in the USA, Judith Miller was thrown in jail for refusing to reveal a source James Risen has been subpoenad about the source for his book on the CIA
one of those suspected of being his source, Jeffrey Sterling, is under an Espionage Act prosecution, with possible 10 years jail time, for talking about CIA mistakes in the late 1990s.
Then there is Stephen Kim, another Espionage act case; his crime? telling a reporter North Korea might test a nuke.
Then there is Stephen Drake, espionage act case, for whistleblowing against the NSA... several of his friends homes were raided by the FBI, guns drawn. one of them is a diabetic with one leg. as
One of the UK ambassadors to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, wrote 2 books about what he saw there; torture, rape, abuse, violence, mass slavery, murder, all committed by our 'ally' in the 'global war on terror'. oh and i forgot to mention the children being anally raped in front of their relatives to force confessions about being in league with al qaeda.
in the US, our ambassadors said nothing. when some kid, Bradley Manning, dumps a bunch of their emails, he gets thrown in solitary, naked, 23 hours a day, being asked every 5 minutes 'are you OK'.
so no, i personally find australia's laws and UK's laws to be ridiculous. but the US is kind of moving in the same direction. The Espionage Act in particular, is becoming a de-facto State Secrets Act by virtue of our past 2 presidents, our court system, our media, and our education system.
i can't remember the exact instance, but i'm pretty sure that I read somewhere about Nazi and Soviet spy operations where the goal was to make the enemy leaders go fucking insane with paranoia and start wiping out their own people. alot of false flag stuff etc.
i wish i could remember the exact thing.. but my mind is moosh right now sorry.
"whatever fucked up agenda you're pushing in trying to link everything gay with child rape."
if you read the wikipedia article, it basically proves that THEY are the ones trying to link 'everything gay with child rape'. that is my problem with it. these are child molestation comics, and they are trying to present it as 'homosexual comics'. gay rights people have been fighting this stereotype for years, but the child abuse people keep wanting to conflate the two, as if somehow its 'liberation' to be able to molest children. so im not the one doing the conflating, the NAMBLA people are.
as for trying to say 'oh this title and this title were banned, and they are not really about child molestation'...great! fine. maybe its not what it looks like. maybe amazon is just screwing up or something. maybe amazon messed up.
however, thats not the argument the pro- yaoi people are using - they didnt mention which specific titles are banned. they dont care. so why should i have to mention them when refuting their argument? their argument is not about specific titles, it is about the whole category of yaoi, which they portray as 'cutesy man-on-man action for women', which is clearly not true, and clearly disingenuous and clearly not accurate. yaoi, as a genre, is about children molesting each other, including anal rape, which is explicitly mentioned in the wikipedia article. these people are trying to argue that white is black and up is down. its simply not true.
these so-called freedom activists do not give a flying fuck about freedom of speech for other people (certainly, they right now wish i were banned off slashdot).
everyone seems to be repeating this... and nobody seems to have any evidence.
the idea that women in japan somehow are huge fans of child sexual molestation is just bizarre.
why do people accept this idea? who knows. but they shouldnt, they should apply the same intellectual skepticism here that they would to any other claim.
we've been hoodwinked. bamboozled. led astray. run amok.
the idea that 12 year old boys getting raped is going to have a primary customer base of women is, just, idiotic.
this is NAMBLA propaganda, and slashdot in its 'knee jerk freedom of speech rights' thing has been hoodwinked and bamboozled by this crowd into accepting all sorts of lies and misleading statements.
from wikipedia. literally, its boys getting anally raped.
the NAMBLA bear crowd on the internet, which apparently has a large contingent on slashdot (frightening), wants you to think its 'porn for women' of 'consensual homosexual relationships between men'. thats the usual fucking NAMBLA propaganda.
