You can use whatever you like but when I get told somethings wrong with my computer becouse I use something else I should be angry.
WinWord? Word is a populare wordprocessor.. good choice.. I chouse GeoWrite... Somehow I've become a lesser person for not chousing a Microsoft product...
As far as marketting it's quite commen to attack a compeating company. Microsoft themselfs dose exactly what you now accuse the Linux community of doing "Definning yourself by a compeaditor". They have "defined" themselfs by Apple, IBM, Novel and Digital Research. Now they define themselfs by Linux. Microsoft clames features in Windows NT that do not in fact exist in that product but not directly. Instead of saying NT has it they say Linux dosn't.. Reality.. ehh Linux dosn't.. But it's very annoying and increasingly so when this feature IS in develupment for Linux but NOT in any Microsoft product.
If you feel picked on by Linux advocates maybe your justifyed maybe your not...
If you feel picked on when someone attacks Windows.. Haha sorry zero simpathy.. Windows advocates attack everything.. Linux advocates return the sentiment...
If you feel picked on becouse Linux advocates laugh at you for using Windows... ok thats wrong.. thats just wrong.. Ohh but there IS an exeption.. If you clame to be an expert and then clame to prefer Windows becouse it's "user friendly" I'll join the laughter...
Linux is easy to use. It has a learnning curve but anyone who is put off by the learnning curve of an operating system shouldn't be in the tech field. It's like a doctor who can not stand the sight of blood.
Microsoft attacks Linux for not having this feature or that and ok Linux dosn't have the feature but this isn't done to attack Linux so much as indirectly suggest Windows NT dose. The reality however is the feature on Linux is "in develupment" on NT is non-existent. The attack is invalid.
"Microsoft the innocent victiom" act is really the latest game.. before they just called Linux advocates "Zellots" as if being supportive of Linux makes you into some sort of religous fanatic.
Yet to suggest a Windows feature is at fault for something in Windows is quite litterally blaspamy to any Windows advocate.
So wrapped up in marketting tripe are Microsoft advocates that they in fact failled repeatedly to address a truely valid point in Windows...
Those e-mail viruses.. Well guess what... they ARE NOT VIRUSES AT ALL... Microsoft advocates would rather say it can happen to Linux than state the truth.. They are trojens.
Why is this point so vital?
Over the years Unix experts have said repeatedly that Unix is IMMUNE to viruses. This fact has proven itself true over the last 30 years.
Unix however has about as make trojens as Windows has viruses. Both are problems.
A virus spreads itself by infecting programs Unix provides no access to binarys on the system from the user level so such a program wouldn't work. Classicly a virus infects key programs so it allways runs. The kernel or the command line. Both are protected on Unix.
Trojens however use human engenearing to infect a system. Clamming to be one thing when they are in fact something else.
Linux CAN in fact be cought by this.. Linux is FAR from immune to this sort of thing. A small defect or an illconsidered feature is all it takes and Linux is infected. ZAP
Microsofts real mistake was to refuse to fix the feature. Mallisa is a gimme.. could have happened to anyone.. ILoveU was the SECOND time..
Fool me once shame on you.. fool me twice shame on me...
First time is a learnning experence.. second time is just plain stupidity...
Anyway Linux advocates are NOT allways right.. They do get carryed away...
Like clamming defects in Linux are in Windows..
oh wait.. I'm sorry.. It's Windows advocates who clame Windows defects can be found in Linux..
Nobodys perfiect.. but if you don't learn.. you burn...
Ok everyone when you talk to Taco at the shows rember to tell him "Pleasant Dreams" that why when he gose to bed at the end of the day he'll hear "Pleasant Dreams" in his head..
As for who to blame about the Lack of GiS epps.. I suggest you blame Canada.
Who do you e-mail about the lack of GiS epps?
e-mail kurt "The Pope":)
And next Beannies.. new catagory... "Best Slashdot Conspericy writer":) just kidding
To install software on Dos
Insert disk into drive A: enter setup or install (depending on the pacage) and folow the menus
To install software on MacOs
I've never done it so I don't know.. I imagin it's pritty easy.. but I'm clueless:)
To install software on Windows
Insert CD.. let Windows install software. DLL files and everything...
reboot
If Windows crashes.. reinstall Windows..
Repeate
To install softrware on AT&T SysV
Insert disk.. run software installation utility (I forget.. havn't done it in years) folow menus
To install software on Solarus
Probably same as SysV
To install software on Linux
Download pacage...
go to your sources directory
normally/usr/src but when I don't want to keep the source I go to/home/felinoid/tmp
tar -zxf/directory/filename.tar.gz
example
tar -zxf/home/felinoid/Desktop/knapster.tar.gz
enter directory
cd knapster
run config
./configure
compile
make
install
su ; exit # go to super user.. I never compile as su and occasionally install by hand as well
make install ; exit # make and then exit.. usually done from an xterm window so it just closes the window.
Enjoy
Harder? You betcha...
It's source code.. it gets tweeked to your exact system during the./configure phase and so it's "Your box" enhanced... if you use a 386 then it's 386 enhanced.. if you use a Pentium it's Pentium enhanced... if you use a Pentium IV then it's Pentium IV enhanced.. if you use a HAL 9000 then it's "psycopathic computer on a rampage" enhanced.
But Thats not Unix.. thats Source... you think it's hard to install Linux source?
It's a lot harder when your doing it on Windows...
If you install binarys like everyone else.. it's a lot less optimised.... just run aptget or rpm -i
I prefer source...
Unix systems have a larg learning curve.. fact.. It's easy to use after you learn some basic commands this isn't full understanding but most users are far more intrested in just running the software they need and that dosn't require a full understanding.
ls, cd, chmod, mkdir are the commands needed to navigate the command line.. A few more are needed in order to accually install software so it's not THAT simple...
