This really shows how out of touch the patent office is...
E-Bay of all companys should know better than to seek such a patent let alone enforce it.
E-Bay might have some problems suing everyone who did this as some of them went out of busness before E-Bay went into busness...
A simple sample of prior art.. an obsolete Dos program generating thumbnails for websites...
I'm not 100% sure thumbnail porn is prior art but I am pritty sure I've seen junkyard sales home pages displaying thumbnails of the junk being sold before E-Bay showed up...
>Particularly in light of the fact that he typo'd on 0wn3d too.
Considering leet speak is both bad spelling an using numbers as letters... It's entirely appropreate to misspell "Own3d"
Own32d.... I get it... Owned to the power of 32 bits... a higher level of owned...
Tacos just out leeting the leet...:)
First HOW:
Mindstorms.. build a robot that types.
use camra..
Set up camra to look at screen..
The program enters a password and looks to see if the screen is still asking for a password
(block out everything but the dialog box and use motion detection software to detect a "change" from the last image.. only compare after entering a password.. give computer time to verify password)
When it thinks it has the right password it should chime "You got hax0red" or whatever..
This should be amazingly simple.. just run a simple "half/hack" that trys simple passwords first.. then run down a list of posable combonations.
If you can rember ANY details of your password (such as how many keystrokes) include that... you probably know aprox how long it is so you can avoid things like single keystroke passwords..
This may take a while but it will eventually strike gold....
The limiting factor is that the password must be entered manually directly into the keyboard.
Now.. this shouldn't be nessisary...
This seems like an ideal security dosn't it? I mean it takes DAYS to crack a password and well you'll catch the guy sooner or later right?
Well.. no... He just steals your computer and uses this next solution..
Boot with a rescue disk (or CDrom) this is true of Linux as well as Windows...
In fact with Windows you may use Linux to rescue your Windows system..
Find the password file..
here is the tricky part.. I don't know how Windows passwords are layed out...
erase that file or edit it...
With Unix you gotta edit it...
Go and edit/etc/passwd or/etc/shadow
(of shadow dosn't exist edit passwd)
root:mememememe:11262:0:::::
Now memememe in this example is the password (encrypted) obveously it'll accually be garbage but for this example I didn't want to give up my root password even if it is encrypted and my box isn't remote accessable.. (It's just a personal system I turn it off when not in use)
So anyway.. by erasing this your password is nullifyed... You can now log into your system.
You'll have to do some exploring on Windows or other non-unix systems to see how THEY do it..
But the princaple remains...
You have command of the computer itself.. you can bypass control.. you can nullify the password.
Way back someone I knew had his computer in the care of someone...
When he got his computer back the guy who was keeping the computer had added a password...
I booted a floppy (dos) and edited autoexec.bat and removed the the password prompt..
(It seems the guy I knew owed a lot of money)
The disk could have been encrypted but in this case it wasn't... That would have made life a lot tuffer.. but given a known encryption algrithm it wouldn't be hard to crack the password with a flopy boot client..
That is how you hax0r the g1bs0n (when the gibson is in your posession)
Clearly the human brain is obsolete..
When prompted the human brain will run e-mail trojens (posably viruses) even when it knows better.
When prompted it will accept incryption keys even when the prompt details that the new key is very likely invalid and DaNgErOuS.
The human brain is quite capable of designning all kinds of elabrate securing systems but any time the brain plays an active role in this process the brain attemps to use easlly hacked passwords.. leave defaults in place... say ok to prompts that say "Danger you WILL die if you accept this"...
Heres a thought...
Someone has root on your box...
I mean they have control of the computer it dosn't matter what encryption you use..
I mean for that matter.. you could be using no encryption at all and you'd never even know...
I know someone who uses CP/M and I still use a printer terminal.
While some throw out 386s others surf the web on XTs.
Intel discontinues old Pentium chips annother chip maker builds faster 65816 chips (20 mzh) and others make imbeded computers using 486 clone chips.
While some throw out a larg screen TV for a new HDTV others buy old B/W 9 inchers..
While some buy new digital clocks some go out of there way for wind ups...
The point?
What the hell is obsolete?
Obsolete is someone elses idea of "not useful anymore" but nothing ever really becomes "not useful"..
SSH/SSL will die when mankind dies... piriod.. Not when it becomes unuseful in the eyes of the majority... but when isn't a single person left who might spawn a child who might find it useful for something....
So XXX is dead... yeah.... Dos is dead.. thats what Microsoft keeps saying... and they still can't get rid of it...
Nothing ever dies.. software never dies.. it just stops being populare...
Anything that isn't exactly like my mirror image is pathetic..
Excluding wemen.. wemen aren't pathetic:)
But everyone else who isn't exactly like me is..
and if I really belived that... then I truely would be pathetic..
>Do you believe everything you read on the web?!
No.. and I don't expect you to eather...
What I expect is for you to research this yourself. I hope you come to the same conclusions I have.
However I didn't need the webpage to convence me sence I was costummer of IFN at the time...
However... you seem willing to accept a third party repost of an auto-responder to usenet as "from the horses mouth"...
I went ahead and verifyed the text was infact athentic...
It is the last item in the e-mail just after this:
Please recognize that control of your online activities, including email, belongs to you, not us. We are prepared to assist and take action when necessary, but you must make the first attempt to solve the problem.
In otherwords... "We WILL do what WE can to eliminate spam but you have to do your part"
Given what IMAPS did to IFN I'm not supprised they are being more than a bit jumpy when it comes to abuse complaints.
