God requires faith... He's a faith monster. If he was to show up for your tests, deliver lotto numbers, cure children, or anything like that, he would not exist. Or at least he wouldn't be God... He'd just be Bob, that guy that swung by and gave you lotto numbers and cured some kids, but hasn't done anything since. Stupid one trick pony Bob... And God doesn't want to be Bob.
How about we teach evolution, and don't say one way or the other if a higher power was involved, because science cannot tell either way. That's how it is currently taught, at least in my neck of the woods.
The only peoples religion this steps on is people who believe that we were created by a god in our existing form. The only way to appease them would be to ignore the mountains of evidence and not teach evolution at all. This leads to ignorance.
I like to think God made gravity, and he gave use the eyes, ears, hands, and ability to figure out his gigantic crossword puzzle.
The big deal is that some people want that line taught in science class, as a scientific theory on par with evolution.
Honestly, I couldn't care less if you or any one else believes that God made them out of dirt, or Allah started the ball rolling and created evolution.. or that everything is just one possibility that was bound to happen, given enough time.. that's fine if that's what you want think. Any could be correct, sure, and millions more possibilities. But lets keep science, like evolution, in the science class and keep the rest out.
I had no idea they were that bad, until I ordered from them. I ordered on Nov. 29th 2005. The estimated arrival date is now Dec. 29th. This is one company I don't mind seeing going bankrupt. I hope to go to a shareholders meeting so I can piss on the CEO. If I see that guy in the street, he's getting a cock punch. These guys are absolute horse shit. In response to my question on what was taking so long, they let me know that it shipped on the 19th of December.. Well thank you very much, fuckie. That would be nice if I ordered it on say, the 18th of December, or even the 17th of December, but I ordered it on the 28th of November. And for the price I paid for shipping, I expect it here quick. It used to be that when you pissed off enough people, they would all get together with hoods and torches and just burn your shit down. If this was still the case, I can guarentee that shit would have been shipped the 30th of November. Fuck OverStock, fuck them in their stupid asses. I only hope I can return the merchandise for a full refund, because no matter how cheap, I just cannot justify giving money to a company so obviously run by primates.
Evolution is a theory to explain what has happened. It isn't a proven fact nor is it even supported a tremendous weight of evidence. There are many scientific examples of data that contradict the theory of evolution that are not explained. So to have it presented the way it is is "forcing your world view" on us. It would be best to present multiple theories and state that is what they are. Broaden the minds of our children instead of closing out competition.
Evolution is a theory in the scientific use of the word. That is, a hypothosis that has been tested and has evidence to support it. In evolution's case, mounds of evidence. Would you care to elaborate on the many scientific examples of data that contradict the theory of evolution? Becasue the evidence supporting current evolutionary theories (not the same as Darwin's anymore... they've grown as our knowledge of the world around us has grown) has grown to the point where to ignore it means to ignore reason. It's not really a debate anymore, it's one side with facts, and one side with earplugs.
If there was more then one theory (scientific use of the word again here) that adequately explained the way species change, adapt, become new species, and how life arrived in it's current form, then I would be all for it, but currently there is not.
6 day, young/old earth "Theories" have no evidence to support them. ID offers nothing except the addition God did it(untestable conjecture) to an existing theory. If you want something taught in public school science class, pony up with a real theory, backed by real evidence.
Don't get me wrong either. It is possible are just part of a big dominos game, setup by some god. It's just not an arguement I'd use because it's impossible to be proven or disproven. That's all I meant. Wether it's science class, a debate or an arguement, it's good to have evidence on your side, and making that arguement leaves you with precious little. But that does not render it an impossibility.
I hear the arguement a lot, but the people making it never inject facts, just conjecture to the debate.
It's easy to say evolution happened. It's been hard to prove, but I feel it's been proven beyond all reasonable doubt. At least that evolution happens has been shown. Some of the mechanics are definately up for debate, we don't know all the finer details, but those will come with time.
It's even easier to evolution happened because of some invisible wizard in the sky, to cover the parts we don't yet understand. It's impossible to prove or disprove, and therefore not really a scientific approach to the whole thing. It can never be considered a fact.
Unless of course the FSM comes down and touches us all with His Noodly Appendege.. Then we'll understand. It will happen on day.. The Marinera Monologues predict it.
I may have been wrong. I thought you were supporting teaching ID in science class. If this is not what you support, then I was mistaken.