'pubsecent' = 11, 12 years old. the idea that 'women' are going to be the primary customers of this is naive in the extreme.
notice also the wikipedia article has magically redefined rape so that its not a big deal. its typical propaganda.
go to a NAMBLA meeting and try to exercise your 'free speech' rights. then you will find out how much they care about the 'principle'.
free speech doesnt mean Amazon can be forced to sell child porn... just like free speech has limits on defamation and all sorts of other common sense stuff.
please show me one article, any article, where the market for this stuff is 'school girls'. please just show me one legitimate article discussing this. amongst all the feminist studies of pornography and human sexuality , please just show me anything, anywhere, that backs up your statement.
there are a lot of arguments here about 'free speech' and all that.
freedom of speech does not mean that a bunch of NAMBLA people can force a corporation to sell child porn. that is not what freedom of speech is about.
and i can guarantee the NAMBLA people do not want any 'free speech' to occur at their conventions, in their news groups, or on their websites. it is not about free speech, it is about legitimizing child sexual abuse.
"free speech" is just something they try to co-opt , sort of like comparing themselves to LGBT activists... its nonsense. especially in this world where so much actual freedom of speech, say, critical of governments, is being attacked.. you never see a headline like "NAMBLA supports freedom of speech in Uzbekistan".. beacuse they dont give a shit. "NAMBLA supports freedom of speech for survivors of child sexual abuse" -- another headline you will neve see.
good question. i did a google search on yaoi manga, i can see a screenshot of a video on youtube, and i can read the summaries of the articles that are linked to. and you can tell pretty damned easily what is really going on.
the whole 'female audience' thing is very likely to be utter fucking bullshit. notice the wikipedia article doesnt even have citations.
there is actually a contingent of 'NAMBLA' types who edit wikipedia... they have repeatedly tried to create POV articles that promote child sexual abuse as some sort of neutral activity and they repeatedly get deleted, and there are tons of edit wars on the articles that do exist because these NAMBLA people do not want anyone criticizing their viewpoint.
its propaganda, if you go download a bunch of yaoi, which i recommend not doing if you want to stay out of prison, you will find out that this stuff on wikipedia is garbage.
if you go download 500 megabytes of Yaoi Manga, and then show it to feminists, social workers, people who deal with survivors of child sexual abuse, anti-rape activists, police from Special Victims Units, psychologists specializing in rape trauma, etc etc, im sure they will have interesting opinions for you.
lolita was not written so people could jack off to child sexual abuse... it was written to point out the horror of it.
story of o --- has nothing to do with children
Exit to Eden -- has nothing to do with children
Belinda --- has nothing to do with children
if you asked the authors of these works how they felt about being lumped in with child pornography, they would scream bloody murder. Anne Rice would vomit and violently rebuke anyone who tried to compare her work like that. Vladimir Nabokov would stare down anyone who did this. It is completely and totally conflating two things that are not conflatable, in any way, shape, or form.
This type of propaganda has been crushed, repeatedly, over decades, by the actual, real 'sexual freedom' movement - the LGBT people do not want anything to do with this. they do not want to touch it with a ten foot pole. they dont want anything to do with it and they dont want to be lumped in with it.
This has nothing to do with 'sexual freedom' or 'free speech'. it has only to do with the 'boy love' crowd trying to legitimize child sexual abuse. It is propaganda, pure and simple.
anyone who spends enough time on wikipedia will understand that most products of the US govt are public domain under copyright law. im thinking that trying to trademark a US government moniker is going to run right into that issue of IP Law. taxpayers are who put up the money for government entities to exist and thus theoretically they (the public) own it.
Slashdot Mirror
people, for now, still do.
who were sued by Sony, in part, for posting a number on a website.
in the USA, Judith Miller was thrown in jail for refusing to reveal a source
James Risen has been subpoenad about the source for his book on the CIA
one of those suspected of being his source, Jeffrey Sterling, is under an Espionage Act prosecution, with possible 10 years jail time, for talking about CIA mistakes in the late 1990s.
Then there is Stephen Kim, another Espionage act case; his crime? telling a reporter North Korea might test a nuke.
