BSD dosn't do everything...
Nither dose Linux...
FreeBSD for a stable secure webcam? workstation? no?
yes FreeBSD can do thies things but not as well as Linux... great so BSD dose what YOU want... it dosn't do what ->"I"<- want and before even the must dullest of dullards will install anything it must pass that simple test...
BSD is cute too... but if it dosn't do the job.. cute isn't my box...
it's just how all software has been shipped for the last 15 plus years... I don't like it but even windows shipps in a huge box...
however at least it's cardboard...
my old commodore 64 software is pacaged in larg plastic boxes... the boxes are fine the software is probably dead... but the boxes are indistructable..
my old geos 64 box is a tad smaller than my redhat box but my norten utilitys box is a tad bigger... it's all the same anyway...
there was an artical about this a tad over 10 years ago about how basicly software trys to be more visable and companys achive this by making big boxes so the constummer can see it better on the shelf...
big larg Linux 6.9 box with a king sized tux on the front... and a slim little windows fu box to the side... people tend to but the larger box...
the box size isn't a machine reality btw... you can ship 100 flopy disks or one dvd... and having shipped 100 disks they can be stuffed in a small box (i've done it) having a single dvd you can stuff it into a huge massive box with a weight in the box to give it mass...
Disk 1: Install disk... this is the eqivlent of Windows + MsOffice it contains everything you need to run a Linux desktop/server including all the apps...
Windows NT only comes as server or workstation never both... 9x dosn't offer a server setup...
Disk 2: Source code... Microsoft dosn't offer this.. thus no Disk 2
As RedHats single install cd covers 2 microsoft cds...
it might be posable for microsoft to put ms office on the windows install cd... but as they are not one product (and we want to keep it that way) they are shipped on two diffrent cds...
linux still fits on a floppy... this is just the os with some rescue tools... the cd contains a vast amount of software tools... apps etc etc etc on top of the basic operating system...
that is all on the first cd
I know you didn't want to start a thread (said as much) but you really really really gotta watch what you say...
"there's nothing like it for Linux"
Should have said "I THINK" or "I BELIEVE"
Linux has 30 years of e-mail clients I doupt anyone has used them all...
Linux is nothing like Windows anyway... so this is generally true of all Linux and Windows software.. nothing like it on the other platform...
From the artical I'm getting the idea that this isn't an issue with your one year old e-mail client but a far more recent update..
And it dose appear to be an issue...
The problem as (As I gathered from other posts) is this new default is being treated as text.. embrace and extend... to be more accurate...
The binary is text formating... if the reader dosn't support the formating he SHOULD be able to read the text.
However.. any well formated document falls appart once you strip the formating...
So normal e-mail clients (Such as the 30 years of Unix clients) get garbage...
In the end even when the text is unreadable the receaver will ALLWAYS be left with the impression that some part of the e-mail was missing and is sitting in that binary file....
And the reader will never get exactly what the sender thinks he will be getting
In the mean time what I see isn't what the sender THINKS I see.
Keep in mind the key here is the user isn't aware of what is happening. They think they are still sending text...
and the avrage user dosn't really know what text is other than the standard e-mail data format.
The user assumes the e-mail he is sending will be receaced exactly the way he sent it....
Graphs and all....
I however get a really larg binary with text saying "Lookie neat"
We were having a trivia contest on IRC and this question came up... I cheated and pulled up a website that gave me the correct full name of ASCII.
It's not accually an accanim for text files but for the group who develuped the standard for text data years ago as a standard interface between printer terminals and mainframes.
The UK had to develup it's own sence the US standard didn't include the pound symbol (Yes the A stands for American)
Other nations also had to develup an addapted ASCII..
Sence then AscII has technicly become obsolete and was replaced by ANSI (Windows and Linux both support this) and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe ANSI accually includes the letters not found in the US alphabet (Thies letters were used by early incarnations of 31337 hax0r dud3z.. using e with the tida over it and such).
and I vagely rember reading a warning "This e-mail in Unicode XXX" or some such.. never presented any problem...
(Maybe Unicode allready suplanted ASCII and we just weren't paying attention)
On the other hand... Unicode is something of a standard itself.. like ASCII and Ansi..
But going out and saying "Well now the world uses OUR protocall... becouse it's in Windows... and everyone uses Windows"
Side note... You'll see in my rants a lot of times I make this kinda commnet "Everybody uses Windows right?"...
