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ucribido writes "StarWars episode II, as yet untitled film, has wrapped up shooting ahead of shedule. No advanced story lines given although the just freshly completed script was apparently stolen and offered of sale for $100,000 big ones to the fan site The Force.net. More about the shoot here "
I heard Episode 2 will have the best (or worste, depending on how you see it) of both Jar-Jar and the Ewoks. It turns out that on the way home from Episode I, Jar-Jar stops off on Endor and through the wonder of Natural Genetic Manipulation, becomes father of a race of half-Gungan/half-Ewoks known as JarWoks. They're cute, they're annoying, they're tribal. But best of all, polls show they appeal to the prime demographic that will heighten the ST:E2's profitab...er...appeal!
the Matrix?
Not to diss the Matrix, I actually did like it a lot. More then SWeI!
The nick is a joke! Really!
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Mod that post up!! (ROFL!! ;-)
- Spryguy
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The Pod Race in episode 1 was neato, if you're impressed by watching a video game, but it lacks the realism that the speeder-bike scene in Jedi had. The speeder-bike footage was shot using a camera that took something like 2-3 frames per second (thus the blur effect) mounted on a steadicam. They walked slowly through the forest for at least a day to get the footage, which became the background for the green-screen action. Can you imagine how real the Pod Racer scene would have looked if they had done that? Just look back at the shots from episode 4 where the jawas are peering out from the rocks at R2. Imagine that kind of photography in terms of the texture of the rocks, the way the sunlight hit the rough edges of the rocks. No CGI can duplicate that! Just imagine if they had taken a week to walk with a steadicam through Bryce Canyon, or someplace like that. We would have forgotten and forgiven Lucas for Jar-Jar because those shots would have been so damn beautiful! I've never heard anyone describe cg shots as beautiful, and there's some truth to that.
Lucas just doesn't get it. Kubrick did. Whether you like his films or not, they are stunning, and beautiful. Even Eyes Wide Shut had great photography. Now can you imagine how much it would have sucked if the "Beyond the infinite" shots at the end of 2001 had been done with computer graphics, even Lucas' hot-shit ILM latest gee-whiz technology?!
OK, end rant.
BTW, does anyone know if Kershner is still alive? He's probably the only person who can save Lucas from himself.
Luke never met Obi-Wan when Luke was nine years old, it was Luke's father, Anakin Skywalker, who met Obi-Wan when Anakin was nine in Episode I.
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...unless London has moved recently...
Actually, there is more than one place named "London". However, Elstree Film Studios are in the UK...
The lesson to be learned is that tickets cost more now than they did in years past.
"You're never ready, just less unprepared."
Why should he have learned any lessons? Because you, personally, didn't like it? Episode 1 was the second highest grossing movie of all time. What lessons are there to learned from that, from a capitalistic point of view, other than to give people more of the same?
You'd judge the quality of a film by the box office receipts? Austin Powers got 53 mil in US Box Office returns, and AP II got over 203 mil. Was AP II four times as good?
Episode I could have been shite and still made the huge money (it did, and many say it was). This doesn't mean the movie couldn't have been better, and it doesn't mean that if it was better, it wouldn't have grossed more.
Titanic (One rung up on the gross ladder from Episode I) took in double what Episode I did. You don't think that if Ep I was better, it wouldn't have made even more?
To say no lesson is to be learned from Episode I is to say that George Lucas not only doesn't care about his work anymore, but doesn't care about money either. I'd have to say that whatever your attitude about Lucas is, you can't say both of those are true...
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. . .considering that three-quarters of the film'll probably be computer-generated anyways, including the main actors, the scenery, and Jar-Jar.
The rest of the time until release'll be used just for rendering!!
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Episode II is going to suck in terms of picture quality. Episode I looked bad enough (the whole movie looked soft and fuzzy, due to the use of low resolution computer processing on nearly every shot), but Episode II is just going to look plain awful.
The camera they used is built by Sony (with lenses by Panavision), and captures images at 1920x1080 resolution at a 16:9 aspect ratio, the same aspect ratio as HDTV (basically, it is an HDTV camera). In order to form a 2.35:1 widescreen image, this will be cropped to about 1920x800. Compare that with this resolution chart for 35mm film scanning. 35mm film still has scannable information on it at resolutions up to 4096 x 3112.
Of course, the real resolution of Sony's video camera is effectively only about half of the stated 1920x1080, due to the fact that the images are color sampled in a 4:2:2 fashion, which means that every other pixel is just a black-and-white pixel, with the color sample from the adjacent pixel added in. That's not the same thing as true 1920x1080 resolution. And don't forget that the image data is heavily compressed in-camera 9at about a 7:1 compression ratio) using MPEG-2, just to make it fit onto the tape. Can't wait to see all those nice compression artifacts!
Finally, as you pointed out, there are slow-motion shots to consider. Well, guess what? The Sony camera can only shoot at 24fps! Therefore, the Episode II crew had to keep film cameras around for any shots that required slo-mo. Notice that they've been pretty quiet about that. You won't find any information about that on the official Star Wars website! It's a bit of a dirty little secret.
To be fair, shooting with video does have one advantage -- instant feedback. You don't have to wait for dailies to see if you got the shot right. Of course, with video assist systems on most film cameras these days, you can tell a lot already, even though the video assist playback doesn't exactly show you what the final product is going to look like. But when the video is your final prodcut, you know exactly what you're getting right away.