But to really make use of Unix it takes a considerable amount of understanding of how Unix works. Thats well byond a few basic commands and a bit outside what most users care about.
Windows however has an increadably SHORT learning curve. But that dosn't help. After learnning the system Windows remains difficult. Getting to the software you want to run can be a painful experence.
Install.. slip a CD in the system.. run.. click on start and find it in the menus.. what could be easyer?
But installing software runs the risk.. not of viruses.. Unix has trojens to worry about and they are just as nasty.. (Unix being virus resistent for 30 years).. But DLL.. Microsofts own trojen upgraden system.. that change the system and some times mutate it to not work correctly. DLLs can not be tested against all the posable muations and no control exist so it's pritty much pot luck when your software wants to install upgrades on it's own.
System defects (due to DLL mutations) are like trying to drive a dying car. It dosn't get you where you want to go.
It really ends up requiring an advanced understanding of whats going on (much more than any Unix expert needs) to get the system to run reliabily (It can.. but the avrage user can not be expected to make it happen)
Vs MacOs.. easy to learn.. easy to use.. No os is perfict but MacOs is easyer to learn, easyer to use and isn't so bad off...
I personally prefer Unix but I know Unix isn't the solution for everyone.
On the other hand.. MacOs and Unix have been working hand in hand quite well for a long time.. Flashbacks to Mac 512k as a terminal Sun Sparc 1 as the server... a nice system in my arrogent opinion...
Slashdot is a conspericy to make you THINK FOR YOURSELF
Accually Slashdot is a small part of the greater conspericy to make you think.
Yes even Microsoft is in on it...
Microsofts part is the Darwinist activity. By providing poor quality software and random defects as well as insain software issues (Such as DLL hell where Windows mutates at random every time you install new software or drivers) this punishes users and busnesses who blindly buy something simply becouse they are told to.
Do some research and you'll quickly realise that an operating system build on top of an older operating system based on yet annother operating system is really not a good idea and not exactly the kind of thing you want to use unless you absolutly have to.
In the IT sector if you think about it the whole idea of a GUI os (designed to interact with A SINGLE user and give that SINGLE user the majority of it's processing time in the form of a USER INTERFACE) for a SERVER (needs to deliver data to users.. UI etc are a waist of processing time)
So Microsoft is clearly the trap for unthinking ITs and end users who don't accually think about what they need and just buy the first thing they see.
Linus and RMS are also in this conspericy
RMS for providing an intelegent alternitive to expensive software. Software that works well and reliable and for designing a whole techno culture where software is free yet the author benifits with comments and improvments to the software he accually wrote for himself.
Yet.. RMS provides a SCARY presona that frightens the unthinking. Putting the free software movment in the position of repelling anyone who is easy to scare.
For Linuses part he provides an operating system that has been built based on the Standard of the Internet.. Unix.
However Linus leaves the wires exposed.. it dose not come in a shiny package. It dosn't come with buzzwords. It dosn't attract the unthinking. Only those who can see how Linux can benifit them become intrested in it.
And of course Slashdot is part of the conspericy. Slashdot posts news storys but occasionally gets it wrong.. The users are then forced to post "No no no it's like this" and readers come to realise that Slashdot is not 100% reliable that they can't trust the news and they must check things out for themselfs.
In short.. Slashdot forces people to come to the conclusion that they must think for themselfs.
BSD is also part of this..
Ohh yes.. By providing a better solution but hidding away BSD has made it so that busnesses who don't research ALL the posabilitys don't do as well as those that do. No easy answers instead BSD provides the best solution hidden in the closet so you gotta look for it. You need to realise if Linux is BASED on Unix.. there are OTHER Unix systems as well.. and Linux may NOT be the best solution.. that it's Unix that makes Linux a good solution for you.. and annother Unix may be better.
So BSD provides that busnesses who don't research the posabilitys well enough and don't "Think" about what might be out there will never find the best solutions and won't do as well as those that do.
And yes Apple too is part of the conspericy
The Mac is a very powerful platform but it takes research to discover this. The Mac platform is a better design than it's PC rival. It has more thought put into it in the area of "user friendly" this not meaning Macs aren't powerful but that they are power at the fingertips of a user who isn't very familure with computers. However being familure with computers dosn't mean the Mac isn't going to be as useful as more complex operating systems. That is unless the more complex os was accually designed to do something MacOs was not. But that gose both ways as the Mac can do quite a bit.
But someone shopping for a new computer is required to ask questions and of corse realise when they are being sold a load of BS. Not so much by knowing computers but by how eager the salesmen is to sell you the system he wants you do buy and how easlly he dismisses anything else.
In short the user must not only think but he must "think diffrently" consider the alternitives and when he is barred from them take your questions to someone who will answer them.
So basicly the conspericy to get people to think for themselfs by punishing users for not shopping around for the best deal in computers like they might for cars or food or well anything that isn't computer related....
Even Kurt "The Pope" is part of this conspericy..
It dosn't take much to realise "www.thepope.org" is not the home page for the head of the Cathic church and a religous organisation that larg isn't going to absolve sins vea a web forum or take credit card payment for sins..
(On the other hand I recomend if you have commited the sin of not thinking you should seek absolution from Kurt... and not that other guy)
and even I am part of that conspericy for you see this isn't just a joke... it's a rant.. and to seperate the two you need to think....
The Kurll have compleated a 50 year study on mankind and have deterimined the whole speices to be inferreor to the Silicoid life that is the Krull.
On a similer note the beings from dimention X have filed a 200 year study on this entire dimention and have recomended that the board of dimentional control managment capsize the entire dimentional layer.
