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Smart Car Tipping Trending In San Francisco
First time accepted submitter hackajar1 (1700328) writes "Is it a crime of opportunity or another page in the current chapter of Anti-Tech movement in San Francisco? Either way, the new crime trending in San Francisco invloves tipping Smart Cars on their side. While they only take 3 — 4 people to tip, this could just be kids simply having "fun" at the very expensive cost of car owners. Alternatively it could be part of a larger movement in San Francisco against anyone associated with HiTech, which is largely being blamed for neighborhood gentrification and rent spikes in recent years." This sounds like a story that would catch the ears of veteran reporter Roland Hedley.
A lot of things are trending if they only have to happen 1 time for that to be said.
This wouldn't even be an issue if the damn local news didn't report on it. 3 cars?! A night of drunken stupidity. Now it's going to be trending.
I'm Peggy.
Hooper: For years in this industry, whenever an African American character, hero or villain, was introduced - usually by white artists and writers - they got slapped with racist names that singled them out as Negroes. Now, my book, "White-Hating Coon," don't have none of that bullshit. The hero's name is Maleekwa, and he's descended from the black tribe that established the first society on the planet, while all you European motherfuckers were hiding out in caves and shit, all terrified of the sun. He's a strong role model that a young black reader can look up to. Cause I'm here to tell you, the chickens is coming home to roost, y'all. The black man's no longer gonna play the minstrel in the realm of comics and sci-fi fantasy. We keepin it real, and we gonna get respect by any means necessary.
Holden: Ah, come on, that's a bunch of horse shit! Lando Calrissian was a black guy. You know, and he got to fly the Millennium Falcon, what's the matter with you?
Hooper: Who said that?
Holden: I did! Lando Calrissian is a strong role-model in the realm of science fiction/fantasy.
Hooper: Fuck Lando Calrissian! Uncle-Tom nigger! Some white boy's always gotta bring up the "Holy Trilogy". But those movies is all about how the white man keeps the brotha man down, even in a galaxy far far away. Check this shit. You got cracker farm boy, Luke Skywalker, Nazi poster boy, blond hair, blue eyes. And then you got Darth Vader, the blackest brother in the galaxy, Nubian god!
Banky: What's a "Nubian"?
Hooper: Shut the fuck up! Now, Vader, he's a spirtiral brother, down with the Force and all that good shit. Then this cracker, Skywalker, gets his hands on a lightsaber and the boy decides he's gonna run the fucking universe; gets a whole klan of whites together and they go and bust up Vader's hood, the Death Star. Now, what the fuck do you call that?
Banky: Intergalactic Civil War?
Hooper: Gentrification! They gon' drive out the black element to make the galaxy quote, unquote, "safe for white folks." And Jedi is the most insulting installment! Because Vader's beautiful black visage is sullied when he pulls off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty, old white man! They tryin' to tell us that deep inside we all wants to be white!
Banky: Well isn't that true?
Sigh. Really?
1) BAHAHAHA
2) Damn people are thoughtless jerks
3) Someones insurance rates are going up
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But tipping them up on their ends, now THAT is hilarious!
Wow, it's like the exact opposite of what happened in Detroit. Prices are going up because business are moving in... Detroit declared bankruptcy and rent is dirt cheap there... so what part are you talking about - the vandalism?
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Dear poster .. read your own post. At the expensive cost of the car owners? That means these assholes caused damage ... what? damage? Then yes, it is OBVIOUSLY a crime.
A little thinking goes a long way.
Considering a Smart Car is like 12k, gets good gas mileage, and is easy to street park in the city how in the world does this equal HiTech? HiTech workers definitely make enough to afford more spacious and expensive cars along with garage parking.
Is this another example of terrible Slashdot editorial comments distorting original story to "make news" as this alternative theory is not in the original source?
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It takes more than two people to tip over a smart? Guess they must be little girly men.
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
This actually was a fad in Europe for a while - of course it moved to San Francisco.
While I understand the social frustrations -- they aren't unique to SF and where I live there are very similar issues around gentrification -- the reactions I've been hearing about in that area are rapidly reaching the "crazy" level. Sounds like it's time to avoid San Francisco.
reading the headline, i thought the story was going to be about people dropping change and dollar bills on smart cars as a way to, i dunno, show their support for eco-friendliness?
never bring a twinkie to a food fight.
