    humms, I wonder how they knew all that... Linux telemetry anyone?

    1. Re:Telemetry? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Umm... They can see you when you download, they can see you when you hit the update servers, they can see you when you browse the web.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    2. Re:Telemetry? by yuvcifjt · · Score: 0

      so... I guess they'll be using Ubuntu in the ISS to run updates, and browse the web and download another ubuntu install.
      heh

    3. Re:Telemetry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, be good for goodness sake...

      And give Microsoft more money and more of your privacy. :-)

    4. Re:Telemetry? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That wouldn't surprise me but it does surprise me that you'd think I had the means or inclination to list all possible sources of for them to acquire that information.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  3. MS should buy them out not just partner with them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there is much fragmentation with systemd and some other issues which imo make ubuntu's parent company ripe for the picking.

    look at the Moonlight plugin, where is it now? this is what I feel will happen to Ubuntu and eventually WINE and some other distros in the top ten.

  4. Re: MS should buy them out not just partner with t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nooooooooooo

  5. And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    still swallow stderr! That makes it hard as hell to troubleshoot start-up problems.

    1. Re:And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, it doesn't even have a systemd unit file for MongoDB! The one I added:


      [Unit]
      Description=High-performance, schema-free document-oriented database
      After=syslog.target network.target

      [Service]
      User=mongodb
      Group=mongodb
      PIDFile=/var/run/mongodb/mongod.pid
      ExecStart=/usr/bin/mongod -f /etc/mongod.conf

      [Install]
      WantedBy=multi-user.target

    2. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troulbleshooting in the dark is a complete pain. I wish systemd didn't swallow stderr.

    3. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. The fact it doesn't log stderr in the journal makes it hard as hell to troubleshoot service start problems.

    4. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The MySQL unit files in 16.04 are also still screwed-up and don't log to the journal.

    5. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      systemd has had years to fix the dropping of stderr and syslog message, but they still haven't fixed that.

    6. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MongoDB
      By nubs
      For nubs

    7. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll never understand the decision to not log stderr.

    8. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had the same problem. Gave-up and switched to CentOS.

    9. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The kids running systemd just don't realize the importance of those two things.

    10. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guys working on systemd aren't old enough to grok stderr.

    11. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. They're kids so they just don't get it.

    12. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but since it has so many problems starting, the swallowing of stderr and syslog make it even worse.

    13. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids is the right word. If they had experience, they'd realize syslog messages can save your a**.

    14. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had the same problem. Gave-up and switched to CentOS.

      That doesn't help completely. Many of the unit files in CentOS 7 are still a mess.

    15. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is fully irrational.

    16. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MongoDB LOL! Does it run on Windows Lickers? What about iamaretardOS? Har har.

    17. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Switch to CentOS 6, and avoid systemD completely.

    18. Re:And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      Actually it does, even the package to 15.10 (Wiley) have a SysV script, an upstart script and a systemd unit file. And looking at the installed unit file it does not disable stderr so either GP is full of shit or it's mongodb itself that does not output to stderr.

      This is the included unit file on Wiley:

      [Unit]
      Description=An object/document-oriented database
      Documentation=man:mongod(1)

      [Service]
      User=mongodb
      ExecStart=/usr/bin/mongod --config /etc/mongodb.conf

      [Install]
      WantedBy=multi-user.target

    19. Re: And the MongoDB systemd scripts... by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      It's fixed. You can send systemd messages to the standard syslogs with a simple configuration change. As I pointed out here:

      https://linux.slashdot.org/com...

  6. Re: *yawn* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You might be better off with a waffle iron.

  7. And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Zibodiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is what irks me about /. Even though Ubuntu is an overall fantastic flavor of Linux, if you read the comments here, you'd get the impression that it's more loathed than a Microsoft product.
    I personally have had very positive experiences with Ubuntu, and have helped quite a few 'non-nerds' start using it on their computers, when Windows and Mac weren't good fits. I own a computer shop, and probably install Ubuntu about once a month -- it's not leading the pack by any means, but it's a very viable option. The simplicity of the distro, along with the fantastic userbase to provide support, have really helped make it the Linux of choice for the average consumer, IMHO.

    1. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by geek · · Score: 0

      Generally speaking, people only post about Ubuntu because they hate it. The people happy with it really have nothing to say in these threads. Complainers always have the loudest voices. It's best to just ignore them.

      As to your point. I'm not a huge Ubuntu fan but when it comes to distros I'm not "religious." I'm presently using Arch and Windows and could really care less about the distro and OS wars in general. They are just tools. I use what works.

    2. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 2

      Agreed. But that said slashdot is generally a negative place. Ubuntu lost me to mint when they went to unity but it had served me well for a number of years prior. It had issues that I couldn't be bothered working around at the time. I haven't bothered looking at it since then because Mint hasn't done anything that makes me want to change it. If it does I would revisit ubuntu.

    3. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > They are just tools.

      I believe that is a misunderstanding of yours. It's just like that Sapir–Whorf hypothesis about language influencing its users thought cognitive processes. Same thing with tools IMHO (it seems I read somewhere that hypothesis was somehow verified after some experiment, but can't remember where now).

    4. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give UbuntuGnome a try... it's not that bad.

    5. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by secretsquirel · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu is fine, it's Unity people bitch about. Their hand was forced after GNOME 3 I guess, but the Mint approach to the problem seems to be the clear winner. Glad to see Ubuntu Mate go official, though I'll prob stick with Xubuntu.

      You'll notice not many of the installs shown in that infographic would be using Unity.

    6. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Lotus456 · · Score: 1

      Damning it with faint praise?

      I'm waiting for a distro over which people say, "Try this, it'll change your life!"

      --
      "It's a good computer... for I to BM on!" - apologies to Triumph, the insult comic dog
    7. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was a supporter of Ubuntu but in the end, they just could not provide a stable platform. Things that worked in say 10.04 were broken in 10.10. got fixed later but were broken again in 11.04.
      I moved my business over to CentOS in 2012. 10year patches ! What's not to like. We even have some critical systems running on paid for RHEL platforms.

      Sorry Canonical, you have far too many irons in too many fires.

    8. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by gfxguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've been a computer programmer professionally for over 20 years - I've been using Ubuntu lately (8 years or so) because it's easy. I don't want to spend my time being a system administrator, I just want to work, and Ubuntu is pretty damn good at that, pathological case anecdotes aside. It's not perfect by any stretch, and I've had my problems, but by and large it's been plug and play.

      --
      Stupid sexy Flanders.
    9. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      I used Ubuntu for a number of years thanks to the Warty Warthog cds they mailed out.