I have been recently informmed that the council was considering that study to be a fraud but have seen your post and changed there minds...
The termination shall start December 26 this year.. it will be instentaneous.. I can't give an exact time as everyone lives in a diffrent time zone and converting galmaktic time charts to GMT is a moster pain in the bio waist port
I've been at it for 5 years now [lie]
My team of programmers can be found on FidoNet (Hay guys back me up here..)
Oh wait... No My team of programmers can be found on FidoNet.. that BBS right there.. and that one over there.. and those three... oh my they went away over the last few years.. gee I've not paid attention.. I'm sorry my whole programming team is unaccessable...
That dosn't save me from an expert examination... that would reveal my code was in fact stolen from Microsoft... wops...
Microsofts people would recognise it by "feel".. all the querks in place.. that sort of thing... the stuff the avrage user might miss... and wouldn't be needed for a clone.
It would be nice if the did outright violate the liccens.. then if Microsoft did sue.. Oracle would win and BOTH liccens would be voided..
It's an obveous bash to say "Do you really want to use a product that has this in the liccens?"
but it's far to commen practace...
The suck part isn't Microsoft.. Microsoft evil evil HISSS.. but that.. for the first time... everyone really dose do it...
Microsoft wouldn't be the only ones hurt by this..
In fact I doupt Microsoft with be injured much at all if this were considered illegal..
>It is interesting to note that the EULA for >Windows says nothing of the sort.
>If MS really is the great satan, AND they
>have a durable monopoly, why don't they?
Key word here is durable..
Microsoft is a monopoly.. Most Linux advocates will say it is NOT durable...
But a fradual monopoly is still a monopoly..
"The Great Satan" suggests no other company is treated like Microsoft...
RedHat, AoL, Sun, Oracle, Commodore (before it died), Atari, Apple, Corel, IBM and on and on and on...
You only hear more about Microsoft as so many people aren't allowed to use anything else...
For me it's just an annoyence than my tax dollers go to buy shotty software when it allready has BSD and Linux available for free. (this annoyence extends to HP-UX BTW and isn't issolated to Microsoft)
>Yes and of course Oracle will evaluate MS SQL very fairly
Hay if we are to believe companys with a vested intrest in Microsoft (such as editors of Windows mags) evaluate Linux fairly why not..
Being more sereous... No we shouldn't believe they would..
But should we also belive that Microsoft would give permition to an unbies review?
Sure why not... yeah and Oracle can be trusted to do an unbies review...
Hmm if Slashdot folowed Microsofts idea...
New Slashdot AUP.. You can't post anything inflamitory about Slashdot w/o the permition of Slashdot Staff...
Fair? No... But identical to saying you can't publish benchmarks with out Microsofts permition...
Yes Larry is weasel.. as proof.. he has the same requirement.
You should be able to publish benchmarks of products and you shouldn't need permition to do so.
You are free to buy the product you just aren't free to say it sucks if it sucks...
I'm kidding BTW..
But think of how much FUD we can eliminate if we simply add to the GPL that you can't say anything bad about Linux before getting a Slashdot review...
This is stupid... You should be able to benchmark and publish the results...
I work nights so I woke up to the radio news about this and an expert saying "If this can happen to Microsoft it can happen to anyone"
I step back and think.. isn't this sort of the way Microsoft responds to everything?
If it's a problem on Linux or Unix its unique to Unix or Linux.
But if it's a problem on Windows it can happen to anyone.
E-mail viruses.. ANYONE can have e-mail viruses (Note in the 1980s Unix experts were saying Unix was immune to viruses.. This is far from a unique clame.. Mac users made the mistake of razzing Dos for viruses... forgetting that everything that made dos viruses posable was present in MacOs.. however absent from anything else)
Back doors are supposidly unqiue to open source yet back doors usually happen as a result of an employee not the result of an unknown coder submitting code.
Anyway... look for the spin.. any time Bill Gates gets hit with a pie in the face we are told we are all hit with a pie in the face..
When Linus locks his keys in his car it's unqiue to Linus...
Side Note: Anyone notice Bill Gates didn't throw a fit but USA, California, SanFransisco Mayor Willy Brown did...
On the other had we do have a point to make...
If Microsoft can't secure it's own network should you trust them with yours?
A reasonable question for a techno newbie..
E for electronic.. the mail isn't confined to the Internet you can mail into Fidonet and Usenet from the Internet. You may not even notice the mail address leads to a point outside the Internet.
It isn't that hard to set up and run a gateway. People can now pick up mail on pagers and cell phones.. this isn't Imail but pager mail.. there is a gateway someplace to make this work. But it's all transparent to both sides.
So becouse mail can enter and leave the Internet painlessly it's not Internet mail.. just electronic.. generated on A network.. Your on the net... the other guy can be on Fido...
E-mail.. or email.. Electronic mail... Internet Mail.. It's just mail to me...
I've been receaving e-mail sence the 1980s. Back on BBSes.
I ran my own from 1983 to 1987. and annother from 1989 to 1992.
FidoMail, Usenet Mail, BBS Mail, Unix Mail, Internet Mail, It's all just mail to me..
That stuff I get in the post box is "junk" and "Bills"... Anyone know how to proc filter it?
Being realistic all media makes huge blunders.
What ends up happening is some reporter files a report with his bieses laced in. They aren't cought and the story gets reported.
Small newspaper someplace nobody really notices.. tucked back on page 5.
Annother reporter sees it and gathers more data. But the original bies remains intact. The inital mistakes aren't allways checked. Deadline deadline hurry hurry gotta get it out before someone else dose.
Now it's bigger.. and even more slanted.
