Because Saverin is doing it for money and rightwinnutjob's family probably immigrated for other reasons? Standard of living, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc. etc. ? One is considered greedy, the other is not.
So go, exactly, is standard of living not related to money?
Greedy is the term people apply when to someone else whose standard of living exceeds their own.
On the plus side, they'll have more money. On the negative side, they won't have a very useful citizenship (EU and US citizenships are basically the most favorable ones to hold). And on the even more negative side, they're now required to two two years of military service, plus report once a year for military reserve training up until they reach the age of 40. (Saverin himself is exempt because first-generation immigrants aren't required to do the service; only their children are.)
Personally I'd rather pay some taxes than condemn my kids to years in the military, but perhaps he has other priorities.
You do realize that some European nations, such as Switzerland, Germany and Denmark, also have mandatory military service, right?
And why do you equate US and EU citizenships with favorable? Perhaps because you already live income of those locations? Frankly, a US passport makes it much harder to enter Brazil (or hah - Cuba) than other passports. Not to mention the tax liability that all Americans have abroad, and the fact that recent legislation like FATCA has resulted in many middle-class Americans being unable to get a bank account in their country of residence.
I'm actively working on a second citizenship so I can get rid of the blue passport. And I have nothing like the net worth of a Facebook founder.
Have you thought through the enforcement regime required to ensure people don't have "unapproved" applications loaded on their car computer?
Yes, and it's called "what's worked for the past century: don't run apps on your dashboard at all". Wanna add a trip computer or GPS stats on there? Fine, I'm down with that. But there's no conceivable reason to add games to a dashboard as it does nothing whatsoever to provide better performance to the vehicle or the driver. Just because something is possible doesn't make it a good idea.
So you're saying we can't run apps ("don't run apps on your dashboard"), but we can run apps ("a trip computer or GPS stats on there? Fine"), implying either you haven't "thought through the enforcement regime required", or you have, but realize 'forbid users to execute their own code on their own computer' will be unpopular on/., where we still care about (certain) freedoms, and elected to sweep it under the rug. So, dense or dishonest... that's all I see.
Can't refute me, since GP's contradiction doesn't make sense without the assumption of stupidity or dishonesty?
No trouble, you can sure as hell mod me down. I love/.!
I think the modders were just waiting for you to post an argument with some kind of inherent logic and cohesion before bothering with a reply. The other guy took the time to address each of your points rationally, and we're waiting for you to the same, tough guy AC.
Not to say it would all be good. They'd no doubt use security as an excuse for their own purposes. Specifically, they'd raise the prices dramatically and start racial profiling like we haven't seen before.
Really? I was with you till that point, but how did you go from logical and reasoned thoughts to pulling the race card and claiming it was in the airline's best interests?
Am I the only one paranoid enough to see this as a long-term mafiaa plan? OS doesn't have DVD support, so the hardware manufacturers stop including DVD drives (which is already happening on many models anyway). 5 years from now, you're completely unable to buy a device with which you can rip DVDs... Which means no more pirates. People pay for the DVD for their home entertainment system, and they pay again for the digital version for their pc and iDevice.
But maybe I just had too much coffee this morning.
Yeah, because ONLY terrorists scream and holler about their rights -- and GOOD CITIZENS capitulate.
What you've just described is a situation where the TSA security theater is merely there to make sure you bend over and say; "thank you sir."
Security doesn't have shit to do with people making jokes, or making a fuss. The guy who want's to mess you up will stay under the radar and be the most polite person up until the moment of truth.
In short, don't argue with the cop unless you're prepared for the consequences. -- Right, because we should all have consequences because we demand a Government and Security system that respects us.
You're assuming rationality on the part of the bad guy. The authorities assume irrationality – and high tension from the fear of getting caught is more likely to manifest itself in sputtering rage than quiet acquiescence, I think.
If they put up a website and allow you to comment there, you still have to agree to a third pary's terms of service (your ISP) to participate. Same for most people if you want to set up a face-to-face feedback session - they'd have to fly or take the train to get to DC, and agree to the carrier's Ts and Cs.