      But a while ago I tried the net-install of debian and can't see any compelling reason to use downstream - never a big fan of Unity etc.

    10. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by westlake · · Score: 1, Interesting

      This is what irks me about /. Even though Ubuntu is an overall fantastic flavor of Linux, if you read the comments here, you'd get the impression that it's more loathed than a Microsoft product.

      The geek isn't comfortable with success when success is defined as adoption by those outside his own community.

    11. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unity is a problem only in slashdot nerds own minds. Majority of Ubuntus users use Unity pretty happily. It did suck due lack of feature before 12.04, but nowadays it's by far the best desktop environment on Linux. Not everyone gets erections for crappy Windows95- clone desktops like Cinnamon. I just don't understand what the fsck is the problem with Unity, the alt-application menu search is freaking awesome, as are the keyboard shortcuts, "expose", ability to move the application menu to window bar, etc.

    12. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by KGIII · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's Arch. We had a guy try it six years ago and he still hasn't returned from the installation process.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    13. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by secretsquirel · · Score: 1

      it looks weird

      i want a crappy win95 clone and most likely will continue to want one in the future unless there is a really compelling reason to give it up, which i havent seen yet

    14. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      As I said I haven't tried the most recent ubuntu and if mint suddenly did something that I hated I would try it again. When Ubuntu released Unity they broke something in mdadm which meant I could no longer get machines to ldap authenticate the user against a remote server without having that user also exist on the local machine. So I didn't use unity long enough to get a feel for it other than to go "this is really different and I can't get the machines to unlock."

      For me the OS should sit at such a level that I don't notice it. I don't notice cinnamon on mint except when I try to use windows and I suddenly find myself hunting for capabilities that aren't there.

    15. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Mint. Mint is brilliant. It will change your life because you will stop noticing that the OS is even there. Everything just works. Cinnamon fits me like a glove, does everything the way that I would want it to. And every time I update to a new release I get the feeling of "wow, nice touch. You have really polished that" not "Oh fuck me, what have you done?!?! WHY? WHERE IS THAT TOOL I USED DAILY?!?!?!?!"

    16. Re: And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *if* you get software running on CentOS and don't want to maintain it any further, then it's perfect.

      Get a Chromebook if you only want to use a browser and an email client.

    17. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unity is a problem only in slashdot nerds own minds. Majority of Ubuntus users use Unity pretty happily. It did suck due lack of feature before 12.04, but nowadays it's by far the best desktop environment on Linux. Not everyone gets erections for crappy Windows95- clone desktops like Cinnamon. I just don't understand what the fsck is the problem with Unity, the alt-application menu search is freaking awesome, as are the keyboard shortcuts, "expose", ability to move the application menu to window bar, etc.

      People have different tastes. The Windows95 desktop may be old, but it's a good design. That's my opinion, of course. If you like Unity, good for you! That's great! Everyone should use what they like. Why do you want to put me down for what I enjoy using?

    18. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Mars+Saxman · · Score: 1

      Right there with you: I started slinging code in the '80s, I've been making my living that way for over twenty years, and Ubuntu is my default because it works and I don't have to waste time futzing with it. Of course it's not perfect, but it's certainly no worse than the alternatives, and in many ways it is better. I love the fact that I don't have to think about it - give me a machine, new or old, doesn't matter, throw on whatever the most recent Ubuntu LTS happens to be, bam we're in business.

    19. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what irks me about /. Even though Ubuntu is an overall fantastic flavor of Linux, if you read the comments here, you'd get the impression that it's more loathed than a Microsoft product.

      The geek isn't comfortable with success when success is defined as adoption by those outside his own community.

      This. I used to feel that way. But then one day I realized that there is no community. As a user, I wasn't a part of anything.

    20. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Sesostris+III · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When 16.04 comes out I'll be replacing Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) with Ubuntu on my desktop.

      When I first installed LMDE it was a rolling edition, based on Debian Testing. Now it's based on Stable, and frankly has become old. (Currently the screensaver is showing a message on startup telling me it - the screensaver - is old and I ought to upgrade to a newer version!). To be fair, I did initially install the XFCE edition, which is no longer a Mint DE flavour.

      I did think about replacing it with Mint Cinnamon 17.3, but again this is based on Ubuntu 14.04, and so based on something now relatively old. I think I want to get back to something relatively modern, easy to use, and mainstream.

      Unity has apparently improved dramatically. I've tried it with a 15.10 live disk and I'm sure I can live with it. (And I will use the main version rather than one of the other official flavours).

      --
      You never know what is enough unless you know what is more than enough. - Blake
    21. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by somenickname · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was actually a moderator for the Ubuntu forums for the first few years of Ubuntu (I had an @ubuntu.org e-mail address and everything). In those days, Ubuntu had a massive impact on the accessibility of Linux to the average computer user. I could genuinely recommend it to anyone I knew. But, when KDE/Gnome went off the fucking rails and Ubuntu went the direction of Unity, it was almost like a mini dark ages for the Linux desktop. Basically, all the traction, all the trust, all the familiarity was struck down from upon high by people wielding job descriptions like User Experience Engineer.

      Yes, assholes wearing skinny jeans destroyed the Linux desktop. And Canonical didn't help the situation when it started shipping Amazon connected desktop searches. However, having said all that, I decided to try vanilla Ubuntu recently, and, frankly, it's not that bad. It's actually really nice. In fact, I had a moment of terror when I wondered if my drunken ramblings had directly influenced the interface because it mostly worked how I wanted it to work. A power user will need to tweak it a bit but, in general, Unity might fit a power users workflow better than it might seem at first glance.

      Now, that's just desktop stuff. On a server/VM/container/whatever, Ubuntu is the go to flavor. Without hesitation. If you don't use it, people will give you the stink eye and ask you to justify why you didn't. It's easy to use, it works and it's so widely used that when you say "apt-get", no one will give you a funny look. In a sense, Ubuntu started out as Linux for Humans and ended up being Linux for the Cloud. I doubt that Canonical even expected that but, frankly, I'm very much OK with that situation and I wish them the best.

      P.S. I still love you, Debian. You'll always have a place on my laptop.

    22. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      I seriously don't trust those Gnome devs though- they seem dead set on making some product for a computer noob in 2028, or something. I get it is the dominant desktop now with even Linus on it, but burned once twice shy. I'll stick with XFCE on Fedora, and once in a blue moon run a thing from a command line that would have been a widget in Gnome. It is fine.

    23. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Potential consideration for you is Mint 18 will be based on 16.04 release date is may/june.