Spammer sets up website on IFN..
IFN and IMAPS gets complaints...
IFN shuts down website.. IMAPS lists IFN anyway..
IMAPS refuses contact with IFN for almost a month.
IFN is delisted...
Spammer clames website is back...
I checked.. it wasn't back...
IMAPS acknoladges the website isn't at the advertised location.. lists IFN anyway..
Refuses contact....
I'll ask IFN to clarify it's policy.. it seems you don't get it...
They are charging a fee to help deal with abuse that is outside IFNs services...IE Spammers adveritsing fictional websites...
>Can you imagine a world without Trees ?
Air.. need air.. can't breath....
>Or a world without water ?
I'm thursty....
>a world without Cellphones ?
This is Santa we are talking about... not Satan:)
>Or how about a world world in darkness ?
Yeah.. it's called being blind (I'm not... I have 20/20 vision... and I'm greatful for it)
>Can there be a world without Hope ?
I have days, and weeks like that... some people have LIFES like that... I'm lucky I guess:)
>Or a world without GOD ?
Mathmaticly it's posable...
But thinking about it makes my brain hurt..
The question for me is not "is there a god" but "whos god" and I come to the conclusion that we are all wrong and that God really dosn't need folowers... Just an occasional messanger...
>Wouldn't people just get crushed ?
Mathmaticly speaking.. no
>That they know we are all in 'The Matrix' ?
We are all batterys...... Well you know occasionally in the morning the sky flickers like a monitor.. (optic effect... I don't know what causes this... But it sure dose look like a digital cage...)
The Jewish aren't christan and don't celibrate Christmass...
your right.. why would someone inslaved.. and nearly killed off.. want anything to do with freedom?
But don't confuse the two groups just becouse one uses the other as it's base...
I firmly believe if Christ were walking the earth today and saw what was done in his name he'd be very very ill...
The christan religion preaches against such deeds... but far to many "folowers" are frauds...
Thats what it was.. It's long sence been mutated into a Christan holiday... ohh But more recently it mutated again...
Now it's a capitalist holiday...
You really think pagans of long ago had to deal with "Only 365 shopping days left..."....
And the most holy of days are December 23 where shoppers scramble at the last second to buy whatever crap is left on the shelfs at inflated prices and December 26 when everyone takes stuff BACK...
December 23 is all about supply and demand.. once the gifts are down to a few people will pay anything for anything,...
December 26 is the reminder of quality service and costummer care.. You should do your best to make sure the costummer gets the gift right (correct size etc) or the costumer takes the gift back.
24 is abount patence... 25 is about GIVING.. (thats presevred) and the rest of the month is about human madness.... and accually the holiday spreads accrost the year.. the other 11 months are about planning ahead for next year....
Santa as a mem: The idea of good will past down from generation to generation vea a holiday
Santa as a religious icon: Saint Nick...
Santa as a pagan god: "But very few people realize that history clearly shows that Woden was renamed St. Nick or Santa Claus,"
Santa as a spelling error: Could it be Satan?
Santa as a perl module: Santa.pm [Gives gifts to good little varables].
Santa as a Slashdot troll: "First Gift"
Santa as a Linux user: RedHat...
Santa as an evil information gathering dark conspericy: "He's making a list and checking it twice.. gona find out whos naughty and nice" [and sell the information? Think those presents are free?]
Allow me to insert something into this debate..
IBM is getting credability...
LinuxOne got it.. RedHat got it... what did we get? A scam IPO and a buggy distro...
IBM needs credability even more than LinuxOne and RedHat...
IBM needs it BADLY...
Thats all IBM is asking for... and thats what we WILL NOT give them...
Thanks for the code.. we need proof of commitment...
Anyone can deliver code.. We need something only IBM can deliver...
We need big machines... We need IBMs big machines... and we need Linux running on them.
Now I think we can ask a few things of IBM but... IBM will only do it if they think they'll benifit...
So it's not so much what will "WE" do for IBM.. but how will IBM benifit from what we want from them.
We shouldn't expect IBM to do something they can't benifit from and we shouldn't offer "in trade" anything for the moment...
So.. what I want is Linux on IBMs machines.. and some other things IBM could benifit from...
I agree...
My move to Linux has been entirely painless..
In fact I find Linux to be "User Friendly" and for a while called it such...
But when I set my AT&T 3B2 Unix manuals asside I found out something... I accually NEED those things.
I grabbed the books again and got myself where I don't need them anymore..
The Linux manuals I've seen are nowhere near up to snuff...
What Linux needs mostly is a Users guide.. a basic manual.. This is something the Linux Documentation Project can handle...
But if IBM wants.. they could talk with the LDP about selling printed manuals (and giving some of the proffits back to the LDP) however this is best left to ORA..
So thats what I'd like to see of ORA and the LDP.. a Linux user manual...laied out like the old manuals...
What "I" want or IBM is for IBM to move what makes AIX great into Linux.. direct ports rather than indirect ports...
This will degrade the marketability of AIX itself to nill.. So yes in a way I want Linux to suplant AIX. But I don't think thats what IBM wants.
IBM wants to sell hardware. AIX presents IBM hardware in the best light RIGHT NOW..
I want IBM to SELL and continue to sell other software solutions for Linux. I'm not to keen on open source ports of IBMs software.. I don't think that flys very well..
What I do want is a basic JVM that is open source.. like the old Blackdown...
What I want is an open source input "forum"..
Technical documentations for older IBM hardware...