In other news, the local cattle herds have never been less paranoid!
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
Is like beating up a blind guy to fight against discrimination against the handicapped. It's fun.
In Soviet Russia, smart cars tip you!
Owners in the area need to put these in their cars:
http://i1.squidoocdn.com/resiz...
Vandalism and pranks are not new. And this particular form (tipping/inverting/moving_to_weird_places any unusually small/light car) is something I've heard of going back to at least as early as the 1960s. Your grandparents were doing this when they were kids (assuming your grandparents were assholes).
Next on slashdot: someone spraypaints the screen on someone else's phone! It's all part of the new Anti-Tech Movement!! You are totally a square and working for The Man and thinking-inside-the-box and not-cool, if you aren't doing this yet. You probably don't even have an onion on your belt, lamer. Get with it, man!
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There is a shortage of cattle in San Francisco. These might be the only alternative.
in Europe its pretty much common place that drunk idiots flip smart cars because its easy and when your drunk it seems pretty funny.
4 people can actually lift one pretty easy.
I've seen discussions of having electric cars play an audio track of engine noise to reduce accidents with pedestrians.
And now, when the kids tip it, it will go "MooOOOOOOooo"
I've never understood why people would actually buy those things. They aren't particularly fuel efficient, their crash test ratings are far from stellar, they don't have a lot of space & cost as much as a full sized car. Maybe if they were insanely fuel efficient or cheap it might make sense, but they aren't.
One more piece of evidence that San Francisco needs to be nuked to a smoking crater.
Is it a crime of opportunity or another page in the current chapter of Anti-Tech movement in San Francisco?
No. neither. Interesting_crime + San_francisco doesnt mean its some primal scream against the jackboot of some technological ruling class. Thats just hysterical conjecture. Police cannot be everywhere at every minute of the day. Given this fact, crimes will occur. These can vary from bicycle theft to parking structure arson and even home invasion. each is unique and cannot be condensed meaningfully into some hot button issue used to drive click revenue. san francisco has, as most every other major american metropolitan area, numerous significant problems and challenges and while some of them predicate violent crime and property damage, it is irresponsible to try to categorize them into one particular problem. We are, as humans, prone to sampling bias by our wanton nature of categorization and observation of false patterns.
this story would make more sense if it were Prius or Tesla arson, or intentional sabotage of major transportation systems, but the size and weight of vehicles like the mini, yaris, smart, beetle, and a host of other subcompacts simply lend themselves to hooliganism. My crown victoria on the other hand with two-ton curb weight and police spotlight on the other hand, does not. in turn it also does nothing for the environment at 14 miles per gallon and 15 years of age.
disclaimer: ive never lived in san francisco, i just hope they can roll with the punches.
Good people go to bed earlier.
These hoodlums had to take something pure and natural and pollute it.
Cows are natures gift and God made them the way they are so that man can garner amusement in tipping them over as they stand in a field.
But tipping a smart car is an abomination of the purity of Cow Tipping. Shame on them!
Speaking as someone who when they first saw a smart car said to themselves "I wonder if i run out into the road and shoulder check it if it would tip over" I don't think the vandals in question are doing this to make a statement. I think its most likely that they had a similar thought combined it with youthful enthusiasm and the great decision making power that only a group of teenagers can have.
obligatory XKCD
We didn't tip them. We put them between poles so the had to do a 300 point turn to get out.
We also came back and removed it when the teacher went inside to call a tow truck.
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On May 16th we'll get one better...
Detroit was once a very nice city. This exact sort of behavior made Detroit the smoking crater it is today. If you drive everyone with money away from your tax base, there won't be anything left. There was a deliberate effort in Detroit's case, and while it took a decade or more to drive out the middle class, and another couple decades to run out of money, it was inevitable from just a few years in.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Excessive gentrification raises housing costs to the point where only wealthy professionals
can afford to live there. There are several disadvantages to this: first, everyone works,
no stay-at-home moms, so there are no eyes on the street during the days. Second,
anyone without a professional-level income can't stay in the neighborhood. Like my
kids music teacher.
Part of your assumption is that gentrification starts with filthy crime-ridden gettoes. It
can also destroy stable, safe, lower- and middle-class neighborhoods. Like mine.