Now CNN picks it up.. the slant gets even worse.. deadlines etc.. no time to backcheck facts.. report the story "as is" and move on to the next big story... It's a big world...
Now it's on CNNs webpage
Slashdot picks it up.. in all it's glory.. Slashdot has vertually zero resorces to fact check. Just link back to CNN and give a summery and maybe a rant.
Then the Slashdot readers kick in...
"Thats BS.." "No no wrong..." "Are you nuts?" "Totally bies" "Slashdot is tabloid trash"
I get really annoyed when I see TV and print news report things with horrificly messed up slant.
Not everyone will catch the mistake.. far to many don't know enough to recognise it..
They are doing the best they can but it still bothers me a great deal that this is "the best".
There is no real room for corrections.
There is no dialog..
Retractions are a day late...
And for many the news is gospel... challanging it is blasphamy... "It was on the news"
But with Slashdot when even a minnor you can talk about it.
Or maybe there is more to it than is reported..
The dialog helps improve Slashdot...
Slashdot itself needs it's own reporting staff so it dosn't need to rely on other news sources for it's news storys.. So that it's own staff can go out and check up on storys. So the Slashdot staff itself can add to the dialog.
It seems like right now Slashdots own staff is just linking to existing news and the real value of Slashdot is our replys.
The basic idea of SDMI seems to be adding noise (that you don't hear) neat idea.
Audio compression removes anything you don't hear (an easy way to shrink the file.. you'll never miss it) so just rescan the file and the watermark (unheard noise) is gone..
(To rescan.. convert to annother format and back.. mpeg to wav to mpeg would be ideal.. my CD ripper delivers wav files so I'd have to convert to mpg anyway... one pass... thats assuming the CD ripper itself dosn't remove the noise and it probably would)
Annoter set of apps removes noise.. I've used it (Radio mic so I get some noise.. I have to remove it when I submit GiS:GC files... unless I want that "Transmitted from space" sound) Again zapped watermark...
And rember people when they cry the SDMI wasn't cracked... We boycotted the challange.. Very few (if anyone) bothered...
Something I note is that a lot of the AntiAmiga flames are a lot like the antiLinux flames.
[Amiga/Unix] is [Dead/Obsolete] move on and use a modern system.. (Imply x86/Win9x system)
[Insert personal insult of people who support platform]
This isn't news for nerds...
Same basic attack diffrent platform..
Same attackers? Maybe?
> Now, how do you feel when windows people tell you "linux is not ready for primetime, it's not a desktop OS, it suck, it cannot play 90% of the games out there, it's too hard to configure, it's not user-friendly, bla bla bla"?
I tend to think "Describbing Windows NT"
Desktop Os BTW is 1980s style system... Home 1970s.. Workstation is current...
The Amiga was cutting edge in it's day. It's curren for today..
I think it's great to have the Amiga return to the market.
If the spirit of it's design remains intact that would truely kick butt...
But as long as there IS an Amiga based system.. it's no biggy how much of it is classic Amiga.
(Rembering the Amiga 500 and 600) I doupt Amiga could achive the price range it did back in the 1980s.. a $500 Amiga would really kick butt...
>You may not use Windows 2000. I use it all the time. I like it. I like Linux as well, but Linux has a LONG way to go before it even touches the usability in the GUI department for me.
GUIs aren't very useful at all.
There isn't much point in doing something in a GUI when the command line dose it better.
Microsoft has given itself a bad image. Selling Windows NT, CE and 9X under the same product name "Windows". Selling NT as a server when it's better off as a home os.. Selling 9x as a current Os when it's just Dos redone. Doing CE at all..
Insulting media by answering questions it dosn't like with "You don't understand Windows". This of course begs the question "If technology experts don't understand Windows how 'User friendly' can it posably be?"
Win 2K may be a great product but Microsoft has a horrific reputation and you don't want to do busness with someone who's got a track record like Microsofts
Addmittedly this is in the hands of the IT department and of the IT manager is all pro-Microsoft there isn't much you can say or do.
But for many it IS posable to turn this around on a grand scale.
Basicly talk the IT into certifying a Linux setup.. maybe a inner office build using Linux From Scratch (optomised to the standard hardware used in the office).
Talk em into a "clean sweep" of the office.. Not just one machine but the whole department.
This will more than cover for the few ITs who say "NO" and refuse to install anything but an approved NT system.
Don't look at all thies situations as a roadblock to getting Linux implemented. It may be a bit of durty pool to get whole departments to drop NT but then this IS how Microsoft plays it and it's not wrong if an intelegent IT dose it for the benifit of the busness. You simply need to sell him on some key points.
(Do some net research I don't really feel to good right now and really can not provide a good rundown of keypoints for selling Linux at this point in time)
Once you have whole IT departments changing over to Linux you pritty much kill all the MsFUD.
I think this may be the short road to getting Linux compleatly into the mainstream.
From there it's a short road to premoting BSD and Solarus as well.. "Linux is just one of many *nix solutions"...
My mind pictures someone being fired for installing a Solarus box on a network run on an unstable offbrand Unix.
(I'm thinking of some of the 1980s Unix titles that were available for dirt cheap and cracker friendly.. not any current title.. hay they may comeback if the market looks good and people start up the mem "Unix = reliable" allways some jerk willing to throw out a lemmon to scam mindless drones)
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You can use whatever you like but when I get told somethings wrong with my computer becouse I use something else I should be angry.
WinWord? Word is a populare wordprocessor.. good choice.. I chouse GeoWrite... Somehow I've become a lesser person for not chousing a Microsoft product...