I want my PS/2 portable fixed (but thats really not related to Linux.. it's a 386 anyway)
I want to see a "Standard" Linux type hardware.. like the PC.
But The PC has become property of Microsoft and Intel and really hard to get Transmeta or Linux into the picture.
So I want a NEW platform.. Something not depending on a CPU... The old case and powersuply is fine.. I'm not marryed to it but I'm not thinking anything specal for it eather... So go with ATX and bang the shit out of it for preformence...
Standard insert motherboard design looks fine to me.. The CPU is marryed to the motherboard so you gotta have a Transmeta MB for a Transmeta CPU... That looks fine...
What I want is a new BUSS...
if you gotta change anything to make it work.. then change it..
I want true plug-n-play.. I want my driver support in 4 styles...
1. Binary.. This is a driver dedicated to one CPU.. So the card would be lable say "Alpha" would have a driver for the Alpha..
The driver uses univeral hooks so all OSes can use it...
This driver is optional..
2. Source Code.. This would be a source code driver... again using universal hooks. But this time implemented in C or C++ with make files etc..
This is the alternitive to the binary.. it is located on the same ROM as the binary thus not requiring an additional CD for support..
3. portable driver.. This in a Java or Java like language.. takes a preformence hit but a valid alternitive to the binary. This also located on rom but in this case optionall.. This should be done when the card may be needed at boot time.. like a drive controller or a video card.
The need of the driver is to use on a computer that dosn't use the same CPU the cards binaru driver needs.. but is needed to compile the source code.. so this is a short term driver to provide just enough support to get things going...
4. Open source driver... Changes submitted to Linux in order to get the drivers into the Linux source code... This would provide long term.. stable.. and powerful support.
This should NOT replace the above... Relying on a kernel release can delay product release.. so the driver to rely on for a release should be the source code and binary drivers included on the card...
The drivers included into Linux should simply be "in addition"... This would allow improvments to be made to the drivers by other partys to improve and enhance preformence...
What I also want of IBM is probably something less of my benifit and more of IBMs benifit...
Dona rely on just Linux...
Simply put.. don't ride the wave...
Support BSD as well.... the drivers for Linux should also be provided to BSD...
Also give AtheOS a look...
If something (ghods forbid) happends to Linux.. Say Linus gose insain... or RedHat buys some larg valuable chunk of code and plays god with it (they do own Cygen. so they could conceavably screw with GCC) I'd like to have BSD as a strong alteritive.. and in many cases Linux isn't up to snuff so BSD really ends up being the only choice.. I'd like to keep that option open...
And of course as I said... I'd like maybe an open source committy.. just a group of people working on the hardware aspects.. IBM, VA, Peguin Computing, BSD (becouse they make servers), Cobalt and Rebel... could get together and work on some basic platform that everyone can agree on..
I'd like the preveous stated specs but.. you guys gotta marry the details... not I...
of course Slashdot would get some input vea VA..
Now to sell...
What dose IBM get out of the pacage if they do this?
Well with the BSD support they get BSD community and pritty much a more solidifyed commitment to the open source community.
With porting AIXes best features to Linux (and to BSD maybe?) yes AIX vanishes.. evetually BSD and Linux would suplant AIX anyway..
So this way you get early addopter status.. into the mainframe departmemt anyway...
You get credit for moving Linux from low to midrange into the high end..
You get free hacks to your software...
The downside is you get to deal with an outside OS again... You lose AIX and a revenue stream earlyer that you'd have lost it otherwise (It dies sooner or later.. and I know you'd like it to die later.. but it might be better to let it die quickly).
The hardware deal is very valuable.
Linux (and everyone else) is fighting it out on the PC.. at one time the PC had a standard setup.. as live moved on more standards were created but it still remainned standard.
But now companys won't work on a firmware standard for 3D cards.. or anything of the like...
The plug n play isn't the "Driver on rom" system TI put together (ironnicly for a Unix system) that Apple later addopted (and paid TI a fee for). In case anyone is wondering.. that system was a GUI Unix... it was one of the early failures in the GUI workstation market...
(hows that... GUI,, plug n play,... on UNIX... aimed at AI not users..)
Basicly the PC PnP system is burnned into Windows.. an ID on the card so Windows can pick out the correct Windows driver...
At one time many operating systems could live on the PC.. That hardware wasn't "Dos only".. Xenix and Minux had a fair chance...
I'd prefer a PnP "driver on rom" API standard rather than a firmware interface standard becouse firmware turns into legacy issues...
Gotta wonder about the ammount of additional cost in supporting the obsolete VGA firmware on todays 3D rendering cards. Thats a whole extra set of logic just to support legacy.. and thats only used just long enough to boot the system and get the drivers installed. What a waist... a cheaper Java like driver would save quite a bit in that area.
I like in kernel drivers becouse it just seems to me more talored. But I don't want hardware venders to rely on that. So you should have the vender driver (in card) and the Linux driver (in kernel).. The in kernel driver would be the Linux equal to Microsoft certifyed drivers.. and with incard drivers to keep Linux honnest...
Disclamer: I am a Linux Zellot...
Former IBM loathing, then Apple Bashing, Now Microsoft bashing and occasionally Sun bashing... Zellot...
(IBM loathing only becouse I got in LATE.. I got into bashing the rest BEFORE it was populare.. and it's not populare to bash Sun.. YET)
Linux users rember OS/2 and quite often I hear "Will IBM do to Linux what they did to OS/2?" Or worse "IBM DID to Linux what they did to OS/2" the second being most insidous suggesting IBM has allready done "it"
But what is left out is... what did IBM do to OS/2? I don't think anyone knows or rembers...