Now, how is evolution and intelligence linked? You'll have to clarify that, as you left it a bit vague. Evolution led to intelligence, yes. But that does not make the process intelligent. Flour led to bread, but that doesn't make Bread flour. Many external influances, mainly environment, survival of the fittest, and random mutations led to intelligence, but the mutations and the environment were not intelligent, the mutations were random. Evolution is the proccess of these random mutations, and a species surviving and thriving because it is fit enough to live in it's environment, and changing, branching into new species as it adapts to the environment/other members of the environment.
By serves no purpose, I meant could not be proven or disproven, therefore is not a scientific theory. I'm not disregarding the idea because it serves no purpose, I'm leaving it out of science class because it adds nothing, scientifically, to the theory, and really adds a big unsolvable, unprovable X to any equation, and makes it conjecture instead of theory.
Why should we take on "done by an Invisible Wizard In The Sky" (IWITS) to the end of Evolution? It serves no purpous what-so-ever. You cannot prove or disprove the IWITS part. It does not add anything to the theory that makes it predict somethings. It adds nothing. Evolution should be studied in science. IWITS should be left to the same class you read about Thor and Zeus, and other IWITS'.
It's like you can shit out of your mouth... amazing. You opened it up and shit just spewed from it. Good for you, you should be on Letterman's stupid people tricks.
www.talkorigins.org has plenty of info for you.
Evolution does not deal with how life started, no matter what IDers and creationists tell you. It is not about the origin of life, that's other theories that IDers like to lump in with Evolution to provide some disproof by association.
Evolution does not contradict the second law of thermodynamics. It would if the earth was a closed system, and we weren't getting all that great energy from the sun. The sun adds more entrophy back then is leaving the system.
Evolution is modeled from Genetics, fossil records, DNA research, and out continually growing knowledge of us and the things around us.
Species changes have been viewed through fossil records. Here are some examples of transitional fossils: Read up...
ID and Creationism doesn't attempt to fill any gaps in knowledge with knowledge. Instead, they attempt to fill it with crap about invisible, super-folks who fart out universes on a whim... But.. You cannot disprove this invisible farting super-folk because it's just not possible. So instead, prove God exists. Prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. You have to back up the invisible farting dude. You do not pull shit outta your ass and have it held as valid until someone comes along and proves you wrong. No, you make an arguement then you back it up. Evolution has done this, can't ID and Creationism have the courtesy to do the same?
So... In conclusion, take your (Not you specifically, IDers and Creationists in general) ID, take you Creation, roll them both up nice and tight and shove them up your prissy little ass, not down our kids throat.
Being a good driver is not passing ever schmuck doing the limit. Being a good driver is not pulling out into oncoming traffic to pass some guy going 5 below, forcing some oncoming guy to slow down so you can pass, narrowly missing them as you pull in around the guy who used to be in front of you, then thinking you judged that perfectly. Being a good driver is not getting from A to B in the shortest amount of time. Being a good driver is not being able to talk on your cell phone while cramming a breakfast burrito down your throat, with a hot coffee between your legs, using a knee to steer, not realizing your swerving into and out of your lane into the other lane and the shoulder.
Being a good driver is getting from Point A to Point B consistantly and safely (safely means not just you, but other drivers), being aware of your car/bike/boat/truck/tricycle at all times, understanding you're driving 2000 lbs of possible death, and so is everyone else, and not doing stupid things that cause other drivers to have to avoid you. Sometimes this means going over the limit, sometimes under, and sometimes right at the limit. Sometimes it means swerving out of the way of an obstical, be it an animal, a rock, or another driver, but knowing when you swerve you are not going to be taking out the guy next to you, or a guy coming into on coming traffic. Being aware of your surroundings and in control of your ride is the most important part of being a good driver, and if some other driver camping in the left lane doing the limit or even a little below is how one accomplishes that, it's your job to respect that, and safely navigate with/around/past said other driver. Most people do not notice they are a bad driver. You may very well be one of them.
Either that or a massive grid network built from the brains of chimpanzees and cute little kittens
And it'll be killed by posting porn on the front page of slashdot.. or any time a boobies link is thrown up on fark. They wouldn't be able to swap out dead kittens fast enough.
Speaking of old hardware, I'm in desperate need of an older Maxtor drive. 30GB, 5400 RPM drive (I believe) came out of an older HP. The model is 33073H3.