I don't fully get it. But in my alumni mailing list, the die-hard Republicans seem to be rooting for and seem to be very satisfied by the friction between the masses of San Francisco and the tech employees. Some strange logic like, tech employees are largely Democratic, and the masses of CA are also Democratic, so any fall out between them would benefit the Republicans. They keep posting links to excessive pay for tech tycoons and links to these kinds of news stories. Seem to be under the impression this will turn tech workers into Republicans.
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This will become a more common occurrence. Why do you think the rich want to spend so much more on Police and the Military?
"To those who are overly cautious, everything is impossible. "
" This exact sort of behavior made Detroit the smoking crater it is today. " The decline of American manufacturing is felt in manufacturing centers.
You're no economist. You're no sociologist. You're no historian.
But what caused the decline in American manufacturing? I can point to certain self-destructive behaviors on both the management and labor side that drove the Detroit auto sector into the ground. Heck, I can even point to the city management and city unions for their fair share. Did they face some hard external challenges? Yes, they did – but the ultimate responsibility of their failure lays in Detroit.
And I can say this as a trained economist and historian. (armature status today, but still.)
One more piece of evidence that San Francisco needs to be nuked to a smoking crater.
Some people there apparently don't like Smart Cars (or maybe those who drive them), and that's a reason to nuke the city and start over? Would you rebuild SF to make it more friendly to Smart Cars?
I was busy memorizing pi to the hundredth decimal place and trying to get enough wishes to get my fighter to 18/00 strength. We all did.
I wonder if it's third worlders... jealous of white man's technology...
Oh, wait... that was 'racist' of me, wasn't it. Pointing out the truth - that non-whites hate their own kind, and will do anything to live around 'racists' - sorry - whites...
Well, being factually incorrect in racial claims does make you appear racist. The "third world immigrants" in Silly Valley are upper middle class, for the most part. There's a reason that the average income of Hindus is far and away the highest of any religion in America (well into 6 figures).
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So basically a bunch of tree-hugging hippie faggots.
The professional economics and historians point to globalization and automation as the major factors in Detroit's decline.
You're an electrical engineer too?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Of course San Francisco has decent weather and pleasant scenery going for it where Detroit does not. It helps make the residents a lot more tolerant of pervasive problems.
There hasn't been a decline in American manufacturing capacity, only in manufacturing jobs. That decline was felt in every older US city - what made Detroit so special? The history there is really quite clear.
The US middle class has nothing to do with manufacturing any more. Most US cities made the switch along with the overall US economy, welcoming those with modern middle class jobs. But Detroit chose not to do that: Detroit chose poorly.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
4 cars in a fairly small radius tipped on one evening != a trend
it was a single group of probably young men, deciding to do something stupid.
Now if it continues to happen over a larger area, for some time, then it will become a trend.
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For all I jknow, it could be God punishing the gay community, or insurance companies so they can raise their prices.
Submission is less newsworthy than foxnews
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Is this an appeal to the mods? Because you're certainly not winning favor yet. Perhaps you're just mad that you didn't think to link to that great comic?
The professional economics and historians point to globalization and automation as the major factors in Detroit's decline.
Funny that Tennessee and South Carolina are still making cars.
Lots of cars.
Easy Mater! Don't go giving them kids ideas about messing with cows. Unlike hipsters, they will fight back.
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> This exact sort of behavior made Detroit the smoking crater it is today.
Not really.
There may be some parallels, but Detroit was mostly a different situation. The Detroit lower classes did not actively try to push away those with money the way the SF leaches are trying to do. In Detroit, there were decades of major race relation problems that culminated in black riots in the downtown core. This scared the white middle-class who pretty much all picked up and moved to the suburbs willingly.
In SF, the complainers are a small group of mostly young, white folks who are bored, unemployed and looking for handouts to sustain their leach-like lifestyle.
They would fall into the globalization catagory - as in they are in part of the globe that detroit isn't in. Hell, ohio anf kentucky make a lot of cars and car parts to.
They underlaying story is political and social economics which economist and historians don't really want to point to out of fear of being labelef partisan.
Mentos must be stopped.
No – those are challenges to Detroit. They might explain why Detroit is no longer the undisturbed, preeminent auto manufacturing center of the world. The rest of the world got better. Those are some of the external factors that I was eluding too. It does not explain the failure to evolve and adapt. The failure to respond is an internal factor that lies on the doorstep of Detroit and the Big 3 - these factors they did have control over.