It's the addatude I see WAY to often... Just make it for Windows and EVERYONE can use it...
First there is "PC only"....
The PC runs many operating systems and Windows runs on Alphas as well as PCs...
Using "PC" as a synonum for Windows is kinda like using Car as a synonum for the current best selling auto maker...
Then there are those who won't tell you who they support or clame to support "everybody"...
This should mean you did something portable.. that it runs in my web browser...
At worst it should require JAVA...
Nope.. not Java....EXE.. Windows...
Now the worst are people who clame to be "The new Standard of the web" and offer a token Linux client (That isn't compleate) Nothing for BeOS or BSD or any Unix platform... and offer compleate Windows and Mac plugins...
Thies people are fully aware of Linux and all the others... yet they only make a shadow of an effort to support Linux and none at all in supporting everyone else.
But at least they don't go with the addatude "but everyone uses Windows.. right?"
If you think AscII cuts markets off.. Try a data format that only works from one operating system made by a United States software company...
Atari probably wouldn't consider this violating any copy protection mechanism.
The only thing they MIGHT do is copy the machine and say "It's ours so your portable is also ours" stuff all the software on one box (one rom) and sell it for like $50 as a handheld toy for geeks, yuppys and people who want 1980s memorabila. As well as kids and well.. teachers trying to teach history... (Oh gods. yeah 1980s is history now...)
Die hard fans of "Insert fiction here" are deathly fanatical.
Sifi fans are smart fanatics.. often in the high tech industry. Just a statistical look odds are good Bill Gates as a sifi fan (If true I doupt he'd be a hard core fanatic.. the only thing he seems fanatic about is his own company and his own famally.. and the latter mostly a guess).
With a considerable amout of potentally wealthy sifi fanatics the price of something so hard to find as say the script for an as-yet-unreleased film would run pritty dang high...
(If it's on e-bay it's probably a hoax.. if it's not the guy is an idiot)
No.. Radio is allowed as premotional..
Go the opposate... REFUSE to play Metallica or Dr. Dre becouse they don't want there music distributed...
No premotion... none at all...
"The Napster hour featuring Artists who support napster..."
Universitys who ban Napster will do so becouse of the bandwith it takes up and not from a legal notice.
Those who have not allready banned Napster will refuse to do so sence it dose not present a technical problem to them.
Universitys and Collages long ago "got it" in the legal harrasment department.
The whole idea of banning a peace of technology is fundementally banning intelegence and creativity. It is banning hard work. It is banning intelect.
That is something that a place of learning can not give in to. They need not understand Napster they need only realise someone is using legal powers to do something far worse than banning books.
Slackware is work (This spoken by a Slackware fan)
The point of Debian is to be secure the point of RedHat is to be "IT compatable" (if you will) to get Linux smushed in those companys who use Windows becouse Microsoft sent them a pamptlet telling them to.
Far to many companys have a clueless manager in charg of the technology. He runs on buzzwords not on real technology. RedHat is simply trying to push the Linux buzzword into those managers brains so they can sell product in Microsofts domain.
It's not good becouse this is the house Microsoft built.. It's a sad state of affares where people who normally wouldn't be allowed anywhere near a computer are in charg of the tech department.
This is the RedHat nitch.. makes sence that RedHat wants to own the idiots. The rest of us want to exterminate same.
But exterminating them isn't a good idea...
So let RedHat be bizzord complient...
We should be hiring collage students who learnned Unix not MSCE who learnned nothing at all...
But for now certen ITs are looking for MSCEs when they should look for PHDs
Ok so how soon before we have the features shown in the screen shots?
How soon after the release will Linux have ALL the features of Whistler.. and how soon after relase will BSD have all Whistlers security features?
And of course.. how long before the first bug is found? and how many years after that before it gets fixed...
Please note: Linux people have no problems with copying.. thats the Mac camp.. we just have a commen enemy.. Microsoft...
Most contracts are equal tradeoffs...
You agree to give me a decent product and I agree to pay you money.. Thats a contract we commit to every day.. sadly often one party fails the comitment (Not allways the busness side BTW)
It talks about "Free computer" deals etc..
They aren't so hot but they are worth while...
I might not be able to afford a brand new computer but $30 a month I can handle...