I know I'll probably sound like a Luddite with this post, but I'm really not opposed to video taking over film. It's just that the quality really isn't there yet. Until the resolution and color range of video is increased to match that of film, it just won't look as good. I think George Lucas is getting ahead of himself in deciding to go with video today. However, I think he's so anxious to be known as an "innovator" that he's decided to just do it anyway, quality be damned. Oh well, that's my take on it anyway.
(Note: Sorry if this comment shows up twice, slash seems to have eaten it the first time, yet it's still complaining about it being a duplicate.)
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"In this day, when character depth and plot twists, Lucas gives us one sided characters, as well as one sided good guys/bad guys..."
In all fairness, look at, well, almost any Hollywood production. They're all considerably worse then Star Wars Ep 1. While I'm not saying Ep 1 was great, you seem to be implying that in this day and age, characters have depth and movies have plots. I'd personally guess that, at the MOST, 1 movie comes out of Hollywood, per year, that is worth watching. At all. That has any plot, any interesting characters, anything that doesn't make it predictable, stereotypical, or just plain awful. So while Ep 1 wasn't great, you can't say it was "worse" then average. Because average is pretty crappy.
And that's why I watch mostly cool foreign flicks and weird low budget things. Like Pi: The Movie :). (Visit www.pithemovie.com).
The Olympics. Seriously, you're in Sydney, you can finish the movie with CGI (and we all know Georgie more than happy to do that), and the games kick off, what are you going to do?
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Yeah, I thought so.
Put it this way: the computers will be melting down 24/7 at full crank until the very last moment. Lucas has reduced principal photography to the importance of something like matte painting- it's no longer anything like the primary creative source for what he's doing. There's a section in this issue of 'Cinefex' that explains how a two-shot between Amidala and Anakin used take one from Jake Lloyd, take seven from Natalie Portman, take 15 from Jake Lloyd so that his mouth closed at the end of the sequence, and a backwards clip of Natalie Portman with steam rotoscoped so that Natalie's glance downward was in reverse but the steam also in the shot was forward!
(wonder if Taco's dweebproofing software will throw away this post for having said 'Natalie Portman'?)
Anyhow, that should give you an idea of what's really happening. At this point, film to Lucas is like samples to a tracker-using music composer- this is not only a new approach, but interestingly it's something that could be approached on the desktop as well (just in much smaller amounts). Once the initial wizbang fun of rendering 30,000 ships or a battlefield with a million footsoldiers has become boring, then we'll start to see what people do with essentially unlimited scope to their imaginations. It's like digital synthesis- contrast modern techno/DnB with early-seventies pop and rock. The capacity to digitally imagine just about any sound (in a sense, anyway) has led to strikingly different genres than anyone could have imagined, ones that use tonality as a key musical element. The capacity to do this with cinematography will lead to strikingly different films, and Lucas may not be the one to pioneer them- but he's doing a lot to establish the new technology.
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I refuse to be even slightly interested in this.. Episode I was the bigest waste of a cinema ticket i've ever seen. I won't be fueling the marketing machine (and lining Mr Lucus's pockets) a second time.
Face it, star wars was a good trilogy.. but they shouldn't have tried to flog a dead horse.
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You'd like to be a ruthless mercenary in real life?
Well, I do work as a bouncer at underground parties, which isn't all that far off...
I never understood why he's so popular
Because he's the hoopy kind of frood who knows where his towel is.
Alas, I've tried that, but he just didn't seem to fit in my life in that regard.
Then you didn't use enough lube. Oh, and you have to *relax*...
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That poor bastard...
Episode II: Tracers, the Final Frontier
Interesting info. Thanks for the response. I guess I was on crack with the 25-30% guesstimate. (but I *did* say PRODUCTION costs, not total budget... so maybe only a factor of 2 or 3 off instead of 10? :)
I don't have anything against digital, either. But film is going to be a better choice for resolution reasons for a while. I imagine movies made with "old-fashioned" film technology will be pretty rare in 10 years time. I'm sure some people would say that you can't notice the difference between the resolution between the two formats now (well, Lucas *did* say that they were nearly identical, didn't he?), but I'm sure there's enough people out there who care enough to look. Just like audiophiles who bitch about the quality of CDs vs. the "warmth" of vinyl.
so how did you come to 2 Standard Deviations below the mean rate? just wondering. it seems as if picking a random number between 1 and 3 was probably your best bet, but if you had an actual method of deciding this, i'd love to hear it, because anyone who can judge my intelligence based on one karma-whoring post i made is truly a wise man indeed. If you've noticed, the /. community did rate that post a +5, funny. So, in my attempt to whore up all the karma i could, i succeeded with flying colors. I would imagine that one's ability to adapt thought/speech patterns in such a way to make people find their posts strikingly amusing (as many people obviously did, based on my score... what was your score again? Oh yes, 0... big goose egg, sorry for reminding you) I guess my point is that you can show anything you want to any cognitive psychologist in the world, but one simple fact will always remain true: people find vulgarity amusing. If this wasn't true, eminem wouldn't be selling records, and people wouldn't watch the HBO comedy series. In case you're dying to know, the last time i had a psychologist administered IQ test a couple years ago, it was in the 140's. I want to say 146, but I don't want to give you false information that would discredit my argument. So, I'll just stick to the facts and say "at least 140." So why don't you go tell your cognitive psychologist friend to go find a new job, because the one (s)he currently has is obviously not right for him/her. Maybe (s)he should try being a street musician, because people will give money to street musicians whether they can play or not because they pity them. That way your cognitive psycologist friend can bullshit their way through their job -- much like they do now, and not suffer negative consequences.
and now that i've got your attention, why don't you go outside and play hide and go fuck yourself?
see, vulgarity IS funny!