    24. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

      Why confine yourself to Unity? You do know you can select a different desktop environment at login just by installing the appropriate package, right?, e.g kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop etc.

      There's practically no difference between the various ?buntu flavours except which DE gets packaged on the CD you download.

    25. Re: And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by phorm · · Score: 1

      Unity, systemd, pulseaudio (which is getting a lot better but can still be a pain sometimes) and a bunch of other stuff...

    26. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by nnull · · Score: 2

      Arch here as well, but I've installed and ran Ubuntu servers. When it comes to setting up a server, Ubuntu is simply a breeze to install and handling patches/upgrades is easy. Ubuntu community has been great at resolving issues while Arch will ban you for complaining about an application that doesn't work in Arch on their forums. Still, I like Arch.

    27. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by flyingfsck · · Score: 2

      People - especially geeks - like to moan and bitch. I've been using Fedora KDE for the past 10 years. In general it works just as well as my Mac. Ubuntu is fine too - I use it with XFCE usually. Linux has a plethora of desktop systems and instead of moaning and bitching about one, everyone is free to use another one.

      --
      Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
    28. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? So you moved from LTS to non-LTS and complained something broke with Ubuntu, but you're not doing the same on CentOS? Moving to Fedora until the next Fedora LTS aka RHEL aka CentOS is released? Sounds hypocritical. Or you have zero clue what you're talking about and doing.

    29. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For dedicated server purposes I see CentOS being more popular.

    30. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mint. Mint is brilliant. It will change your life because you will stop noticing that the OS is even there. Everything just works. Cinnamon fits me like a glove, does everything the way that I would want it to. And every time I update to a new release I get the feeling of "wow, nice touch. You have really polished that" not "Oh fuck me, what have you done?!?! WHY? WHERE IS THAT TOOL I USED DAILY?!?!?!?!"

      I'm with you 100%. Other DEs have been meh since KDE 3.5. I'm just hoping the next version of Nemo is a bit more stable. Having a proper desktop icon grid would be nice too.

    31. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by dhaen · · Score: 1

      I think a lot of Ubuntu early adopters got fed up with it. Later releases had more bells and whistles but less usability and dependability. Some have moved to the spinoffs, I've gone to the pure source - Debian. I'm in love with Jessie.

    32. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Graymalkin · · Score: 2

      I'm using Ubuntu on my laptops anymore for this reason. It's the one distro where I can be reasonably sure that sleep and WiFi will work on a laptop without me having to do a bunch of extra work.

      I need to get stuff done on my computer, not troubleshoot it. It was a fun learning experience twenty years ago but today it is just a pain in my ass. If I barely have time for the things I want to do I definitely don't have time for things I don't need to do.

      --
      I'm a loner Dottie, a Rebel.
    33. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      They are just tools. I use what works.

      The problem is Arch is the IKEA of Linux distributions. It works really well. Some good thought was put into it. It's great once it's all setup, ... but some signficant assembly required.

      It's Linux in a flatpack. Don't expect to reboot the system and be up and running with a fully featured DE in 15minutes.

    34. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Been there, barely made it back myself. I wish I had mod points for you.

    35. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      i want a crappy win95 clone and most likely will continue to want one in the future unless there is a really compelling reason to give it up, which i havent seen yet

      My gold standard for UIs is Win2K, so I hear you. And honestly, the closest I've been able to come to that in Linux, is XFCE. When I finally gave up on Windows I switched to Gnome on Debian, then went to XFCE on Debian when Gnome 3 reared its ugly head. Then late in Jessie when shit started breaking, I switched to Xubuntu and haven't looked back.

      I don't have a truly good file manager - the only one in Linux that gives me everything I want is Dolphin, and it comes with a HUGE amount of KDE cruft, so I go without. And the only file search tool I've found that does everything I need, (searching for text within files for example), is the cranky and non-intuitive Gnome Search Tool. (To me a good file manager has fully-featured search built right in - having them separate is a pain). And then there's the whole filetypes mess - I really wish I could override that on an extension-by-extension basis instead of having my Kicad files open in a text editor, (and in one case even a music player), or having Kicad attempt to open my text files.

      I know it doesn't sound like much of a "gold standard", but in spite of that I'm utterly grateful for Xubuntu. Without it I'd be complaining even more and contemplating a computer-free hermetic existence.

      --
      'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
    36. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      me too. I cant believe I have been using Ubuntu as my desktop at home for such a long time. It is nice. Occasionally I get issues where I have to fallback to windows when somethings dont really work for e,g magicjack I dont mind working with windows too though as my fallback device. I would prefer Ubuntu Hopefully they play nice with the developers.

    37. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I personally like Ubuntu very much and use it at home.

      However, I had to reimplement all of our servers at work away from Ubuntu and to RHEL during a datacenter migration because a QSA (temporary security consultant/analyst) decided we needed to be running selinux across the board and it was much more integrated in RHEL and with EPEL packages. Me not being the QSA, I am apparently in no position to argue.

      Yep, that guy's business card went up on the old dartboard.

    38. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it really dominant? Fedora lost about 3 million users with Gnome3.

    39. Re: And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I barely escaped with my life. The others did not make it. I buried them myself and it wasn't even hallowed disk space. :(

    40. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except, unlike the actual IKEA products, which you build once and then it serves its purpose, the IKEA Linux product is something that you have to rebuild every day because a component was upgraded. You have to unscrew a screw and replace it with an upgraded version.... etc... and very often it all falls apart, sometimes when you're not around, and sometimes you can't even put it back together, after you've taken it apart to upgrade a screw.

    41. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Sesostris+III · · Score: 1

      Because I've never used it in anger before. I think it is time to give it a try, and if I don't like it, I'll change.

      --
      You never know what is enough unless you know what is more than enough. - Blake
    42. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by khz6955 · · Score: 1

      This place is totally trolled by the microsofties. Witness all the slashvertisments for Microsoft product and all the down votes for anything remotely critical of windows.

    43. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Sesostris+III · · Score: 1

      I will no doubt download the live disk when it comes out. (Mint Cinnamon is installed on my fiance's computer. I decided some time ago XP really wasn't safe!)

      --
      You never know what is enough unless you know what is more than enough. - Blake
    44. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by xtronics · · Score: 1

      Exactly -- Ubuntu = broken Debian.

      The difference between a Ubuntu user and a Debian user - Debian users tend to be interested in the ethic of freedom - Ubuntu users are interested in free beer.

      As the M$ Canonical bit unfolds ( https://linux.slashdot.org/sto... ) I suspect more developers will move back to Debian. M$ is not ethical - neither is Canonical.

