A german citizen named Khalid El-Masri was in Macedonia, the CIA kidnapped him, tortured him, anally raped him, and then released him a while later. They got his name mixed up with a terrorist.
he sued. his case was thrown out on 'state secrets privilege' grounds.
as far as i know, "being in Macedonia" is not a crime, in Macedonia, nor in Germany. Nor is 'having the last name of el-Masri'.
he is just one of many, many such cases. there were 5 or 6 here recently thrown out for the same reason, state secrets privilege.
this privilve btw was created in the 1950s so that the air force could cover up an airplane crash and avoid paying the widows of the crew their proper payments.
right now there are 5, possibly 6 people prosecuted under the Espionage Act
1. Thomas Andrews Drake
did not give sensitive material nor classified material to anyone, not a reporter. the government 'retroactively classified' a bunch of stuff in his basement, then charged him with 'retaining' it under the Espionage Act of 1917
2. Stephen Jin-Woo Kim
he had a single phone conversation with a reporter, about whether or not North Korea might test nukes. also under Espionage Act charges
3. Jeffrey Alexander Sterling
he was a source for James Risen's book "state of war", which details CIA screwups in the 1990s regarding Iran's nuclear program. the CIA actually helped give them nuclear information, when trying to give them disinformation. Sterling is facing Espionage Act charges
4. Shamai Leibowitz
nobody even knows what he did; his entire case was secretly settled before trial when he pled guilty. the Espionage Act was used against him.
5. Bradley Manning
whatever you think of the hundreds of thousands of emails, he is also being charged under the Espionage Act for leaking the Collateral Murder video . i.e. gun camera footage, which is all over youtube and the television, is now considered spying.
6. Unknown Cambridge person
There is a grand jury right now in the wikileaks case, one of the charges is 18 USC 793 (g), the almost never used 'conspiracy to commit espionage' law.
What do all these things have in common?
They are Espionage Act cases, not against government employees selling information to foreign governments.
They are people giving information to reporters. Some of them didn't even give classified information to reporters.
This is absolutely unprecedented in modern US history. Obama is turning the clock back to the Sedition Act of 1918
he spoke with a reporter. he gave her unclassified, non-sensitive information.
he was later sued under the Espionage act and could face 35 years in prison.
the government doesnt even claim he gave her classified information. they claim he 'lied about giving her classified information'. i.e. he told them he didnt give her classified information, and then the government decides to 'retroactively classify' a bunch of material, then it claims he was lying.
you cannot go to a land mass that has no legally declared owners or territorial sovereigns, and then claim that you somehow 'own' it. its ridiculous on it's face.
please do not harass mr boyd in any way. it is legal to share your opinion, it is illegal to threaten, abuse, initimidate, or harass someone. it is also morally wrong.
it is important to speak out against harassment not only because of the moral and ethical issues, but also because it is a classic 'false flag' of certain organizations to actively foment and promote violence using undercover agents inside of peaceful civil liberties groups.
Step 1: slip into the library bored on a friday night Step 2: go find books on nuclear weapons, magic mushrooms, bizarre sex acts, medical anomalies, etc. read to your hearts content.
New days:
Step 1. login with your government provided username and password Step 2. click on the warning notice that says all your activity is monitored and unauthorized activity will be punished Step 3. search for stuff. Step 4. try to tell yourself that everything you search for is not being stored in some database somewhere. even though it is. Step 5. try to tell yourself that the government needs a warrant to pull your records. even though it doesn't. Step 6. try to tell yourself that the library administrators and university bosses didn't get any kickbacks from the IT vendor, and that the process was fair, efficient, and put the needs of the students first. even though it didn't. Step 7. search for a book on how the US has become an emasculated, impotent group of yes men and intellectual cowards
Didn't you hear about the shortage? it's been going on for, I don't know, about 15 years now. A huge, massive retirement wave is hitting the librarian industry! You should definitely sign up for an MLS degree, ASAP! There, you can learn psychoanalytic theories about the hermeneutics of student based factors derived classroom application methods, from somebody who has never heard of Linux. Congratulations, you are well on your way to a noble profession, where you will work in a stultifying bureaucracy where any semblance of creativity or independent thought is treated like cancer and irradiated.
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and they dont even need to care about the 'law'.
A german citizen named Khalid El-Masri was in Macedonia, the CIA kidnapped him, tortured him, anally raped him, and then released him a while later. They got his name mixed up with a terrorist.
he sued. his case was thrown out on 'state secrets privilege' grounds.
as far as i know, "being in Macedonia" is not a crime, in Macedonia, nor in Germany. Nor is 'having the last name of el-Masri'.
he is just one of many, many such cases. there were 5 or 6 here recently thrown out for the same reason, state secrets privilege.
this privilve btw was created in the 1950s so that the air force could cover up an airplane crash and avoid paying the widows of the crew their proper payments.
im just saying.
their 'laws' dont always mean what they say they mean.
if you are rich, they will look aside as you do all sorts of illegal things that actually hurt real people
sure. there are people doing dumb things.
but then there are people doing bad things.
why don't we harsh on the people doing bad things, and leave the people doing dumb things alone?
the Espionage Act is being used against 6 people right now for their interactions with reporters.
i humbly suggest you look up the Irving v. Lipstadt trial.