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I'd be curious to see how much it'd fetch on Ebay. And I shall be most disappointed if Jar-Jar manages to survive...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
>And the digital film whoever is pushing to >Hollywood is actually worst than film. Hollywood
>has already replaced 70mm/3D/VistaVision with now
>standard less 35mm. I don't want them to go even
>lower quality unless they lower the ticket price.
Bullshite.
I've been fortunate enough to have been able to see BOTH the analog film print AND the digital projection of the SAME MOVIE. Last fall, when Toy Story 2 came out, I was liveing in Orlando, Florida. I saw TS2 the second night of its release at a theatre near my home. EXCELLECT movie!!!
Not long after, I learned that the AMC Theaters at Downtown Disney/Pleasure Island had a digital projection rig and was showing Toy Story 2 there. Well, I wasted little time in setting up a night to go down to Disney/AMC with some friends to dee the digital version OF THE SAME MOVIE.
Now, for some months before Roger Ebert had been trashing the computer industry and telling his readers and anyone who would listen that digital video/movies was complete crap. He was hypeing some new camera/projector/film rig that would play conventional film at variable speeds (up to double the normal 24fps IIRC). So I went to Disney/AMC curious but not expecting to be overwhealmed. Ebert had, in the past, seemed to be a pretty good critic, turning out good reviews and articles. I had a fairly good respect for his opinion...
... until I saw Toy Story 2 in full, unadulterated digital glory!
I was astounded at how incredibly superior digital prooved to be over analog film. It was a PERFECT image, not even a hint of focus problems. NO SCRATCHES!!! No digital artifacts that I could see. Perfect sound in perfect sync with the video. Sharper image with NO JITTER!!! It was, in all ways, a drasticly superior motion picture expierence to film.
My respect for Ebert dropped DRAMATICLLY after that. I wonder if he owns an intrest in the company that makes those spiffy new film projectors he's pushing?
Not only do I applaud George Lucal for going all digital for Episode II, I look forward to the day when all studios do so for all movies. Hopefully, Episode II will hasten that move, and the obsolescent crap will be dead and buried sooner rathar than later.
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Has anybody ever heard of projection system that played film back at anything other than 24fps? I know old 8mm and Super 8 were slower (16fps?), but are there/have there been attempts at pushing it up past 30 or higher? I know there's no reason why you couldn't do this, but the payoff might be pretty weak compared to the extra headache and expense of higher film and maintenance costs.
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RTFJ.
"No advanced story lines given"
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Right, there are probably no advanced story lines, judging from episode 1 !
This reliance on digital effects as a replacement for models is exactly what I have hated about both Episode One and the digitally-touched re-releases of the previous films. Jabba the Hut looked much more real to me in puppet form than he has as a digital, clean, shiny computer jabba. For me, the most visually pleasing parts from the original series involve gritty models with the infinite texture you can only get with something built in real life.
So in other words, what made Episode One suck, will make Episode Two suck even worse. Plus, obviously, Lucas no longer cares about the chemistry that two actors can develop through their interaction in a scene; if you cut up parts of scenes, throw in a bunch of digital characters, and expect it to have emotional impact, you're dreaming.
I am allowed to criticize you: you are not allowed to criticize me. Sorry, that's just how things are.
Now I can be disappointed ahead of schedule...
Secondly, while switching to digital might prevent the problems with film that you describe, it will introduce new problems of its own. For one thing, these new micro-mirror devices from TI have the potential problem of developing "dead" pixels -- that is, pixels that just sit there and don't respond any more. After a few years, a typical projector might expect to have a few of these dead pixels here and there, and they'll be present on every frame of every movie shown using that projector from then on. The only way to fix it will be to replace the entire micro-mirror array, which costs an arm and a leg to begin with. I doubt theaters will go to the trouble. If a digital projector develops a few dead pixels, they'll just say "oh, well" and leave it.
Also, with digital projectors, the resolution is fixed. Once you install it, that's it. If you want more resolution, you'll have to get a whole new machine. With film, every time there is an improvement in film stocks, you automatically get an upgrade in quality, without having to change the projector at all.
Furthermore, many people are (incorrectly) assuming that digital projectors will be maintainence-free, so they will simply not hire projectionists any more, which means that if the projector develops problems, they will not fix it. And don't tell me they won't have problems, I've seen enough screwed up video projectors in meeting rooms and sports bars to know that's bull. Whether it's electronic or mechanical, a projector will still need regular attention from someone who knows what they're doing.