Aging liberal hippy douche
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How can we remove these filthy and criminal people from our new neighborhood, clarkkent09? Let's build a startup together..
We can call it finalsolutionr.
There is an unfortunate reality about class wars of poor against rich: The rich have the power. If the poor pick the fight like this, the rich will respond with laws and ordinances that will basically accelerate the demographic shifts that the poor are protesting. Face it, the rich have won San Francisco. For a generation or two, it will be their playground. (They will get old, make the place lame, two where no interesting young people will want to move there, and the thing will reset. But it will take a while.) It's just unwise to pick fights with the rich. It will only accelerate your removal (to the speed of a police car).
I feel sorry for the poor person who is simply trying to reduce her carbon foot print, live a physically smaller foot print and have economical transportation in a large city. The people tipping car a simply juvenile regardless of their age.
20 some years ago when toyota and honda started becoming popular, a few of us in highschool would pick one end of those cars up and turn them sideways in thier psrking spots. We never caused any damage though. We sometimes would knock on the owners door and tell them a strong gust of wind did it.
It was all out of boredom and resentment about buying a foreign car at that time meant an american worker was without a job. Of course the imports solved that resentment issue by opening manufactoring plants in the US. Smartest thing they ever did if you ask me.
Our old Chevy Sprint- a 5 passenger hatchback- weighed < 1500lb and got 44mpg city / 53 hwy. For the sake of "safety" the Smart Fortwo- a dinky two-passenger car with little cargo room- weighs 2250 lb and gets 34 city/ 38 hwy. The engineer giveth, and the safety inspector taketh away.
Safety involves tradeoffs, and people should be able to make their own informed decisions about their own safety and the risks they will tolerate. Safety regulations should be based on the damage your car does to other cars (and to pedestrians and cyclists), since you shouldn't get to decide what risks other people face.
Failing to admit that safety involves tradeoffs, and regulating cars only based on their own occupants' safety, has led to a curb weight arms race. The easy way to be safer, if you ignore the tradeoffs, is to make your car heavier compared to the average; but when the average weight rises everyone is less safe (especially pedestrians and cyclists), all the advances in engines and materials are outweighed, and MPGs stay stagnant.
Actually San Francisco is gaining a lot of people with money. Rents are beyond belief. This is the city where $4000 gets you a 1 bedroom apartment within walking distance of your tech job. Your basic $1 million home is 3 bedrooms, 1 bath, with a patch of cement in front some here call a lawn.
Certainly there is a sizeable left leaning population, but they are hardly unemployed sitting around demanding handouts. The politically active leftists are just as self-sufficient and delusional as the politically active right wingnuts. We do have both here in the San Francisco area.
LOL, did your music teacher have a Datsun roadster too?
Trending? What, are you some kind of fucking douche?
"But what caused the decline in American manufacturing?"
Unadulterated GREED.
Allowing rich assholes to move manufacturing offshore for free dramatically increases profit margins. The ones that stayed here, those are not assholes.
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I think it's a bright opportunity to re-design the Smart car and make it able to sit in their butts by design, thus minimizing the parking space needed.
Yup. Ask Gary Indiana how the 90's were to it. Gary is still a smoking crater of what used to be the largest industrial cities in america.
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There are many places, gone now, that never had anything but heavy industry. But Detroit used to have more, much like e.g. Chicago. It turned itself into Gary Indiana.
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So, the German and Japanese bosses who move manufacturing plants to the US are assholes? If that is true, since they are exploiting lower American wages for their unadulterated greed, how come they are not failing like American manufactures?
Lots of foreign cars.
What caused the decline of the big three was bad management, not necessarily GREED. First they were too slow to take foreign competition in the U.S. market seriously. Then later on, they were too focused on the American market to make the cars they needed to compete in foreign markets. Especially the ones where the cost of gas is higher, and the roads are smaller... which is most countries.
Considering the XKCD link gained a +5 insigthfull, maybe it was The Grim Reefer posting as AC?
Conspiracies, conspiracies everywhere!
Watch some video of what the insides of those factories look like. They employ a small fraction of the employees that worked in the old Detroit and Flint plants.