I personally took a diffrent route.. I bought my computer over time by buying parts over time. I didn't have my computer all at once but for $100 a month I got a decent computer. And I own it outright.
Now I pay less than $20 a month rather than nearly $30.
But for people who need the equipment NOW that $30 a month is a good deal.
I however plan to upgrade my motherboard and case really soon now...
But this strikes me as very similer to the problems we are having with Microsoft...
But Microsoft isn't offering anything of value in return...
1 by the way has a single word.. "Compeate"
and of course compeating is communist... er wait.. no...
Yeah the whole idea of Communism was to ELIMINATE that stuff.. with compatition there is a winner and a loser... lose to often and you enter poverty.
Captialism is more the idea of hard work pays of...
Selling software isn't evil... forcing users to buy your product is evil...
The diffrence...
Preinstalled Windows is still a sold product but it is not capitalism as the end user has a choice between diffrent Windows computers.
This has distoryed the market for compeating products as the end user will not pay TWICE for software just so he can have annother choice.
Here comes Linux... don't pay at all...
There is the group who would rather you not sell software. That you give it away.
This is being just plain greedy...
If a person wants to try to sell something (in capitalism) they should by all rights sell it...
A side note in the 1980s many software pacages were liccensed source..
In this you paid for a liccens not only for the software but for the source code. You were allowed to share changes etc but giving away the source was the same as giving away the binary... it's still a commertal product.
The basic problem with closed source is that it has moved far away from capitalism with liccenses.
Basicly our evil greedy Bill Gates pritty much just loves writing code. He enjoys programming and dose it for fun.
But Bill Gates needs to put food on the table so he basicly sells his labor. Thats captalism.
But users don't buy his work.. instead they STEAL it.
The sad fact is normally intelectual property is vertually imposable to sell.
Music needs to be on a CD to hear.. the CD is the binding reality that makes music a product that can be sold.
Books need to be printed on paper to be read. The book is the solid reality that makes books products that can be sold.
But software exists electronicly. Disks are easy to copy. But moreover the data on the disk can be transmited in any number of ways.
As a result any one disk sold may become thousands of disks with a simple file copyer.
Or worse.. just upload the data on the disk to a BBS... Now everyone who calls your BBS can have the same software.
It really dosn't work well when your trying to make a living. But Bill Gates pushed on..
He was basicly ripped off for 20 years before he discovered a way to prevent theft of his software and finnaly make a proffit.
His most populare operating system.. Dos.. sold decently.. and it did so by liccens. If you sell PCs every PC you sell must have Dos preinstalled.
It made sence.. It was the standard operating system of the PC.. You expected as much.
Somewhere along the way he desided that his failed product Windows was being stolen by every Dos user.
Why? Well.. to put it mildly.. Windows has allways been a joke... Those who paid for it found it to be useless.
But Microsoft assumed Windows was a success becouse they figured it was the only product like it on the market.
That would be a correct assumption. It also was compleatly with out any market demand.
Microsoft basicly crammed Windows into the market.
Liccenses like this.. are not capitalism. They eliminate compeditiveness. They distory the market.
They are the only way you can sell software and make any money.
Now if someone wishes to TRY and make money selling software in a captialist market...
Go for it...
But companys find monopolitic dictatorships to be the only path to proffitability when your product is easy to download.
I think the artical assumes Carnivore is a Windows box not an FBI agent...
If all Carnivore dose is log all data... he's toast..... If it accually dose some work then it's brain dead easy to bypass a simple scanner...
Someone else made a recomendation that bypasses even an active log.... (Same thread right here) good thinking guy...:)
How? Get an new ISP... blah
and one my mother wants to do anyway...
Get a free account (for herself not for me.. I like my radio IP...)
Yeah... now how to tap my line... I"M USING A RADIO IP for cripes sake it's pritty braindead to read every packet I transmit
Ok so it's disabled in the driver.. It's still in the hardware..
With Dos the driver is in each application... just run a Dos recorder under windows and you've bypassed the whole mess..
In the mean time Mac, Linux, BSD, etc sound drivers are not signed and are full duplex at all times.
New Linux sound drivers are allowing multi app accss to sound cards so more than one sound card can tap the card at once..
Mac has similer issues plus Linux and Mac normally allow many sound cards so you can bypass this problem with two cards should they ever find a way to lock the single card into play only.. you use annother card for record...
Older Macs and Sun Sparcs often have more than one sound chip.. one built in one on sound card.. both accessable...