Lastly, the problems you describe with film are solvable. For one thing, if theatersr would start using FilmGuard (you have to click on the "cleaning" link at the bottom of the page I linked to), they would have a lot fewer problems with dirt and scratches than they do now. And if you want to see an example of good film handling, just go to your local IMAX theater. They usually keep their films running great for months and sometimes years without any excessive dirt or scratches. Take "Fantasia 2000". I went to see that just a couple of weeks ago, and the film looked brand-new! And last weekend, I went to a theater that was still showing "Gladiator" after all this time, and it still looked pretty good (hardly and dirt or scratches at all). So, it is possible to keep film looking great throughout its use, it just takes a little care and some proper equipment. I think theaters would do better to invest in those things rather than replace all the projectors with $250,000 video projectors with 1280x1024 resolution, but hey, that's just my opinion.
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I must say, it took them long enough to shoot the three scenes that won't be completely computer animated...now the real work begins :)
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Actually, an awful lot of "Hollywood" films are shot and put together in the UK.
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but then again, commenting on a katz story is almost as self-serving as the katz story itself. -tensionboy
Even when the box office numbers are adjusted for inflation/ticket price increases, Episode 1 is #2 behind Titanic.
They had some bootleg stuff for a few hours last week, but it disappeared. I guess the Skywalker lawyers got to them quickly.
Yeah, it was an annoying voice. But that doesn't make it racist.
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I have yet to figure out what all of the so-called "Star Wars Fans" out there have against Jar-Jar. The complaint i've heard most often about him, is that he was an ineffectual character, who served little more purpose than mild comic relief, and had no place in the Star Wars "theocracy".
I'm not sure if any of you who see it this way have actually ever *seen* the original Star Wars movies, but, they're full of humour. In fact, i'd sooner classify them as Sci-Fi Comedies than Action movies.
If anybody has any *real*, serious, and sane commentary on why Jar-Jar is considered to be a "lame" character, i'd love to hear it..
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Because no movie with subtitles has done well in the US market since sound? Come on, Star Wars is space opera. Its antecedents are more like Flash Gordon than Louis Wu.Yoda just sounded like a drunk Menonite.
Personally, I was offended by R2D2. Would you have me believe they couldn't find a real shop vac to play the part?
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His character was supposed to be clueless and not so skilled at face-to-face communication. Perfect role!
Because no movie with subtitles has done well in the US market since sound? Come on, Star Wars is space opera. Its antecedents are more like Flash Gordon than Louis Wu.
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Oh yeah, I'm sure that's what was going though their minds when they wrote the script. 'Hey guys, if the aliens speak an alien language, or we have to use subtitles, the movie will bomb!'
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Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
2) Lucas would have to be a MORON not to learn from all the criticism the first movie got (and deserved).
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Lucas was reported as saying "What Criticism? Episode I did GREAT! And Episode II will have even MORE of the stuff that made Episode I such an incredible movie.
Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
I agree, AMC sucks. Some theater chains are better than others, but the overall quality has gone down over the last 10 years, and AMC started the trend. They purposely avoid hiring anyone who is trained as a projectionist, to avoid having to pay for their skills. That way they save money, while screwing the customer out of quality. Naturally, most of the other theater chains have followed suit.
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Early release would be unlikely, as they usually pick a weekend (Memorial Day, 4th of July) to roll it out for maximum bucks. Likely, Lucas will use more time to do other things.
GL: Let's do two Jar-Jars!
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Did anyone else catch that 2 second sceen from the Movie DUNE in the trailer? The sceen where the Harkonens are retaking Arrakis and are bombing the walls. Look closely!
Hmmm.
I suspect what you say, re: low quality (ie. a true low resolution that's been upsampled to get the 1920x1080, MPEG2 compression and 24fps fixed framerate), is true.
Which I'm afraid leads me to just one conclusion: Lucus has given up on movie theatre experiences, and is targeting this for home DVD playback.
See, it *used* to be that movie-makers made movies with movie-screen dimensions and qualities in mind. That the movie would also be on video was just happy conincidence.
I suspect that in this case, the movie-maker (Lucas) is making the movie with NTSC television and DVD in mind. Seeing it on the big screen is just happy coincidence.
From what I understand, a number of directors now frame shots to be compatible with television format, to avoid letterboxing or pan-and-scan when the movie goes to video.
But this would be the first time a director has chosen the recording media to be compatible with tv, by sacrificing the quality of the big screen.
There's no hope for Hollywood. It ain't art, it ain't storytelling: it's just cash greed. Of course, what's new about that?
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Okay links first then comments: Fake trailer for Episode II
Well for those die hards out there, this is something I found a few weeks ago. If you have seen it before, watch it again, its cool. If not then grab quicktime and get some popcorn.
Fake .sig
I saw 5 because of the said friend, but I actually liked it. And suddenly I liked 4 too. Suddenly there was a big civil war, with ancient mysteries and halucenations. And the good guys were losing?
I went out and got 6 the same day. This one was even better! There were twins seperated at birth and evil people who aren't really that evil. It was like a stupid soap opera, but for some reason it worked. Since then I've read all the SW books and some of the comics.
So anyway I wasn't that dissapointed by E1 since I liked it more than I liked E4 at first. I think it actually had better developed characters. I think I'll like 1 as soon as 2 and 3 come out.
Actually, I think the difference between film and video is a lot more obvious than the difference between CDs and vinyl.