As far as marketting it's quite commen to attack a compeating company. Microsoft themselfs dose exactly what you now accuse the Linux community of doing "Definning yourself by a compeaditor". They have "defined" themselfs by Apple, IBM, Novel and Digital Research. Now they define themselfs by Linux. Microsoft clames features in Windows NT that do not in fact exist in that product but not directly. Instead of saying NT has it they say Linux dosn't.. Reality.. ehh Linux dosn't.. But it's very annoying and increasingly so when this feature IS in develupment for Linux but NOT in any Microsoft product.
If you feel picked on by Linux advocates maybe your justifyed maybe your not...
If you feel picked on when someone attacks Windows.. Haha sorry zero simpathy.. Windows advocates attack everything.. Linux advocates return the sentiment...
If you feel picked on becouse Linux advocates laugh at you for using Windows... ok thats wrong.. thats just wrong.. Ohh but there IS an exeption.. If you clame to be an expert and then clame to prefer Windows becouse it's "user friendly" I'll join the laughter...
Linux is easy to use. It has a learnning curve but anyone who is put off by the learnning curve of an operating system shouldn't be in the tech field. It's like a doctor who can not stand the sight of blood.
Microsoft attacks Linux for not having this feature or that and ok Linux dosn't have the feature but this isn't done to attack Linux so much as indirectly suggest Windows NT dose. The reality however is the feature on Linux is "in develupment" on NT is non-existent. The attack is invalid.
"Microsoft the innocent victiom" act is really the latest game.. before they just called Linux advocates "Zellots" as if being supportive of Linux makes you into some sort of religous fanatic.
Yet to suggest a Windows feature is at fault for something in Windows is quite litterally blaspamy to any Windows advocate.
So wrapped up in marketting tripe are Microsoft advocates that they in fact failled repeatedly to address a truely valid point in Windows...
Those e-mail viruses.. Well guess what... they ARE NOT VIRUSES AT ALL... Microsoft advocates would rather say it can happen to Linux than state the truth.. They are trojens.
Why is this point so vital?
Over the years Unix experts have said repeatedly that Unix is IMMUNE to viruses. This fact has proven itself true over the last 30 years.
Unix however has about as make trojens as Windows has viruses. Both are problems.
A virus spreads itself by infecting programs Unix provides no access to binarys on the system from the user level so such a program wouldn't work. Classicly a virus infects key programs so it allways runs. The kernel or the command line. Both are protected on Unix.
Trojens however use human engenearing to infect a system. Clamming to be one thing when they are in fact something else.
Linux CAN in fact be cought by this.. Linux is FAR from immune to this sort of thing. A small defect or an illconsidered feature is all it takes and Linux is infected. ZAP
Microsofts real mistake was to refuse to fix the feature. Mallisa is a gimme.. could have happened to anyone.. ILoveU was the SECOND time..
Fool me once shame on you.. fool me twice shame on me...
First time is a learnning experence.. second time is just plain stupidity...
Anyway Linux advocates are NOT allways right.. They do get carryed away...
Like clamming defects in Linux are in Windows..
oh wait.. I'm sorry.. It's Windows advocates who clame Windows defects can be found in Linux..
Nobodys perfiect.. but if you don't learn.. you burn...
Ok everyone when you talk to Taco at the shows rember to tell him "Pleasant Dreams" that why when he gose to bed at the end of the day he'll hear "Pleasant Dreams" in his head..
:)
:) just kidding
As for who to blame about the Lack of GiS epps.. I suggest you blame Canada.
Who do you e-mail about the lack of GiS epps?
e-mail kurt "The Pope"
And next Beannies.. new catagory... "Best Slashdot Conspericy writer"
Nice try...
Next shows "conspericy" rant will be about Slashdot trolls...
(No not really... not worth mention.. I have better matereal to draw from..)
>You're blind if you think that Mary Jane Mathteacher can do Linux. The fact is: Linux is NOT user friendly.
The avrage person can't use Windows eather..
All they want is to run the software they need.. The rest they couldn't care less about.
To install software on Dos
:)
/usr/src but when I don't want to keep the source I go to /home/felinoid/tmp
/directory/filename.tar.gz
/home/felinoid/Desktop/knapster.tar.gz
./configure phase and so it's "Your box" enhanced... if you use a 386 then it's 386 enhanced.. if you use a Pentium it's Pentium enhanced... if you use a Pentium IV then it's Pentium IV enhanced.. if you use a HAL 9000 then it's "psycopathic computer on a rampage" enhanced.
Insert disk into drive A: enter setup or install (depending on the pacage) and folow the menus
To install software on MacOs
I've never done it so I don't know.. I imagin it's pritty easy.. but I'm clueless
To install software on Windows
Insert CD.. let Windows install software. DLL files and everything...
reboot
If Windows crashes.. reinstall Windows..
Repeate
To install softrware on AT&T SysV
Insert disk.. run software installation utility (I forget.. havn't done it in years) folow menus
To install software on Solarus
Probably same as SysV
To install software on Linux
Download pacage...
go to your sources directory
normally
tar -zxf
example
tar -zxf
enter directory
cd knapster
run config
./configure
compile
make
install
su ; exit # go to super user.. I never compile as su and occasionally install by hand as well
make install ; exit # make and then exit.. usually done from an xterm window so it just closes the window.
Enjoy
Harder? You betcha...
It's source code.. it gets tweeked to your exact system during the
But Thats not Unix.. thats Source... you think it's hard to install Linux source?
It's a lot harder when your doing it on Windows...
If you install binarys like everyone else.. it's a lot less optimised.... just run aptget or rpm -i
I prefer source...
Unix systems have a larg learning curve.. fact.. It's easy to use after you learn some basic commands this isn't full understanding but most users are far more intrested in just running the software they need and that dosn't require a full understanding.
ls, cd, chmod, mkdir are the commands needed to navigate the command line.. A few more are needed in order to accually install software so it's not THAT simple...