Basicly IBM abandoned OS/2 when OS/2 needed defence... The PS/1 came with Windows preinstalled.. that sort of thing.. backing down when Microsoft started it's worst FUD attacks.
While OS/2 was IBM.. Linux isn't..
Then there is the other hand...
Linux has been shafted MANY TIMES and I suspect they want IBM to remeber we don't trust very quickly..
We have been burnt a few times... RedHat quickly "became" Linux.. and now RedHat is the worst example of Linux.. This isn't what we want to see from IBM.
RealMedia and other software venders jerking away Unix (and Linux) software in favor of (in some cases NEW) Windows Software.. (this also happend to Mac..)
Sun.. seemingly an allie.. we assumed WRONG... and Sun turnned and bit Linux on the butt... (Sun never did say they were allied so it's arguable the actions were consistent).
IBM is contributing advances.. they are taking the talk and walking the walk...
The sad part is others before IBM turnned into real snakes..
IBM has not been the good guy and is really on probation (as it were) by the whole computer industry...
Linux advocates are a really paranoid bunch..
I should know.. I am one...
But RedHat never did get the attention IBM gets..
Yeah we turn growl and bite...
We just want to remind you of where we stand on things...
It's going to take a long time before IBM gets accepted..
Yeah but think about this... IBM made more progress than anyone else...
IBM is in higher estime than Del, Compaq, Real Networks or RedHat...
IBM is taking Linux sereous....
Thats what we want...
We want long term commitment...
becouse we won't be foolled again...
Linux itself is pritty dinky...
The distros contain not just Linux itself but every application the distro maintainers deem worthy.
The problem is the defaults... This is posably the only area RedHat got right and the only area Slackware got wrong...
RedHat defaults only install a select few software pacages.. (If I rember correctly Netscape is NOT included in the server default...)
Slackware however only has "pick your software" and "install EVERYTHING" no "Default/recomended"...
Byond that.. I think distros have far to little software. 90% of Linux software is free and not everyone using Linux is going to bother to download better software when what is included on the CD works fine.
I think GRUBS and LILO should both be included.. I think some of the updated Mosaics should be included.. I think Modzilla as well as Netscape.. Galion.. etc etc etc...
MORE software not less....
And a CD (or two) with theams...
One annoyence is people do have this habbit of installing Linux and looking on the CD (and no ferther) and not seeing what they want/need.. they assume it dosn't exist..
This isn't so simple to resolve...
It's an assumption.. a WRONG assuption... However if you are going to get Linux accepted by the masses you will have to live with thies tinny mental boofs...
So the answer? Include MORE software....
Just don't include it in the stupid default installs.. Mkay?
No forgive Slashdot.. people submit "Slime grows in fridge" 8 thousand times it eventually gets posted.. Fox News has no such problem.
First shame on the jernalist who covered this story... Slock news? Gezzz and on Fox News for going with it. Ug.
Ok somebody dreammed up yet annother calander... Is that what it takes to make headlines?
Yeah it's man bites dog but gezz... accually no it's not man bites dog.. People are allways trying to reinvent socity.. 28 hour day.. 13 month year.. New speak.. and of course those who want the garbage and mail handled at night so it'll seem like magic.. (dosn't work BTW.. garbage trucks are loud and noisy.. wake everyone up.. every now and then a garbage company TRYS this and it NEVER works.. Can't blame them it seems like a good idea on paper. The post office just won't send people out in the dark.. to many potental problems).
I didn't even know such a thing existed...
Well I do now... so wheres that racist beat?
This nonsence only appeals to people who are allready racist...
Banning mention of the desease dosn't stop the disease..
Just generates press for those who hate...
As far as banning offensive stuff gose...
Looks like the Krull finnaly found a way to shut down Napster...
"We are now banning the last 3 remainning soungs that can be downloaded by Napster becouse they are relentlessly chearful and could be offensive to the cronicly depressed"
It's a fine tradition of USENET not of E-mail...
(I am refering to CancleMoose... His activitys has helpped battle spam on Usenet for years)
At one time the RBL was just a list of known spam friendly ISPs.
It has sence become a tool to force ISPs to comply to Vixies standards.
It was a feature to costummers.. they wanted spam free e-mail. They didn't care if they lost some lagit e-mail in the process...
Thats when spam was a major problem.. when CyberPromo was on the attack...
Now costummers don't care if they get spam.. they want to get all the e-mail ment for them...
yes ISPs have every right to provide whatever services they see fit. Consummers have every right to know what "services" they are getting. ISPs as a rule keep costummers in the dark about filtering policys.
Also the RBL has changed significantly over the years.
There was a time when backbones would kick off spam friendly ISPs..
They don't do that anymore.. becouse it isn't much of a problem anymore...
In the absence of a problem to solve.. the solution itself is a problem...
>Sigh... Ill be freaking jumping joy, when linux has stablized, and you really can download 1 binary!
Stable != one binary...
In distros the Linux kernel gets broken up into the core binary and many many modules... (treated as device drivers..)...
This is good.. precompilling EVERYTHING into the linux kernel would create a HUGE kernel... eating up way to much memory.. much of it is just support for other devices (diffrent sound cards, win modems etc...) nobody needs every device precompiled into the kernel
Slashdot Mirror
This really shows how out of touch the patent office is...
E-Bay of all companys should know better than to seek such a patent let alone enforce it.