Aside from resolution, one of the biggest differences between film and video is in how they capture light. Film has a logarithmic brightness curve, meaning that it takes four times as much light to get twice as much brightness recorded on the film. Video, on the other hand, has a linear, one-to-one brightness response. Now, guess which one more closely responds to the human eye? That's right, it's film!
The difference is so important that when digital effects started to become prevalent in movies, Kodak invented a special file format called Cineon for holding film data that measures the intensity of each color component on a 10-bit logarithmic scale. Many digital effects for movies are done using that format.
Another difference is with blooming. "Blooming" refers to when part of a picture is overexposed, and it bleeds into the surrounding area. On film, this produces a look that is again very similar to what happens in your eye when it sees something that is overwhelmingly bright. Used properly, blooming on film can produce a very pleasing asthetic look. Video, on the other hand, doesn't have blooming. Instead, what happens is that it gets "clamped", or cut off at some maximum value when it gets too bright. There is none of the nice look where the brightness seeps into the surrounding areas, giving video a very clean, sterile look. Sure, some people have come up with post-processing filters to simulate film blooming in digital video, but so far, the results I've seen are unconvincing. It still looks like video.
Those two factors produce such a big difference that right now, I can still instantly recognize video as video and film as film. Maybe someday in the next few years, someone will come up with a video camera that captures light on a logarithmic scale and at 4000x3000 pixel resolution, and then we can throw away the film cameras, but until that day comes, I think movies should continue to be shot on film.
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the LORD should stop being so utterly intolerant and irrelevent. Atheism forever, lol.
Note:This post is not meant to hurt anyone's feelings. If they get hurt the LORD will fix them, won't he?
But seriously, I think this is going to be better than Episode I for two reasons.
I KNOW it will for one reason.
The return of Boba Fett.
Hey, he's the only character in the Star Wars universe that *I* identify with...
Actually the film will mostly be a computer generated cartoon.
The "actors" will be overlayed with the better looking computer generated beings.
Mostly what was shot was background to put the cartoons on.
But, this "all digital" film will only be sold on magnetic video tape.
I don't think Lucasfilm just do the work and then sit back for 3 months waiting for it to render. They probably parallelize these tasks somewhat, so faster rendering boxes wouldn't make a huge difference - it's the man-hours, not the compute-hours.
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Does anybody out there know enough about big-budget Hollywood to be able to accurately say how much money Lucas is saving by going digital? I'm guessing you could shave 25-30% off the cost of production, and probably speed up post too.
Plus: maybe using digital makes "film"makers more willing to take directorial risks, since you don't have to worry about the cost of cameras and film/tape. One question, though: will there be a digital equivalent to the Super-high speed cameras they use for extreme slow motion shots? I mean, how fast can you make shutter on a digital camera?
"Which I'm afraid leads me to just one conclusion: Lucus has given up on movie theatre experiences, and is targeting this for home DVD playback."
Why shouldn't he? This is what I get at a movie theater:
1 - Waiting in line to buy a ticket from some dipshit teenager with so little ambition he can't even find a decent job at a video game store.
2 - $8.00 Tickets, unless I want to go to an afternoon matinee and have the movie ruined by hundreds of screaming children.
3 - Having any whispered dialogue ruined by the asshole three rows up that thinks a beeping pager makes him look important, and didn't just leave his in the car like the rest of us.
4 - Overpriced, crappy food.
5 - Cramped seats that don't give me enough room to stretch my legs out, causing my knees to ache the next day.
6 - No beer.
7 - The sound will either be:
They all speak English for the same reason that most war movies have the Germans speaking English -- I don't speak German. Even with subtitles, there are no nuances.
I do recall one production that actually ran with this. It was mini-series about a German army unit, and all the actors spoke with British accents. The accents, however, were chosen to correspond with the characters social standing, so that Colonel von Whatever sounded like an English aristocrat and Corporal Shutlz was Cockney.
And Christ, give the actors a break. You're effectively asking them to give a compelling performance in two hours of mime, only worse because they'll have to speak gibberish all the time.
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First of all, the animators appeared to feel that a CGI character couldn't look real unless it fidgeted. In Jar Jar's case, though, this made him look like he had about twelve nervous tics going at once. His attempts at "humor" were, at best, unimpressive, cutesy slapstick. At worst, they were offensive. His lines were either cloying or stupid, and his dopey silliness was a horrible distraction from the plot, which wasn't particularly interesting to begin with.
However, the not-so-very-subtle racist undertones were what did it in for me. Stepin Fetchit wasn't funny then, and certainly isn't funny now. The difference between the humor evident in IV-VI and the humor we saw in I is that one set is witty/funny, and the other isn't.
Films where you're thinking "what the hell is going on" are extremely rare - 2001 and Total Recall spring to mind. But these are masterpieces of illusion (notably, Total Recall is based on a Philip K. Dick story and he's known for making you wonder what the hell is going on ;)
Even as a five-year-old watching A New Hope I wasn't wondering what was going on. I had a totally different emotion then - the same emotion I had when watching The Matrix for the first time - which is, "THIS IS FUCKING COOL".
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He wrote books and books about getting the (7) proper zones of light into every frame. If you've ever tried zone photography you know just how unfun, unspontaneous, and inorganic it really is.
