I hope you're not a lawyer because you're bad at analogies and just confused theft with fraud.
I'm not, although I question how being "bad at analogies" would disqualify me from legal practice; after all, aren't most Congresscritters lawyers by trade?
I share that hope with you, sir or madam, as you are apparently as bad at making an argument as you believe I am at making analogies.
"How can the tech community help consumers in protecting them from phoney on-line presences?"
you need a profit driver so people will invest in it, both money wise and time wise. I suggest being aggressive about posting people on there, but letting them apply to be removed (for a fee).
Didn't a number of sites recently taste the wrath of Mjölnir for doing that with mugshots?
non-destructive copying of information is not stealing. It may be considered copyright infringement, or espionage, etc., but i will repeat again for you small brained morons: its NOT stealing.
ProTip - don't call the other side names right out of the gate. Not only does it cause them to instinctually self-insulate against your position, it actually weakens it, as a person with a strong argument doesn't need to engage in ad hominem attacks to make their point. But, I digress.
That's a real grey area when dealing with digital "stuff." Philosophy time:
If Person B make a copy of Person A's house key (a type of "information," when you think about it), Person B isn't actually stealing anything; that part comes later...
Of course, you then have to ask yourself the question, "How did Person B come to be in possession of Person A's keys?" Presuming that Person A did not hand the keys over willingly, it can be assumed that Person B stole them in order to make a copy.
Now to the digital part: Person A makes his living from taking pictures and posting them online; Person B copies pictures from Person A's website, puts his own name on them, and proceeds to try and profit from Person A's work - has the crime of theft occurred? While the act of copying the file from one server to another may not necessarily construe theft (although there is a strong chance it's a violation of the CFAA), it would be difficult to argue, especially in a court of law, that Person B did not make the copy with criminal intent in mind; namely, the theft of livelihood from Person A.
Therefore, while the act of copying in itself may not be tantamount to theft, the processes that lead to the copying, as well as the processes that occur afterwards, can often and easily be defined as "stealing."
Well yeah, the 100 mile per hour crash was the big thing there.
It seems big, until you consider that a lot of people survive 100 MPH crashes in ICE cars as well, even ones that don't have quite as stellar of a rating as the Model S.
Of course, I've been arguing for 20 years or so that pretty much everyone would survive almost every crash if the NHTSA would mandate roll cages and five-point harnesses, but alas, thus far my entreaties have fallen on deaf ears...
So you experience includes tracking every person, looking for repeat behavior trending with time and gaining intimate knowledge of their home life?
No, me* experience only covers me experience. Only an idiot or an asshole would try and imply that I mean to extrapolate that to the population as a whole, especially considering that I used the qualifier, "in my experience."
Or, you are just wrong. I think I"m going to go with you are just wrong.
So, I think I'm gonna go with "idiotic asshole," then.
* Yes, I am mocking you. Wanted to make sure that's abundantly clear, since you had so much trouble with the whole 'in my experience' thing.
It leaves you wondering: what if Activision approached Call of Duty griefers on Xbox Live the same way?
No it doesn't, because in my experience, most console trolls/griefers aren't "people having an off day," they're foul-mouthed 14-year-olds with shitty excuses for parents.
Well, the questions he asked were pretty on point, and "we" modded them up (at least, in theory). Let him have his moment in the sun - he get's so much shit around here for the fucked up headlines, poor editing, and dupes (well, he and Timothy) I'm okay even if he did pull rank. At least the questions were good ones.
Seconded - they're good questions, and JoCo gave some really good answers, so you won't hear any bitching from me.
For any officer found with damaged or missing recording equipment, suspend without pay or confine to desk jockey. Unacceptable to claim equipment is broken or doesn't work so the policy goes to the wayside.
I'd throw tampering and obstruction charges in on the second offense.
If anything, cops need to be held to the letter of the law more strictly than those of us who are not tasked with enforcing it.
I'd also love to have proximity sensors giving the distance from any part of my car to any obstacle. It'd make parallel parking a lot quicker if I could get a readout showing how many inches there are between my car and the vehicle behind me.