(the sound card is an upgrade from the older simper chip)
I don't suppose BeOS "The" multimedia os would skip the ability to access more than one card...
Ok so it's just one more thing Windows users can't do that everyone else using ANYTHING else can do..
Oh wait... Dos.. yeah well I guess OFFICALLY Windows users can't do it... unoffically... muahahaha
You can't decompile Command.Com and make it open source becouse it's Copyright Microsoft..
It's allready been cloned however.. more than once... the only thing preventing an open source clone of command.com is... why bother...
Oh wait... FreeDos... Hay maybe they did it...
Decompiling is pritty clean and easy to do adding libarys just shows up as "this libary linked here" it dosn't really effect anything...
Obfuscating the code btw only screws up decompilers... Debuggers and hacking tolls are pritty much immune...
>Obfusicating object code? Puhlease.
Your right.. but people do it anyway...
Oh BTW.. thats why Soft ICE exists... otherwise a normal decompiler would do the job FINE..
So this only means you can't use a simple brain dead decompiler to rip out the source code and lay out out like an animal gutting open it's kill...
This can't be done if the vendors of the soundcards sign their drivers with a universal "secure music" key, and the SDMI music refuses to use anything other than a signed driver. These drivers of course will prohibit simultaneous sound in and out.
This would not sell...
Preventing simultaneous In/Out is called Half Duplex and today if your not full duplex (in and out at same time) your dead.
This feature is needed for teleconphrencing and is used by on-line games for live verbal communication...
This means the majority of Hackers, Games and busness people would reject it... thats about 100% of the markets that drives technology sales....
Plus this dosn't prevent users from using TWO soundcards (Windows prevents it Dos, Linux and everyone else allows it so just don't tell Windows about the second card)
Also mass market sound cards are 5 year old high end market cards. The new cards are allways for the high end market and eventually reach the mass market with many clones etc using same or slightly improved chip sets.
Given this most card makers are not intrested in rewriting sound card drivers.. if SDMI dosn't work on the hardware allready on the market it's allready dead....
Burocrats don't reproduce.. they just attempt to reproduce a lot... and throwing bricks at the equipment makes them only want to reproduce more on our freedoms than they do allready
Signal11 holding a press confrence.. hmmm hay it works for Bill Gates... why not....
Of course there is no gun to your head. The implant at the base of your spine eliminates the need for that.
Getting more sereous...
Intentional or not repeatedly suggesting (from any level) that Windows should be used has an impact.
No conspericys or anything...
But it effects the way you think.... after about 100 occurences you re-evaluate Windows...
Give it say 100 re-evaluations and you'll probably reconsider....
Is this branwashing? Yeah.. so why isn't everyone in Microsoft using Windows?
Blue Screen Of Death.... and installing Windows is MAJORLY painful...
Deal with 10 Windows installs or 10 BSODs and you re-evaluate Windows BIG TIME.. it has a more profound psycological impact than hinting around you should use Windows...
Yeah.. Microsofts been branwashing people into using Linux for years... and they didn't even know it...
anyway... get on your conspericy theries etc...
The reality is however Microsoft has clamed for years Unix wasn't useful... We ignored them for a while now we have to deal with this from people who should know better...
Now we get to say Microsoft uses Unix... Ignore us please..
And of os venders.. only Microsoft uses a compeating product.... (Apple uses Sun Sparcs but thats not a compeating product.. thies are opposate extreams of the market and they are hardware venders)
Yes it's annoying... No Microsoft isn't putting presure on you... They have yet to get HotMail to remove those dam BSD boxes
Finnally expect the "Quality covrage" NT Mags give Unix when obveously Unix centric news sources talk about Windows... that means mispelling names and getting facts totally totally messed up...
Hay and tomarow we may even make up some statistics.... naa not even Slashdot would stoop THAT low
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I still use my sereal port and I'm not preparied to toss my keyboard.
BSD dosn't do everything...
Nither dose Linux...
FreeBSD for a stable secure webcam? workstation? no?
yes FreeBSD can do thies things but not as well as Linux... great so BSD dose what YOU want... it dosn't do what ->"I"<- want and before even the must dullest of dullards will install anything it must pass that simple test...