Then there is Stephen Drake, espionage act case, for whistleblowing against the NSA ... several of his friends homes were raided by the FBI, guns drawn. one of them is a diabetic with one leg. as
One of the UK ambassadors to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, wrote 2 books about what he saw there; torture, rape, abuse, violence, mass slavery, murder, all committed by our 'ally' in the 'global war on terror'. oh and i forgot to mention the children being anally raped in front of their relatives to force confessions about being in league with al qaeda.
in the US, our ambassadors said nothing. when some kid, Bradley Manning, dumps a bunch of their emails, he gets thrown in solitary, naked, 23 hours a day, being asked every 5 minutes 'are you OK'.
so no, i personally find australia's laws and UK's laws to be ridiculous. but the US is kind of moving in the same direction. The Espionage Act in particular, is becoming a de-facto State Secrets Act by virtue of our past 2 presidents, our court system, our media, and our education system.
its bad all over.
i would be very interested in understanding more about this program, if you wish. my email is decorat at mail dot com
is that theft too?
the 'terrorists' apparently also hate Saudi Arabia for it's freedoms.. beacuse they blow themselves up there too.
i can't remember the exact instance, but i'm pretty sure that I read somewhere about Nazi and Soviet spy operations where the goal was to make the enemy leaders go fucking insane with paranoia and start wiping out their own people. alot of false flag stuff etc.
i wish i could remember the exact thing .. but my mind is moosh right now sorry.
"whatever fucked up agenda you're pushing in trying to link everything gay with child rape."
if you read the wikipedia article, it basically proves that THEY are the ones trying to link 'everything gay with child rape'. that is my problem with it. these are child molestation comics, and they are trying to present it as 'homosexual comics'. gay rights people have been fighting this stereotype for years, but the child abuse people keep wanting to conflate the two, as if somehow its 'liberation' to be able to molest children. so im not the one doing the conflating, the NAMBLA people are.
as for trying to say 'oh this title and this title were banned, and they are not really about child molestation'...great! fine. maybe its not what it looks like. maybe amazon is just screwing up or something. maybe amazon messed up.
however, thats not the argument the pro- yaoi people are using - they didnt mention which specific titles are banned. they dont care. so why should i have to mention them when refuting their argument? their argument is not about specific titles, it is about the whole category of yaoi, which they portray as 'cutesy man-on-man action for women', which is clearly not true, and clearly disingenuous and clearly not accurate. yaoi, as a genre, is about children molesting each other, including anal rape, which is explicitly mentioned in the wikipedia article. these people are trying to argue that white is black and up is down. its simply not true.
these so-called freedom activists do not give a flying fuck about freedom of speech for other people (certainly, they right now wish i were banned off slashdot).
great. now fucking Bashir knows to kill evey donkey on the border and to kill anyone close to the border. thanks alot journalism!
this is a disgusting meme, but it seems to keep popping up over the years.
LGBT people, in general, do not believe in child sexual abuse nor do they support child pornography.
everyone seems to be repeating this... and nobody seems to have any evidence.
the idea that women in japan somehow are huge fans of child sexual molestation is just bizarre.
why do people accept this idea? who knows. but they shouldnt, they should apply the same intellectual skepticism here that they would to any other claim.
jesus guys, dont you see whats going on here? they are straight up lying about this stuff.
to find out that his work on censorship is being used to justify child pornography.
NAMBLA doesnt give a fuck about freedom of speech. they only care about legitimizing child sexual abuse.
they cannot force a private company to sell child porn. thats not what free speech is about.
slashdot is full of gullible people who get things mixed up real quick and are very vulnerable to propaganda.
we've been hoodwinked. bamboozled. led astray. run amok.
the idea that 12 year old boys getting raped is going to have a primary customer base of women is, just, idiotic.
this is NAMBLA propaganda, and slashdot in its 'knee jerk freedom of speech rights' thing has been hoodwinked and bamboozled by this crowd into accepting all sorts of lies and misleading statements.
from wikipedia. literally, its boys getting anally raped.
the NAMBLA bear crowd on the internet, which apparently has a large contingent on slashdot (frightening), wants you to think its 'porn for women' of 'consensual homosexual relationships between men'. thats the usual fucking NAMBLA propaganda.