Couple Arduinos, couple ultrasonic rangefinders, couple of LED strips...
So what you're saying is, if Mozilla's customer base were "rednecks", and they were uninstalling Firefox because he was gay, that he should have been forced to resign for being gay? Or do only gays/liberals have the right to "speak their minds in opposition" of something, pretty sure that's all he was doing. Really, who has the double standard here?
Nope, didn't say any of that. Re-read my post, without the preconceived notions regarding what position you think I'm taking.
My girlfriend at the time drove a Geo Prism. *2 people (big) could pick up and move that car... which they did... to a number of increasingly hilarious places:-)
I had 2 of them (both 1992 models!), and yes, they were incredibly easy for 2 people to move around. I used to "impress" girls by deadlifting the ass end.
Also, apparently Toyota wasn't real big into key security in those days, as I recall one incident where I walked out of a store, unlocked and hopped in my Prism, started it, then realized as I was backing out, "holy shit, this isn't my car!" Someone had parked one the same year and color a few spaces down from mine, and the key worked without a hitch. mind blown.
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I hope you're not a lawyer because you're bad at analogies and just confused theft with fraud.
I'm not, although I question how being "bad at analogies" would disqualify me from legal practice; after all, aren't most Congresscritters lawyers by trade?
I share that hope with you, sir or madam, as you are apparently as bad at making an argument as you believe I am at making analogies.
ProTip: mine's in yur mom, CanHasDick! Wait, this isn't Battlefield chat, sorry.
Meh, beats what I hear on the rare occasion I make the mistake of playing Call of Dirty online.
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tfs:
"How can the tech community help consumers in protecting them from phoney on-line presences?"
you need a profit driver so people will invest in it, both money wise and time wise. I suggest being aggressive about posting people on there, but letting them apply to be removed (for a fee).
Didn't a number of sites recently taste the wrath of Mjölnir for doing that with mugshots?
non-destructive copying of information is not stealing. It may be considered copyright infringement, or espionage, etc., but i will repeat again for you small brained morons: its NOT stealing.
ProTip - don't call the other side names right out of the gate. Not only does it cause them to instinctually self-insulate against your position, it actually weakens it, as a person with a strong argument doesn't need to engage in ad hominem attacks to make their point. But, I digress.
That's a real grey area when dealing with digital "stuff." Philosophy time:
If Person B make a copy of Person A's house key (a type of "information," when you think about it), Person B isn't actually stealing anything; that part comes later...
Of course, you then have to ask yourself the question, "How did Person B come to be in possession of Person A's keys?" Presuming that Person A did not hand the keys over willingly, it can be assumed that Person B stole them in order to make a copy.
Now to the digital part: Person A makes his living from taking pictures and posting them online; Person B copies pictures from Person A's website, puts his own name on them, and proceeds to try and profit from Person A's work - has the crime of theft occurred? While the act of copying the file from one server to another may not necessarily construe theft (although there is a strong chance it's a violation of the CFAA), it would be difficult to argue, especially in a court of law, that Person B did not make the copy with criminal intent in mind; namely, the theft of livelihood from Person A.
Therefore, while the act of copying in itself may not be tantamount to theft, the processes that lead to the copying, as well as the processes that occur afterwards, can often and easily be defined as "stealing."
Only thing technology related is the fact that it's a web page.
And involves cameras.
And IP theft.
All of which are regular topics on Slashdot.
Nobody's putting a gun to your head and forcing you to come here and comment... are they? Blink twice if yes.
Goodbye paranoid trouble makers that use the free service
Can't speak for any of the other 'paranoid trouble-makers' out there, but she doesn't scare me.
Probably doesn't scare anyone else smart enough to encrypt private stuff before uploading it to the cloud, either.
Well yeah, the 100 mile per hour crash was the big thing there.
It seems big, until you consider that a lot of people survive 100 MPH crashes in ICE cars as well, even ones that don't have quite as stellar of a rating as the Model S.
Of course, I've been arguing for 20 years or so that pretty much everyone would survive almost every crash if the NHTSA would mandate roll cages and five-point harnesses, but alas, thus far my entreaties have fallen on deaf ears...