See, I have this drive, but a little power surge from a shitty PSU decided to fry the board on it (it was actually kinda neat... the CD burner popped open part way and then smoked when it happened.. it was kinda wild. Every component in PC became very dead.. NIC, MB, drives, everything).
Now I'm sure the data on the platters is fine, but the board has to be replaced.. And there's some data on there that my gf would really like back (some pics of her little brother who was killed in a car accident last year being the most important).
The only place I could find the drive online was charging $90 USD.. a little bit pricey, so I figured before going that route, I would see here if anyone has such a beast they would like to donate or sell for relatively cheap. Anyone have this drive sitting in a closet anywhere?
Bah.. beating them with logic, presenting better arguements, getting a higher listing on google... they'd all do nothing.
If you really want to de-seat a politician in the United States, you must challenge him to a boxing match, pit fight, UFC, or something similar in nature, and beat him badly. Lots of blood. And it must be televised.
Where hopefully he'll teach me when to use an apostrophe correctly. I hate being a grammer nazi on myself.. but damn.
Look for us under our new name..
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I should mention.. It's a game. A first person shooter. Just so you know.
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I'm starting a project on source forge, and can use all the help I can get.. It's called "amount of time it takes for half of a radioactive substances atoms to decay 2"
We've already got a lot of good source code up but we can use some help... especially with artwork as we have none except some scattered images we found, er, created.
Hate to reply again, but Everything else you mentioned is throttled not by the CPU but the disk speed.
Spintronics have more immediate uses in MRAM, which is nonvolatile and can/will replace HDs, meaning these bottlenecks can be eliminated because of this. The faster CPUs may be a happy side effect.
Parrallel processing is the key right now to fast graphics, but only because the biggest, baddest computer is not enough.
A single computer with the computational power of that cluster will be faster, if only because of the savings by internal transfers instead of across some form of network. The latency may be minimal, but there is also overhead in the protocols and the cpu power used to seperate and distribute the processes. This overhead and slowdowns would be eliminated if it was on a single machine.
These incrimental evolutions (this is not revolutionary. Techniques in spintronics are already used for our big HDs), perhaps used with technology advanced announced by Sun yesterday, are paving the way for that big bad machine that can render 30 fps, can replace the clusters, and can help us solve the very difficult problems.
Then don't look at the faster processor aspects of this, as that is not the first place this will be used widespread. Look at MRAM, which is probably where this will be used in the immediate future (immediate being as soon as 2005). This will give you greater storage for your camera/portable devices and longer battery life (plus fast on's for our computers is good too).
What a wonderful scale for measuring costs. Thank you. All my future purchases shall be weighted in number of beers I could afford for the equal amount. I'm currently looking at a 52" widescreen TV, but now that I realize that it's 2232 beers for said TV, I have to wonder if it's worth it.
I figure 18-24 beers (LaBatt Blue, $32.25 per 24) is a good night, I would be getting anywhere between 93 and 124 nights of drunken bliss. We won't even bother looking at the 8 or 10 beer nights where it's just a casual boozing, which would inflate the numbers a bit.
Now if we break it down into hours, a good saucing lasts from about 8pm to 6am, so that's 10 hours of entertainment per saucing. That's anywhere between 930 to 1240 hours of good clean entertainment.
Would I get that much from the TV? Hard to say. Lately I watch about 5 to 10 hours of TV a week, and kick on the PSX (Can't beat the price of games... thanks Bit Torrent) for about 10 hours a week. Hockey season is about to star, so that's a couple hours more TV per week. tack on an additional 9 hours through the winter, and round it up to an even 20. so 30 hours per week. I'm being very generous here to try to rationalize my future purchase. 41.3 weeks. A Bit under 1 year to get the same amount of entertainment for the TV.
I figure the 2232 beers would last me, with a healthy 2 - 3 boozings per week, 37.2 to 49.6 weeks. I'll stretch that also over to one year, because some weeks I'll booze only once, some 4 or 5 times.
Here my liver is screaming "Buy the TV! For the love of God buy the TV!"
After that beer is gone, the TV really cashes in. Because I don't have to spend more money to keep watching TV and playing video games.
OK, it's settled. I'm getting a 46" widescreen and 31 cases of beer and watching hockey and boozing.
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God requires faith... He's a faith monster. If he was to show up for your tests, deliver lotto numbers, cure children, or anything like that, he would not exist. Or at least he wouldn't be God... He'd just be Bob, that guy that swung by and gave you lotto numbers and cured some kids, but hasn't done anything since. Stupid one trick pony Bob... And God doesn't want to be Bob.