But to really make use of Unix it takes a considerable amount of understanding of how Unix works. Thats well byond a few basic commands and a bit outside what most users care about.
Windows however has an increadably SHORT learning curve. But that dosn't help. After learnning the system Windows remains difficult. Getting to the software you want to run can be a painful experence.
Install.. slip a CD in the system.. run.. click on start and find it in the menus.. what could be easyer?
But installing software runs the risk.. not of viruses.. Unix has trojens to worry about and they are just as nasty.. (Unix being virus resistent for 30 years).. But DLL.. Microsofts own trojen upgraden system.. that change the system and some times mutate it to not work correctly. DLLs can not be tested against all the posable muations and no control exist so it's pritty much pot luck when your software wants to install upgrades on it's own.
System defects (due to DLL mutations) are like trying to drive a dying car. It dosn't get you where you want to go.
It really ends up requiring an advanced understanding of whats going on (much more than any Unix expert needs) to get the system to run reliabily (It can.. but the avrage user can not be expected to make it happen)
Vs MacOs.. easy to learn.. easy to use.. No os is perfict but MacOs is easyer to learn, easyer to use and isn't so bad off...
I personally prefer Unix but I know Unix isn't the solution for everyone.
On the other hand.. MacOs and Unix have been working hand in hand quite well for a long time.. Flashbacks to Mac 512k as a terminal Sun Sparc 1 as the server... a nice system in my arrogent opinion...
Ok now for the conspericy
Slashdot is a conspericy to make you THINK FOR YOURSELF
Accually Slashdot is a small part of the greater conspericy to make you think.
Yes even Microsoft is in on it...
Microsofts part is the Darwinist activity. By providing poor quality software and random defects as well as insain software issues (Such as DLL hell where Windows mutates at random every time you install new software or drivers) this punishes users and busnesses who blindly buy something simply becouse they are told to.
Do some research and you'll quickly realise that an operating system build on top of an older operating system based on yet annother operating system is really not a good idea and not exactly the kind of thing you want to use unless you absolutly have to.
In the IT sector if you think about it the whole idea of a GUI os (designed to interact with A SINGLE user and give that SINGLE user the majority of it's processing time in the form of a USER INTERFACE) for a SERVER (needs to deliver data to users.. UI etc are a waist of processing time)
So Microsoft is clearly the trap for unthinking ITs and end users who don't accually think about what they need and just buy the first thing they see.
Linus and RMS are also in this conspericy
RMS for providing an intelegent alternitive to expensive software. Software that works well and reliable and for designing a whole techno culture where software is free yet the author benifits with comments and improvments to the software he accually wrote for himself.
Yet.. RMS provides a SCARY presona that frightens the unthinking. Putting the free software movment in the position of repelling anyone who is easy to scare.
For Linuses part he provides an operating system that has been built based on the Standard of the Internet.. Unix.
However Linus leaves the wires exposed.. it dose not come in a shiny package. It dosn't come with buzzwords. It dosn't attract the unthinking. Only those who can see how Linux can benifit them become intrested in it.
And of course Slashdot is part of the conspericy. Slashdot posts news storys but occasionally gets it wrong.. The users are then forced to post "No no no it's like this" and readers come to realise that Slashdot is not 100% reliable that they can't trust the news and they must check things out for themselfs.
In short.. Slashdot forces people to come to the conclusion that they must think for themselfs.
BSD is also part of this..
Ohh yes.. By providing a better solution but hidding away BSD has made it so that busnesses who don't research ALL the posabilitys don't do as well as those that do. No easy answers instead BSD provides the best solution hidden in the closet so you gotta look for it. You need to realise if Linux is BASED on Unix.. there are OTHER Unix systems as well.. and Linux may NOT be the best solution.. that it's Unix that makes Linux a good solution for you.. and annother Unix may be better.
So BSD provides that busnesses who don't research the posabilitys well enough and don't "Think" about what might be out there will never find the best solutions and won't do as well as those that do.
And yes Apple too is part of the conspericy
The Mac is a very powerful platform but it takes research to discover this. The Mac platform is a better design than it's PC rival. It has more thought put into it in the area of "user friendly" this not meaning Macs aren't powerful but that they are power at the fingertips of a user who isn't very familure with computers. However being familure with computers dosn't mean the Mac isn't going to be as useful as more complex operating systems. That is unless the more complex os was accually designed to do something MacOs was not. But that gose both ways as the Mac can do quite a bit.
But someone shopping for a new computer is required to ask questions and of corse realise when they are being sold a load of BS. Not so much by knowing computers but by how eager the salesmen is to sell you the system he wants you do buy and how easlly he dismisses anything else.
In short the user must not only think but he must "think diffrently" consider the alternitives and when he is barred from them take your questions to someone who will answer them.
So basicly the conspericy to get people to think for themselfs by punishing users for not shopping around for the best deal in computers like they might for cars or food or well anything that isn't computer related....
Even Kurt "The Pope" is part of this conspericy..
It dosn't take much to realise "www.thepope.org" is not the home page for the head of the Cathic church and a religous organisation that larg isn't going to absolve sins vea a web forum or take credit card payment for sins..
(On the other hand I recomend if you have commited the sin of not thinking you should seek absolution from Kurt... and not that other guy)
and even I am part of that conspericy for you see this isn't just a joke... it's a rant.. and to seperate the two you need to think....
The Kurll have compleated a 50 year study on mankind and have deterimined the whole speices to be inferreor to the Silicoid life that is the Krull.
On a similer note the beings from dimention X have filed a 200 year study on this entire dimention and have recomended that the board of dimentional control managment capsize the entire dimentional layer.