Then what's an optomicon?
Yo momma.
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
not surprised, considering we live in the optomicon.
I think you mean panopticon.
So you experience includes tracking every person, looking for repeat behavior trending with time and gaining intimate knowledge of their home life?
No, me* experience only covers me experience. Only an idiot or an asshole would try and imply that I mean to extrapolate that to the population as a whole, especially considering that I used the qualifier, "in my experience."
Or, you are just wrong. I think I"m going to go with you are just wrong.
So, I think I'm gonna go with "idiotic asshole," then.
* Yes, I am mocking you. Wanted to make sure that's abundantly clear, since you had so much trouble with the whole 'in my experience' thing.
It leaves you wondering: what if Activision approached Call of Duty griefers on Xbox Live the same way?
No it doesn't, because in my experience, most console trolls/griefers aren't "people having an off day," they're foul-mouthed 14-year-olds with shitty excuses for parents.
The Arduino isn't a computer, it's a programmable microcontroller.
There really isn't any comparison between the two.
Well, the questions he asked were pretty on point, and "we" modded them up (at least, in theory). Let him have his moment in the sun - he get's so much shit around here for the fucked up headlines, poor editing, and dupes (well, he and Timothy) I'm okay even if he did pull rank. At least the questions were good ones.
Seconded - they're good questions, and JoCo gave some really good answers, so you won't hear any bitching from me.
Once could be an accident. Twice starts a pattern.
This.
Also, I'm a big believer in second chances.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
I'll bet whoever came up with that was one malicious motherfucker.
For any officer found with damaged or missing recording equipment, suspend without pay or confine to desk jockey. Unacceptable to claim equipment is broken or doesn't work so the policy goes to the wayside.
I'd throw tampering and obstruction charges in on the second offense.
If anything, cops need to be held to the letter of the law more strictly than those of us who are not tasked with enforcing it.
I'd also love to have proximity sensors giving the distance from any part of my car to any obstacle. It'd make parallel parking a lot quicker if I could get a readout showing how many inches there are between my car and the vehicle behind me.
Couple Arduinos, couple ultrasonic rangefinders, couple of LED strips...
So what you're saying is, if Mozilla's customer base were "rednecks", and they were uninstalling Firefox because he was gay, that he should have been forced to resign for being gay? Or do only gays/liberals have the right to "speak their minds in opposition" of something, pretty sure that's all he was doing. Really, who has the double standard here?
Nope, didn't say any of that. Re-read my post, without the preconceived notions regarding what position you think I'm taking.
My girlfriend at the time drove a Geo Prism. *2 people (big) could pick up and move that car... which they did... to a number of increasingly hilarious places :-)
I had 2 of them (both 1992 models!), and yes, they were incredibly easy for 2 people to move around. I used to "impress" girls by deadlifting the ass end.
Also, apparently Toyota wasn't real big into key security in those days, as I recall one incident where I walked out of a store, unlocked and hopped in my Prism, started it, then realized as I was backing out, "holy shit, this isn't my car!" Someone had parked one the same year and color a few spaces down from mine, and the key worked without a hitch. mind blown.
Bacon with a side of Down syndrome. I feel sorry for the kid.
Why? Have you accomplished more in life than he has? Probably not.
Maybe he should be feeling sorry for you, eh?
See, I'd think it would be more interesting if things were reversed: you load your GT6 profile into the car, and let it drive the IRL track!
Maybe Sony and Toyota will read this post, then give the Goog a ring-a-ding-ding...
#wishfulthinking
Unless they've added a Dirt Oval License to GT6, chances are not a damn one of my local tracks will be featured...
My kingdom for a paved road course within 100 miles!
Ever pick one up by the front and roll it around like a wheel-barrow?
That one's a hoot.
He got forced out no matter how you slice it.
Unless someone literally put a gun to his head and threatened to kill him if he didn't quit, I don't buy that for a second.
Seriously - what do you think would have happened if he hadn't chosen to quit? The rest of the board would have busted out their lynchin' gear?