I watched a video about the Hyundia plant in Alabama. The chassis assembly line involves something like 30 people.
That would be the "automation" half of my comment.
Were these even electric cars?
And you're no linguist, yet we see your comments fill half of /.
Exactly, I did this in SimCity and eventually a volcano erupted in what was otherwise a geologically stable area. And simulations don't lie.
When I watched the Tesla assembly line in action I only saw one person working on the chassis doing some welding. Everything else was handled by robots.
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I've heard of going back to at least as early as the 1960s
I've heard of pranks that involved *moving* cars (heck, the football team relocated a teacher's lada), but not something that resulted in intentional damage to somebody's vehicle, and certainly not en-masse.
Grandparents? Try Great-Great Grandparents did things like this with horses, buggies, etc.
Interesting tidbit, relayed by one older than myself: Horses will walk up stairs pretty easily, but hate going down. Which means it's easy to lead he horse into the principal's 2nd story office, and a real PITA for said principal to get said horse out.
> Now if it continues to happen over a larger area, for some time, then it will become a trend.
Yes but then it will be a normal occurrence and thus not news.
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Didn't the South Africans come up with an anti-carjacking system a couple years ago that put a flamethrower under the car to roast the ankles of anyone threatening you from outside the car? Seems like Smart needs another security system option added to anti-theft. 'Tipping passes 5 degrees, engage flamethrower.'
There's plenty of cities that have been screwed when a major industry moves out. Pittsburgh and steel, LA and aerospace... Yet today, those places (and most of America's cities) are (once again) rising while Detroit is en route to be the first city in modern civilization's history to be voluntarily abandoned.
So, no, it's not just Somebody Else's Fault that Detroit is a disaster zone. But denying that Detroit is partly culpable in the mess is certainly keeping it one...
Quality products + outstanding value + not trying to fuck over their employees. All things the US car manufacturers seemed to delight in avoiding for a couple decades.
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You're an electrical engineer too?
Heh, I read that as a portmanteau of 'armchair' and 'amateur' which I guess could stand in for 'armchair expert'.. a group unlikely to ever be a minority on the 'dot.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
20 some years ago when toyota and honda started becoming popular
You mean back in 1994?
This is how you take care of the problem https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
20 some years ago when toyota and honda started becoming popular, a few of us in highschool would pick one end of those cars up and turn them sideways in thier psrking spots. We never caused any damage though.
I think that illustrates a problem I have with the view that things were just as crap in Socrates' time and that the older generations are always complaining about 'youth of today' issues. Please forgive the somewhat off-topic nature of this post but your comment struck me.
By and large I agree with the premise but there are certainly things going on now that never used to happen. Your example is perfect - a bit of harmless fun; property damage (or any harm) probably never entered your minds. Conversely, kids I hear about through the news now are in the spotlight because they're supplying alcohol and pot to nine-year-olds, burning down schools and dropping breeze blocks off motorway overpasses into the windscreens of passing cars.
I don't remember this stuff happening twenty years ago but the volume was clearly going up even then. My parents reckon this sort of thing simply didn't happen and is a modern phenomenon. There'll be those who talk about technology enabling bad behaviour and whilst that may be true, breeze blocks and alcohol, schools and boxes of matches have all been around a while now.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Considering the XKCD link gained a +5 insigthfull, maybe it was The Grim Reefer posting as AC?
Nobody with a handle like that can be all bad though. :P
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Don't forget automation. If the number of man-hours needed to make a car is a tiny fraction of what the competition requires, then what they're paid doesn't matter nearly as much to sale price.
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Detroit suffered from something called "Devil's night" where certain groups of people attempted to set fire to as many homes, businesses and other property as well.
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Or maybe they *do* like smart cars, and just find tipping them amusing. I've never heard it suggested that cow-tipping was motivated by any particular dislike for cows or farmers. And with a bit of alcohol (or asshole) in their systems a bunch of bemused people might not even consider the damage done. For that matter was any real damage done? The things have roll cages, and I don't recall seeing any broken headlights, etc. in the photos. I'm sure some people will cite the horrible expense of scratches in the paint, but in terms of mechanical damage all I can think of is possibly draining some of the fluids into places they shouldn't be. And I don't think a car has anything half so prone to orientation damage as a refrigerator - and that's easy enough to fix with a flush and recharge.