Facebook is a fact of the modern world, and your argument is exactly why people like Ron Paul never win elections - you're taking what is fundamentally a good thing (Congress showing interest in the TSA problems) and throwing it all out of whack by nitpicking little virtually meaningless ideals.
I would agree with you on that if corporate CEOs and pretty much everyone who makes over a million dollars a year hadn't set the precedent that defrauding thousands of people at a time comes only with a slap on the wrist and a meager fine despite a huge profit margin.
Shit, that's the definition of how corporate America works. Why aren't they jailing the CEOs of the cable companies instead for charging >5000 times the amount they pay for bandwidth for the average user? Why aren't they jailing the AT&T and Verizon execs for bait-and-switch with the 'Unlimited' plans which are actually limited to single-digit bandwidth amounts?
It's all ass-backward, and this guy just had the balls to do something about it. Do your time, but do it proudly.
Why aren't they also jailing each of the individual loan officers who sold mortgages to customers who couldn't pay them back? They were, perhaps, more directly responsible than the CEOs, and yet also directly benefited (commissions or bonuses, depending how such things work at each institution).
That question is also your answer. There is a very large chain of people involved in the financial crisis, and it's unlikely that any single one of them can be apportioned enough blame to go to jail.
Surely they've been completely defeated. What a good use of time and resources.
Anonymous is a national security threat.
Well, that really depends. Most of Anonyomous, according to your various news sources, consists of script kiddies willing to "bot" their PC out to a couple folks with actual hacking expertise. Despite the "we're all equal, there are no leaders here" mantra, it appears that these efforts are coordinated from a reasonable discrete number of sources.
If they've got those sources, then the capabilities of Anonymous will indeed go down.
As for them being a national security threat, no more so than your average vandal or thief - but we toss them in jail, too.
Explicitly stating that corporations are not people and may be regulated as the government sees fits.
So you'd replace one evil with another? That sounds like a system hideously open to abuse.... you definitely need more controls on government to make that work.
who will be paying for it to be installed in my car? (speaking as a theoretical Frenchwoman... haven't lived in France since 1997). Those things are expensive, and beyond the means of some people who own cars.
I've long had a theory that they don't teach basic literacy skills in French schools; thanks for confirming that for me.
2 bucks a pop, by the way. Not one of those fancy interlock devices.
You have to be careful trusting the Local for news. We have them in Switzerland too, same company, and all they do is poorly translate then over-sensationalize stories. Can't speak for the other sources, though.
The Zürich airport started trialling such a device a few weeks ago, according to local papers. I don't know if it's the same one, but I certainly look forward to getting rid of this ridiculous limitation in the future...
Who said anything about beating off to pictures of 14 year olds? I said that 14+ is not a pedophilia.
If you'd RTFA, the most active subreddit now banned by Reddit was called/r/preteen_girls. But hey, enjoy your +5.
What's up with the moderation to this article? Everyone opposed to trading child porn pictures on Reddit is getting modded down, and everyone defending possession of those pictures is getting modded up. Please tell me Slashdot's moral compass isn't that horribly screwed up.
No, but those of us who agree with you are not logged on to Slashdot 24/7, unlike those who disagree with you, apparently (draw your own conclusions!). Therefore, the initial mods sent you down, but in the time since then you've been modded back up.
I'm currently working a contract with Darden Restaurants, the largest full service retaurant company in the world, and as you can imagine they are very serious about security.
Right, that because the restaurant industry is the first one that comes to mind when I think of "serious about security".
The new regulations recently proposed by the European Commision can result in fines of up to 2% of revenues. Not profits, revenues. That's not puddly by anyone's definition.
Additionally, the EU is perfectly willing to prevent EU companies from dealing with non-EU companies who don't comply. If FaceBook doesn't have EU advertisers on their system, all EU users suddenly become a drain on FaceBook resources for no gain. Yet if they leave the market, previously 2nd-rate competitors (such as Google+) get a huge surge in Europe, which may / will help them break into other markets.