    45. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      The xscreensaver message is a perfect example of a diva developer being an arsehole

      https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bi...

      It is old, but timebombing your code is astonishingly bad form.

    46. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

      I think it's more of a love-hate relationship.
      I used to love Ubuntu, and was very impressed in 2005 by the live CD. It was the first time ever I didn't have any driver problem with internet, graphic card or sound card on Linux. Everything worked out of the box. I spent 3 years actively translating packages, helping noobies on the forum and spreading the stoke.
      I stopped using it after they tried to force Unity/Gnome 3 down our throat.
      Linux Mint has replaced it since then, and has done a very good job. It's kinda frustrating to see that a once great distro has become unusable, at least for an old fart like me who cannot invest too much time trying to do simple tasks with a new interface.
      That said, Linux Mint wouldn't exist without Ubuntu, Ubuntu wouldn't exist without Debian, and it's very impressive to see Ubuntu in the ISS or on Mars. Congrats!

    47. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by somenickname · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say that Ubuntu is a broken flavor of Debian. I know that's a long standing joke but, I don't think it's true anymore. I run Debian with XFCE and I actually grab some data/packages from Ubuntu because they are leaps and bounds better than the Debian versions. In particular, if you run Debian and you aren't stealing the /etc/fonts directory from Ubuntu, you are doing yourself a massive disservice. Debian has the font rendering capabilities of Ubuntu, just not the configuration to take advantage of it. In this case, I'd say Debian is broken and Ubuntu fixes the brokenness. And, "unreadable fonts" is a pretty fucking big deal.

    48. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shame about Ian. Anybody ever get to the bottom of that?

    49. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ubuntu is fantastic. Except for the search spying. Except for Unity sucking up too much GPU powers. Except for... lack of included drivers?

      Pretty decent OS overall, but I'll go back to try Mint because too many issues with Lubuntu. Non-debian version this time (debian version sucked ass).

    50. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure that isn't Gentoo?

      Man installing that thing was a battle of attrition back 10 years ago or so (it didn't help that my graduate adviser insisted on a level 2 install).

    51. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      If you ever got Gentoo installed, you're doing good. ;-)

      Actually... I don't want to brag or anything BUT... I've gotten Plan9 installed and running. However... That has a couple of caveats.

      It took more tries than it should have.
      The installation was a virtual machine image.
      I'm not sure what I did but the installation only worked for a few boots.

      Minix was much easier.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    52. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by stub667 · · Score: 1

      It is normal insecurity. People want to rationalize and justify their decisions when they are in a minority. You will always going to get the Mint fan piping up in a pro-Ubuntu thread until the install base gets into the same league. You don't see the same thing from OSX fans now that you see >50% users at a non-Windows,non-Linux technical conference.

    53. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by stub667 · · Score: 1

      There is also nothing stopping you having multiple ?buntu-desktop's installed. You can select with DE when you login.

    54. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Mint. Mint is brilliant. It will change your life because you will stop noticing that the OS is even there. Everything just works. Cinnamon fits me like a glove, does everything the way that I would want it to. And every time I update to a new release I get the feeling of "wow, nice touch. You have really polished that" not "Oh fuck me, what have you done?!?! WHY? WHERE IS THAT TOOL I USED DAILY?!?!?!?!"

      I use Linux Mint Cinnamon 17.3. I generally agree with your assessment. I would like to toss out some negatives:

      I can not put the taskbar on the side. I have a widescreen monitor. I value my vertical space. To add insult to injury, moving the taskbar to the top shows occasional glitches too. That shows shoddy programming, or at a minimum, short-sighted programming.

      I miss xsetroot. Why KDE and GNOME decided to make the background unwritable is beyond me. This has nothing to do with Mint itself but it is mentionable. I used to enjoy running xscreensaver as my wallpaper.

      Back on topic, I am running Mint on my Dell XPS 13 laptop with no proprietary drivers. Is Mint based on older technology? I don't care. It works and is stable. I am running Mint on my custom built desktop with an NVIDIA GTX980 with only the NVidia drivers being proprietary... and they were installed through Synaptic. No futzing about.

      In short, while Mint is NOT the distribution that I would build, it is the most usable distribution out there for me; furthermore, the installation process offers full disk encryption (which I use for my laptop) and home directory encryption (which I use on all of my computers). Very cool.

      --
      "Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
    55. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely correct! I've been using Ubuntu since 6.06 and it's been vastly better than Windows for me.

      But there are things that are annoying. For me, it's mostly where LTS releases tend to be released with irritating bugs that may never be fixed; instead they'll get fixed in the next version, and as an LTS user, you've either got to get a back port, or a PPA to solve it.

      I've not done much testing with 16.04 yet, but this bug is *really* annoying: bug 1521302

      And I've a horrible feeling it won't be fixed before release, and so, I won't want to upgrade until it is fixed or there's a work-around.

      So yeah - broadly, Ubuntu is great. But... grrrr... annoying stuff too!!!

    56. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just... pathetic.

    57. Re:And yet, the Slashdot opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had a negative experience with at least 5 different versions over the years. It's always something stupid and frustrating. Like the sound card doesn't work in ubuntu but is supported under debian fine - which indicates ubuntu broke the package.

  8. The year of the Linux virtual desktop... by Niterios · · Score: 1

    or the virtual year of the Linux desktop?

    1. Re:The year of the Linux virtual desktop... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kek

      Would give mod points if, you know, I had any...

    2. Re:The year of the Linux virtual desktop... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^_^ That isn't just funny, there's a deeper truth there. What strikes me is that all these installs of Ubuntu are used in situations where it doesn't matter much which operating system you use. But Ubuntu is cheaper.
      However, in the main situation where the differences between operating systems are felt, on the desktop, Ubuntu is very marginal. According to DistroWatch it isn't even the most popular Linux flavour any more, which certainly surprised me.

  9. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Java is installed in over 3 billion devices in the world.

  10. Meaning like Red Hat? 1-888-733-4281 by raymorris · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those unfamiliar, the previous poster may be referring to Red Hat. They provide ten-year support. Their tech support phone number is 1-888-733-4281 .

    1. Re: Meaning like Red Hat? 1-888-733-4281 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The differenc is that with Red Hat you actually need that support.

      We have CentOS on two servers here, whereas the rest runs Ubuntu. The amount of times "What the fuck?" and "They can't be serious.." was said when mamaging those servers, is more than when bad code of an applicant was discussed. It feels like Ubuntu from 2004 - those two servers take more time to maintain than porting "RedHat-only" software to new kernels whenever needed.

