He might not be in a hurry, but I'd be surprised if he doesn't realize how this could help Linux.
I'd be shocked if he didn't realize exactly how this patch would impact Linux. From the article:
"Almost nobody wants hard real-time, even in embedded devices," Torvalds said in an e-mail interview. Adding the feature makes the operating system more complex and burdens the process of "locking," in which the operating system assures that different processes don't step on each others' toes when vying for the same resources.
Asked whether MontaVista's proposed software could be accepted into the main kernel, he said, "I personally think it's too intrusive, at least at this point," though it might be possible to merge the patch into the kernel in smaller pieces.
I know this subject is almost dead, but I just have to visite it again
No problem. I really didn't want to begin a flame war. The only reason that I posted originally was to point out that some pro-choice people don't care that the fetus is alive. When you replied in follow up, I had a lengthy response in which I explained that I was not willing to debate abortion online, because it always winds up going in circles, and no one ever listens.
Then I deleted it, wrote a million responses, and called you a jackass. I'm sorry about that. Whether or not you actually are a jackass.
Drugs are not wrong?????????? I have a friend who dauter (age 18) died of an OD on drugs, why dont you go to him and tell him drugs are not wrong, lets see how long you live after tell him that!!!!!! IMO this girl commited suiside, drugs (heroin most notably, and this is what it was) will *KILL* the user in time.
You are probably right. Most ODs are suicide. But obviously this girl's life was not saved by the illegalization of heroin. It might have been saved if she had access to the proper counselling, although maybe not. Also, bear in mind, I'm not talking about legalizing drugs for children.
Anyway, I honestly don't know enough about heroin in order to say that it should be legalized. It seems to me like Oxycodone being prescription over the counter is about as close as we should come to the legalization of heroin. But iduno. This is really, really far afield from our original topic of discussion.
After seeing that picture, I went to that spot in the debate and went through it several times, backwards and forwards, at regular speed and in slow motion.
At no point did I see a bulge that looked anything like the one in that picture. When you see the full motion video, it is very clear that he is wearing a fantastic suit that fits him perfectly, and there is no bulge whatsoever.
No, that is also a completely irrelevant analogy. Off the top of my head, she is not inhabiting his body. Also, he could stop caring for her and yet not kill her.
No, I did not say that abortion should be legal in cases of rape. I said that abortion should be legal in all cases. I asked whether you idiots thought it was right to force a woman to carry her child to term, even in cases of rape. Your answer is "Yes".
This is why I hate debating abortion online. You are responding to things that I have not said, and you are ignoring things that I have said. If we ever meet in person, I'll be happy to discuss the issue. No, I do not believe that children should be punished for their parents sins. And yet, I that has no bearing on my opposition to the illegalization of abortion. I understand why you feel that this is a related question, but to me it is a complete non sequitor. This conversation is going nowhere.
I was not trying to convince you that all miscarriages are inconsequential. I was trying to explain that I personally consider a fetus to be less important than a human being.
I can certainly identify with someone being devastated by a miscarriage. No, these people are not being irrational. You have misunderstood my point.
I do not think that this opinion of worth is influenced by a fetus' dependence on its womb. I was making two points, both in response to your question "Why is the baby in the womb so less deserving of our protection then the baby outside of the womb, both are equally depended on other just to live?"
First is that you incorrectly state that both are equally dependent on others just to live. They are not. Second, I think that a fetus is actually less important than a baby. I wasn't sure how to explain that, except to tell you how I think I'd feel about a miscarriage. Do you understand what I said in my last post?
Please also consider that this opinion of relative worth is only one of many reasons that I am opposed to the illegalization of abortion. Much more important to me is that the illegalization of abortion requires women to bear children when they do not want to. This, to me, is completely barbaric. Should the government prevent women from aborting fetuses conceived due to rape?
Ok haveing anti DUI laws does not seam to be working, so we should get ride of them?
I'm not sure what you mean. Are DUI laws really not working? If you can convince me that DUI laws do not decrease the number of people killed in automobile accidents, or have any other positive effect, then I could be convinced that we should scrap our DUI laws. But I think that they do have an effect.
Also it is illegal to download music and movies, and they are trying to stop it, but there are more down-loaders then ever before, should we just junk all of those laws too???
Um, I didn't mean that in the way that you seem to be interpretting it. But that's a bad example. Yes, I think that we should junk lots of intellectual property law.
so why not? what is the difference????????????? please enlighten me?