By that logic, you're defining porn as information. Really, it can be entertaining, but informative? What, was he watching a how-to video (cuz I don't think Debbie Does Dallas qualifies)?
I think the reason is more simple than that. Some TSA officers probably feel like they have an axe to grind with the Pauls over their anti-TSA statements. This is a simple case of getting even. That much said, both Rand and Ron are right in the matter. I am not really much of a fan of Rand, but his father Ron I'd like to see as the next President. The reality, however, is a long shot.
That's an awfull lot of credit you're giving to the TSA guys. You think they know which politician says what? They watch c-span or read slashdot or what?;)
Religion is the most dangerous thing facing our population, not overpopulation. They all claim to be peaceful, but criticize them - and you'll see their true nature.
Do you realize that you're the first step on a dangerous road? Your generalizations will lead to believers being the next group hunted. I'm an atheist myself, but stating that religion is the most dangerous problem faced by society is both ridiculously naive and dangerous. There are believers who are a problem, but that does not mean that all religious types are nut cases.
that if somehow the USA just stopped meddling in world affairs the rest of the world would stop menacing and grow more peaceful and harmonious... That is so naive it's hard to even want to debate the point.
When was the last time anybody tried to invade Switzerland?
You mean a very poor country that had nothing but hard-to-cross mountains for most of the last centuries? Who would have wanted to? Yes, we're well off these days, but there was little reason to invade in the past, aside from control of trade routes.
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Because Saverin is doing it for money and rightwinnutjob's family probably immigrated for other reasons? Standard of living, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc. etc. ? One is considered greedy, the other is not.
So go, exactly, is standard of living not related to money?
Greedy is the term people apply when to someone else whose standard of living exceeds their own.
On the plus side, they'll have more money. On the negative side, they won't have a very useful citizenship (EU and US citizenships are basically the most favorable ones to hold). And on the even more negative side, they're now required to two two years of military service, plus report once a year for military reserve training up until they reach the age of 40. (Saverin himself is exempt because first-generation immigrants aren't required to do the service; only their children are.)
Personally I'd rather pay some taxes than condemn my kids to years in the military, but perhaps he has other priorities.
You do realize that some European nations, such as Switzerland, Germany and Denmark, also have mandatory military service, right?
And why do you equate US and EU citizenships with favorable? Perhaps because you already live income of those locations? Frankly, a US passport makes it much harder to enter Brazil (or hah - Cuba) than other passports. Not to mention the tax liability that all Americans have abroad, and the fact that recent legislation like FATCA has resulted in many middle-class Americans being unable to get a bank account in their country of residence.
I'm actively working on a second citizenship so I can get rid of the blue passport. And I have nothing like the net worth of a Facebook founder.
Have you thought through the enforcement regime required to ensure people don't have "unapproved" applications loaded on their car computer?
Yes, and it's called "what's worked for the past century: don't run apps on your dashboard at all". Wanna add a trip computer or GPS stats on there? Fine, I'm down with that. But there's no conceivable reason to add games to a dashboard as it does nothing whatsoever to provide better performance to the vehicle or the driver. Just because something is possible doesn't make it a good idea.
So you're saying we can't run apps ("don't run apps on your dashboard"), but we can run apps ("a trip computer or GPS stats on there? Fine"), implying either you haven't "thought through the enforcement regime required", or you have, but realize 'forbid users to execute their own code on their own computer' will be unpopular on /., where we still care about (certain) freedoms, and elected to sweep it under the rug. So, dense or dishonest... that's all I see.
Can't refute me, since GP's contradiction doesn't make sense without the assumption of stupidity or dishonesty?
No trouble, you can sure as hell mod me down. I love /.!
I think the modders were just waiting for you to post an argument with some kind of inherent logic and cohesion before bothering with a reply. The other guy took the time to address each of your points rationally, and we're waiting for you to the same, tough guy AC.
Not to say it would all be good. They'd no doubt use security as an excuse for their own purposes. Specifically, they'd raise the prices dramatically and start racial profiling like we haven't seen before.
