I agree with Microsoft on piracy becouse Microsoft dose sell Windows as they have a right to. But just as Microsoft has a right to protect and control the code and services they provide AoL has exactly the same right. They can at whim change IM. Microsoft is just getting pissy becouse SOMEONE ELSE has a monopoly and they don't like it. If Microsoft wants an open standard maybe they should make one themselfs. Port to Linux, MacOs, Palm Pilot, Commodore 64.. my watch... you get the idea:) Personally I'd like to see a ytalk proxy server set up... No need to make new software just support the old software allready in place. Thankfully this IS just two mega giants yelling at each other. Nothings going to happen. Anyway if IM dropped off the face of the earth I wouldn't care one bit.
I suspect the palm money is just a refrence to a central bank file where the money accually is. In a sence your palm becomes a really expensive ATM card... only you can shoot a file off so someone else can pull some money out of your bank.
If your palm breaks you can just void your palm money.. It also means you can not run to the store and buy a new palm... have to run to the bank first... void palm money.. withdrawl money... get new palm.. get new palm money...
It also leaves some room for crackers to forge your palm codes and withdrawl more money from your bank than they should...
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Some people have no sence of hummor... However.. note he got modded up to..
People might (like he did) take the joke out of context and think this is accually likely...
It's funny and a cool joke but not realistic.. I still have images of a a crook fidling with a knife and a plam..
"In todays news a would be mugger went to the hospital when he accadentally stabbed himself during a mugging attempt when he couldn't get the palm working"
It might be easyer if they just steal your palm... Then you go on the internet have your plan voded and the next time the crook trys to use it you get your palm back:)
A sillyness note... some doom sayers think we'll have to have 666 stammped on our palms in order to do busness.. I just can't get the image out of my mind that "The beast" refers to larg Unix servers in stores and the palm with 666 is a palm pilot set world accessable [chmod 666] The number of the Unix beast:)
I was rased by my mother after the devorce... My mother didn't care what I watched on TV or what I saw on BBSes. BBS porn didn't bother her one bit. What did worry her was the wood burnning kit my father left me. She respected his wishes that I should have it but she would lock it up when she wasn't around so I couldn't hurt myself.
Now if parents want to lock up a computer they could use a system password to keep the computer from booting up or just lock the keyboard with a keyboard lock. Maybe both just to make shure the kid dosn't hack the password or run the computer entirely by mouse.
Or just take the power supply to the modem with them to work.
The TV is a bit harder... Maybe instead of V chips TVs should have key locks. Lock the TV and it can not be turnned on even by remote control. Such a lock would only cost $5.
I believe every home with teen agers should have phone locks. Even if the parents ARE around all the time.
Accually I think there are better ways to rase a kid than to issolate them from the world but I'm not out to tell anyone HOW to rase there kids just that if they can't expect the world to do it for them.
I ment that if/when someone sues Microsoft the open source community should be in support of Microsoft instead of the normal Microsoft bashing.. Becouse if/when someone sues Microsoft for bugs then the Linux comunity will be next on the list.
Reputation aside Microsoft has a lot of money and that more than anything will attract lawsutes. RedHat and other such companys are also easy targets... once people see money in it...
My origianl post was a tad slanderous of Microsoft.. That wasn't a smart thing to do...
One side says the Bible is being pushed on those who don't want it and the other side says it's being taken away from those who want it. The sad truth is both are correct. We pass laws all the time that force people to live by the morals of the christan religion yet we ban all other aspects of this religion. It's hypocritcal.
Basicly I can ware a cross anyplace I like but no other religous symbol. However I can read any religous text any place I like as long as it's not the Bible. Of course I can't pray in any relgion any place becouse someone will be offended and I can't use religously nutral language becouse someone might be offended. I kinda gave up the whole thing put on my pentigram and carryed my Bible where ever I please and let people get bent when an evil Pagan is reading the Bible at starbucks.
I'd never have the balls to do that. Of course I'm an asshole... I'd pay a lawyer to take my kids. If I had eather (No lawyer no kids).. But it is comming down to that. If I want to rase my own kids my way I'll have to retain a legal firm to do it. Well I'm pritty shure Bill Gates will be a good father and sue every asshole who trys to rase his kid for him. [I allwase loved the "bad guy becomes the herro" consept] Nuke em all man..... Just blow them away...