E-Bay might have some problems suing everyone who did this as some of them went out of busness before E-Bay went into busness...
A simple sample of prior art.. an obsolete Dos program generating thumbnails for websites...
I'm not 100% sure thumbnail porn is prior art but I am pritty sure I've seen junkyard sales home pages displaying thumbnails of the junk being sold before E-Bay showed up...
>Particularly in light of the fact that he typo'd on 0wn3d too.
:)
Considering leet speak is both bad spelling an using numbers as letters... It's entirely appropreate to misspell "Own3d"
Own32d.... I get it... Owned to the power of 32 bits... a higher level of owned...
Tacos just out leeting the leet...
First HOW:
/etc/passwd or /etc/shadow
Mindstorms.. build a robot that types.
use camra..
Set up camra to look at screen..
The program enters a password and looks to see if the screen is still asking for a password
(block out everything but the dialog box and use motion detection software to detect a "change" from the last image.. only compare after entering a password.. give computer time to verify password)
When it thinks it has the right password it should chime "You got hax0red" or whatever..
This should be amazingly simple.. just run a simple "half/hack" that trys simple passwords first.. then run down a list of posable combonations.
If you can rember ANY details of your password (such as how many keystrokes) include that... you probably know aprox how long it is so you can avoid things like single keystroke passwords..
This may take a while but it will eventually strike gold....
The limiting factor is that the password must be entered manually directly into the keyboard.
Now.. this shouldn't be nessisary...
This seems like an ideal security dosn't it? I mean it takes DAYS to crack a password and well you'll catch the guy sooner or later right?
Well.. no... He just steals your computer and uses this next solution..
Boot with a rescue disk (or CDrom) this is true of Linux as well as Windows...
In fact with Windows you may use Linux to rescue your Windows system..
Find the password file..
here is the tricky part.. I don't know how Windows passwords are layed out...
erase that file or edit it...
With Unix you gotta edit it...
Go and edit
(of shadow dosn't exist edit passwd)
root:mememememe:11262:0:::::
Now memememe in this example is the password (encrypted) obveously it'll accually be garbage but for this example I didn't want to give up my root password even if it is encrypted and my box isn't remote accessable.. (It's just a personal system I turn it off when not in use)
So anyway.. by erasing this your password is nullifyed... You can now log into your system.
You'll have to do some exploring on Windows or other non-unix systems to see how THEY do it..
But the princaple remains...
You have command of the computer itself.. you can bypass control.. you can nullify the password.
Way back someone I knew had his computer in the care of someone...
When he got his computer back the guy who was keeping the computer had added a password...
I booted a floppy (dos) and edited autoexec.bat and removed the the password prompt..
(It seems the guy I knew owed a lot of money)
The disk could have been encrypted but in this case it wasn't... That would have made life a lot tuffer.. but given a known encryption algrithm it wouldn't be hard to crack the password with a flopy boot client..
That is how you hax0r the g1bs0n (when the gibson is in your posession)
Clearly the human brain is obsolete..
When prompted the human brain will run e-mail trojens (posably viruses) even when it knows better.
When prompted it will accept incryption keys even when the prompt details that the new key is very likely invalid and DaNgErOuS.
The human brain is quite capable of designning all kinds of elabrate securing systems but any time the brain plays an active role in this process the brain attemps to use easlly hacked passwords.. leave defaults in place... say ok to prompts that say "Danger you WILL die if you accept this"...
The human brain must be replaced soon...
Heres a thought...
Someone has root on your box...
I mean they have control of the computer it dosn't matter what encryption you use..
I mean for that matter.. you could be using no encryption at all and you'd never even know...
I know someone who uses CP/M and I still use a printer terminal.
While some throw out 386s others surf the web on XTs.
Intel discontinues old Pentium chips annother chip maker builds faster 65816 chips (20 mzh) and others make imbeded computers using 486 clone chips.
While some throw out a larg screen TV for a new HDTV others buy old B/W 9 inchers..
While some buy new digital clocks some go out of there way for wind ups...
The point?
What the hell is obsolete?
Obsolete is someone elses idea of "not useful anymore" but nothing ever really becomes "not useful"..
SSH/SSL will die when mankind dies... piriod.. Not when it becomes unuseful in the eyes of the majority... but when isn't a single person left who might spawn a child who might find it useful for something....
So XXX is dead... yeah.... Dos is dead.. thats what Microsoft keeps saying... and they still can't get rid of it...
Nothing ever dies.. software never dies.. it just stops being populare...
Anything that isn't exactly like my mirror image is pathetic.. :)
Excluding wemen.. wemen aren't pathetic
But everyone else who isn't exactly like me is..
and if I really belived that... then I truely would be pathetic..
I'm dead sereous... check for yourself
And behold the true face of santa..
Why are you watching TV on Christmas day?
They air crap becouse nobody watches and it would look bad to investors to just shut down for the day....
Ahh your a talk show host...
>Do you believe everything you read on the web?!
No.. and I don't expect you to eather...
What I expect is for you to research this yourself. I hope you come to the same conclusions I have.
However I didn't need the webpage to convence me sence I was costummer of IFN at the time...
However... you seem willing to accept a third party repost of an auto-responder to usenet as "from the horses mouth"...
I went ahead and verifyed the text was infact athentic...
It is the last item in the e-mail just after this:
Please recognize that control of your online activities, including email, belongs to you, not us. We are prepared to assist and take action when necessary, but you must make the first attempt to solve the problem.