I suppose the same could really be said what Lucas is doing with movies. He's starting with a whole bunch of potentially crappy hurried shots and then tweaking the hell out of them in the digital darkroom. If Ansel were shoooting today he'd surely be tempted to use the same digital technology to fuck with shots that Lucas is. One of the reasons that there are very few color Ansel prints is that he never felt that he could express the light properly in a color medium. I think that with a digital approach we'd be seeing all sorts of (crappy) color Ansel landscapes.
This isn't a defense of Lucas as much as it is a condemnation of Ansel... I think that both of their approaches really ruin their respective art forms.
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You seem to have missed something in your own argument. Star Wars is a *kids movie!* Lucas has said so in the past, he said so for the last film. There is absolutely no redeeming mature themes whatsoever in *any* of the films. These movies should have been rated G if not for the violence.
Now, you believe that since you were a kid when these movies were released, you somehow have some manner of claim on them, and Lucas should cater to your tastes. BZZT Wrong. The original three were kids movies, the prequels are kids movies. Live with it. Lucas is not making these films for you.
Maybe you should write the next Star Wars script?
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I'd rather see them act it out.
Withdrawal before climax is very ineffective and those who try this are usually called "parents."
Not to rehash any "Starwars sucks" discussions, but I think that those of us who grew up watching Starwars are a little more mature, and we expect more mature things from a film.
To this end, IMHO I believe the Matrix trilogy will be the new Star Wars. At least it will be for me.
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So is Annakin Luke's father then?
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If it is totally digital and has Natalie Portman in it then I can a;lsdakjv..capture andkda;k adsa;ofi remodela; ddoihjunyvg v (excuse me, I have to go log-off now).
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Wow, you'd think I was the only one who liked the movie, and liked Jar-jar as well. I think it boils down to people who over analyze things are never going to enjoy stories for the stories themselves. What, there are maybe 10 or so basic storylines? If you can't enjoy the details, too bad. Maybe we need to send you to remedial suspension of disbelief class.
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Alas, I've tried that, but he just didn't seem to fit in my life in that regard. Maybe there is another way. It's so frustrating trying to become a christian when there are so few people willing to help you turn your life over to Jesus.
and the reason i refuse ot see it:
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-Kriticism
-PARANOIA is fun. D20 is not fun. The Computer says so.
-The Computer
>> StarWars episode II, as yet untitled film, has wrapped up shooting ahead of shedule.
>They were shooting it in England?
Yes.
But in UK English, "schedule" is spelt "schedule", we just don't pronounce the K. See also "Shweppes" the makers of the tonic water...
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Star Wars didn't need a fart gag.
Star Wars didn't need a stepping in crap gag.
Star Wars: Episode 1 didn't need to be targeted at the "under 10" audience.
If Episode 2 is also targeted at the under 10 audience, none of the children who were 8-10 to see episode 1 will be the apropriate age to appreciate episode 2 when it comes out.
Episodes 4 - 6 were at least vaguely intelligent, with usefull stories. Episode 1 was not - and Jar Jar was a big part of that.
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> I'm not sure if any of you who see it this way have actually ever *seen* the original Star Wars movies, but, they're full of humour.
Sure... but what's that got to do with JJ?
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You are so right
In the previous series you could alway count on princes Leia. There was a certain tension between the Princess, Han and Luke. In Episode I, the queen Amidala should have fallen in and out of love with someone and thus seemingly damaging the alliance.
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Wouldn't it be really cool if Darth Maul came back? Even cooler if only the top half of him returned from the dead.
Think Taco Bell cup topper.
I think Radiohead's "OK Computer" is an album that will stand the test of time.
I totally agree with you. Perhaps it will be the kind of album that in 20 years, everyone will talk about having owned, instead of the current state of things, where most of the world goes "isn't that that 'creep' band?"
OK COMPUTER was a revolutionary album. It's really worth buying, it's really worth listening to. From beginning to end.
I like albums where the whole thing from beginning to end is a satisfying journey, rather than albums that are just a bunch of songs.
(Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon)
(Sting - Soul Cages)
(Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique)
(Jane's Addiction - Ritual De Lo Habitual)
(Red Hot Chili Peppers - Blood Sugar Sex Magik)
-The Reverend
-The Reverend (I am not a Nazi nor a Troll)
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> The return of Boba Fett.
So what's with the Boba Fettish? I mean, I really like his cool hoplite helmet, but I never understood why he's so popular and why he plays such a prominent role in so many plot speculations.
Any explanations would be appreciated.
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I think perspective is what is needed here. Lucas' audience is young children. While adults have liked many of the starwars films, that was accidental (or incidental?).
Lucas succeeded with ep one. Kids love it. It made insane amounts of money because of kids. Sure I think starwars ep one could have been a great multi generational movie, or even just not a kids movie, but that isn't what lucas wants to do...so we just have to byte the bullet and know that crap like jar jar is gonna be in it. If we don't like it, well it doesn't matter to lucas.
What the hell does focus have to do with being digital? Both digital and film projectors have lenses, and they both can be either in or out of focus.
Because this thing was a prototype and they had a lot of money invested in it, they had an army of technicians come by and set it up to make sure all the shows went smoothly. After all, TI has been going around giving these projectors away in order to get publicity for their DLP stuff. They didn't want bad publicity, so they were careful to make sure the equipment was perfectly tuned.
