A good percentage of the people have a 'home page' from one of the portals. Mostly AOL, MSN, or Yahoo. Almost everyone uses at least one for some net services (travel, email, news, etc.) And each has about the same market share of web users.
Now why is this. It's because each tries to capture a different market segment. MSN goes for those who don't know how to change their homepage. AOL goes for my mom (lay off the mom jokes please).
Yahoo generally targets the more sophisticated user (no not l33t d00ds with shell accounts). The average user who is interested in content over flash. Yahoo also has a bit more cachet with the 'techno-snob' that says 'I'd never use AOL/Microsuck)
In other words if yahoo (as a 'vibe') became more like the MSN/AOL closed portals it would lose the attribute that makes it most successful. Yahoo as a unit of (AOL, MS, GE, NTT, ABC, 123) would not be a cool as yahoo standalone.
Now just because it's not a good idea doesn't mean it won't happen.
sorry about the re-post, I formatted poorly, bad me.
I just read this on N2H2's site. I cannot believe that they actually say this publically.
"Own the Education Desktop Own the education desktop by reaching teens and tweens where they learn the most--the classroom.
N2H2 is the leader in filtering Internet content for schools all across the United States. In doing so, we reach over 13.5 million* students who view 4 billion online pages a year. And our sponsorship and advertising opportunities let you be a part of every Web page they explore.
Through our various properties, including Searchopolis.com, the N2H2 ResourceBar and the filtered search and homework resource channels of StarWarsKids.com, we deliver you unprecedented penetration, exposure and public relations opportunities in the difficult-to-tap education space. And because we deliver the largest online audience of tweens and teens in an educational environment, we know what students are doing online.
In the classroom, 1800 different sites comprise 80% of the page views, making it virtually impossible for a company to launch an effective online advertising campaign during the school day--except with N2H2. To learn more about what students are doing online, and what this means to your brand, download a free copy of the N2H2 1st Quarter Learnings Report White Paper.
Experience the success that N2H2 has delivered to leading companies such as Nickelodeon, Microsoft, Chevron Cars, Family Education Network, the Office of National Drug Control Policy and more. We invite you to navigate through our site, view our Online Media Kit, and contact us to receive more detailed information on how your brand can own the education desktop."
I just read this on N2H2's site. I cannot believe that they actually say this publically.
"Own the Education Desktop
Own the education desktop by reaching teens and tweens where they learn the most--the classroom. N2H2 is the leader in filtering Internet content for schools all across the United States. In doing so, we reach over 13.5 million* students who view 4 billion online pages a year. And our sponsorship and advertising opportunities let you be a part
of every Web page they explore.
Through our various properties, including Searchopolis.com, the N2H2 ResourceBar and the filtered search and homework resource channels of StarWarsKids.com, we deliver you unprecedented penetration, exposure and public relations opportunities in the difficult-to-tap education space.
And because we deliver the largest online audience of tweens and teens in an educational environment, we know what students are doing online.
In the classroom, 1800 different sites comprise 80% of the page views, making it virtually impossible for a company to launch an effective online advertising campaign during the school day--except with N2H2.
To learn more about what students are doing online, and what this means to your brand, download a free copy of the N2H2 1st Quarter Learnings Report White Paper.
Experience the success that N2H2 has delivered to leading companies such as Nickelodeon, Microsoft, Chevron Cars, Family Education Network, the Office of National Drug Control Policy and more. We invite you to navigate through our site, view our Online Media Kit, and contact us to receive more detailed information on how your brand can own the
education desktop."
Can a company actually be classified as evil?
How about a privacy concern on top of this
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I've got a question. Bess filters by serving pages through a proxy. The filtering database isn't local, it resides on their servers. Each time you make a request for a page it goes across their servers. From their site...
"In 1995, the creation of the Bess® Filtering System -- the Internet's first server-based filtering proxy network -- quickly established N2H2 as the market leader in education. Today, more schools use N2H2 than any other available filtering system. Over 13.4 million students in North America viewed more than 4 billion Internet pages delivered by the Bess Filtering System last year alone!"