In otherwords... "We WILL do what WE can to eliminate spam but you have to do your part"
Given what IMAPS did to IFN I'm not supprised they are being more than a bit jumpy when it comes to abuse complaints.
Spammer sets up website on IFN..
IFN and IMAPS gets complaints...
IFN shuts down website.. IMAPS lists IFN anyway..
IMAPS refuses contact with IFN for almost a month.
IFN is delisted...
Spammer clames website is back...
I checked.. it wasn't back...
IMAPS acknoladges the website isn't at the advertised location.. lists IFN anyway..
Refuses contact....
I'll ask IFN to clarify it's policy.. it seems you don't get it...
They are charging a fee to help deal with abuse that is outside IFNs services...IE Spammers adveritsing fictional websites...
You give them a chance to remove the item from the shelfs or your protest is slammed as a 'crank'...
>Can you imagine a world without Trees ?
:)
:)
Air.. need air.. can't breath....
>Or a world without water ?
I'm thursty....
>a world without Cellphones ?
This is Santa we are talking about... not Satan
>Or how about a world world in darkness ?
Yeah.. it's called being blind (I'm not... I have 20/20 vision... and I'm greatful for it)
>Can there be a world without Hope ?
I have days, and weeks like that... some people have LIFES like that... I'm lucky I guess
>Or a world without GOD ?
Mathmaticly it's posable...
But thinking about it makes my brain hurt..
The question for me is not "is there a god" but "whos god" and I come to the conclusion that we are all wrong and that God really dosn't need folowers... Just an occasional messanger...
>Wouldn't people just get crushed ?
Mathmaticly speaking.. no
>That they know we are all in 'The Matrix' ?
We are all batterys...... Well you know occasionally in the morning the sky flickers like a monitor.. (optic effect... I don't know what causes this... But it sure dose look like a digital cage...)
The Jewish aren't christan and don't celibrate Christmass...
your right.. why would someone inslaved.. and nearly killed off.. want anything to do with freedom?
But don't confuse the two groups just becouse one uses the other as it's base...
I firmly believe if Christ were walking the earth today and saw what was done in his name he'd be very very ill...
The christan religion preaches against such deeds... but far to many "folowers" are frauds...
Thats what it was.. It's long sence been mutated into a Christan holiday... ohh But more recently it mutated again...
Now it's a capitalist holiday...
You really think pagans of long ago had to deal with "Only 365 shopping days left..."....
And the most holy of days are December 23 where shoppers scramble at the last second to buy whatever crap is left on the shelfs at inflated prices and December 26 when everyone takes stuff BACK...
December 23 is all about supply and demand.. once the gifts are down to a few people will pay anything for anything,...
December 26 is the reminder of quality service and costummer care.. You should do your best to make sure the costummer gets the gift right (correct size etc) or the costumer takes the gift back.
24 is abount patence... 25 is about GIVING.. (thats presevred) and the rest of the month is about human madness.... and accually the holiday spreads accrost the year.. the other 11 months are about planning ahead for next year....
Santa as a mem: The idea of good will past down from generation to generation vea a holiday
Santa as a religious icon: Saint Nick...
Santa as a pagan god: "But very few people realize that history clearly shows that Woden was renamed St. Nick or Santa Claus,"
Santa as a spelling error: Could it be Satan?
Santa as a perl module: Santa.pm [Gives gifts to good little varables].
Santa as a Slashdot troll: "First Gift"
Santa as a Linux user: RedHat...
Santa as an evil information gathering dark conspericy: "He's making a list and checking it twice.. gona find out whos naughty and nice" [and sell the information? Think those presents are free?]
Allow me to insert something into this debate..
IBM is getting credability...
LinuxOne got it.. RedHat got it... what did we get? A scam IPO and a buggy distro...
IBM needs credability even more than LinuxOne and RedHat...
IBM needs it BADLY...
Thats all IBM is asking for... and thats what we WILL NOT give them...
Thanks for the code.. we need proof of commitment...
Anyone can deliver code.. We need something only IBM can deliver...
We need big machines... We need IBMs big machines... and we need Linux running on them.
Now I think we can ask a few things of IBM but... IBM will only do it if they think they'll benifit...
So it's not so much what will "WE" do for IBM.. but how will IBM benifit from what we want from them.
We shouldn't expect IBM to do something they can't benifit from and we shouldn't offer "in trade" anything for the moment...
So.. what I want is Linux on IBMs machines.. and some other things IBM could benifit from...
I agree...
My move to Linux has been entirely painless..
In fact I find Linux to be "User Friendly" and for a while called it such...
But when I set my AT&T 3B2 Unix manuals asside I found out something... I accually NEED those things.
I grabbed the books again and got myself where I don't need them anymore..
The Linux manuals I've seen are nowhere near up to snuff...
What Linux needs mostly is a Users guide.. a basic manual.. This is something the Linux Documentation Project can handle...
But if IBM wants.. they could talk with the LDP about selling printed manuals (and giving some of the proffits back to the LDP) however this is best left to ORA..
So thats what I'd like to see of ORA and the LDP.. a Linux user manual...laied out like the old manuals...
What "I" want or IBM is for IBM to move what makes AIX great into Linux.. direct ports rather than indirect ports...
This will degrade the marketability of AIX itself to nill.. So yes in a way I want Linux to suplant AIX. But I don't think thats what IBM wants.
IBM wants to sell hardware. AIX presents IBM hardware in the best light RIGHT NOW..
I want IBM to SELL and continue to sell other software solutions for Linux. I'm not to keen on open source ports of IBMs software.. I don't think that flys very well..