The target market of those filters are parents who can not be bothered to keep an eye on there kids. Thies parents need to watch what there kids are seeing/doing instead of expecting the world/internet/tv to rase them. I encurage filters to block my page even though I have vagely adult matereal. I've got no problems with the idea of keeping immature types away from my pages. Saves me a lot of headakes and I am free to put up what I want and say what I feal. Being blocked by adult filters from my prospective is a wonderful thing. No need for disclammers or warnnings for those who arn't mature enough to handle what I have to say.
It's also a good thing for the world at larg... I'm freqently wrong... a person who believes everything that person reads dosn't need to read what I have to say. When you read my pages consider the source I'm not giving information I'm giving my opinion nothing more nothing less and I should allwase be seen for that. So I say block me.. keep the brats away... If your not mature enough to surf free of restrictions then your not mature enough to surf my pages.. end of story...
I hate to admit it.. Microsoft isn't all bad. Heres an example... if lawyers start suing for security flaws Microsoft is going to be a big fat jucy target. If/When that happends instead of our normal "Ewww Microsoft evil" and "crush the evil overlord" type stuff we should be supportive of Microsoft.. After all if Microsoft loses were next....
I feal all the IM clients are dead anyway. I want AoL to win becouse it's AoLs property. AoL can change the protocal they use ANY TIME THEY WANT. It wasn't nessisarly a smart move on AoLs part.. Still Microsoft is in no position to call for standards.
There is a diffrence... a very small one... SMS is made to be an admin tool... the fact that it can be abused is an oversite... BO2K is made to be abused the fact that it is an admin tool just shows how sereous the situation is.
cDc set out to rase awareness and they have done that.
It's not like Windows is the only operating system with holes you could drive a truck through.. Mearly that Microsoft pretends they don't exist...
The news media has turnned from providing information to entertainment. It's not about news anymore but about selling... There is plenty of real news going on. Read/. and you'll see a lot of it. Instead they want to talk about famous people who died becouse it sells.
The news has gone tabloid and now I get my news from/.:) pritty sad hu
[When I took a class on running for office they told me to do what I'm about to do] The question isn't how do back doors get into the code but how to get them OUT!!!
True open source means more people can put back doors into code however back doors are a tradition of closed source software nothing about closed source keeps it from happening.
Open source however has very few back doors compared to closed source becouse it is easyer to locate and remove back doors when you have the source code. In closed source even if you do discover a back door you can not remove it short of not using the infected program anymore.
Also open source means you can remove "features" that create security opennings you could drive a truck through. Lacking this ability you have to set strange or crazy policys such as disguarding any e-mail with file attachments.
The only way to make shure your code has no back doors is make shure none of the code is writen by a programmer.
The way it works is each cable company gets control of the local cable network. Unless they LET someone compeate with them you have no choice. Normally the only way you can change your cable company is to move into the service area of your cable provider of choice.
Even if someone is allowed to compeate it's only becouse the primary cable company allows it so in a sence even then there is a monopoly. Do it our way or we won't let you provide service.
Think about how it would be if everyone had to strike a deal with Microsoft to make operating systems. Thats basicly what you have with cable companys.
Looks like it's time for someone to do "Space Balls 2: two balls in space"
or "Hardware wars 2: Aibo fetch the ball"
I want Darth Vaders tromenting Ball.. with out the needle... those things get me nervous.. Or Phantasum balls... Yes I'm sadistic... I want world conquest...
And I want to lauch balls on Gateway "Get those Amigas on the market" and Del "Go back to making Unix boxes".... I don't want to launch them on Bill Gates however... he's to stubborn.. they'd just kill him and I don't want him dead.. I want him to suffer... What os dose his house run? Windows... hmmmmm muahahaha yeah thats suffering enough for me....
No... WinAibos.. thats suffering... Wops your dog forgot who you are again....
Do they have IRs? I could network them with Linux on my desktops IR or on a Palm pilot... A few antigravs and make em work here.. 3 Aibos.. 9 space balls... controlled vea wearable.. with a Sony display... ohh the technology is comming... Will the 2ks be known as the age of the geek lords? "bow before me pesent... you failed to set your VCR clock... you must pay for your ignorence... go.. boot Windows.. or suffer the wrath of my space balls and Aibos of hell"
Oh enough... Theres just to much good matereal here...:)
Ok here we go... hit the Mpeg player button and... Loved the "extasy" comment... Budget for nicknames? "This time all of our equipment works" Ahh some Microsoft compatable hardware found there way into the Slashdot compound? Hacked to heck in post production...:) When "certen people" lost there reading glasses I have to blow up the screen using ctrl alt +... I think now I'll call that "pixles the size of fists mode"...