'pubsecent' = 11, 12 years old. the idea that 'women' are going to be the primary customers of this is naive in the extreme.
notice also the wikipedia article has magically redefined rape so that its not a big deal. its typical propaganda.
go to a NAMBLA meeting and try to exercise your 'free speech' rights. then you will find out how much they care about the 'principle'.
free speech doesnt mean Amazon can be forced to sell child porn... just like free speech has limits on defamation and all sorts of other common sense stuff.
please show me one article, any article, where the market for this stuff is 'school girls'. please just show me one legitimate article discussing this. amongst all the feminist studies of pornography and human sexuality , please just show me anything, anywhere, that backs up your statement.
there are a lot of arguments here about 'free speech' and all that.
freedom of speech does not mean that a bunch of NAMBLA people can force a corporation to sell child porn. that is not what freedom of speech is about.
and i can guarantee the NAMBLA people do not want any 'free speech' to occur at their conventions, in their news groups, or on their websites. it is not about free speech, it is about legitimizing child sexual abuse.
"free speech" is just something they try to co-opt , sort of like comparing themselves to LGBT activists... its nonsense. especially in this world where so much actual freedom of speech, say, critical of governments, is being attacked.. you never see a headline like "NAMBLA supports freedom of speech in Uzbekistan" .. beacuse they dont give a shit. "NAMBLA supports freedom of speech for survivors of child sexual abuse" -- another headline you will neve see.
good question. i did a google search on yaoi manga, i can see a screenshot of a video on youtube, and i can read the summaries of the articles that are linked to. and you can tell pretty damned easily what is really going on.
the whole 'female audience' thing is very likely to be utter fucking bullshit. notice the wikipedia article doesnt even have citations.
there is actually a contingent of 'NAMBLA' types who edit wikipedia ... they have repeatedly tried to create POV articles that promote child sexual abuse as some sort of neutral activity and they repeatedly get deleted, and there are tons of edit wars on the articles that do exist because these NAMBLA people do not want anyone criticizing their viewpoint.
its propaganda, if you go download a bunch of yaoi, which i recommend not doing if you want to stay out of prison, you will find out that this stuff on wikipedia is garbage.
if you go download 500 megabytes of Yaoi Manga, and then show it to feminists, social workers, people who deal with survivors of child sexual abuse, anti-rape activists, police from Special Victims Units, psychologists specializing in rape trauma, etc etc, im sure they will have interesting opinions for you.
lolita was not written so people could jack off to child sexual abuse... it was written to point out the horror of it.
story of o --- has nothing to do with children
Exit to Eden -- has nothing to do with children
Belinda --- has nothing to do with children
if you asked the authors of these works how they felt about being lumped in with child pornography, they would scream bloody murder. Anne Rice would vomit and violently rebuke anyone who tried to compare her work like that. Vladimir Nabokov would stare down anyone who did this. It is completely and totally conflating two things that are not conflatable, in any way, shape, or form.
This type of propaganda has been crushed, repeatedly, over decades, by the actual, real 'sexual freedom' movement - the LGBT people do not want anything to do with this. they do not want to touch it with a ten foot pole. they dont want anything to do with it and they dont want to be lumped in with it.
This has nothing to do with 'sexual freedom' or 'free speech'. it has only to do with the 'boy love' crowd trying to legitimize child sexual abuse. It is propaganda, pure and simple.
they love that kind of stuff there.
thats what i call an 'efficient market'.
anyone who spends enough time on wikipedia will understand that most products of the US govt are public domain under copyright law. im thinking that trying to trademark a US government moniker is going to run right into that issue of IP Law. taxpayers are who put up the money for government entities to exist and thus theoretically they (the public) own it.