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I've seen documentaries on the operation of modern car making plants. Car components are ordered automatically, they are then distributed to the correct area of the factory by automatic trolley systems. Robots lift up the parts, weld them in place. Windows are put in place by robot. Spray-painting is done by machine. Humans do things like final testing.
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Same thing happens to motorcycle riders. Just because the obnoxious riders stand out, all riders tend to get a bad rap.
Interesting. I must drive the opposite of properly, as I get 24 mpg (mostly city) in my 09 manual corolla, and got the same in my old 96 integra gsr - both with 1.8 liter engines. It still beats the 11 mpg I got in my old Durango though.
Only one kind of person messes with another person's car.
Yes, if they closed up most of the plants in Germany and Japan? They absolutely are assholes.
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Different situation. The Germans and Japanese plants in the US make products for the US. Apple used to make products in their US plant for the US market, now they outsource that work to Taiwanese company with a plant in China.
If someone is going to tip a nearly-two-ton car, they certainly won't be doing it quickly or without mechanical help.
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Or maybe they *do* like smart cars, and just find tipping them amusing. I've never heard it suggested that cow-tipping was motivated by any particular dislike for cows or farmers. And with a bit of alcohol (or asshole) in their systems a bunch of bemused people might not even consider the damage done. For that matter was any real damage done? The things have roll cages, and I don't recall seeing any broken headlights, etc. in the photos. I'm sure some people will cite the horrible expense of scratches in the paint, but in terms of mechanical damage all I can think of is possibly draining some of the fluids into places they shouldn't be. And I don't think a car has anything half so prone to orientation damage as a refrigerator - and that's easy enough to fix with a flush and recharge.
Why do you discount the cost of the bodywork? Isn't that still damage? The roll cage isn't there to prevent damage, it's there to prevent the roof from being crushed in a rollover accident. Someone once keyed the side of my car and tore the driver's door handle off in an attempt to break in. It cost $4500 to replace the door and repaint that side of the car - the car itself was only worth around $7000, so it was close to being totaled. A smart car is smaller so the bodywork repairs might cost a bit less, but popping out or replacing the side body panels that were on the ground (sidewalks in SF are made of hard concrete in SF, not of fluffy pillows as they apparently are where you live) and repainting it is still going to be in the thousands. So each car owner is probably going to be out $500 - $1000 or whatever their insurance deductible is, plus whatever amount their insurance increases after they make a claim.
Besides, have drunks ever successfully tipped over a cow? There seems to be a lot of debate about whether or not cow tipping is a real thing, and little evidence that it's real: https://www.google.com/search?...
Gonna have to agree with with DocSavage. Same mpg I get from my 1.6 civic. Sometimes I can get it a little lower by really flogging it.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
I'm sorry. Disagree, I guess. We're the ones driving 'properly'.
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Because I'm generally dismissive of people who obsess on form over function. If 5 minutes with a can of touch-up paint to protect against corrosion can render the car functionally equivalent to it's former self I'm not inclined to be very sympathetic to the person who moans about their car being "totaled". Not that the assholes who did it don't deserve to be chastised, but if you want to pay thousands of dollars to marginally increase the aesthetic appeal of a device specifically designed to operate in a harsh outdoor environment, that's your business.
Plus, I just remembered this, but IIRC rather than being painted the Smarts use dyed plastic body panels that are the same color throughout, so a scratch won't alter the color except perhaps by being a little more intense as the freshly-exposed material hasn't yet faded. Still visible if the light catches it just right, but even less of an issue than on a painted car.
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Sardaukar86 foaming @ the mouth again? He forgot to take his meds!
Sardaukar86 foaming @ the mouth again? He forgot to take his meds,
Hahahaha! Sardaukar86 should consider decaf.
About 6-8 years before that. Late 80s. I'm in my 40s
Lol.. looks like you got a friend or teo following you around.
I did do some property damage- eggs a principle's house for suspending me over something i had nothing to do with. He called me into the office and said if i knew who did it, tell them thanks because the siding needed painted anyways and now his insurance would pay for it. So i superglued all the locks on his house. He left me alone.
But yes, i know what you mean about kids these days. A lot of the trouble i got into was from listening to stories my father's old school chims told me. Big mistake, he knew immediately who how and when. Yes, they seem to be starting earlier now but that could be because of 24 hour news and think of the children. What i mean is, it coild have been happening but we didn't hear about it.