Me thinks Sony will need something more that "I love you" before they'll send you a screen... Threaton to do no more reviews if they don't give you the visor.
Ohhh more people who like to dance nakid in jello.. we need some detox group for that... Jello dancers annonomous...
On politics... Here is how that works.. they take a part of your brain when you run and if you win they take the rest... I lost.... I understand now a days they replace it with a Windows NT but I put in for the new Linux port for Politicians...
Jeff gets -1? Is that really nessisary [kissing up]
I'm having mpg3 tech problems but my box is hacked to heck and I usually have lots of problems
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a conspericy?
It started with the news media... I'm convenced the news has no leanings... none at all.. fiction and fact all have equal chance. Who cares what party it helps or whos agenda is uplifted as long as it sells.
Whats scarry is Bill Gates couldn't bribe a reporter to get it right.... a very bizzar world we live in....
Oh well... Long live the revlution... *BANG* *THUD*
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There is quite a bit of diffrence between a speed limit and taxing e-mail. Starting off with the point that this is just a myth. Considering the kind of stupid and outragous ideas that can be (and probably has been) preposed this seems mild. It is dead on arival.
Part of the point is valid. People would like to get rid of speed limits however they are in place for our safty. On the other hand there is such thing as being reasonable. A speed limit on walking would be an example of going overboard.
A tax on e-mail is NOT reasonable... The thankful reality is this kind of thing is DOA anyway.
Making specs public is an easy way to gain wide support quickly. On the other hand reverse engenearing hardware is very easy.
As wide support is easyer to hold on to once you have it than a monopoly on the specs it's logical to offer the specs.
In the past chip makers would liccens compeating chip makers to make there chips. This way companys can use there chips with out fear of the chip maker taking the down if the chip maker gose out of busness.
When you bet your busness on one company that company owns you. Even if Microsoft isn't going out of busness any time soon if you write software exclusivly for Windows your running the risk that Microsoft won't one day change Windows so your product dosn't work. Microsoft dosn't have to have an agenda they can do it as an honnest mistake.
By providing the specs drivers for Linux, BeOS and any other operating system that wants to use your product should be comming around the corner. Your market share increases and Microsoft dosn't own you. It's still wise to keep your Windows drivers up to date however.
www.timecity.org (BTW they could use more programmers) This could be intresting as the accuall project managment style can be used to do any larg project.
I think we could use it to put together some useful projects for improving Linux in some of it's weak areas.
Why do we ban exporting certen technologys anyway? Oh wow the evil bad guys will have to buy high tech hardware form China and France. Great lot of help that dose US.
Microsoft keeps making the "Text os is Obsolete" argument. This time it's Dr Dos is obsolete. It was explainned to me that (of those who acually chouse to use Windows) use it becouse it's a nice dos MULTITASKER not as a GUI but as an enhancment to a text os like Xfree. In the multitasker market Desview and Dr Dos compeat with Windows but in the GUI market it's Geoworks and DRIs GEM. The market showed little intrest in Geoworks and GEM. GEM died long before Microsoft could kill it and Geoworks found survival in early PDAs and cell phones. Desview and Windows battled for market share but Windows won. Sun Microsystems and other Unix venders survived where GUI venders died. Apple almost died. With so many GUIs dying off I find it hard to believe the market went to GUI operating systems. This isn't FUD as much as it is delusional. Bill Gates would have us believe he alone saw the value of GUIs and rushed to market when in reality Windows was a late arival.
Microsoft didn't push other GUIs off the market they did that themselfs. Windows should have died with them. Clearly the market didn't want a GUI they wanted Dos.. MsDos, PcDos, DrDos it didn't matter.
I don't buy the "expert" and "cost of retrainning" arguments. Un*x experts have been around for a long time.
The money you save in not trainning NT admin and not testing NT servers dosn't cover the losses caused by untrainned NT admin and badly configured NT servers.
The time and effort put into Linux is the secret behind reliable Linux servers.
The free beer argument holds up much better... Some times free beer is a bad thing...
In the end it's what works best for you... It was true a long time ago and it's true today...
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I agree with Microsoft on piracy becouse Microsoft dose sell Windows as they have a right to. :)
But just as Microsoft has a right to protect and control the code and services they provide AoL has exactly the same right. They can at whim change IM.