      I liked one guy's remark on a forum, where we discussed how to fix a problem that already took us days: "Ok, I have had enough with this crappy CentOS! I need CentOS or RedHat for my project, so let's solve it today, go professional and buy Red Hat!"

    2. Re:Meaning like Red Hat? 1-888-733-4281 by GNious · · Score: 4, Funny

      Microsoft support is much better!
      They have an Indian guy in South Africa call you to tell you when something is wrong on your computer, then guide you through a fix using their downloadable tool, and if that fails, you can pay them to simply fix it for you!

      Did wonders for my Macbook Pro!

    3. Re:Meaning like Red Hat? 1-888-733-4281 by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      Yes, those same Windows Indian support guys phoned me too, very helpful and polite. They held my hand very patiently while they guided me through starting up a browser (it took 15 minutes to get that far alone) and installing Teamviewer. Unfortunately though my Windows was in Virtualbox running under Debian and afterwards I somehow deleted the version they had mended. So now I am back to an earlier snapshot. Do you have their phone number so I can get back to them?

    4. Re: Meaning like Red Hat? 1-888-733-4281 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you are doing it wrong...

      IF if fails on CentOS - try it on a RH server. If if fails there too - call RH. Then apply the fix to both.

      If it doesn't fail on RH, then you did something wrong on CentOS.

    5. Re:Meaning like Red Hat? 1-888-733-4281 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RedHat support is absolute shit. They point fingers like every other vendor. Ten years ago we had a major problem on RHEL with sockets in FIN_WAIT2 state. We would have hundreds of these and it required us to reboot the servers. We tried to replicate the problem on Solaris and FreeBSD, but both of those systems were rock solid. Their final response when they could not fix the problem was that they didn't write the code. That was the last straw for us, we decided to only pay for 1 seat of support rather than the 600 we had in use. About 6 months later, we updated the kernel with a regular service patch and viola it was fixed. We had to call them and let them know the ticket can be closed. They had no clue. Worst support engineers, much worse than Oracle.

  11. Ps they won't ask you to reboot twice and reinstal by raymorris · · Score: 2

    Ps, like 3ware support, Red Hat provides actual techs. They won't read a script asking you to reboot three times, then tell you to re-install from scratch, losing all of your data.

  12. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > MS should buy them out not just partner with them

    If MS started offering Ubuntu long ago and not just now, they'd be rich by now!

  13. Re:*yawn* by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

    Ring me when they have 10 year support cycles and someone I can actually ring when something goes whacky.....

    Hahahaha! Oh, wait, you were serious?

    If you're thinking of those I'm thinking of, "extended support" isn't really support, and "someone I can actually ring" appears to be a euphemism for "find an MVP and roll the dice". By the way, good luck on that phone thing if you're outside the US.

    --
    sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
  14. Good. Now maybe they can fix DHCPv6 not working by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'd think in year 2016 basic functionality of IPv6 would work on Ubuntu, such as having a simple DHCPv6 client work properly. NOPE!!!!

    I am fighting this bug here at this very moment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1447715
    "dhclient -6: Can't bind to dhcp address: Cannot assign requested address"

    No joke, my Ubuntu 15.10 cannot grab a IPv6 address via DHCP.

    How do I know it's not my DHCP server? Because my Windows laptop grabbed a stateful DHCPv6-assigned address without me even asking or lifting a finger. This is on Windows 7, a 6+ year old OS. It just worked like magic there.

  15. huh? by louden+obscure · · Score: 1

    Just seems to me they made a few marginal improvements to debian and colored it orange. I seriously don't get it.
           

    --
    Serenity now, insanity later.
    1. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      webscale

    2. Re:huh? by secretsquirel · · Score: 1

      Originally I think it was just debian that you didn't need to spend time messing with manual non-free codec and driver installs to get it working on desktop. Not sure how much that is still the case.

  16. GeoHot.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's used by George Hotz? So what, thats one random ass statistic.

  17. Not angry, just the basic reminder to the peacock. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shove up on your ass any desire upon me. Don't need to show yourself.

  18. "Coke sez Coke is deh best!" by Zanadou · · Score: 1

    Canonical put together [...] showing the world how popular Ubuntu is.

    Well. Duh. Stopped right there.

    1. Re:"Coke sez Coke is deh best!" by freeze128 · · Score: 2

      Even if you do keep going, there isn't much to see. This is the worst infographic I have ever seen. There are no pie charts or bar graphs. There are no comparisons to other OSs. It's just useless.

  19. I'm not experiencing the problem you describe. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm not experiencing the problem that you describe. I'm using PostgreSQL on FreeBSD.

  20. Linked infographic has JPEG artifacts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article linked to is blog spam with an ugly JPEG version of the infographic. The original PNG infographic is here: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/04/07/ubuntu-is-everywhere/

  21. Its even in Windows 10 now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a long time Cygwin user (hey everyone has bills to pay) I was curious to check out the Ubuntu support included in Windows Subsystem for Linux worked so I installed the latest Windows Insiders build and enabled the feature. So far it seems to be able to do everything I've ever needed Cygwin to do and support for Apt is much nicer than re-running the Cygwin installer every time I need to update a package. Its not perfect but so far I have no major complaints. My biggest concern is that more people having access to SSH will cause IT departments to introduce firewall rules even more restrictive than they already do.

  22. Re:*yawn* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they're starting to sound like java marketing.....

    who gives a fuck, seriously.

  23. Virtualbox VM's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Download virtualbox and go to distrowatch.com and play with several is my suggestion.

    The *untu's began as third world linux and Redhat/Fedora have sucked since Redhat 8. Redhat 7.3 was the last decent version before they got dollar signs in their eyes.

    The only linuxes I would avoid are the *untu's and Redhats. They are the Microsoft wannabe's.

    (you can bump into any old school linux user on the street and they will tell you the same shit)

    1. Re:Virtualbox VM's by mlts · · Score: 1

      Vagrant is a good tool as well. There are a lot of Vagrant boxes, and it is nice to be able to try a new OS by making a directory, doing a vagrant init, then a vagrant up.

      As for need cases, there is always Slackware and Gentoo. Still actively maintained and going strong. If one dislikes RHEL and downstreams (CentOS, Orable UBL, SuSE) or Debian/Ubuntu, it can't hurt to try those.

    2. Re:Virtualbox VM's by lucm · · Score: 0

      The *untu's began as third world linux and Redhat/Fedora have sucked since Redhat 8.

      I guess you mean the old Red Hat because RHEL is currently at 7.