Really? I was with you till that point, but how did you go from logical and reasoned thoughts to pulling the race card and claiming it was in the airline's best interests?
Are you a racist or a jackass?
Am I the only one paranoid enough to see this as a long-term mafiaa plan? OS doesn't have DVD support, so the hardware manufacturers stop including DVD drives (which is already happening on many models anyway). 5 years from now, you're completely unable to buy a device with which you can rip DVDs... Which means no more pirates. People pay for the DVD for their home entertainment system, and they pay again for the digital version for their pc and iDevice.
But maybe I just had too much coffee this morning.
Yeah, because ONLY terrorists scream and holler about their rights -- and GOOD CITIZENS capitulate.
What you've just described is a situation where the TSA security theater is merely there to make sure you bend over and say; "thank you sir."
Security doesn't have shit to do with people making jokes, or making a fuss. The guy who want's to mess you up will stay under the radar and be the most polite person up until the moment of truth.
In short, don't argue with the cop unless you're prepared for the consequences. -- Right, because we should all have consequences because we demand a Government and Security system that respects us.
You're assuming rationality on the part of the bad guy. The authorities assume irrationality – and high tension from the fear of getting caught is more likely to manifest itself in sputtering rage than quiet acquiescence, I think.
I have to become a "moron" to live that lifestyle, I'd do it in a heartbeat...!
That's a ridiculous argument.
If they put up a website and allow you to comment there, you still have to agree to a third pary's terms of service (your ISP) to participate. Same for most people if you want to set up a face-to-face feedback session - they'd have to fly or take the train to get to DC, and agree to the carrier's Ts and Cs.
Facebook is a fact of the modern world, and your argument is exactly why people like Ron Paul never win elections - you're taking what is fundamentally a good thing (Congress showing interest in the TSA problems) and throwing it all out of whack by nitpicking little virtually meaningless ideals.
I found out about the division bug as a beginner programmer! I was trying to write the first MMORPG using Quick Basic.
I've never heard "choosing the wrong programming language" described as a bug, but hey, however you want to play it off, man.
I would agree with you on that if corporate CEOs and pretty much everyone who makes over a million dollars a year hadn't set the precedent that defrauding thousands of people at a time comes only with a slap on the wrist and a meager fine despite a huge profit margin.
Shit, that's the definition of how corporate America works. Why aren't they jailing the CEOs of the cable companies instead for charging >5000 times the amount they pay for bandwidth for the average user? Why aren't they jailing the AT&T and Verizon execs for bait-and-switch with the 'Unlimited' plans which are actually limited to single-digit bandwidth amounts?
It's all ass-backward, and this guy just had the balls to do something about it. Do your time, but do it proudly.
Why aren't they also jailing each of the individual loan officers who sold mortgages to customers who couldn't pay them back? They were, perhaps, more directly responsible than the CEOs, and yet also directly benefited (commissions or bonuses, depending how such things work at each institution).
That question is also your answer. There is a very large chain of people involved in the financial crisis, and it's unlikely that any single one of them can be apportioned enough blame to go to jail.
Surely they've been completely defeated. What a good use of time and resources.
Anonymous is a national security threat.
Well, that really depends. Most of Anonyomous, according to your various news sources, consists of script kiddies willing to "bot" their PC out to a couple folks with actual hacking expertise. Despite the "we're all equal, there are no leaders here" mantra, it appears that these efforts are coordinated from a reasonable discrete number of sources.
If they've got those sources, then the capabilities of Anonymous will indeed go down.
As for them being a national security threat, no more so than your average vandal or thief - but we toss them in jail, too.
Explicitly stating that corporations are not people and may be regulated as the government sees fits.
So you'd replace one evil with another? That sounds like a system hideously open to abuse.... you definitely need more controls on government to make that work.
Given Google's veracity for hegemony, this type of news does not surprise me.