How about we teach evolution, and don't say one way or the other if a higher power was involved, because science cannot tell either way. That's how it is currently taught, at least in my neck of the woods.
The only peoples religion this steps on is people who believe that we were created by a god in our existing form. The only way to appease them would be to ignore the mountains of evidence and not teach evolution at all. This leads to ignorance.
I like to think God made gravity, and he gave use the eyes, ears, hands, and ability to figure out his gigantic crossword puzzle.
The big deal is that some people want that line taught in science class, as a scientific theory on par with evolution.
Honestly, I couldn't care less if you or any one else believes that God made them out of dirt, or Allah started the ball rolling and created evolution.. or that everything is just one possibility that was bound to happen, given enough time.. that's fine if that's what you want think. Any could be correct, sure, and millions more possibilities. But lets keep science, like evolution, in the science class and keep the rest out.
I had no idea they were that bad, until I ordered from them. I ordered on Nov. 29th 2005. The estimated arrival date is now Dec. 29th. This is one company I don't mind seeing going bankrupt. I hope to go to a shareholders meeting so I can piss on the CEO. If I see that guy in the street, he's getting a cock punch. These guys are absolute horse shit. In response to my question on what was taking so long, they let me know that it shipped on the 19th of December.. Well thank you very much, fuckie. That would be nice if I ordered it on say, the 18th of December, or even the 17th of December, but I ordered it on the 28th of November. And for the price I paid for shipping, I expect it here quick. It used to be that when you pissed off enough people, they would all get together with hoods and torches and just burn your shit down. If this was still the case, I can guarentee that shit would have been shipped the 30th of November. Fuck OverStock, fuck them in their stupid asses. I only hope I can return the merchandise for a full refund, because no matter how cheap, I just cannot justify giving money to a company so obviously run by primates.
Evolution is a theory to explain what has happened. It isn't a proven fact nor is it even supported a tremendous weight of evidence. There are many scientific examples of data that contradict the theory of evolution that are not explained. So to have it presented the way it is is "forcing your world view" on us. It would be best to present multiple theories and state that is what they are. Broaden the minds of our children instead of closing out competition.
Evolution is a theory in the scientific use of the word. That is, a hypothosis that has been tested and has evidence to support it. In evolution's case, mounds of evidence. Would you care to elaborate on the many scientific examples of data that contradict the theory of evolution? Becasue the evidence supporting current evolutionary theories (not the same as Darwin's anymore... they've grown as our knowledge of the world around us has grown) has grown to the point where to ignore it means to ignore reason. It's not really a debate anymore, it's one side with facts, and one side with earplugs.
If there was more then one theory (scientific use of the word again here) that adequately explained the way species change, adapt, become new species, and how life arrived in it's current form, then I would be all for it, but currently there is not.
6 day, young/old earth "Theories" have no evidence to support them. ID offers nothing except the addition God did it(untestable conjecture) to an existing theory. If you want something taught in public school science class, pony up with a real theory, backed by real evidence.
Don't get me wrong either. It is possible are just part of a big dominos game, setup by some god. It's just not an arguement I'd use because it's impossible to be proven or disproven. That's all I meant. Wether it's science class, a debate or an arguement, it's good to have evidence on your side, and making that arguement leaves you with precious little. But that does not render it an impossibility.
But I see we're not disagreeing, so cheers..
I hear the arguement a lot, but the people making it never inject facts, just conjecture to the debate.
It's easy to say evolution happened. It's been hard to prove, but I feel it's been proven beyond all reasonable doubt. At least that evolution happens has been shown. Some of the mechanics are definately up for debate, we don't know all the finer details, but those will come with time.
It's even easier to evolution happened because of some invisible wizard in the sky, to cover the parts we don't yet understand. It's impossible to prove or disprove, and therefore not really a scientific approach to the whole thing. It can never be considered a fact.
Unless of course the FSM comes down and touches us all with His Noodly Appendege.. Then we'll understand. It will happen on day.. The Marinera Monologues predict it.
I may have been wrong. I thought you were supporting teaching ID in science class. If this is not what you support, then I was mistaken.
Now, how is evolution and intelligence linked? You'll have to clarify that, as you left it a bit vague. Evolution led to intelligence, yes. But that does not make the process intelligent. Flour led to bread, but that doesn't make Bread flour. Many external influances, mainly environment, survival of the fittest, and random mutations led to intelligence, but the mutations and the environment were not intelligent, the mutations were random. Evolution is the proccess of these random mutations, and a species surviving and thriving because it is fit enough to live in it's environment, and changing, branching into new species as it adapts to the environment/other members of the environment.