      For a desktop you should give Fedora another try. There's been huge improvements over the years. Every time I get a new laptop I try Ubuntu, I'm thrilled for 10 minutes then it goes down in flames when I try to install another desktop environment so I get annoyed and I end up going back to Fedora (with Cinnamon).

      Also I'm really not into all that sudo bullshit that comes from Debian. That's my fucking machine if I want to be root and break everything that's my right I don't need a nanny to slap me on the wrist and force me to prefix dangerous commands with sudo. This is worst than Windows UAC that gets in your face when you want to do something insanely dangerous like install Notepad++.

      --
      lucm, indeed.
    3. Re:Virtualbox VM's by flyingfsck · · Score: 2

      Yeah well, changing from sudo to normal isn't exactly hard. The better you know UNIX, the less it matters which distribution you use, since they are all the same underneath. People who bitch and moan are usually the young and impatient who don't want to RTFM. The people who don't moan and bitch are usually the older ones who don't need to RTFM anymore.

      --
      Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
    4. Re:Virtualbox VM's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also I'm really not into all that sudo bullshit that comes from Debian.

      You realize Debian doesn't even have sudo in a base install, right?

    5. Re:Virtualbox VM's by Sesostris+III · · Score: 1

      I could've sworn I've used sudo on RHEL in the past!

      And if I really want to live dangerously, I use ' sudo su -'. Saves me from having to remember another password (for root).

      --
      You never know what is enough unless you know what is more than enough. - Blake
    6. Re:Virtualbox VM's by lucm · · Score: 1

      Listen dude, peddle your shallow Unix expertise somewhere else because it's clearly not backed by the most basic common sense.

      There's no fucking reason to use a sudo-intensive Debian-based distro and rip out the sudo bullshit out of it. That'd be like installing yum on it and only looking for rpm. Or buying a diesel car and making it work with fuel. Unless you're a hobbyist (or masochist) there's just no point.

      And if you think that experienced people don't RTFM then you're not one of them.

      --
      lucm, indeed.
    7. Re:Virtualbox VM's by lucm · · Score: 1

      "sudo bash", my friend. "sudo bash".

      --
      lucm, indeed.
    8. Re:Virtualbox VM's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redhat

      Valhalla. When they released 8.0 a lot of people said fuck you Redhat. Fuck Linux companies with Microsoft-like mindsets.

      Debian is pretty slick. Your sudo concerns and Notepad++ comparisons show your inexperience.

      openSUSE and Debian yay
      FreeBSD/PC-BSD yay
      a bunch of the live distros yay

      (I'm talking about on the desktop and/or in a VM)

  24. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by lucm · · Score: 4, Funny

    > MS should buy them out not just partner with them

    If MS started offering Ubuntu long ago and not just now, they'd be rich by now!

    SQL Server on Linux, and now Bash on Windows... MS-Linux is coming.

    Here's my conspiracy theory: they annoyed everyone with Metro, then Windows 10, just to pave the way for MS-Linux. Brilliant.

    --
    lucm, indeed.
  25. Fuck Santa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not with Tails they can't.

    oh and Tails now has:

    apt-transport-tor

    "APT transport for anonymous package downloads via Tor
      Provides support in APT for downloading packages anonymously via the Tor network.

      APT already includes mechanisms for guaranteeing the authenticity of the packages you download.

    Install apt-transport-tor, edit your sources.list to include only tor://
    URLs, and you can make it very difficult for anyone intercepting your
    network traffic to be able to tell that you are installing Debian packages,
    or which packages you are installing."

    1. Re: Fuck Santa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only a very small fraction of users will ever bother to use that in their installs.

    2. Re:Fuck Santa by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      not with Tails they can't.

      oh and Tails now has:

      apt-transport-tor

      "APT transport for anonymous package downloads via Tor

      I see you got electricity in your cabin in Idaho, now. Takes a serious amount of paranoia to want to do updates in secret.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    3. Re:Fuck Santa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I see you got electricity in your cabin in Idaho, now. Takes a serious amount of paranoia to want to do updates in secret."

      you can have your paranoia. I choose wisdom.

    4. Re:Fuck Santa by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      "I see you got electricity in your cabin in Idaho, now. Takes a serious amount of paranoia to want to do updates in secret."

      you can have your paranoia. I choose wisdom.

      So tell me, How is the guvmint going to persecute you for an OS update?

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  26. Re:Ps they won't ask you to reboot twice and reins by lucm · · Score: 0

    Agreed. And they do support everything that's in their repo with fast response time.

    Thanks to RHEL I'm getting lazy lately, it's often easier to open a ticket than to STFW to figure things out.

    --
    lucm, indeed.
  27. Re: *yawn* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Long-term support is truly important. You don't want your industrial machine to have upgrades and be quickly fixed when needed. Let's not talk about corporates, who care for this for the wrong reasons.

  28. Own(ed)Cloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wonder if my personal VM running Owncloud (which is based upon Ubuntu) is showing up on their infographic?

  29. Yeah, it still sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I could tell you why it sucks (and most everything else in computing la la land), but that isn't the point.

    Yes, it's pretty good for your paying n00bs, so it's good for you. But at the same time the nerd can still see it can obviously be better, perhaps it isn't nearly good enough for its purported job even if it is the best available. Same thing with redmond, and they throw their weight around lots more than canonical does.

    Now tell me, is this a news site for n00bs? It may well be, but the tagline says something else. Is this what irks you?

  30. Infographic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Infographic on /. , now I've seen them all. This place is devolving

  31. EDA vendors jumping in too by sanf780 · · Score: 1

    I noticed that Cadence shows support for Ubuntu LTS growing up to 2017, when every tool shall support an old version of Ubuntu, LTS 14.4. Bear in mind that the other supported OS are RHEL and SLES, both costly versions of GNU/Linux distros that give you support. After all, support is what enterprises like to have.
    It will probably be 2018 before Ubuntu LTS 16.4 begins to show in the EDA roadmap.

  32. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They already do MS-Linux... haven't You heard of Microsoft's switch OS which is a Linux ?
    They probably realized that they can't compete on their own system (Windows) and are now moving slowly to Linux. They can't compete because Windows is PITA to move from x86 to other architectures and because Windows is expensive to run (it is inefficient - yes it is better than ever before but it is still far behind).

    They have moved development tools and their flagship (that IS MS SQL server, whatever you like it or not), I would say that the next product moving to Linux will be BizTalk and the next again Exchange. They need to make their enterprise products available on Linux because enterprises are moving their backend systems to Linux.