Irving, a holocaust denier, sued Lipstadt, over a book she wrote about holocaust deniers.
he poured out dozens of accusations against her. she and her publisher had to spend untold wads of cash defending themselves in english court.
they are good enough for thailand
right now there are 5, possibly 6 people prosecuted under the Espionage Act
1. Thomas Andrews Drake
did not give sensitive material nor classified material to anyone, not a reporter.
the government 'retroactively classified' a bunch of stuff in his basement, then charged him with 'retaining' it under the Espionage Act of 1917
2. Stephen Jin-Woo Kim
he had a single phone conversation with a reporter, about whether or not North Korea might test nukes. also under Espionage Act charges
3. Jeffrey Alexander Sterling
he was a source for James Risen's book "state of war", which details CIA screwups in the 1990s regarding Iran's nuclear program. the CIA actually helped give them nuclear information, when trying to give them disinformation. Sterling is facing Espionage Act charges
4. Shamai Leibowitz
nobody even knows what he did; his entire case was secretly settled before trial when he pled guilty. the Espionage Act was used against him.
5. Bradley Manning
whatever you think of the hundreds of thousands of emails, he is also being charged under the Espionage Act for leaking the Collateral Murder video . i.e. gun camera footage, which is all over youtube and the television, is now considered spying.
6. Unknown Cambridge person
There is a grand jury right now in the wikileaks case, one of the charges is 18 USC 793 (g), the almost never used 'conspiracy to commit espionage' law.
What do all these things have in common?
They are Espionage Act cases, not against government employees selling information to foreign governments.
They are people giving information to reporters. Some of them didn't even give classified information to reporters.
This is absolutely unprecedented in modern US history. Obama is turning the clock back to the Sedition Act of 1918
look it up.
he spoke with a reporter. he gave her unclassified, non-sensitive information.
he was later sued under the Espionage act and could face 35 years in prison.
the government doesnt even claim he gave her classified information.
they claim he 'lied about giving her classified information'.
i.e. he told them he didnt give her classified information, and then the government decides to 'retroactively classify' a bunch of material, then it claims he was lying.
Go ask Thomas Drake, Stephen Kim, and Jeffrey Sterling what happens when you 'insult the government'.
and i took rocks off your porch, and i took them back to my place... well, to quote the great philosopher mike judge, "how is that not stealing?"
dont be fooled by the rocks that she got
they might not be the rocks from the box
she used to have a little now she wants alot
no matter where the case goes, we dont know where the rocks came from
nor should they have any arrest powers.
spent billions of dollars (in 1492 money) to visit the Americas.
does that mean he owned them?
you cannot go to a land mass that has no legally declared owners or territorial sovereigns, and then claim that you somehow 'own' it. its ridiculous on it's face.
repression of speech and disagreement is the problem, not the solution.
excellent information.
please do not harass mr boyd in any way. it is legal to share your opinion, it is illegal to threaten, abuse, initimidate, or harass someone. it is also morally wrong.
it is important to speak out against harassment not only because of the moral and ethical issues, but also because it is a classic 'false flag' of certain organizations to actively foment and promote violence using undercover agents inside of peaceful civil liberties groups.
thanks dude.
and take that new fangled alien contraption with ye, ye devil.
Spain has something like 40 percent youth unemployment. They just had a bunch of massive protests.
people say 'oh they wont track what you get'. uhm yes they will. they do already.
when Alex Jones starts actually making logical sense, you know this country is in trouble.
Old days:
Step 1: slip into the library bored on a friday night
Step 2: go find books on nuclear weapons, magic mushrooms, bizarre sex acts, medical anomalies, etc. read to your hearts content.
New days:
Step 1. login with your government provided username and password
Step 2. click on the warning notice that says all your activity is monitored and unauthorized activity will be punished
Step 3. search for stuff.
Step 4. try to tell yourself that everything you search for is not being stored in some database somewhere. even though it is.
Step 5. try to tell yourself that the government needs a warrant to pull your records. even though it doesn't.
Step 6. try to tell yourself that the library administrators and university bosses didn't get any kickbacks from the IT vendor, and that the process was fair, efficient, and put the needs of the students first. even though it didn't.
Step 7. search for a book on how the US has become an emasculated, impotent group of yes men and intellectual cowards
are you trying to tell us that the rest of the country is going to follow suit?
Didn't you hear about the shortage? it's been going on for, I don't know, about 15 years now. A huge, massive retirement wave is hitting the librarian industry! You should definitely sign up for an MLS degree, ASAP! There, you can learn psychoanalytic theories about the hermeneutics of student based factors derived classroom application methods, from somebody who has never heard of Linux. Congratulations, you are well on your way to a noble profession, where you will work in a stultifying bureaucracy where any semblance of creativity or independent thought is treated like cancer and irradiated.