Although, we did start a camp fire in the woods oneday and a neighbor kid was there who ended up burning down 3 or 4 acres of corn imitating us. He was 5 or 6 at the time. Lucky he didn't get hurt. Perhaps the kids are gettong exposed earlier and monkey see monkey do before they think of it on thier own.
Please excuse the off-topic nature of this post and mod accordingly;
To the AC-whom-I-suspect-is-APK - have you noticed anyone else on Slashdot stalking posters from one story to another so that they can post links back to comments in another story? No? That's because you are the only one that does.
Your desperate need for validation seems to be making you blind to observing the social norms of the community/environment you are in. I'm not talking about the on-topic/off-topic nature of your comments - that's a degree of awareness I'm not sure you'll ever get, given your obsessions, but the much simpler behaviours surrounding things like linking to other comment threads. It's not done. Anyone who was interested in those comments probably participated in that discussion.
The comments you link to aren't even pertinent to this discussion. All they do is attempt to fan your ego. Your behaviour is narcissistic and disruptive. Please stop. No-one is interested in whether you 'beat' someone in a discussion on another thread except you. _I'm_ not interested in whatever you were discussing in that other thread. _I'm_ objecting to you trying to drag whatever personal vendetta you've adopted for the moment into this one. People don't downmod you because they hate the subject of your posts (OK, not _everyone_ downmods you because of the subject) - much of your negative moderation is because you fail to observe the courtesies and norms of the group you are joining. To put it more simply, you're ignoring some strong social cues and coming across as a self-absorbed and self-obsessed jerk.
Please stop.
They mostly do that to avoid the import duties, which are pure protectionism.
Been in downtown Boston or New York lately? Or London, Berlin, or Tokyo?
Get over the "rents are beyond belief" Population, and land prices among the wealthy, have been going up for decades.
What caused the decline of the big three was bad management, not necessarily GREED.
Which is a lesson GM is still yet to learn.
The Holden (GM) and Ford factories in Australia are shutting down because they didn't bother looking at the market and adjusting their products. People are buying an entry level Merc or BMW (which are very overpriced here) over a top of the line Ford Falcon or Holden Commodore (which costs less). Did GM change to produce more luxury cars rather than overpowered boats, nope, they just kept their hand out for more (Australian) government money and when it stopped, they closed the factories (announced the closure for 2017). GM are doing this in Australia today, they'll be doing it in the US tomorrow... The day after that they'll be selling the individual brands off in a vain effort to avoid being put into administration.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
20 some years ago when toyota and honda started becoming popular, a few of us in highschool would pick one end of those cars up and turn them sideways in thier psrking spots. We never caused any damage though. We sometimes would knock on the owners door and tell them a strong gust of wind did it.
Yes,
In America you never really had the smaller cars like the Mini (The Morris/Austin marque, not that crappy BMW) or the Hillman Imp. these cars weight between 600 and 800 KG, so four schoolkids could lift it and place it between two trees for shits and giggles. Of course we never had the problem with Xenophobia that the Americans did.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Heh, don't mind my one-man fan club there, he's just ticked off for being called out on his bad behaviour. Naturally the best rebuttal is.. more of the same behaviour. I hope he's not pissing people off with all the crapflooding he's aiming at me.
Taking matters into one's own hands is never the wisest course of action but I can't say I really take issue with your actions against the principal, hell at that age I'd have done the same myself.
That's a far cry from causing trouble and damaging stuff just because one is bored and from your post it doesn't sound like you're the type. Your campfire copycat was interesting and reminds me of a time when I was seven, walking through a small bush area with a couple of mates when we came across a small but rapidly growing fire in a clearing. We stumbled into it just seconds before a pair of adults materialised out of the trees from another direction (we hadn't even a chance to try scrubbing it out, we were stunned for about a half second as we were still looking at each other in the WTF stage). Naturally, the adults immediately began demanding answers.
Sure, we got the fire out almost instantly but it took a bit of fast talking to avoid being dragged out by the ear, including voluntarily turning out our pockets so it was clear we had no matches or lighters on us. I could well imagine we'd not even get the chance to protest our innocence had we been a trio of kids in 2014.