    BTW. HOW did they get Oracles top Linux guy to change to a company with next to none Linux presence??
    - "Hi, this is Satya Nadella calling from Microsoft, we are building a new Linux division would you like to be top executive in that division"

  33. Re:Xenial Xerus? WTF... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is called fragmentation. It will always keep Linux from dominating the desktop. Add to that a shit ton of nerd in fighting. Heck just read the comments to get an example.

  34. can't speak for others obviously but ... by thephydes · · Score: 1

    We have a small holiday rental property in which there is free wifi and a Ubuntu PC. This suits us well - particularly the PC as we do not need to worry about what is downloaded and who looks at it. Wifi is of course another issue, but this thread is Ubuntu, and we are very happy. I suspect that some of the naysayers either have needs other than ours or have not looked into needs such as ours. My 2C, keep the change!

  35. Ubuntu is awsome by cuby · · Score: 2

    Compare how a linux desktop was 10 years ago and how it is today. Like it or not, Ubuntu has driven most of the chages/controversies. I like to use it. Has it's issues, but overal, I realy enjoy it. I have much more complains from Gnome, for dumbing down too much, than from the Unity interface. I think most Slashdot users are too conservative to accept some changes and are allways complaining and acepting WORSE alternatives because they look "like it used to be". This is the problem with Slashdot. No forward thinking anymore.

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    Math is beautiful... e^(pi*i)+1=0
    1. Re:Ubuntu is awsome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a one who has followed from non-ubuntu fanboy perspective the Unix desktops development, Canonical has not driven almost anything. Not even pretty wallpapers, icons, themes etc.

      The ideas and driven force has come outside of the Canonical and even outside of the Ubuntu community (its users).
      But once you give the graphics designers idea that they are usability experts and they know how to design GUI, everything goes to hell.

      Look example KDE. "Someone" (you should know who, if you followed the development more deeply) got idea about "Activities". And they tried to develop it but no one really knew for what it was used. Then someone else got idea, that to force it to the people, they silently removed the features from Virtual Desktops to boost "Activities". Features like individual wallpaper for each virtual desktop!
      Now if you want the wallpapers, you need to take "Activities". And each activity can hold only single wallpaper, and each activity has separate virtual desktops, and each activity is separated from each others. So if you want such a small thing as get a quick virtual desktops that looks differently and allows you quickly assign different look while managing different tasks in same project, you can't!
      And users has wanted to get capability have different panels on different virtual desktops, but no, you don't get it! You need to use Activities (and even that doesn't support it!).

      Look at the GNOME side, same thing, suddenly all the decades old improvements and added features by the need, *puff* all gone!

      It is reinventing the wheel every 5 years!

  36. Tracking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where is he getting these numbers? How are they tracking these installs and how are they able to tell how many instances are in containers? How does Canonical know that an Ubuntu instance is running inside a container or virtualization layer?

  37. Does this include Mint installs? by GrBear · · Score: 1

    I find their facts odd.. I wonder if somehow it includes Mint installs, because I keep checking Distrowatch and interest in Ubuntu always seems to be below Mint and Debian.

    1. Re:Does this include Mint installs? by vandamme · · Score: 1

      Distrowatch interest does not equal installs. Gives you a rough idea, that's about it. Also, remember that there is Ubuntu MATE, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, and a few more *buntus lurking around.

  38. Where's your outrage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To get this data, Ubuntu has to be reporting usage data back to their servers. I thought we all hated that and its an invasion of privacy and how dare they and fuck Obama?

  39. Re:Xenial Xerus? WTF... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously? THAT confuses you? Are you alright? I mean how on earth did you manage to find slashdot.org and post this! How come you didn't confuse it with reddit or youtube or whatever. Or its IP address! OMG! Which one! Version 4? Version 6?

  40. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    SQL Server on Linux, and now Bash on Windows... MS-Linux is coming.

    Here's my conspiracy theory: they annoyed everyone with Metro, then Windows 10, just to pave the way for MS-Linux. Brilliant.

    I did a MLK parody of "I have a dream" a few months ago, when I dreamt that one day we'd all be united under Unix.

    It would be awesome for great levels of awesomenitude.

    --
    The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  41. Re: *yawn* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're thinking Microsoft. He's thinking RedHat.

  42. Re:Xenial Xerus? WTF... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Judging by his username, he's probably a sock puppet of known abusive troll Dogcow..

  43. Netfilx runs Ubuntu?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The infographic claims Netflix runs Ubuntu, but it's widely known they run FreeBSD.

  44. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by lucm · · Score: 2

    They can't compete because Windows is PITA to move from x86 to other architectures and because Windows is expensive to run (it is inefficient - yes it is better than ever before but it is still far behind).

    Windows runs out of the box with a fairly good driver coverage of all components and peripherals on pretty much any mainstream computer. Call it what you want but that's pretty impressive. Of course they blackmail OEMs and shove tons of useless drivers in there but still.

    Give me a mystery server and no internet access, and I'd bet a dollar that besides OpenSuse there's only Windows that will install properly on that thing. Anything else will require a driver treasure hunt.

    --
    lucm, indeed.
  45. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a fucking bitch for degrading Doctor King's work by relating it to your little pet OS.

  46. How do they know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does one know Ubuntu is everywhere? Does every copy of it phone home every time it boots??

  47. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    You're a fucking bitch for degrading Doctor King's work by relating it to your little pet OS.

    Mighty sensitive little snowflake aren't we, precious?

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  48. Ubuntu has advantages over Debian on the desktop by Foresto · · Score: 1

    Every year or so, I get the urge to replace Xubuntu with Debian on my desktop and development systems. Sadly, it just doesn't make sense to do so. Ubuntu still has a few huge advantages over Debian. In particular:

    Ubuntu's bug tracking system is far more convenient than Debian's, provides richer categorization and relation tools, and integrates with upstream trackers. I waste less time when I have to report problems, and since more people are sharing knowledge in launchpad, I also waste less time on diagnostics and fixes. Average users find it more approachable, too, and can often use it to find a workarounds for problems that they need solved before the next Debian release cycle crawls around.

    Ubuntu's personal package archive system is both a public build farm and an open software repository. This means I can share custom software packages with others, with no bureaucratic overhead, on any release schedule I choose, through a channel that's extraordinarily easy for users to install, with integration into the standard system update process. Oh, and I don't have to set up build environments for multiple architectures (or in some cases, any build environment at all). Of course, all of this also benefits non-developers, by giving them access to a lot of software that isn't part of the Debian archive.

    Last time I checked, Ubuntu still had far better support for certain important hardware components, like my graphics card. I'm an advanced user, so I could probably jump through the hoops to get proprietary drivers working in Debian, but most people don't have that kind of knowledge or the time/inclination to develop it. I wish there was a way around this by simply choosing different hardware, but there simply is no good substitute for certain proprietary devices. (Linux gamers can either use nVidia hardware with the closed driver, or be stuck with inferior performance.)