By serves no purpose, I meant could not be proven or disproven, therefore is not a scientific theory. I'm not disregarding the idea because it serves no purpose, I'm leaving it out of science class because it adds nothing, scientifically, to the theory, and really adds a big unsolvable, unprovable X to any equation, and makes it conjecture instead of theory.
Why should they be combined?
Why should we take on "done by an Invisible Wizard In The Sky" (IWITS) to the end of Evolution? It serves no purpous what-so-ever. You cannot prove or disprove the IWITS part. It does not add anything to the theory that makes it predict somethings. It adds nothing. Evolution should be studied in science. IWITS should be left to the same class you read about Thor and Zeus, and other IWITS'.
It's like you can shit out of your mouth... amazing. You opened it up and shit just spewed from it. Good for you, you should be on Letterman's stupid people tricks.
www.talkorigins.org has plenty of info for you.
Evolution does not deal with how life started, no matter what IDers and creationists tell you. It is not about the origin of life, that's other theories that IDers like to lump in with Evolution to provide some disproof by association.
Evolution does not contradict the second law of thermodynamics. It would if the earth was a closed system, and we weren't getting all that great energy from the sun. The sun adds more entrophy back then is leaving the system.
Evolution is modeled from Genetics, fossil records, DNA research, and out continually growing knowledge of us and the things around us.
Species changes have been viewed through fossil records. Here are some examples of transitional fossils: Read up...
ID and Creationism doesn't attempt to fill any gaps in knowledge with knowledge. Instead, they attempt to fill it with crap about invisible, super-folks who fart out universes on a whim... But.. You cannot disprove this invisible farting super-folk because it's just not possible. So instead, prove God exists. Prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. You have to back up the invisible farting dude. You do not pull shit outta your ass and have it held as valid until someone comes along and proves you wrong. No, you make an arguement then you back it up. Evolution has done this, can't ID and Creationism have the courtesy to do the same?
So... In conclusion, take your (Not you specifically, IDers and Creationists in general) ID, take you Creation, roll them both up nice and tight and shove them up your prissy little ass, not down our kids throat.
Being a good driver is not passing ever schmuck doing the limit. Being a good driver is not pulling out into oncoming traffic to pass some guy going 5 below, forcing some oncoming guy to slow down so you can pass, narrowly missing them as you pull in around the guy who used to be in front of you, then thinking you judged that perfectly. Being a good driver is not getting from A to B in the shortest amount of time. Being a good driver is not being able to talk on your cell phone while cramming a breakfast burrito down your throat, with a hot coffee between your legs, using a knee to steer, not realizing your swerving into and out of your lane into the other lane and the shoulder.
Being a good driver is getting from Point A to Point B consistantly and safely (safely means not just you, but other drivers), being aware of your car/bike/boat/truck/tricycle at all times, understanding you're driving 2000 lbs of possible death, and so is everyone else, and not doing stupid things that cause other drivers to have to avoid you. Sometimes this means going over the limit, sometimes under, and sometimes right at the limit. Sometimes it means swerving out of the way of an obstical, be it an animal, a rock, or another driver, but knowing when you swerve you are not going to be taking out the guy next to you, or a guy coming into on coming traffic. Being aware of your surroundings and in control of your ride is the most important part of being a good driver, and if some other driver camping in the left lane doing the limit or even a little below is how one accomplishes that, it's your job to respect that, and safely navigate with/around/past said other driver. Most people do not notice they are a bad driver. You may very well be one of them.
Either that or a massive grid network built from the brains of chimpanzees and cute little kittens
And it'll be killed by posting porn on the front page of slashdot.. or any time a boobies link is thrown up on fark. They wouldn't be able to swap out dead kittens fast enough.
Those "ironmen" are lightweights compared to this guy.
Speaking of old hardware, I'm in desperate need of an older Maxtor drive. 30GB, 5400 RPM drive (I believe) came out of an older HP. The model is 33073H3.
See, I have this drive, but a little power surge from a shitty PSU decided to fry the board on it (it was actually kinda neat... the CD burner popped open part way and then smoked when it happened.. it was kinda wild. Every component in PC became very dead.. NIC, MB, drives, everything).