Microsoft is just getting pissy becouse SOMEONE ELSE has a monopoly and they don't like it.
If Microsoft wants an open standard maybe they should make one themselfs. Port to Linux, MacOs, Palm Pilot, Commodore 64.. my watch... you get the idea
Personally I'd like to see a ytalk proxy server set up... No need to make new software just support the old software allready in place.
Thankfully this IS just two mega giants yelling at each other. Nothings going to happen. Anyway if IM dropped off the face of the earth I wouldn't care one bit.
I suspect the palm money is just a refrence to a central bank file where the money accually is.
In a sence your palm becomes a really expensive ATM card... only you can shoot a file off so someone else can pull some money out of your bank.
If your palm breaks you can just void your palm money.. It also means you can not run to the store and buy a new palm... have to run to the bank first... void palm money.. withdrawl money... get new palm.. get new palm money...
It also leaves some room for crackers to forge your palm codes and withdrawl more money from your bank than they should...
Some people have no sence of hummor...
:)
:)
However.. note he got modded up to..
People might (like he did) take the joke out of context and think this is accually likely...
It's funny and a cool joke but not realistic..
I still have images of a a crook fidling with a knife and a plam..
"In todays news a would be mugger went to the hospital when he accadentally stabbed himself during a mugging attempt when he couldn't get the palm working"
It might be easyer if they just steal your palm...
Then you go on the internet have your plan voded and the next time the crook trys to use it you get your palm back
A sillyness note... some doom sayers think we'll have to have 666 stammped on our palms in order to do busness..
I just can't get the image out of my mind that "The beast" refers to larg Unix servers in stores and the palm with 666 is a palm pilot set world accessable [chmod 666]
The number of the Unix beast
Ok enough sillyness...
I was rased by my mother after the devorce...
My mother didn't care what I watched on TV or what I saw on BBSes. BBS porn didn't bother her one bit.
What did worry her was the wood burnning kit my father left me. She respected his wishes that I should have it but she would lock it up when she wasn't around so I couldn't hurt myself.
Now if parents want to lock up a computer they could use a system password to keep the computer from booting up or just lock the keyboard with a keyboard lock. Maybe both just to make shure the kid dosn't hack the password or run the computer entirely by mouse.
Or just take the power supply to the modem with them to work.
The TV is a bit harder... Maybe instead of V chips TVs should have key locks. Lock the TV and it can not be turnned on even by remote control. Such a lock would only cost $5.
I believe every home with teen agers should have phone locks. Even if the parents ARE around all the time.
Accually I think there are better ways to rase a kid than to issolate them from the world but I'm not out to tell anyone HOW to rase there kids just that if they can't expect the world to do it for them.
I ment that if/when someone sues Microsoft the open source community should be in support of Microsoft instead of the normal Microsoft bashing..
Becouse if/when someone sues Microsoft for bugs then the Linux comunity will be next on the list.
Reputation aside Microsoft has a lot of money and that more than anything will attract lawsutes.
RedHat and other such companys are also easy targets... once people see money in it...
My origianl post was a tad slanderous of Microsoft.. That wasn't a smart thing to do...
One side says the Bible is being pushed on those who don't want it and the other side says it's being taken away from those who want it. The sad truth is both are correct.
We pass laws all the time that force people to live by the morals of the christan religion yet we ban all other aspects of this religion. It's hypocritcal.
Basicly I can ware a cross anyplace I like but no other religous symbol. However I can read any religous text any place I like as long as it's not the Bible. Of course I can't pray in any relgion any place becouse someone will be offended and I can't use religously nutral language becouse someone might be offended.
I kinda gave up the whole thing put on my pentigram and carryed my Bible where ever I please and let people get bent when an evil Pagan is reading the Bible at starbucks.
I'd never have the balls to do that.
Of course I'm an asshole... I'd pay a lawyer to take my kids. If I had eather (No lawyer no kids)..
But it is comming down to that. If I want to rase my own kids my way I'll have to retain a legal firm to do it.
Well I'm pritty shure Bill Gates will be a good father and sue every asshole who trys to rase his kid for him.
[I allwase loved the "bad guy becomes the herro" consept]
Nuke em all man..... Just blow them away...
I'd be conserned about anyone who sits behind a filter.
"Sorry sir not working for an employer who plays daddy"....
The target market of those filters are parents who can not be bothered to keep an eye on there kids.
Thies parents need to watch what there kids are seeing/doing instead of expecting the world/internet/tv to rase them.