Never did figure out how that fire started..
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
A lot of things are trending if they only have to happen 1 time for that to be said.
That's Fox news SOP, no?
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Witness the sheer intelligence (not of Sardaukar86" (foaming @ the mouth) http://news.slashdot.org/comme... + http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
tell fibs much? you started things with the anoncoward who posts your raging fits sardaukar86 from what I read there.
Listen, I'm telling you that's when you know Sardaukar86 forgot to take his meds interval again, hahahaha!
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You know, the fact that wealthy parents can protect their kids from criminal justice reeks so badly of corruption that it's hard to smell the underlying campaign donations anymore. And no, they shouldn't go to jail for life for committing some minor crimes. Just 5 days in some nice secure and safe jail would be enough to pop in to their minds when they are next going to do something stupid. No need to leave that 5 day visit on any public record, so not to ruin anyones future work prospects. What I'm trying to say here is: even the parents might be ok with their kids getting a punishment. But since most punishments are way overboard and will ruin the rest of the life they will do whatever is in their power to keep the case off record and the kid away from any criminal justice system.
If that $4000-Bedroom is downton SF, your tech job in Mountain View or Cupertino is NOT within walking distance.
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If that $4000-Bedroom is downton SF, your tech job in Mountain View or Cupertino is NOT within walking distance.
The tech jobs have come to SF big time. Where have you been? South of Market is full of techies. I live in the East Bay and work at 3rd/Brannan. The whole area is tech companies. Rackspace, Zynga, Adobe, Facebook, Twitter, Macys.com and Ubisoft are just a few of the companies in the area. A ton of little startups like the one I'm with are there as well.
But yes, SF has a large number of people who work in Mountain View and Cupertino as well. Google, Apple and some of the other big companies provide buses for their people who work in SF. There are so many techies in SF that rents have gone waaaaay up and the working class folks are pissed because of it.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/...
Maybe it's time to quit pretending like we're looking out for everyone and just accept we're building an undercity to warehouse have-nots.
Smart puts up 3 cars to get tipped over. Gets ten or a hundred times that money back in free advertising. Smart.
I come here for the love
I hate those disgusting little cars.
http://i.cubeupload.com/T6cyLu.png
Sounds like left coast hippies still drugged out from the latest Pelosi rally
This being /. and a car discussion, it needs a software analogy.
Microsoft had an effective monopoly on desktop OSes and office suites, and raked in the money. Then they ran into the problem that times had changed, and they were reluctant to change with them, because the money was still coming in. (This is hard in any large business, particularly ones that don't do good long-range planning.) They found that people were using iOS and Android devices to do a lot of things that they'd previously used Windows machines for, and didn't pay attention to what people wanted and released Windows 8, which was viewed unfavorably by people who just wanted an economical and reliable car. Moreover, Microsoft wanted to use Office as a driver for Windows sales, and was very late to put it on iOS and Android, meaning that people found that they could readily use other word processing and spreadsheet and email software.
It was a long way down, but this led to the decline of Microsoft. As employment dropped, the city of Redmond was reluctant to deal with the downturn in Microsoft employee income, and kept overspending.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
There were kids in my time that did cause property damage. Not many. Now, we have a (probably small) group of teenagers who went out car-tipping, which causes property damage. Unless this turns into some sort of trend, we have a small group of destructive youth, much like we had in my time.
Teenagers did supply alcohol to young people (dunno about pot back then) and started fires sometimes. (How many schools have been burned down?)
I'm not at all convinced that this is a real change. One thing the Internet has done is allowed people much greater visibility of things that happened half a continent away, and so you can't judge by news then and news now.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
There's a reason that the average income of Hindus is far and away the highest of any religion in America (well into 6 figures).
The religion with the richest adherents wins!
" I hear about through the news now are in the spotlight because they're supplying alcohol and pot to nine-year-olds, burning down schools and dropping breeze blocks off motorway overpasses into the windscreens of passing cars."
im 40 and when i was 15 this exact stuff was also just as popular.. this is a trend that has no limit of time, it is just the wild and notion of immortality that is part of youth, just the degree of damage and ways in which it is perpetrated that changes as technology allows for greater misdeeds to be done (e.g. dropping blocks off an overpass is akin to fireworks in a cobblestone street scaring horses, or tipping candles and burning down barns)