Now I'm sure the data on the platters is fine, but the board has to be replaced.. And there's some data on there that my gf would really like back (some pics of her little brother who was killed in a car accident last year being the most important).
The only place I could find the drive online was charging $90 USD.. a little bit pricey, so I figured before going that route, I would see here if anyone has such a beast they would like to donate or sell for relatively cheap. Anyone have this drive sitting in a closet anywhere?
sure, why not.
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Bah.. beating them with logic, presenting better arguements, getting a higher listing on google... they'd all do nothing.
If you really want to de-seat a politician in the United States, you must challenge him to a boxing match, pit fight, UFC, or something similar in nature, and beat him badly. Lots of blood. And it must be televised.
It's really the only sure way.
Troll? Funny, insightful and informative in my book.
bubba is waiting for you!
Where hopefully he'll teach me when to use an apostrophe correctly. I hate being a grammer nazi on myself.. but damn.
Look for us under our new name..
amount of time it takes for half of a radioactive substance's atoms to decay 2
I should mention.. It's a game. A first person shooter. Just so you know.
I'm starting a project on source forge, and can use all the help I can get.. It's called "amount of time it takes for half of a radioactive substances atoms to decay 2"
We've already got a lot of good source code up but we can use some help... especially with artwork as we have none except some scattered images we found, er, created.
Look us up on http://www.sourceforge.net.
Thanks in advance.
The AOTITFHOARSATD 2 Team.
That's not The Inquirer, my friend. That's Weekly World News.. AkA "The Paper"
Hate to reply again, but
Everything else you mentioned is throttled not by the CPU but the disk speed.
Spintronics have more immediate uses in MRAM, which is nonvolatile and can/will replace HDs, meaning these bottlenecks can be eliminated because of this. The faster CPUs may be a happy side effect.
Parrallel processing is the key right now to fast graphics, but only because the biggest, baddest computer is not enough.
A single computer with the computational power of that cluster will be faster, if only because of the savings by internal transfers instead of across some form of network. The latency may be minimal, but there is also overhead in the protocols and the cpu power used to seperate and distribute the processes. This overhead and slowdowns would be eliminated if it was on a single machine.
These incrimental evolutions (this is not revolutionary. Techniques in spintronics are already used for our big HDs), perhaps used with technology advanced announced by Sun yesterday, are paving the way for that big bad machine that can render 30 fps, can replace the clusters, and can help us solve the very difficult problems.
Then don't look at the faster processor aspects of this, as that is not the first place this will be used widespread. Look at MRAM, which is probably where this will be used in the immediate future (immediate being as soon as 2005). This will give you greater storage for your camera/portable devices and longer battery life (plus fast on's for our computers is good too).
If you're gaming, do not look at satellite. Latency is very high.
What a wonderful scale for measuring costs. Thank you. All my future purchases shall be weighted in number of beers I could afford for the equal amount. I'm currently looking at a 52" widescreen TV, but now that I realize that it's 2232 beers for said TV, I have to wonder if it's worth it.
I figure 18-24 beers (LaBatt Blue, $32.25 per 24) is a good night, I would be getting anywhere between 93 and 124 nights of drunken bliss. We won't even bother looking at the 8 or 10 beer nights where it's just a casual boozing, which would inflate the numbers a bit.
Now if we break it down into hours, a good saucing lasts from about 8pm to 6am, so that's 10 hours of entertainment per saucing. That's anywhere between 930 to 1240 hours of good clean entertainment.
Would I get that much from the TV? Hard to say. Lately I watch about 5 to 10 hours of TV a week, and kick on the PSX (Can't beat the price of games... thanks Bit Torrent) for about 10 hours a week. Hockey season is about to star, so that's a couple hours more TV per week. tack on an additional 9 hours through the winter, and round it up to an even 20. so 30 hours per week. I'm being very generous here to try to rationalize my future purchase. 41.3 weeks. A Bit under 1 year to get the same amount of entertainment for the TV.
I figure the 2232 beers would last me, with a healthy 2 - 3 boozings per week, 37.2 to 49.6 weeks. I'll stretch that also over to one year, because some weeks I'll booze only once, some 4 or 5 times.
Here my liver is screaming "Buy the TV! For the love of God buy the TV!"
After that beer is gone, the TV really cashes in. Because I don't have to spend more money to keep watching TV and playing video games.
OK, it's settled. I'm getting a 46" widescreen and 31 cases of beer and watching hockey and boozing.
Ahhh.. Compromise.