I encurage filters to block my page even though I have vagely adult matereal. I've got no problems with the idea of keeping immature types away from my pages. Saves me a lot of headakes and I am free to put up what I want and say what I feal.
Being blocked by adult filters from my prospective is a wonderful thing. No need for disclammers or warnnings for those who arn't mature enough to handle what I have to say.
It's also a good thing for the world at larg... I'm freqently wrong... a person who believes everything that person reads dosn't need to read what I have to say. When you read my pages consider the source I'm not giving information I'm giving my opinion nothing more nothing less and I should allwase be seen for that.
So I say block me.. keep the brats away... If your not mature enough to surf free of restrictions then your not mature enough to surf my pages.. end of story...
I hate to admit it.. Microsoft isn't all bad.
Heres an example... if lawyers start suing for security flaws Microsoft is going to be a big fat jucy target.
If/When that happends instead of our normal "Ewww Microsoft evil" and "crush the evil overlord" type stuff we should be supportive of Microsoft..
After all if Microsoft loses were next....
I feal all the IM clients are dead anyway.
I want AoL to win becouse it's AoLs property.
AoL can change the protocal they use ANY TIME THEY WANT.
It wasn't nessisarly a smart move on AoLs part.. Still Microsoft is in no position to call for standards.
There is a diffrence... a very small one...
SMS is made to be an admin tool... the fact that it can be abused is an oversite...
BO2K is made to be abused the fact that it is an admin tool just shows how sereous the situation is.
cDc set out to rase awareness and they have done that.
It's not like Windows is the only operating system with holes you could drive a truck through.. Mearly that Microsoft pretends they don't exist...
The news media has turnned from providing information to entertainment. It's not about news anymore but about selling... /. and you'll see a lot of it.
/. :) pritty sad hu
There is plenty of real news going on. Read
Instead they want to talk about famous people who died becouse it sells.
The news has gone tabloid and now I get my news from
sorry couldn't resist :)
But a lot of people get into this "Ohh protect my children from the evils of the world" Like cann't people be bothered to rase there own kids?
[When I took a class on running for office they told me to do what I'm about to do]
The question isn't how do back doors get into the code but how to get them OUT!!!
True open source means more people can put back doors into code however back doors are a tradition of closed source software nothing about closed source keeps it from happening.
Open source however has very few back doors compared to closed source becouse it is easyer to locate and remove back doors when you have the source code. In closed source even if you do discover a back door you can not remove it short of not using the infected program anymore.
Also open source means you can remove "features" that create security opennings you could drive a truck through. Lacking this ability you have to set strange or crazy policys such as disguarding any e-mail with file attachments.
The only way to make shure your code has no back doors is make shure none of the code is writen by a programmer.
The way it works is each cable company gets control of the local cable network. Unless they LET someone compeate with them you have no choice.
Normally the only way you can change your cable company is to move into the service area of your cable provider of choice.
Even if someone is allowed to compeate it's only becouse the primary cable company allows it so in a sence even then there is a monopoly. Do it our way or we won't let you provide service.
Think about how it would be if everyone had to strike a deal with Microsoft to make operating systems. Thats basicly what you have with cable companys.
Looks like it's time for someone to do
:)
"Space Balls 2: two balls in space"
or "Hardware wars 2: Aibo fetch the ball"
I want Darth Vaders tromenting Ball.. with out the needle... those things get me nervous..
Or Phantasum balls... Yes I'm sadistic...
I want world conquest...
And I want to lauch balls on Gateway "Get those Amigas on the market" and Del "Go back to making Unix boxes"....
I don't want to launch them on Bill Gates however... he's to stubborn.. they'd just kill him and I don't want him dead.. I want him to suffer... What os dose his house run? Windows... hmmmmm muahahaha yeah thats suffering enough for me....
No... WinAibos.. thats suffering... Wops your dog forgot who you are again....
Do they have IRs? I could network them with Linux on my desktops IR or on a Palm pilot...
A few antigravs and make em work here.. 3 Aibos.. 9 space balls... controlled vea wearable.. with a Sony display... ohh the technology is comming...
Will the 2ks be known as the age of the geek lords? "bow before me pesent... you failed to set your VCR clock... you must pay for your ignorence... go.. boot Windows.. or suffer the wrath of my space balls and Aibos of hell"
Oh enough... Theres just to much good matereal here...
Ok here we go... hit the Mpeg player button and... :)
Loved the "extasy" comment...