I'm guessing you meant voracity - but their habitual truthfulness in leadership may also be unsurprising, I don't know.
who will be paying for it to be installed in my car? (speaking as a theoretical Frenchwoman... haven't lived in France since 1997). Those things are expensive, and beyond the means of some people who own cars.
I've long had a theory that they don't teach basic literacy skills in French schools; thanks for confirming that for me.
2 bucks a pop, by the way. Not one of those fancy interlock devices.
I'd be more worried about data breaches and server seizures due to their crazy politicians, crazy justice system! and willingness to bend over for all manner of privacy invading measures to satisfy foreign interests. It will be a hot day in Iceland before we move any servers to Sweden. Go Iceland!
You have to be careful trusting the Local for news. We have them in Switzerland too, same company, and all they do is poorly translate then over-sensationalize stories. Can't speak for the other sources, though.
The Zürich airport started trialling such a device a few weeks ago, according to local papers. I don't know if it's the same one, but I certainly look forward to getting rid of this ridiculous limitation in the future...
If you'd RTFA, the most active subreddit now banned by Reddit was called /r/preteen_girls. But hey, enjoy your +5.
What's up with the moderation to this article? Everyone opposed to trading child porn pictures on Reddit is getting modded down, and everyone defending possession of those pictures is getting modded up. Please tell me Slashdot's moral compass isn't that horribly screwed up.
No, but those of us who agree with you are not logged on to Slashdot 24/7, unlike those who disagree with you, apparently (draw your own conclusions!). Therefore, the initial mods sent you down, but in the time since then you've been modded back up.
Because 2nd grade English class is not a prerequisite for Slashdot editors. We don't learn it that way in school, rest assured.
I'm currently working a contract with Darden Restaurants, the largest full service retaurant company in the world, and as you can imagine they are very serious about security.
Right, that because the restaurant industry is the first one that comes to mind when I think of "serious about security".
The new regulations recently proposed by the European Commision can result in fines of up to 2% of revenues. Not profits, revenues. That's not puddly by anyone's definition.
Additionally, the EU is perfectly willing to prevent EU companies from dealing with non-EU companies who don't comply. If FaceBook doesn't have EU advertisers on their system, all EU users suddenly become a drain on FaceBook resources for no gain. Yet if they leave the market, previously 2nd-rate competitors (such as Google+) get a huge surge in Europe, which may / will help them break into other markets.
In the end, FaceBook will comply.
By that logic, you're defining porn as information. Really, it can be entertaining, but informative? What, was he watching a how-to video (cuz I don't think Debbie Does Dallas qualifies)?
To be fair, the same process works in reverse for "liberals." It's a sad human tendency, but clear.
I think the reason is more simple than that. Some TSA officers probably feel like they have an axe to grind with the Pauls over their anti-TSA statements. This is a simple case of getting even. That much said, both Rand and Ron are right in the matter. I am not really much of a fan of Rand, but his father Ron I'd like to see as the next President. The reality, however, is a long shot.
That's an awfull lot of credit you're giving to the TSA guys. You think they know which politician says what? They watch c-span or read slashdot or what? ;)
...are on the "non-believers".
Religion is the most dangerous thing facing our population, not overpopulation. They all claim to be peaceful, but criticize them - and you'll see their true nature.
Do you realize that you're the first step on a dangerous road? Your generalizations will lead to believers being the next group hunted. I'm an atheist myself, but stating that religion is the most dangerous problem faced by society is both ridiculously naive and dangerous. There are believers who are a problem, but that does not mean that all religious types are nut cases.
that if somehow the USA just stopped meddling in world affairs the rest of the world would stop menacing and grow more peaceful and harmonious... That is so naive it's hard to even want to debate the point.
When was the last time anybody tried to invade Switzerland?
You mean a very poor country that had nothing but hard-to-cross mountains for most of the last centuries? Who would have wanted to? Yes, we're well off these days, but there was little reason to invade in the past, aside from control of trade routes.
That said, the Germans planned to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenbaum
Even the French walked in. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland_in_the_Napoleonic_era
So you might want to research your examples better, or perhaps understand that history doesn't show what you want it to show.