BSD is cute too... but if it dosn't do the job.. cute isn't my box...
it's just how all software has been shipped for the last 15 plus years... I don't like it but even windows shipps in a huge box...
however at least it's cardboard...
my old commodore 64 software is pacaged in larg plastic boxes... the boxes are fine the software is probably dead... but the boxes are indistructable..
my old geos 64 box is a tad smaller than my redhat box but my norten utilitys box is a tad bigger... it's all the same anyway...
there was an artical about this a tad over 10 years ago about how basicly software trys to be more visable and companys achive this by making big boxes so the constummer can see it better on the shelf...
big larg Linux 6.9 box with a king sized tux on the front... and a slim little windows fu box to the side... people tend to but the larger box...
the box size isn't a machine reality btw... you can ship 100 flopy disks or one dvd... and having shipped 100 disks they can be stuffed in a small box (i've done it) having a single dvd you can stuff it into a huge massive box with a weight in the box to give it mass...
Disk 1: Install disk... this is the eqivlent of Windows + MsOffice it contains everything you need to run a Linux desktop/server including all the apps...
Windows NT only comes as server or workstation never both... 9x dosn't offer a server setup...
Disk 2: Source code... Microsoft dosn't offer this.. thus no Disk 2
As RedHats single install cd covers 2 microsoft cds...
it might be posable for microsoft to put ms office on the windows install cd... but as they are not one product (and we want to keep it that way) they are shipped on two diffrent cds...
linux still fits on a floppy... this is just the os with some rescue tools... the cd contains a vast amount of software tools... apps etc etc etc on top of the basic operating system...
that is all on the first cd
I know you didn't want to start a thread (said as much) but you really really really gotta watch what you say...
"there's nothing like it for Linux"
Should have said "I THINK" or "I BELIEVE"
Linux has 30 years of e-mail clients I doupt anyone has used them all...
Linux is nothing like Windows anyway... so this is generally true of all Linux and Windows software.. nothing like it on the other platform...
From the artical I'm getting the idea that this isn't an issue with your one year old e-mail client but a far more recent update..
And it dose appear to be an issue...
The problem as (As I gathered from other posts) is this new default is being treated as text.. embrace and extend... to be more accurate...
The binary is text formating... if the reader dosn't support the formating he SHOULD be able to read the text.
However.. any well formated document falls appart once you strip the formating...
So normal e-mail clients (Such as the 30 years of Unix clients) get garbage...
In the end even when the text is unreadable the receaver will ALLWAYS be left with the impression that some part of the e-mail was missing and is sitting in that binary file....
And the reader will never get exactly what the sender thinks he will be getting
In the mean time what I see isn't what the sender THINKS I see.
Keep in mind the key here is the user isn't aware of what is happening. They think they are still sending text...
and the avrage user dosn't really know what text is other than the standard e-mail data format.
The user assumes the e-mail he is sending will be receaced exactly the way he sent it....
Graphs and all....
I however get a really larg binary with text saying "Lookie neat"
Ok so it will only create the illusion that I'm not getting my e-mail...
It's not much of an improvment...
The next thing you'll see them remove the text..
In the mean time the binary takes up HD space...
I'm getting tired of this nonsence anyway... We should make an alternitive to this... a Unix e-mail format... make a Mac port....
Send a binary file with text e-mail...
We were having a trivia contest on IRC and this question came up... I cheated and pulled up a website that gave me the correct full name of ASCII.
.EXE.. Windows...
It's not accually an accanim for text files but for the group who develuped the standard for text data years ago as a standard interface between printer terminals and mainframes.
The UK had to develup it's own sence the US standard didn't include the pound symbol (Yes the A stands for American)
Other nations also had to develup an addapted ASCII..
Sence then AscII has technicly become obsolete and was replaced by ANSI (Windows and Linux both support this) and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe ANSI accually includes the letters not found in the US alphabet (Thies letters were used by early incarnations of 31337 hax0r dud3z.. using e with the tida over it and such).
and I vagely rember reading a warning "This e-mail in Unicode XXX" or some such.. never presented any problem...
(Maybe Unicode allready suplanted ASCII and we just weren't paying attention)
On the other hand... Unicode is something of a standard itself.. like ASCII and Ansi..
But going out and saying "Well now the world uses OUR protocall... becouse it's in Windows... and everyone uses Windows"
Side note... You'll see in my rants a lot of times I make this kinda commnet "Everybody uses Windows right?"...