Does anyone else see the privacy implications of this. Forget doubleclick, they get too see every site you browse.
I think the most interesting comment in the article is from Rep. Istook.
"The commission was not designed to recommend the consensus of the American public,"
Ummmm.. Neither is the Supreme Court. The reason being is that we (theoretically) appoint people to such positions who will look beyond what is popular to what is right.
Remember that segregation was once the 'common sense conclusion' of many people.
Notice that neither candidate mention the music labels in their response. I guess that means that they are really concerned about the artists, right......
You're doing the same thing that the politicians are doing, you're not demonstrating any cause and effect relationship. I could probably make the same argument about how solar flare activity reduces teenage violence but I can't show how one leads to the other.
unless that was your point, in which case I'll shut up.
Now I'm not a lawyer, or even all that bright, but doesn't this ruling have serious implications for other 'products' that are created as a result of reverse engineering.
So my small brain spits out two theorys, anyone know which is (more) correct.
Theory 1.
It's the content that is copyrighted, not the delivery method, thus copying the content would be illegal, but changing the delivery method (i.e. DeCSS) is all good.
Theory 2
Hold on there sparky, this has nothing to do with DeCSS or anything else because the motion picture industry has declared the method itself copyrighted. Sony just missed that trick.
The difference of course being that most windows/outlook users are people like my mom and that most unix users are people like me (i.e. people who would know not to run a wierd.pl file)
I'm very glad to see this on/. I'm starting to feel that this community has a tendency for knee-jerk reactions to a lot of topics.
I'm basically a liberterian, I believe that information does want to be free and that we should have the right to do just about anything that doesn't hurt another.
However the overall tone, especially in the last few weeks has seemed to me to be a little extreme. There's a lot of @!#@ the man going on. Jon Katz's lastest rant is probably the best example of that.
The best part of having a community of very smart people is the possiblility of a dialog that considers issues from both sides.
We need to remember that netpliance probably has a staff with plenty of geeks just like us. They're not corpratist, they not looking to get rich by raping hackers, they're not making toxic chemicals or crack cocaine. They will simply be out of business if they sell $400 boxes for $99.
Rather than condem them for doing something that when we stop and think kinda makes sense, it's better to do as Kevin did and approach them rationally.
An mod-able i-opener at a price palitable to both hacker-consumers and netpliance is something we want, netpliance going out of business because we've bankrupted them is not good for them, us, or society.
I have nothing against free ($) software, except that if that is not your business model, and you need to pay your employees (and feed your kids) then the government leaking you're source code is a bad thing.
now do you trust the gov't to keep your code safe?
Think about this from the point of view of other companies. While open source is a good thing it is not everyone's business model, and if I were a small software company I'd have a problem handing my source code over to a government.
- I wouldn't trust the government to not leak my code (making my application free).
- Even If they do I typically can't sue the government.
- With some governments, I'd imagine that they'd be out selling it themselves in about an hour.
Now a company could say 'I just wont sell to the french' but what happens when other countries choose it.
Open source has to be a choice, not a requirement.
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How about looking at it this way.
A good percentage of the people have a 'home page' from one of the portals. Mostly AOL, MSN, or Yahoo. Almost everyone uses at least one for some net services (travel, email, news, etc.) And each has about the same market share of web users.
Now why is this. It's because each tries to capture a different market segment. MSN goes for those who don't know how to change their homepage. AOL goes for my mom (lay off the mom jokes please).
Yahoo generally targets the more sophisticated user (no not l33t d00ds with shell accounts). The average user who is interested in content over flash. Yahoo also has a bit more cachet with the 'techno-snob' that says 'I'd never use AOL/Microsuck)
In other words if yahoo (as a 'vibe') became more like the MSN/AOL closed portals it would lose the attribute that makes it most successful. Yahoo as a unit of (AOL, MS, GE, NTT, ABC, 123) would not be a cool as yahoo standalone.