I have been recently informmed that the council was considering that study to be a fraud but have seen your post and changed there minds...
The termination shall start December 26 this year.. it will be instentaneous.. I can't give an exact time as everyone lives in a diffrent time zone and converting galmaktic time charts to GMT is a moster pain in the bio waist port
I've been at it for 5 years now [lie]
My team of programmers can be found on FidoNet (Hay guys back me up here..)
Oh wait... No My team of programmers can be found on FidoNet.. that BBS right there.. and that one over there.. and those three... oh my they went away over the last few years.. gee I've not paid attention.. I'm sorry my whole programming team is unaccessable...
That dosn't save me from an expert examination... that would reveal my code was in fact stolen from Microsoft... wops...
Microsofts people would recognise it by "feel".. all the querks in place.. that sort of thing... the stuff the avrage user might miss... and wouldn't be needed for a clone.
It would be nice if the did outright violate the liccens.. then if Microsoft did sue.. Oracle would win and BOTH liccens would be voided..
It's an obveous bash to say "Do you really want to use a product that has this in the liccens?"
but it's far to commen practace...
The suck part isn't Microsoft.. Microsoft evil evil HISSS.. but that.. for the first time... everyone really dose do it...
Microsoft wouldn't be the only ones hurt by this..
In fact I doupt Microsoft with be injured much at all if this were considered illegal..
>It is interesting to note that the EULA for >Windows says nothing of the sort.
>If MS really is the great satan, AND they
>have a durable monopoly, why don't they?
Key word here is durable..
Microsoft is a monopoly.. Most Linux advocates will say it is NOT durable...
But a fradual monopoly is still a monopoly..
"The Great Satan" suggests no other company is treated like Microsoft...
RedHat, AoL, Sun, Oracle, Commodore (before it died), Atari, Apple, Corel, IBM and on and on and on...
You only hear more about Microsoft as so many people aren't allowed to use anything else...
For me it's just an annoyence than my tax dollers go to buy shotty software when it allready has BSD and Linux available for free. (this annoyence extends to HP-UX BTW and isn't issolated to Microsoft)
>Yes and of course Oracle will evaluate MS SQL very fairly
Hay if we are to believe companys with a vested intrest in Microsoft (such as editors of Windows mags) evaluate Linux fairly why not..
Being more sereous... No we shouldn't believe they would..
But should we also belive that Microsoft would give permition to an unbies review?
Sure why not... yeah and Oracle can be trusted to do an unbies review...
Hmm if Slashdot folowed Microsofts idea...
New Slashdot AUP.. You can't post anything inflamitory about Slashdot w/o the permition of Slashdot Staff...
Fair? No... But identical to saying you can't publish benchmarks with out Microsofts permition...
Yes Larry is weasel.. as proof.. he has the same requirement.
You should be able to publish benchmarks of products and you shouldn't need permition to do so.
You are free to buy the product you just aren't free to say it sucks if it sucks...
I'm kidding BTW..
But think of how much FUD we can eliminate if we simply add to the GPL that you can't say anything bad about Linux before getting a Slashdot review...
This is stupid... You should be able to benchmark and publish the results...
I work nights so I woke up to the radio news about this and an expert saying "If this can happen to Microsoft it can happen to anyone"
I step back and think.. isn't this sort of the way Microsoft responds to everything?
If it's a problem on Linux or Unix its unique to Unix or Linux.
But if it's a problem on Windows it can happen to anyone.
E-mail viruses.. ANYONE can have e-mail viruses (Note in the 1980s Unix experts were saying Unix was immune to viruses.. This is far from a unique clame.. Mac users made the mistake of razzing Dos for viruses... forgetting that everything that made dos viruses posable was present in MacOs.. however absent from anything else)
Back doors are supposidly unqiue to open source yet back doors usually happen as a result of an employee not the result of an unknown coder submitting code.
Anyway... look for the spin.. any time Bill Gates gets hit with a pie in the face we are told we are all hit with a pie in the face..
When Linus locks his keys in his car it's unqiue to Linus...
Side Note: Anyone notice Bill Gates didn't throw a fit but USA, California, SanFransisco Mayor Willy Brown did...
On the other had we do have a point to make...
If Microsoft can't secure it's own network should you trust them with yours?
A reasonable question for a techno newbie..
E for electronic.. the mail isn't confined to the Internet you can mail into Fidonet and Usenet from the Internet. You may not even notice the mail address leads to a point outside the Internet.
It isn't that hard to set up and run a gateway. People can now pick up mail on pagers and cell phones.. this isn't Imail but pager mail.. there is a gateway someplace to make this work. But it's all transparent to both sides.
So becouse mail can enter and leave the Internet painlessly it's not Internet mail.. just electronic.. generated on A network.. Your on the net... the other guy can be on Fido...
E-mail.. or email.. Electronic mail... Internet Mail.. It's just mail to me...
I've been receaving e-mail sence the 1980s. Back on BBSes.
I ran my own from 1983 to 1987. and annother from 1989 to 1992.
FidoMail, Usenet Mail, BBS Mail, Unix Mail, Internet Mail, It's all just mail to me..
That stuff I get in the post box is "junk" and "Bills"... Anyone know how to proc filter it?
Being realistic all media makes huge blunders.
What ends up happening is some reporter files a report with his bieses laced in. They aren't cought and the story gets reported.
Small newspaper someplace nobody really notices.. tucked back on page 5.
Annother reporter sees it and gathers more data. But the original bies remains intact. The inital mistakes aren't allways checked. Deadline deadline hurry hurry gotta get it out before someone else dose.
Now it's bigger.. and even more slanted.