On the other hand, theaters have been through so much cost-cutting and anti-union crap over the past couple of decades that they no longer have any expertise in proper film projection. AMC in particular is very bad about that. "We don't hire 'projectionists' here" is the line you'll get. And they don't train the people they do hire, either. That's why you see shutter-gate error, bad focus, scratches, and dirt. All of these problems can be solved through proper equiment and handling, it's just that the theater chains don't want to spend the money to do it.
So essentially, what you did was compare the best digital projection to the worst film projection. Is that really fair?
The quality problems in movie theaters today are due almost entirely to sloppiness. This will not be fixed by converting to digital projectors. When the same teenagers who don't know or care about quality start running the digital projectors, they will be rife with problems, just like the film projectors. You think just because something's digital that it can't be screwed up? Haven't you ever gone into an electronics store and seen a TV or home theater system that was completely misconfigured and poorly adjusted? Haven't you ever seen a video projector in a conference room or a sports bar that was so out of whack it was unwatchable? I know I have. I don't have any illusions about digital "fixing" the problems with bad movie presentation today.
By the way, I have seen both the film and the "digital" versions of TS2, too, and I was not that impressed. Yes, the digital vesion was nice and bright and steady, but no more so than a properly done (emphasis on properly) film projection. Meanwhile, the resolution was just terrible. Those TI DLP-based projectors have so far been limited to just 1280x1024 resolution. That's simply not enough for a big movie screen. I could see the individual pixels if I sat more than halfway forward in the theater, and it wasn't even that big a theater, either. Film beats that any day.
That said, I think the digital stuff has potential, but I would like to see it improve before it goes into theaters. I also hope that people come to realize that it is not maintainence-free. Theaters will still need projection specialists to check up on things and make sure they are properly calibrated.
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Die hard fans of "Insert fiction here" are deathly fanatical.
Sifi fans are smart fanatics.. often in the high tech industry. Just a statistical look odds are good Bill Gates as a sifi fan (If true I doupt he'd be a hard core fanatic.. the only thing he seems fanatic about is his own company and his own famally.. and the latter mostly a guess).
With a considerable amout of potentally wealthy sifi fanatics the price of something so hard to find as say the script for an as-yet-unreleased film would run pritty dang high...
(If it's on e-bay it's probably a hoax.. if it's not the guy is an idiot)
Yeah.. a peace of god... they'll pay...
I don't actually exist.
No, Luke's father is in fact an Ewok.
You trolls need to find something more productive to do with all that creative energy. Maybe you should write the next Star Wars script? (probably do better than Lucas)
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8145ph3my! If I abandoned my trolldom, it sure as hell wasn't for Taco. It was sheer 14z1n355. So there.
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Ansel was in the (unfortunate?) position of being the leader of an emerging artform. How many people before him became famous as a photographer? How many people after him? I think in some ways he abused this position in the books that he wrote on how one should take pictures. Zone photography worked for him, fine. But that's no reason for photography instructors years and years later (not that he's to blame) to say "This is the way you take pictures if you want them to come out 'right'." But, then again, I think fewer people would treat it as the photography serman on the mount if he hadn't presented it as such.
Going back to Lucas, he's in the same sort of position. He defined SciFi movies that actually made people money. I don't think it's a good thing if all of a sudden people stop experimenting with how they make SciFi movies, just because Lucas was wildly successful in his approach (eg. taking a bunch of potentially crappy shots anf fixing them later with digital technology).
That said, I too would love to see what Ansel would have done in the digital medium. I don't think we'd see him carrying around a Mavica, but he sure as hell would be using a high end slide scanner, and I'm sure that some of those KPT filters would have tempted him at some point...
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. -- Oscar Wilde
BTW It won't be shocking to me if Palpatine isn't Darth Sidious, but is recruited in this film. Seems like Yoda and Mace Windu would have noticed that a sith was less than 10 feet away
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You know, I didn't even *like* Episode I all that much--wooden acting, Jar-Jar, etc.--and yet I practically creamed my shorts the moment I read the headline. Sad. Just. . .sad. Is there a 12-step program I can enroll in?
StarWars episode II, as yet untitled film, has wrapped up shooting ahead of shedule.
They were shooting it in England?
But seriously, I think this is going to be better than Episode I for two reasons. One, I heard Lucas quoted as saying that Ep2 will be the darkest Star Wars yet, darker than Empire. And two, knowing that Jar Jar will be in it, my expectations couldn't be any lower -- at this point I can only be pleasantly surprised.
Oh come on. The only problem I've seen with Adams is the fact that his crappiest work is the only stuff you can ever seem to find. The good stuff is either impossible to find or when you do find it it's expensive as hell (ex: posters costing $100 a freaking poster!). I agree that a some of his work isn't all it's cracked up to be. Like the pictures of aspen trees (which used the zone photography to a huge degree). But some of them are wonderful. I would like to see what Adams could have done with a digital medium.
As for taking lots of pictures, I'm a little sceptical of that. Considering how much film cost in his time and the fact that he usually shot at a F/65 exposure (takes forever) I don't think he just blew through the film.
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Toy Story 2 - Digitally created from the start. No cameras, no transfer.
Of course Toy Story 2 looked better when you saw it on the digital system. It had to be transferred to a less-perfect medium (35mm film) to show it in a conventional theater. With less control over the conditions (film is more susceptible to dust, wear, heat, etc.), variable speed (those motors aren't perfect) and variable light in the projector.