It's the addatude I see WAY to often... Just make it for Windows and EVERYONE can use it...
First there is "PC only"....
The PC runs many operating systems and Windows runs on Alphas as well as PCs...
Using "PC" as a synonum for Windows is kinda like using Car as a synonum for the current best selling auto maker...
Then there are those who won't tell you who they support or clame to support "everybody"...
This should mean you did something portable.. that it runs in my web browser...
At worst it should require JAVA...
Nope.. not Java...
Now the worst are people who clame to be "The new Standard of the web" and offer a token Linux client (That isn't compleate) Nothing for BeOS or BSD or any Unix platform... and offer compleate Windows and Mac plugins...
Thies people are fully aware of Linux and all the others... yet they only make a shadow of an effort to support Linux and none at all in supporting everyone else.
But at least they don't go with the addatude "but everyone uses Windows.. right?"
If you think AscII cuts markets off.. Try a data format that only works from one operating system made by a United States software company...
Atari probably wouldn't consider this violating any copy protection mechanism.
The only thing they MIGHT do is copy the machine and say "It's ours so your portable is also ours" stuff all the software on one box (one rom) and sell it for like $50 as a handheld toy for geeks, yuppys and people who want 1980s memorabila. As well as kids and well.. teachers trying to teach history... (Oh gods. yeah 1980s is history now...)
Die hard fans of "Insert fiction here" are deathly fanatical.
Sifi fans are smart fanatics.. often in the high tech industry. Just a statistical look odds are good Bill Gates as a sifi fan (If true I doupt he'd be a hard core fanatic.. the only thing he seems fanatic about is his own company and his own famally.. and the latter mostly a guess).
With a considerable amout of potentally wealthy sifi fanatics the price of something so hard to find as say the script for an as-yet-unreleased film would run pritty dang high...
(If it's on e-bay it's probably a hoax.. if it's not the guy is an idiot)
Yeah.. a peace of god... they'll pay...
No.. Radio is allowed as premotional..
Go the opposate... REFUSE to play Metallica or Dr. Dre becouse they don't want there music distributed...
No premotion... none at all...
"The Napster hour featuring Artists who support napster..."
Universitys who ban Napster will do so becouse of the bandwith it takes up and not from a legal notice.
Those who have not allready banned Napster will refuse to do so sence it dose not present a technical problem to them.
Universitys and Collages long ago "got it" in the legal harrasment department.
The whole idea of banning a peace of technology is fundementally banning intelegence and creativity. It is banning hard work. It is banning intelect.
That is something that a place of learning can not give in to. They need not understand Napster they need only realise someone is using legal powers to do something far worse than banning books.
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Slackware is work (This spoken by a Slackware fan)
The point of Debian is to be secure the point of RedHat is to be "IT compatable" (if you will) to get Linux smushed in those companys who use Windows becouse Microsoft sent them a pamptlet telling them to.
Far to many companys have a clueless manager in charg of the technology. He runs on buzzwords not on real technology. RedHat is simply trying to push the Linux buzzword into those managers brains so they can sell product in Microsofts domain.
It's not good becouse this is the house Microsoft built.. It's a sad state of affares where people who normally wouldn't be allowed anywhere near a computer are in charg of the tech department.
This is the RedHat nitch.. makes sence that RedHat wants to own the idiots. The rest of us want to exterminate same.
But exterminating them isn't a good idea...
So let RedHat be bizzord complient...
We should be hiring collage students who learnned Unix not MSCE who learnned nothing at all...
But for now certen ITs are looking for MSCEs when they should look for PHDs
I wrote a really nice artical about how to write Slashdot articals that don't get rejected...
and thies guys rejected it..
You bastards....
PS. I'm kidding...
PPS. If it's off topic it's spam.. if it's spam they don't know what they are doing.. don't even bother
Ok so how soon before we have the features shown in the screen shots?
How soon after the release will Linux have ALL the features of Whistler.. and how soon after relase will BSD have all Whistlers security features?
And of course.. how long before the first bug is found? and how many years after that before it gets fixed...
Please note: Linux people have no problems with copying.. thats the Mac camp.. we just have a commen enemy.. Microsoft...
Most contracts are equal tradeoffs...
You agree to give me a decent product and I agree to pay you money.. Thats a contract we commit to every day.. sadly often one party fails the comitment (Not allways the busness side BTW)
It talks about "Free computer" deals etc..