Now CNN picks it up.. the slant gets even worse.. deadlines etc.. no time to backcheck facts.. report the story "as is" and move on to the next big story... It's a big world...
Now it's on CNNs webpage
Slashdot picks it up.. in all it's glory.. Slashdot has vertually zero resorces to fact check. Just link back to CNN and give a summery and maybe a rant.
Then the Slashdot readers kick in...
"Thats BS.." "No no wrong..." "Are you nuts?" "Totally bies" "Slashdot is tabloid trash"
I get really annoyed when I see TV and print news report things with horrificly messed up slant.
Not everyone will catch the mistake.. far to many don't know enough to recognise it..
They are doing the best they can but it still bothers me a great deal that this is "the best".
There is no real room for corrections.
There is no dialog..
Retractions are a day late...
And for many the news is gospel... challanging it is blasphamy... "It was on the news"
But with Slashdot when even a minnor you can talk about it.
Or maybe there is more to it than is reported..
The dialog helps improve Slashdot...
Slashdot itself needs it's own reporting staff so it dosn't need to rely on other news sources for it's news storys.. So that it's own staff can go out and check up on storys. So the Slashdot staff itself can add to the dialog.
It seems like right now Slashdots own staff is just linking to existing news and the real value of Slashdot is our replys.
The basic idea of SDMI seems to be adding noise (that you don't hear) neat idea.
Audio compression removes anything you don't hear (an easy way to shrink the file.. you'll never miss it) so just rescan the file and the watermark (unheard noise) is gone..
(To rescan.. convert to annother format and back.. mpeg to wav to mpeg would be ideal.. my CD ripper delivers wav files so I'd have to convert to mpg anyway... one pass... thats assuming the CD ripper itself dosn't remove the noise and it probably would)
Annoter set of apps removes noise.. I've used it (Radio mic so I get some noise.. I have to remove it when I submit GiS:GC files... unless I want that "Transmitted from space" sound) Again zapped watermark...
And rember people when they cry the SDMI wasn't cracked... We boycotted the challange.. Very few (if anyone) bothered...
Something I note is that a lot of the AntiAmiga flames are a lot like the antiLinux flames.
[Amiga/Unix] is [Dead/Obsolete] move on and use a modern system.. (Imply x86/Win9x system)
[Insert personal insult of people who support platform]
This isn't news for nerds...
Same basic attack diffrent platform..
Same attackers? Maybe?
Ohh do I detect fear?
Dosn't this just smell of the same matereal delt out to by Microsoft advocates[1] when refering to Linux.
[1] as in Paid advocates... Some of thies people just don't smell real...
Real advocates defend more than attack. Microsoft advcoates attack more than defend.
They just don't seem real.. more like trainned political mud slingers than technology fanatics.
In any case it seems Amiga is a focuse of attack.. Do they fear Amiga?
Thats a good sign....
> Now, how do you feel when windows people tell you "linux is not ready for primetime, it's not a desktop OS, it suck, it cannot play 90% of the games out there, it's too hard to configure, it's not user-friendly, bla bla bla"?
I tend to think "Describbing Windows NT"
Desktop Os BTW is 1980s style system... Home 1970s.. Workstation is current...
The Amiga was cutting edge in it's day. It's curren for today..
I think it's great to have the Amiga return to the market.
If the spirit of it's design remains intact that would truely kick butt...
But as long as there IS an Amiga based system.. it's no biggy how much of it is classic Amiga.
(Rembering the Amiga 500 and 600) I doupt Amiga could achive the price range it did back in the 1980s.. a $500 Amiga would really kick butt...
>You may not use Windows 2000. I use it all the time. I like it. I like Linux as well, but Linux has a LONG way to go before it even touches the usability in the GUI department for me.
GUIs aren't very useful at all.
There isn't much point in doing something in a GUI when the command line dose it better.
Microsoft has given itself a bad image. Selling Windows NT, CE and 9X under the same product name "Windows". Selling NT as a server when it's better off as a home os.. Selling 9x as a current Os when it's just Dos redone. Doing CE at all..
Insulting media by answering questions it dosn't like with "You don't understand Windows". This of course begs the question "If technology experts don't understand Windows how 'User friendly' can it posably be?"
Win 2K may be a great product but Microsoft has a horrific reputation and you don't want to do busness with someone who's got a track record like Microsofts
Addmittedly this is in the hands of the IT department and of the IT manager is all pro-Microsoft there isn't much you can say or do.
But for many it IS posable to turn this around on a grand scale.
Basicly talk the IT into certifying a Linux setup.. maybe a inner office build using Linux From Scratch (optomised to the standard hardware used in the office).
Talk em into a "clean sweep" of the office.. Not just one machine but the whole department.
This will more than cover for the few ITs who say "NO" and refuse to install anything but an approved NT system.
Don't look at all thies situations as a roadblock to getting Linux implemented. It may be a bit of durty pool to get whole departments to drop NT but then this IS how Microsoft plays it and it's not wrong if an intelegent IT dose it for the benifit of the busness. You simply need to sell him on some key points.
(Do some net research I don't really feel to good right now and really can not provide a good rundown of keypoints for selling Linux at this point in time)
Once you have whole IT departments changing over to Linux you pritty much kill all the MsFUD.
I think this may be the short road to getting Linux compleatly into the mainstream.
From there it's a short road to premoting BSD and Solarus as well.. "Linux is just one of many *nix solutions"...
My mind pictures someone being fired for installing a Solarus box on a network run on an unstable offbrand Unix.
(I'm thinking of some of the 1980s Unix titles that were available for dirt cheap and cracker friendly.. not any current title.. hay they may comeback if the market looks good and people start up the mem "Unix = reliable" allways some jerk willing to throw out a lemmon to scam mindless drones)