Now just because it's not a good idea doesn't mean it won't happen.
Why in gods name (other than the obvious efficency issue) do we allow unrelated riders to be attached to bills like this.
Im an American (obviously). Many of you aren't. How is it done in your country.
If you take a look at the rest of the news on the site it becomes quickly apparent that it's not quite news. It's actually a right-wing advocacy site.
good ideas, maybe I'll implement some of them for my teams.....
Did anyone else notice among the list of applicants there was one guy who applied for two TLDs?
.kids and .xxx
He (or she) wants
Now does anyone else get slightly worried that those would be the two.
hmmm
hmmm, targeted advertising to children, while in school.
I would certainly classify that as at least not very nice.
sorry about the re-post, I formatted poorly, bad me.
I just read this on N2H2's site. I cannot believe that they actually say this publically.
"Own the Education Desktop Own the education desktop by reaching teens and tweens where they learn the most--the classroom.
N2H2 is the leader in filtering Internet content for schools all across the United States. In doing so, we reach over 13.5 million* students who view 4 billion online pages a year. And our sponsorship and advertising opportunities let you be a part of every Web page they explore.
Through our various properties, including Searchopolis.com, the N2H2 ResourceBar and the filtered search and homework resource channels of StarWarsKids.com, we deliver you unprecedented penetration, exposure and public relations opportunities in the difficult-to-tap education space. And because we deliver the largest online audience of tweens and teens in an educational environment, we know what students are doing online.
In the classroom, 1800 different sites comprise 80% of the page views, making it virtually impossible for a company to launch an effective online advertising campaign during the school day--except with N2H2. To learn more about what students are doing online, and what this means to your brand, download a free copy of the N2H2 1st Quarter Learnings Report White Paper.
Experience the success that N2H2 has delivered to leading companies such as Nickelodeon, Microsoft, Chevron Cars, Family Education Network, the Office of National Drug Control Policy and more. We invite you to navigate through our site, view our Online Media Kit, and contact us to receive more detailed information on how your brand can own the education desktop."
Can a company actually be classified as evil?
I just read this on N2H2's site. I cannot believe that they actually say this publically. "Own the Education Desktop Own the education desktop by reaching teens and tweens where they learn the most--the classroom. N2H2 is the leader in filtering Internet content for schools all across the United States. In doing so, we reach over 13.5 million* students who view 4 billion online pages a year. And our sponsorship and advertising opportunities let you be a part of every Web page they explore. Through our various properties, including Searchopolis.com, the N2H2 ResourceBar and the filtered search and homework resource channels of StarWarsKids.com, we deliver you unprecedented penetration, exposure and public relations opportunities in the difficult-to-tap education space. And because we deliver the largest online audience of tweens and teens in an educational environment, we know what students are doing online. In the classroom, 1800 different sites comprise 80% of the page views, making it virtually impossible for a company to launch an effective online advertising campaign during the school day--except with N2H2. To learn more about what students are doing online, and what this means to your brand, download a free copy of the N2H2 1st Quarter Learnings Report White Paper. Experience the success that N2H2 has delivered to leading companies such as Nickelodeon, Microsoft, Chevron Cars, Family Education Network, the Office of National Drug Control Policy and more. We invite you to navigate through our site, view our Online Media Kit, and contact us to receive more detailed information on how your brand can own the education desktop." Can a company actually be classified as evil?
I've got a question. Bess filters by serving pages through a proxy. The filtering database isn't local, it resides on their servers. Each time you make a request for a page it goes across their servers. From their site...
"In 1995, the creation of the Bess® Filtering System -- the Internet's first server-based filtering proxy network -- quickly established N2H2 as the market leader in education. Today, more schools use N2H2 than any other available filtering system. Over 13.4 million students in North America viewed more than 4 billion Internet pages delivered by the Bess Filtering System last year alone!"
Does anyone else see the privacy implications of this. Forget doubleclick, they get too see every site you browse.
Can anyone confirm if Bess uses any kind of GUID?
nah, you got it right. Some of them would love to make library censorship manditory.