Budget for nicknames?
"This time all of our equipment works" Ahh some Microsoft compatable hardware found there way into the Slashdot compound?
Hacked to heck in post production...
When "certen people" lost there reading glasses I have to blow up the screen using ctrl alt +...
I think now I'll call that "pixles the size of fists mode"...
Me thinks Sony will need something more that "I love you" before they'll send you a screen...
Threaton to do no more reviews if they don't give
you the visor.
Ohhh more people who like to dance nakid in jello.. we need some detox group for that...
Jello dancers annonomous...
On politics... Here is how that works.. they take a part of your brain when you run and if you win they take the rest... I lost....
I understand now a days they replace it with a Windows NT but I put in for the new Linux port for Politicians...
Jeff gets -1? Is that really nessisary [kissing up]
I'm having mpg3 tech problems but my box is hacked to heck and I usually have lots of problems
a conspericy?
It started with the news media...
I'm convenced the news has no leanings... none at all.. fiction and fact all have equal chance. Who cares what party it helps or whos agenda is uplifted as long as it sells.
Whats scarry is Bill Gates couldn't bribe a reporter to get it right....
a very bizzar world we live in....
Oh well...
Long live the revlution... *BANG* *THUD*
There is quite a bit of diffrence between a speed limit and taxing e-mail.
Starting off with the point that this is just a myth. Considering the kind of stupid and outragous ideas that can be (and probably has been) preposed this seems mild. It is dead on arival.
Part of the point is valid. People would like to get rid of speed limits however they are in place for our safty.
On the other hand there is such thing as being reasonable. A speed limit on walking would be an example of going overboard.
A tax on e-mail is NOT reasonable...
The thankful reality is this kind of thing is DOA anyway.
Making specs public is an easy way to gain wide support quickly. On the other hand reverse engenearing hardware is very easy.
As wide support is easyer to hold on to once you have it than a monopoly on the specs it's logical to offer the specs.
In the past chip makers would liccens compeating chip makers to make there chips. This way companys can use there chips with out fear of the chip maker taking the down if the chip maker gose out of busness.
When you bet your busness on one company that company owns you. Even if Microsoft isn't going out of busness any time soon if you write software exclusivly for Windows your running the risk that Microsoft won't one day change Windows so your product dosn't work. Microsoft dosn't have to have an agenda they can do it as an honnest mistake.
By providing the specs drivers for Linux, BeOS and any other operating system that wants to use your product should be comming around the corner. Your market share increases and Microsoft dosn't own you. It's still wise to keep your Windows drivers up to date however.
www.timecity.org
(BTW they could use more programmers)
This could be intresting as the accuall project managment style can be used to do any larg project.
I think we could use it to put together some useful projects for improving Linux in some of it's weak areas.
Why do we ban exporting certen technologys anyway?
Oh wow the evil bad guys will have to buy high tech hardware form China and France.
Great lot of help that dose US.
Microsoft keeps making the "Text os is Obsolete" argument. This time it's Dr Dos is obsolete.
It was explainned to me that (of those who acually chouse to use Windows) use it becouse it's a nice dos MULTITASKER not as a GUI but as an enhancment to a text os like Xfree.
In the multitasker market Desview and Dr Dos compeat with Windows but in the GUI market it's Geoworks and DRIs GEM.
The market showed little intrest in Geoworks and GEM. GEM died long before Microsoft could kill it and Geoworks found survival in early PDAs and cell phones. Desview and Windows battled for market share but Windows won.
Sun Microsystems and other Unix venders survived where GUI venders died. Apple almost died. With so many GUIs dying off I find it hard to believe the market went to GUI operating systems.
This isn't FUD as much as it is delusional. Bill Gates would have us believe he alone saw the value of GUIs and rushed to market when in reality Windows was a late arival.
Microsoft didn't push other GUIs off the market they did that themselfs. Windows should have died with them. Clearly the market didn't want a GUI they wanted Dos.. MsDos, PcDos, DrDos it didn't matter.
Jeff
I don't buy the "expert" and "cost of retrainning" arguments.
Un*x experts have been around for a long time.
The money you save in not trainning NT admin and not testing NT servers dosn't cover the losses caused by untrainned NT admin and badly configured NT servers.
The time and effort put into Linux is the secret behind reliable Linux servers.
The free beer argument holds up much better...
Some times free beer is a bad thing...
In the end it's what works best for you...
It was true a long time ago and it's true today...