What I do want is a basic JVM that is open source.. like the old Blackdown...
What I want is an open source input "forum"..
Technical documentations for older IBM hardware...
I want my PS/2 portable fixed (but thats really not related to Linux.. it's a 386 anyway)
I want to see a "Standard" Linux type hardware.. like the PC.
But The PC has become property of Microsoft and Intel and really hard to get Transmeta or Linux into the picture.
So I want a NEW platform.. Something not depending on a CPU... The old case and powersuply is fine.. I'm not marryed to it but I'm not thinking anything specal for it eather... So go with ATX and bang the shit out of it for preformence...
Standard insert motherboard design looks fine to me.. The CPU is marryed to the motherboard so you gotta have a Transmeta MB for a Transmeta CPU... That looks fine...
What I want is a new BUSS...
if you gotta change anything to make it work.. then change it..
I want true plug-n-play.. I want my driver support in 4 styles...
1. Binary.. This is a driver dedicated to one CPU.. So the card would be lable say "Alpha" would have a driver for the Alpha..
The driver uses univeral hooks so all OSes can use it...
This driver is optional..
2. Source Code.. This would be a source code driver... again using universal hooks. But this time implemented in C or C++ with make files etc..
This is the alternitive to the binary.. it is located on the same ROM as the binary thus not requiring an additional CD for support..
3. portable driver.. This in a Java or Java like language.. takes a preformence hit but a valid alternitive to the binary. This also located on rom but in this case optionall.. This should be done when the card may be needed at boot time.. like a drive controller or a video card.
The need of the driver is to use on a computer that dosn't use the same CPU the cards binaru driver needs.. but is needed to compile the source code.. so this is a short term driver to provide just enough support to get things going...
4. Open source driver... Changes submitted to Linux in order to get the drivers into the Linux source code... This would provide long term.. stable.. and powerful support.
This should NOT replace the above... Relying on a kernel release can delay product release.. so the driver to rely on for a release should be the source code and binary drivers included on the card...
The drivers included into Linux should simply be "in addition"... This would allow improvments to be made to the drivers by other partys to improve and enhance preformence...
What I also want of IBM is probably something less of my benifit and more of IBMs benifit...
Dona rely on just Linux...
Simply put.. don't ride the wave...
Support BSD as well.... the drivers for Linux should also be provided to BSD...
Also give AtheOS a look...
If something (ghods forbid) happends to Linux.. Say Linus gose insain... or RedHat buys some larg valuable chunk of code and plays god with it (they do own Cygen. so they could conceavably screw with GCC) I'd like to have BSD as a strong alteritive.. and in many cases Linux isn't up to snuff so BSD really ends up being the only choice.. I'd like to keep that option open...
And of course as I said... I'd like maybe an open source committy.. just a group of people working on the hardware aspects.. IBM, VA, Peguin Computing, BSD (becouse they make servers), Cobalt and Rebel... could get together and work on some basic platform that everyone can agree on..
I'd like the preveous stated specs but.. you guys gotta marry the details... not I...
of course Slashdot would get some input vea VA..
Now to sell...
What dose IBM get out of the pacage if they do this?
Well with the BSD support they get BSD community and pritty much a more solidifyed commitment to the open source community.
With porting AIXes best features to Linux (and to BSD maybe?) yes AIX vanishes.. evetually BSD and Linux would suplant AIX anyway..
So this way you get early addopter status.. into the mainframe departmemt anyway...
You get credit for moving Linux from low to midrange into the high end..
You get free hacks to your software...
The downside is you get to deal with an outside OS again... You lose AIX and a revenue stream earlyer that you'd have lost it otherwise (It dies sooner or later.. and I know you'd like it to die later.. but it might be better to let it die quickly).
The hardware deal is very valuable.
Linux (and everyone else) is fighting it out on the PC.. at one time the PC had a standard setup.. as live moved on more standards were created but it still remainned standard.
But now companys won't work on a firmware standard for 3D cards.. or anything of the like...
The plug n play isn't the "Driver on rom" system TI put together (ironnicly for a Unix system) that Apple later addopted (and paid TI a fee for). In case anyone is wondering.. that system was a GUI Unix... it was one of the early failures in the GUI workstation market...
(hows that... GUI,, plug n play,... on UNIX... aimed at AI not users..)
Basicly the PC PnP system is burnned into Windows.. an ID on the card so Windows can pick out the correct Windows driver...
At one time many operating systems could live on the PC.. That hardware wasn't "Dos only".. Xenix and Minux had a fair chance...
I'd prefer a PnP "driver on rom" API standard rather than a firmware interface standard becouse firmware turns into legacy issues...
Gotta wonder about the ammount of additional cost in supporting the obsolete VGA firmware on todays 3D rendering cards. Thats a whole extra set of logic just to support legacy.. and thats only used just long enough to boot the system and get the drivers installed. What a waist... a cheaper Java like driver would save quite a bit in that area.
I like in kernel drivers becouse it just seems to me more talored. But I don't want hardware venders to rely on that. So you should have the vender driver (in card) and the Linux driver (in kernel).. The in kernel driver would be the Linux equal to Microsoft certifyed drivers.. and with incard drivers to keep Linux honnest...
Disclamer: I am a Linux Zellot...
Former IBM loathing, then Apple Bashing, Now Microsoft bashing and occasionally Sun bashing... Zellot...