There are many, many differences. A woman that does not want to be pregnant but is legally forced to carry her child to term must be pregnant for nine months and then give birth. A mother that does not want to take care of her child must give her child up for adoption. I consider forced pregnancy & birth to be an unconscionable imposition. I see no unconscionable impostion on the mother who does not want her child.
There are many other differences. I don't think I'm about to convince you, so I don't know if it's really worth discussing.
Why is the baby in the womb so less deserving of our protection then the baby outside of the womb, both are equally depended on other just to live?
They are obviously not equally dependent. And I realize you may disagree with this, but I simply do not consider a fetus to be as important as a baby: If my newborn died in their crib, I would be beside myself with grief. I imagine that it would be extremely upsetting for the rest of my life. However, if I had a miscarriage after only two weeks of a wanted pregnancy, I would be merely disappointed. I doubt that I would mourn at all.
Do you understand this discrimination? Can you understand why I might feel this way? Do you consider it completely beyond the pale? How greivously would you mourn a miscarriage after two weeks of pregnancy? One week? One day?
Success of a program does not detriment if the idea behind it is right or wrong.
I think it does.
Lets say a doctor decided to operate on a child that is going to die, the operation is a failed and the child still dies, was the doctor wrong for trying to save said childs life, should the doctor not have done anthing, the child would have die anyways?
That is completely unrelated to anything we are discussing. Yes, the doctor should have operated. However, if a plastic surgeon accidentally kills 20% of the people he tries to give breast augmentations to... he should fucking stop. So?
There are things that are right or wrong outside of us.
One's rights do not extend to the deprivation of another's rights.
I'm glad we agree.
My point was simply that the grandparent poster was incorrect: Many people believe that fetuses are alive and yet still oppose the illegalization of abortion.
I'm pro-choice, and I have no problem with people saying that life begins at conception. Of course the fetus is "alive". So were the sperm & egg before conception. It's still wrong for the government to take away people's control over their own bodies.
So no, that is not necessarily the crux of the issue.
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Oh. That's exactly what you said. I can't read.
I'd be shocked if he didn't realize exactly how this patch would impact Linux. From the article:Iduno what else there is to discuss...
Linus' job is to say no. Here, he even gives rationale.
The latest Nintendo handheld platform (the Gameboy Advance) launched in 2000 (the SP is just prettier, not more functional -- it's the same device).
Right. If you consider the ability to view the screen to be prettiness, and not functionality.
(Just saying.)
I know this subject is almost dead, but I just have to visite it again
No problem. I really didn't want to begin a flame war. The only reason that I posted originally was to point out that some pro-choice people don't care that the fetus is alive. When you replied in follow up, I had a lengthy response in which I explained that I was not willing to debate abortion online, because it always winds up going in circles, and no one ever listens.
Then I deleted it, wrote a million responses, and called you a jackass. I'm sorry about that. Whether or not you actually are a jackass.
Drugs are not wrong?????????? I have a friend who dauter (age 18) died of an OD on drugs, why dont you go to him and tell him drugs are not wrong, lets see how long you live after tell him that!!!!!! IMO this girl commited suiside, drugs (heroin most notably, and this is what it was) will *KILL* the user in time.
You are probably right. Most ODs are suicide. But obviously this girl's life was not saved by the illegalization of heroin. It might have been saved if she had access to the proper counselling, although maybe not. Also, bear in mind, I'm not talking about legalizing drugs for children.
Anyway, I honestly don't know enough about heroin in order to say that it should be legalized. It seems to me like Oxycodone being prescription over the counter is about as close as we should come to the legalization of heroin. But iduno. This is really, really far afield from our original topic of discussion.
C#'s event model is also different. Dunno if it's better, but I like C# event handlers and I hear it's different for Java.
Can anybody with more experience comment?
I'm pro-choice, dude. The italics was a quote of grandparent poster. I don't think the fetus has any rights.
After seeing that picture, I went to that spot in the debate and went through it several times, backwards and forwards, at regular speed and in slow motion.
At no point did I see a bulge that looked anything like the one in that picture. When you see the full motion video, it is very clear that he is wearing a fantastic suit that fits him perfectly, and there is no bulge whatsoever.
That photo is doctored. I guarantee it.
Oracle has a PO system that runs on Linux. Why not use that?
No, that is also a completely irrelevant analogy. Off the top of my head, she is not inhabiting his body. Also, he could stop caring for her and yet not kill her.
No, I did not say that abortion should be legal in cases of rape. I said that abortion should be legal in all cases. I asked whether you idiots thought it was right to force a woman to carry her child to term, even in cases of rape. Your answer is "Yes".