    Despite Ubuntu making some dumb decisions and pissing me off at times, it honestly has done a lot to advance linux. I'd like to switch to Debian, but honestly, it would just make my life harder. I hope it catches up soon.

  49. How do people manage it at scale? by rainer_d · · Score: 1

    Do you just run apt-get upgrade with cron?

    On a thousand machines?
    For RHEL et.al, there's the tools around The Foreman. For Ubuntu, there's landscape - but it costs so much that I could use RHEL right away - and RHEL is much better. And The Foreman is open-source, can be deployed on-premise.

    I hate that there is no real official documentation beyond a few alibi-pages that assume you're running a desktop. My co-workers tell me that I can google any problem and find a solution by some guy, somewhere - but my experience is that it's either incomplete, doesn't go to the root of the problem or is intended for an outdated release (multiple items can apply).

    It may work most of the time - but when it doesn't finding the problem is really difficult (mostly because nobody has really bothered to document how a "modern" linux-system with systemd works and how little of traditional unix-knowledge still applies) - and this really doesn't encourage good system design but rather hacks upon hacks, where somebody finds something in some blog that appears to work.

    RHEL actually has useful documentation. So does FreeBSD. Maybe got to do with the fact that those people know what they're doing.

    All this lunacy about Desktop-linux completely clouds the fact that Ubuntu doesn't have the tools to actually manage servers at scale. I don't give a fuck about the fact that it's easy to install. I install my FreeBSD systems once and then migrate them to new releases over years, until the hardware gives in or the customer quits - and installing FreeBSD actually takes less time.

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  50. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Is there really that much fragmentation. Or just a small group of whiners. While the rest who are using Ubentu for a desktop system really don't care.
    Sure you can use Ubuntu as a mission critical server, but there are better distributions for that.

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  51. Re:Ubuntu has advantages over Debian on the deskto by somenickname · · Score: 1

    I can 100% respect this post. It's dead on. Debian takes a bit of love to be usable. But, once you've got Debian into your personal Nirvana State, nothing else really compares.

  52. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I have a dream that my four little computers will one day function in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their screens but by the content of their character sets."

  53. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Humour motherfucker do you speak it!?!?

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  54. Desktop, Vagrant, Droplet, Raspberry Pi, etc. by p0larity · · Score: 1

    Yeah I dig Ubuntu. For all of the things they do that make some people displeased, they have come a long way and their distro is pretty stable and fun to use. It doesn't get in my way, it does what I want it to do when I want it to do it and there are no significant barriers to me doing most work on it.

    These days, the only thing that makes me sad is that the Unity3D Linux builds aren't quite up to date with the Windows ones so if I open a project in Windows I can't edit it on my Ubuntu laptop.

  55. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You obviously do not the definition of architecture...
    It is like OTHER CPU than Intel-compatible... like Sparc, Power, ARM or MIPS.

    You do know that there are OTHER CPUs than Intel compatible ?

  56. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by lucm · · Score: 1

    Windows used to run on MIPS, PowerPC and many others, but Microsoft gave up on supporting those 15 years ago. Do you now why? Because nobody fucking cares. How the fuck can the fact that Windows no longer runs on MIPS prevent Microsoft from "competing" with Linux? You'll tell me that the 8 organizations who bought MIPS or SPARC servers this year decided to use Debian for their x86 mail servers specifically because they figure they'd maybe need to move things around? Or maybe they plan on using the machines where they run their weather or boson collision simulations as an extra node in their Drupal cluster so the social committee's intranet site has better fault tolerance?

    Fucking stupid.

    See, cpu architecture portability is the kind of edge case that only serves for mental masturbation and has no practical impact on reality. If you want to promote Linux, do everyone a favor and don't bring up this point again. There's plenty of convincing reasons why Linux is superior to Windows without bringing out laughable scenarios like yours.

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  57. Linux is The New Jew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're all smart, and some of us got quite rich. Linux only!

  58. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by Ulric · · Score: 1

    If you look around in a modern datacenter you'll see Linux everywhere, including all that hardware - and there is a lot of it - which is not x86 based servers, or servers at all, and couldn't possibly run Windows.

  59. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows used to run on MIPS, PowerPC and many others, but Microsoft gave up on supporting those 15 years ago.

    Yes and that worked out really well for them when it came to dominating the ARM-based smartphone and tablet market.

  60. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by JohnStock · · Score: 1

    Yeah those 300 million installs have really pissed users *rolls eyes*

  61. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by lucm · · Score: 1

    Nobody argued with Linux. But please tell me the last time you've seen a MIPS or SPARC server in a modern data center with your own eyes, as opposed to, say, x86 ones.

    Outside of academia or research (which is a tiny market in the ocean of servers) that just doesn't happen.

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  62. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by lucm · · Score: 1

    Windows used to run on MIPS, PowerPC and many others, but Microsoft gave up on supporting those 15 years ago.

    Yes and that worked out really well for them when it came to dominating the ARM-based smartphone and tablet market.

    What tablet market? You mean the nosediving iPad that loses steam year after year compared to the Surface Pro, which sees a 29% annual increase since Microsoft dropped ARM and switched to x64?

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  63. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by Ulric · · Score: 1

    Nobody argued with Linux. But please tell me the last time you've seen a MIPS or SPARC server in a modern data center with your own eyes, as opposed to, say, x86 ones.

    Every time, they are called Cisco switches, running Linux on MIPS.

  64. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by lucm · · Score: 1

    Nobody argued with Linux. But please tell me the last time you've seen a MIPS or SPARC server in a modern data center with your own eyes, as opposed to, say, x86 ones.

    Every time, they are called Cisco switches, running Linux on MIPS.

    You shoud go fix Wikipedia and tell them that Cisco IOS is Linux. That may surprise a few people, like Cisco or Linux people.

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  65. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by Ulric · · Score: 1

    Nobody argued with Linux. But please tell me the last time you've seen a MIPS or SPARC server in a modern data center with your own eyes, as opposed to, say, x86 ones.

    Every time, they are called Cisco switches, running Linux on MIPS.

    You shoud go fix Wikipedia and tell them that Cisco IOS is Linux. That may surprise a few people, like Cisco or Linux people.

    It may surprise a few Cisco or Linux people who have been living in a hole that the world including Cisco have moved on since the 90s.

  66. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Switches are servers now?

  67. Re:MS should buy them out not just partner with th by Ulric · · Score: 1