(IBM loathing only becouse I got in LATE.. I got into bashing the rest BEFORE it was populare.. and it's not populare to bash Sun.. YET)
Linux users rember OS/2 and quite often I hear "Will IBM do to Linux what they did to OS/2?" Or worse "IBM DID to Linux what they did to OS/2" the second being most insidous suggesting IBM has allready done "it"
But what is left out is... what did IBM do to OS/2? I don't think anyone knows or rembers...
Basicly IBM abandoned OS/2 when OS/2 needed defence... The PS/1 came with Windows preinstalled.. that sort of thing.. backing down when Microsoft started it's worst FUD attacks.
While OS/2 was IBM.. Linux isn't..
Then there is the other hand...
Linux has been shafted MANY TIMES and I suspect they want IBM to remeber we don't trust very quickly..
We have been burnt a few times... RedHat quickly "became" Linux.. and now RedHat is the worst example of Linux.. This isn't what we want to see from IBM.
RealMedia and other software venders jerking away Unix (and Linux) software in favor of (in some cases NEW) Windows Software.. (this also happend to Mac..)
Sun.. seemingly an allie.. we assumed WRONG... and Sun turnned and bit Linux on the butt... (Sun never did say they were allied so it's arguable the actions were consistent).
IBM is contributing advances.. they are taking the talk and walking the walk...
The sad part is others before IBM turnned into real snakes..
IBM has not been the good guy and is really on probation (as it were) by the whole computer industry...
Linux advocates are a really paranoid bunch..
I should know.. I am one...
But RedHat never did get the attention IBM gets..
Yeah we turn growl and bite...
We just want to remind you of where we stand on things...
It's going to take a long time before IBM gets accepted..
Yeah but think about this... IBM made more progress than anyone else...
IBM is in higher estime than Del, Compaq, Real Networks or RedHat...
IBM is taking Linux sereous....
Thats what we want...
We want long term commitment...
becouse we won't be foolled again...
Linux itself is pritty dinky...
The distros contain not just Linux itself but every application the distro maintainers deem worthy.
The problem is the defaults... This is posably the only area RedHat got right and the only area Slackware got wrong...
RedHat defaults only install a select few software pacages.. (If I rember correctly Netscape is NOT included in the server default...)
Slackware however only has "pick your software" and "install EVERYTHING" no "Default/recomended"...
Byond that.. I think distros have far to little software. 90% of Linux software is free and not everyone using Linux is going to bother to download better software when what is included on the CD works fine.
I think GRUBS and LILO should both be included.. I think some of the updated Mosaics should be included.. I think Modzilla as well as Netscape.. Galion.. etc etc etc...
MORE software not less....
And a CD (or two) with theams...
One annoyence is people do have this habbit of installing Linux and looking on the CD (and no ferther) and not seeing what they want/need.. they assume it dosn't exist..
This isn't so simple to resolve...
It's an assumption.. a WRONG assuption... However if you are going to get Linux accepted by the masses you will have to live with thies tinny mental boofs...
So the answer? Include MORE software....
Just don't include it in the stupid default installs.. Mkay?
No forgive Slashdot.. people submit "Slime grows in fridge" 8 thousand times it eventually gets posted.. Fox News has no such problem.
First shame on the jernalist who covered this story... Slock news? Gezzz and on Fox News for going with it. Ug.
Ok somebody dreammed up yet annother calander... Is that what it takes to make headlines?
Yeah it's man bites dog but gezz... accually no it's not man bites dog.. People are allways trying to reinvent socity.. 28 hour day.. 13 month year.. New speak.. and of course those who want the garbage and mail handled at night so it'll seem like magic.. (dosn't work BTW.. garbage trucks are loud and noisy.. wake everyone up.. every now and then a garbage company TRYS this and it NEVER works.. Can't blame them it seems like a good idea on paper. The post office just won't send people out in the dark.. to many potental problems).
I didn't even know such a thing existed...
Well I do now... so wheres that racist beat?
This nonsence only appeals to people who are allready racist...
Banning mention of the desease dosn't stop the disease..
Just generates press for those who hate...
As far as banning offensive stuff gose...
Looks like the Krull finnaly found a way to shut down Napster...
"We are now banning the last 3 remainning soungs that can be downloaded by Napster becouse they are relentlessly chearful and could be offensive to the cronicly depressed"
It's a fine tradition of USENET not of E-mail...
(I am refering to CancleMoose... His activitys has helpped battle spam on Usenet for years)
At one time the RBL was just a list of known spam friendly ISPs.
It has sence become a tool to force ISPs to comply to Vixies standards.
It was a feature to costummers.. they wanted spam free e-mail. They didn't care if they lost some lagit e-mail in the process...
Thats when spam was a major problem.. when CyberPromo was on the attack...
Now costummers don't care if they get spam.. they want to get all the e-mail ment for them...
yes ISPs have every right to provide whatever services they see fit. Consummers have every right to know what "services" they are getting. ISPs as a rule keep costummers in the dark about filtering policys.
Also the RBL has changed significantly over the years.
There was a time when backbones would kick off spam friendly ISPs..
They don't do that anymore.. becouse it isn't much of a problem anymore...
In the absence of a problem to solve.. the solution itself is a problem...
>Sigh... Ill be freaking jumping joy, when linux has stablized, and you really can download 1 binary!
Stable != one binary...
In distros the Linux kernel gets broken up into the core binary and many many modules... (treated as device drivers..)...
This is good.. precompilling EVERYTHING into the linux kernel would create a HUGE kernel... eating up way to much memory.. much of it is just support for other devices (diffrent sound cards, win modems etc...) nobody needs every device precompiled into the kernel