You can't fairly draw a comparison here.
After reading about the sexy encounter with the mechanic, I realized that my feelings of emptiness might subside if I were to let Jesus into my life. I have thought about doing this for years now, and have tried various ways to let him into my life, but unfortunately I have never been successful. Perhaps you could help me accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior?
I believe he has a part, but it's kinda hard to change the main hero of a movie. It's hard enough to change a member of the supporting cast.
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Both Keanu and Stallone are good actors, when they keep their mouths shut.
Last night I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas I'll never know.
Why should he have learned any lessons? Because you, personally, didn't like it? Episode 1 was the second highest grossing movie of all time. What lessons are there to learned from that, from a capitalistic point of view, other than to give people more of the same?
Unfortunately, those aren't the lessons he learned. Here's the real lessons from episode I
- Hard-core fans don't matter. They will bitch and moan about how lousy the movie is while they stand in line to see it a seventh time.
- Kids liked jar-jar. Children far too young to be "normal" Star Wars fans have been demending to see that movie over and over, getting their parents to buy tons of merchandise.
- Story line doesn't matter. Put in enough special effects and you have a blockbuster.
I think we can count on Lucas ignoring what the fans say - it's not like they are going to boycott. Lucas is going to focus on drawing in other people - little kids who want to see cute critters, young women looking for an Anikin and Amidala love story, action movie junkies looking for more special effects than plot, etc.I know I'm part of the problem. EpII will suck, but I will see it opening night (and a few other times). I'd pay to see it even if it just turned out to be two hours of George Lucas laughing at all the people who wasted money to see his movies.
umm... what about this story, posted here in mid-august?
or was that just an unfounded rumor? i know lucas denied it, but wouldn't you deny it too?
doing a few searches shows several "fan scripts" for episode 2.
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I think Lucas thought he could just throw in some semi-ok script with great spec-effects and the whole world would fall over themselves to see this movie. In this day, when character depth and plot twists, Lucas gives us one sided characters, as well as one sided good guys/bad guys. This is why I liked Tie Fighter (the game); you saw the 'bad guys' as people trying to bring order to the galaxy. The rebels were just trying to destroy that order.
who would steal a script and then make it known to everyone that they were trying to sell it for $100,000?
on that note, for 100,000 big ones, that mofo better cook me breakfast, suck my cock and sing the star spangled banner for me. That's ridiculous.
on the subject of jar-jar, i think i know how this should go...
STAR WARS, EPISODE TWO: DIE GUNGAN BITCH!
The movie begins with Yoda , Anakin, and Jar-Jar in a room discussing the status quo. Anakin is visably pissed
Yoda: Anakin, you must not have hatred in your heart, for lead you to the dark side, that will!
Anakin: But master yoda, I FUCKING HATE JAR-JAR, and i'm going to kill him!
Jar Jar: Yousa say i'ma gonna die?
Anakin then unsheathes his light-sabre and rips jar-jar a new one, and jar jar dies.
Yoda: Kill jar jar you did! Relieved I am, but now Darth Vader you become!
Anakin: Small price to pay, bitch! Now i don't have to listen to that BITCH for the next 2 HOURS!
Yoda: Thank you! Complete your training has now become!
end scene 1
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Ya think they might release it earlier than they've set?
:)
I mean, consider the following:
-Computers at their disposal and the code used for high-end CG are definately better than for STE1;
-The camera work is done;
-Earlier release would probably make the fans very, very happy (or very, very pissed
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Since we are in a demoted line, i thought write down the thought that came to me; in Asimovs Foundation, in what i think was the second part, the title is "The Rise of The Merchant Princes" And it wasn't even bad :)
I have a woody right now.
Set in Fremont, a neighborhood of Seattle, in the not-so-distant future, we have the tale of Luke Trollwalker, a fire user extraordinare, who travels under the name of Luke McGuff disguised as a member of the Cirque de Flambe'.
In this Episode, Luke uses a flaming sword to kill Jar-Jar, a mutant creature which bears a striking resemblance to Yoda before he shrank. Upon killing Jar-Jar, we see that Luke has been transformed into the Dark Sith Lord Bill Gates.
Bill G, before succumbing fully to the dark side of the Fire, marries his sweetheart, who happens to be one of his VPs. She has two kids and seems to be unaware of the encroaching overlay of the dark side on Bill G's once sunny personality, but wakes up when he sets Larry Ellison's mansion on fire. She escapes to Burning Man, where the dark side cannot see her, and raises the children.
Coming soon to a multiplex near you.
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- Does anyone know if Natalie Portman will be reprising her role as the young Princess Leia?
- If Luke already met Obi-Wan as a nine year old, why didn't he recognize him in Episode IV?
- Wouldn't it be really cool if Darth Maul came back? Even cooler if only the top half of him returned from the dead.
- Will the evolution of Mace Windu into Darth Vader occur in Episode II, or will Spielburg wait until Episode III?
I'm definitely posting this as AC, so why not go for broke? Beowulf cluster hotgrits goatpr0n beowulf CmdrTaco Gary Coleman.Oh well, I'll be there opening night.
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So is Luke going to be in this one? I spent the entire first film waiting for him.
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Not if I can get a bootleg MPEG and post it on Slashdot!
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