This is why I hate debating abortion online. You are responding to things that I have not said, and you are ignoring things that I have said. If we ever meet in person, I'll be happy to discuss the issue. No, I do not believe that children should be punished for their parents sins. And yet, I that has no bearing on my opposition to the illegalization of abortion. I understand why you feel that this is a related question, but to me it is a complete non sequitor. This conversation is going nowhere.
You're an idiot if you think you can speak for all depressed people. You certainly don't speak for me.
I was not trying to convince you that all miscarriages are inconsequential. I was trying to explain that I personally consider a fetus to be less important than a human being.
I can certainly identify with someone being devastated by a miscarriage. No, these people are not being irrational. You have misunderstood my point.
I do not think that this opinion of worth is influenced by a fetus' dependence on its womb. I was making two points, both in response to your question "Why is the baby in the womb so less deserving of our protection then the baby outside of the womb, both are equally depended on other just to live?"
First is that you incorrectly state that both are equally dependent on others just to live. They are not. Second, I think that a fetus is actually less important than a baby. I wasn't sure how to explain that, except to tell you how I think I'd feel about a miscarriage. Do you understand what I said in my last post?
Please also consider that this opinion of relative worth is only one of many reasons that I am opposed to the illegalization of abortion. Much more important to me is that the illegalization of abortion requires women to bear children when they do not want to. This, to me, is completely barbaric. Should the government prevent women from aborting fetuses conceived due to rape?
Ok haveing anti DUI laws does not seam to be working, so we should get ride of them?
I'm not sure what you mean. Are DUI laws really not working? If you can convince me that DUI laws do not decrease the number of people killed in automobile accidents, or have any other positive effect, then I could be convinced that we should scrap our DUI laws. But I think that they do have an effect.
Also it is illegal to download music and movies, and they are trying to stop it, but there are more down-loaders then ever before, should we just junk all of those laws too???
Um, I didn't mean that in the way that you seem to be interpretting it. But that's a bad example. Yes, I think that we should junk lots of intellectual property law.
so why not? what is the difference????????????? please enlighten me?
There are many, many differences. A woman that does not want to be pregnant but is legally forced to carry her child to term must be pregnant for nine months and then give birth. A mother that does not want to take care of her child must give her child up for adoption. I consider forced pregnancy & birth to be an unconscionable imposition. I see no unconscionable impostion on the mother who does not want her child.
There are many other differences. I don't think I'm about to convince you, so I don't know if it's really worth discussing.
Why is the baby in the womb so less deserving of our protection then the baby outside of the womb, both are equally depended on other just to live?
They are obviously not equally dependent. And I realize you may disagree with this, but I simply do not consider a fetus to be as important as a baby: If my newborn died in their crib, I would be beside myself with grief. I imagine that it would be extremely upsetting for the rest of my life. However, if I had a miscarriage after only two weeks of a wanted pregnancy, I would be merely disappointed. I doubt that I would mourn at all.
Do you understand this discrimination? Can you understand why I might feel this way? Do you consider it completely beyond the pale? How greivously would you mourn a miscarriage after two weeks of pregnancy? One week? One day?
Success of a program does not detriment if the idea behind it is right or wrong.
I think it does.
Lets say a doctor decided to operate on a child that is going to die, the operation is a failed and the child still dies, was the doctor wrong for trying to save said childs life, should the doctor not have done anthing, the child would have die anyways?
That is completely unrelated to anything we are discussing. Yes, the doctor should have operated. However, if a plastic surgeon accidentally kills 20% of the people he tries to give breast augmentations to... he should fucking stop. So?
There are things that are right or wrong outside of us.
Drugs aren't one of those things.
so why not let suicide and drugs be legal
That's what I just said, Jackass.
Do you think that illegalization is a deterrent to suicide?
Do you consider the war on drugs to be a successful policy?
1) What about her?
2) No, she can't.
3) No, they aren't.
Glad I could clear up the confusion for you.
No, I do not believe that suicide or drug use should be criminal offenses. Depression and drug addiction are health problems.
What a fascinating and persuasive analogy. Why, that is completely analogous to an unwanted pregnancy.
One's rights do not extend to the deprivation of another's rights.
I'm glad we agree.
My point was simply that the grandparent poster was incorrect: Many people believe that fetuses are alive and yet still oppose the illegalization of abortion.
I'm pro-choice, and I have no problem with people saying that life begins at conception. Of course the fetus is "alive". So were the sperm & egg before conception. It's still wrong for the government to take away people's control over their own bodies.
So no, that is not necessarily the crux of the issue.
Yeah, I'm dumb. Reading *any* of the articles would have cleared this up for me.