They aren't so hot but they are worth while...
I might not be able to afford a brand new computer but $30 a month I can handle...
I personally took a diffrent route.. I bought my computer over time by buying parts over time. I didn't have my computer all at once but for $100 a month I got a decent computer. And I own it outright.
Now I pay less than $20 a month rather than nearly $30.
But for people who need the equipment NOW that $30 a month is a good deal.
I however plan to upgrade my motherboard and case really soon now...
But this strikes me as very similer to the problems we are having with Microsoft...
But Microsoft isn't offering anything of value in return...
1 by the way has a single word.. "Compeate"
and of course compeating is communist... er wait.. no...
Yeah the whole idea of Communism was to ELIMINATE that stuff.. with compatition there is a winner and a loser... lose to often and you enter poverty.
Captialism is more the idea of hard work pays of...
Selling software isn't evil... forcing users to buy your product is evil...
The diffrence...
Preinstalled Windows is still a sold product but it is not capitalism as the end user has a choice between diffrent Windows computers.
This has distoryed the market for compeating products as the end user will not pay TWICE for software just so he can have annother choice.
Here comes Linux... don't pay at all...
There is the group who would rather you not sell software. That you give it away.
This is being just plain greedy...
If a person wants to try to sell something (in capitalism) they should by all rights sell it...
A side note in the 1980s many software pacages were liccensed source..
In this you paid for a liccens not only for the software but for the source code. You were allowed to share changes etc but giving away the source was the same as giving away the binary... it's still a commertal product.
The basic problem with closed source is that it has moved far away from capitalism with liccenses.
Basicly our evil greedy Bill Gates pritty much just loves writing code. He enjoys programming and dose it for fun.
But Bill Gates needs to put food on the table so he basicly sells his labor. Thats captalism.
But users don't buy his work.. instead they STEAL it.
The sad fact is normally intelectual property is vertually imposable to sell.
Music needs to be on a CD to hear.. the CD is the binding reality that makes music a product that can be sold.
Books need to be printed on paper to be read. The book is the solid reality that makes books products that can be sold.
But software exists electronicly. Disks are easy to copy. But moreover the data on the disk can be transmited in any number of ways.
As a result any one disk sold may become thousands of disks with a simple file copyer.
Or worse.. just upload the data on the disk to a BBS... Now everyone who calls your BBS can have the same software.
It really dosn't work well when your trying to make a living. But Bill Gates pushed on..
He was basicly ripped off for 20 years before he discovered a way to prevent theft of his software and finnaly make a proffit.
His most populare operating system.. Dos.. sold decently.. and it did so by liccens. If you sell PCs every PC you sell must have Dos preinstalled.
It made sence.. It was the standard operating system of the PC.. You expected as much.
Somewhere along the way he desided that his failed product Windows was being stolen by every Dos user.
Why? Well.. to put it mildly.. Windows has allways been a joke... Those who paid for it found it to be useless.
But Microsoft assumed Windows was a success becouse they figured it was the only product like it on the market.
That would be a correct assumption. It also was compleatly with out any market demand.
Microsoft basicly crammed Windows into the market.
Liccenses like this.. are not capitalism. They eliminate compeditiveness. They distory the market.
They are the only way you can sell software and make any money.
Now if someone wishes to TRY and make money selling software in a captialist market...
Go for it...
But companys find monopolitic dictatorships to be the only path to proffitability when your product is easy to download.
I think the artical assumes Carnivore is a Windows box not an FBI agent...
:)
If all Carnivore dose is log all data... he's toast..... If it accually dose some work then it's brain dead easy to bypass a simple scanner...
Someone else made a recomendation that bypasses even an active log.... (Same thread right here) good thinking guy...
How? Get an new ISP... blah
and one my mother wants to do anyway...
Get a free account (for herself not for me.. I like my radio IP...)
Yeah... now how to tap my line... I"M USING A RADIO IP for cripes sake it's pritty braindead to read every packet I transmit
> The FBI isn't stupid.
They built a box that needs to run unmaintainned and unobsured for long piriods of time....
and used Windows...
There are quite a few operating systems that could do this job quite nicely... including Dos...
The FBI may not be stupid but whomever designed this box isn't the first person I'd turn to when it comes to turnning on a flash light....
Ok so it's disabled in the driver.. It's still in the hardware..