I think the most interesting comment in the article is from Rep. Istook.
"The commission was not designed to recommend the consensus of the American public,"
Ummmm.. Neither is the Supreme Court. The reason being is that we (theoretically) appoint people to such positions who will look beyond what is popular to what is right.
Remember that segregation was once the 'common sense conclusion' of many people.
Notice that neither candidate mention the music labels in their response. I guess that means that they are really concerned about the artists, right......
hmmm, maybe I'll rethink that
Not that I don't agree with you but..
You're doing the same thing that the politicians are doing, you're not demonstrating any cause and effect relationship. I could probably make the same argument about how solar flare activity reduces teenage violence but I can't show how one leads to the other.
unless that was your point, in which case I'll shut up.
I worked with Adabas for quite some time, It is one heck of a powerful DB server, and quite usable too considering it's age.
I'm curious to see if this will include access to natural, the language that originally was used to access Adabas (and was imho superior to SQL).
Hmm,
but considering how poor the security method was for CSS, can it really be called 'effectively' controling access.
(yes I do know that it's the other meaning of effectively, just being a wiseass)
Ok...
True or false?
A version of DeCSS with encryption would be legal
Now I'm not a lawyer, or even all that bright, but doesn't this ruling have serious implications for other 'products' that are created as a result of reverse engineering.
So my small brain spits out two theorys, anyone know which is (more) correct.
Theory 1.
It's the content that is copyrighted, not the delivery method, thus copying the content would be illegal, but changing the delivery method (i.e. DeCSS) is all good.
Theory 2
Hold on there sparky, this has nothing to do with DeCSS or anything else because the motion picture industry has declared the method itself copyrighted. Sony just missed that trick.
Anyone?
The difference of course being that most windows/outlook users are people like my mom and that most unix users are people like me (i.e. people who would know not to run a wierd .pl file)
.pl stand for ;)
ummm, what does
I'm very glad to see this on /. I'm starting to feel that this community has a tendency for knee-jerk reactions to a lot of topics.
I'm basically a liberterian, I believe that information does want to be free and that we should have the right to do just about anything that doesn't hurt another.
However the overall tone, especially in the last few weeks has seemed to me to be a little extreme. There's a lot of @!#@ the man going on. Jon Katz's lastest rant is probably the best example of that.
The best part of having a community of very smart people is the possiblility of a dialog that considers issues from both sides.
We need to remember that netpliance probably has a staff with plenty of geeks just like us. They're not corpratist, they not looking to get rich by raping hackers, they're not making toxic chemicals or crack cocaine. They will simply be out of business if they sell $400 boxes for $99.
Rather than condem them for doing something that when we stop and think kinda makes sense, it's better to do as Kevin did and approach them rationally.
An mod-able i-opener at a price palitable to both hacker-consumers and netpliance is something we want, netpliance going out of business because we've bankrupted them is not good for them, us, or society.
ok, now tell me why I'm wrong
There was a good layman's description of this in Singh's 'The Code Book' which was reviewed on /. last week.
article is here
nah good point, rant away
my bad for not specifying, free-as-in-beer.
I have nothing against free ($) software, except that if that is not your business model, and you need to pay your employees (and feed your kids) then the government leaking you're source code is a bad thing.
now do you trust the gov't to keep your code safe?
Think about this from the point of view of other companies. While open source is a good thing it is not everyone's business model, and if I were a small software company I'd have a problem handing my source code over to a government.
- I wouldn't trust the government to not leak my code (making my application free).
- Even If they do I typically can't sue the government.
- With some governments, I'd imagine that they'd be out selling it themselves in about an hour.
Now a company could say 'I just wont sell to the french' but what happens when other countries choose it.
Open source has to be a choice, not a requirement.
I can't believe no one ever made a translucent colored PC before Apple, does anyone know of one? (Apple to OEMs) Think Different, or we'll sue
If NSI doesn't need that E10000 anymore I can give it a good home.