With Dos the driver is in each application... just run a Dos recorder under windows and you've bypassed the whole mess..
In the mean time Mac, Linux, BSD, etc sound drivers are not signed and are full duplex at all times.
New Linux sound drivers are allowing multi app accss to sound cards so more than one sound card can tap the card at once..
Mac has similer issues plus Linux and Mac normally allow many sound cards so you can bypass this problem with two cards should they ever find a way to lock the single card into play only.. you use annother card for record...
Older Macs and Sun Sparcs often have more than one sound chip.. one built in one on sound card.. both accessable...
(the sound card is an upgrade from the older simper chip)
I don't suppose BeOS "The" multimedia os would skip the ability to access more than one card...
Ok so it's just one more thing Windows users can't do that everyone else using ANYTHING else can do..
Oh wait... Dos.. yeah well I guess OFFICALLY Windows users can't do it... unoffically... muahahaha
You can't decompile Command.Com and make it open source becouse it's Copyright Microsoft..
It's allready been cloned however.. more than once... the only thing preventing an open source clone of command.com is... why bother...
Oh wait... FreeDos... Hay maybe they did it...
Decompiling is pritty clean and easy to do adding libarys just shows up as "this libary linked here" it dosn't really effect anything...
Obfuscating the code btw only screws up decompilers... Debuggers and hacking tolls are pritty much immune...
>Obfusicating object code? Puhlease.
Your right.. but people do it anyway...
Oh BTW.. thats why Soft ICE exists... otherwise a normal decompiler would do the job FINE..
So this only means you can't use a simple brain dead decompiler to rip out the source code and lay out out like an animal gutting open it's kill...
This can't be done if the vendors of the soundcards sign their drivers with a universal "secure music" key, and the SDMI music refuses to use anything other than a signed driver. These drivers of course will prohibit simultaneous sound in and out.
This would not sell...
Preventing simultaneous In/Out is called Half Duplex and today if your not full duplex (in and out at same time) your dead.
This feature is needed for teleconphrencing and is used by on-line games for live verbal communication...
This means the majority of Hackers, Games and busness people would reject it... thats about 100% of the markets that drives technology sales....
Plus this dosn't prevent users from using TWO soundcards (Windows prevents it Dos, Linux and everyone else allows it so just don't tell Windows about the second card)
Also mass market sound cards are 5 year old high end market cards. The new cards are allways for the high end market and eventually reach the mass market with many clones etc using same or slightly improved chip sets.
Given this most card makers are not intrested in rewriting sound card drivers.. if SDMI dosn't work on the hardware allready on the market it's allready dead....
Burocrats don't reproduce.. they just attempt to reproduce a lot... and throwing bricks at the equipment makes them only want to reproduce more on our freedoms than they do allready
Signal11 holding a press confrence.. hmmm hay it works for Bill Gates... why not....
Of course there is no gun to your head. The implant at the base of your spine eliminates the need for that.
Getting more sereous...
Intentional or not repeatedly suggesting (from any level) that Windows should be used has an impact.
No conspericys or anything...
But it effects the way you think.... after about 100 occurences you re-evaluate Windows...
Give it say 100 re-evaluations and you'll probably reconsider....
Is this branwashing? Yeah.. so why isn't everyone in Microsoft using Windows?
Blue Screen Of Death.... and installing Windows is MAJORLY painful...
Deal with 10 Windows installs or 10 BSODs and you re-evaluate Windows BIG TIME.. it has a more profound psycological impact than hinting around you should use Windows...
Yeah.. Microsofts been branwashing people into using Linux for years... and they didn't even know it...
anyway... get on your conspericy theries etc...
The reality is however Microsoft has clamed for years Unix wasn't useful... We ignored them for a while now we have to deal with this from people who should know better...
Now we get to say Microsoft uses Unix... Ignore us please..
And of os venders.. only Microsoft uses a compeating product.... (Apple uses Sun Sparcs but thats not a compeating product.. thies are opposate extreams of the market and they are hardware venders)
Yes it's annoying... No Microsoft isn't putting presure on you... They have yet to get HotMail to remove those dam BSD boxes
Finnally expect the "Quality covrage" NT Mags give Unix when obveously Unix centric news sources talk about Windows... that means mispelling names and getting facts totally totally messed up...
Hay and tomarow we may even make up some statistics.... naa not even Slashdot would stoop THAT low