I am 18. I first started programming around 8, but my interest increased from 12-onwards (8-13 was mostly just HTML, Javascript and PHP without much knowledge; at 12 I picked up C++ and, from there, I developed my skills). If you can fit my young years in the "current time", then, yes, kids still like to do it. Though, we're ~200 in our "Informatics Engineering" course (the best in Portugal) and very very few people learned to program alone (as in: developed interest and went with it). Some more have learned to do some programming because they chose to study technology right at the age of 15, but what they learned is really basic and somewhat flawed. I know 4 people that came into here with good programming skills, but none of them had a deep knowledge of computer architecture: either they coded "web" or they coded very very high-level stuff. So I'd say I'm an exception, together with them; we're still here, though.
I get what you're saying, but I disagree. It is intuitive in the sense that you do not need to read the manual for that specific application / feature, because you have learned to use other applications/features. So, yes, you get used to the way of thinking and not to a specific app, for which it then becomes intuitive.
+1. Man pages are certainly useful and a big reference, but the internet and a pair of brain hemispheres helps you sort out anything. Really. I bet you can get results for "awk getting a third word" or "fourth word", etc...
While I understand your point of view, most of these things can be changed. Many of my user programs go in a ~/bin folder. I can have aliases for ls (in fact I do; I am ware that it still means that ls is the actual command). I rarely ever mount stuff at/mnt, just because it is a plain old directory, with no particular implications. Again, I kind of agree with you, but that isn't different to Windows. Your personal stuff is in the registry, in the My Documents folder (which has been changing name recently, besides splitting itself), in the Application Data folder (hidden and now split in three), in the Local Data folder (again, split in whatnot) and a bunch of other crap. It's mostly the same in these OSes -- what happens is that most of us got used to using Windows and learned their way of trying to think.
Exactly, much like you have to pay to use closed, inherently unsafe, monopolist and overly priced shitty OS with an ever more arcane API. The good thing about it is that it has been mostly the same API and mostly the same technique to force users to use that OS. If it weren't for that, then Windows would have died a long time ago.
More like the majority of the 90% of people that were forced to use and learn to use Windows computers. Much like you were forced to speak and understand your language, not others. The difference is that one of the things was free and constructive, while the other was mostly an attempt at getting in your pockets.
Like many have pointed out, if you get used to it and know it, it's intuitive. As an analogy, I have a friend who grew up with Linux, so whenever he reached Windows he had the same criticism, because he had to memorize all the clicks here and there, besides interpreting the arcane translations and dubious time estimates, etc, etc, etc. Furthermore, even though they are "3rd party", many simple applications do that with ease and without having to be tied up to a crappy monopolist OS.
Sure, because with my greed to collect the works of others I can buy cars, better health insurance, bribe people, etc. Oh, and these "others" also get paid so much, right?
I did not deny that at all. Whaat I am saying is that these are not "double-standards". When copyright is brought up and bashed, it's because a company wants to make (usually too much) money from it. When GPL comes up it's because...a company wants to make money abusing GPL...or something similar.
The thing is that most copyright stuff involves getting money out of that project, while the GPL stuff might also involve money, just the other way around.
So...you're mad because you hang out in slashdot? So...you're mad because open-source can have some triumph? So...you're mad because there are people out there who believe in supporting a cause? So...you're mad because a site with a high density of Linux users seems to support Linux some more? So...you're mad because Microsoft isn't paying you? So...what the fuck is up in your fucking twisted mind?
Slashdot Mirror
Wine's safe. And everything else associated with it.
Mod parent up!
I think therefore I make science? I don't think so. Agree with everything else, though.
That is AMAZING! I couldn't top laughing! I seriously hope that *was* meant as a joke.
You do know that Chromium in itself is open-source, right?
ReactOS struggled with SEH, but they found a way.
I am 18. I first started programming around 8, but my interest increased from 12-onwards (8-13 was mostly just HTML, Javascript and PHP without much knowledge; at 12 I picked up C++ and, from there, I developed my skills). If you can fit my young years in the "current time", then, yes, kids still like to do it. Though, we're ~200 in our "Informatics Engineering" course (the best in Portugal) and very very few people learned to program alone (as in: developed interest and went with it). Some more have learned to do some programming because they chose to study technology right at the age of 15, but what they learned is really basic and somewhat flawed. I know 4 people that came into here with good programming skills, but none of them had a deep knowledge of computer architecture: either they coded "web" or they coded very very high-level stuff. So I'd say I'm an exception, together with them; we're still here, though.
How is this news? It's been in Wikipedia for years!
Don't know, probably because he doesn't represent a big enough portion of the community in spite of having a mind of his own?
Stuff that matters?
Small interview, not anything new is added. Trolls will enjoy the old Java versus C++ thing again.
Seriously, a big disappointment.
EPIC!
I get what you're saying, but I disagree. It is intuitive in the sense that you do not need to read the manual for that specific application / feature, because you have learned to use other applications /features. So, yes, you get used to the way of thinking and not to a specific app, for which it then becomes intuitive.
+1. Man pages are certainly useful and a big reference, but the internet and a pair of brain hemispheres helps you sort out anything. Really. I bet you can get results for "awk getting a third word" or "fourth word", etc...
While I understand your point of view, most of these things can be changed. Many of my user programs go in a ~/bin folder. I can have aliases for ls (in fact I do; I am ware that it still means that ls is the actual command). I rarely ever mount stuff at /mnt, just because it is a plain old directory, with no particular implications.
Again, I kind of agree with you, but that isn't different to Windows. Your personal stuff is in the registry, in the My Documents folder (which has been changing name recently, besides splitting itself), in the Application Data folder (hidden and now split in three), in the Local Data folder (again, split in whatnot) and a bunch of other crap. It's mostly the same in these OSes -- what happens is that most of us got used to using Windows and learned their way of trying to think.
Exactly, much like you have to pay to use closed, inherently unsafe, monopolist and overly priced shitty OS with an ever more arcane API. The good thing about it is that it has been mostly the same API and mostly the same technique to force users to use that OS. If it weren't for that, then Windows would have died a long time ago.
More like the majority of the 90% of people that were forced to use and learn to use Windows computers. Much like you were forced to speak and understand your language, not others. The difference is that one of the things was free and constructive, while the other was mostly an attempt at getting in your pockets.
Like many have pointed out, if you get used to it and know it, it's intuitive. As an analogy, I have a friend who grew up with Linux, so whenever he reached Windows he had the same criticism, because he had to memorize all the clicks here and there, besides interpreting the arcane translations and dubious time estimates, etc, etc, etc.
Furthermore, even though they are "3rd party", many simple applications do that with ease and without having to be tied up to a crappy monopolist OS.
That happens to me with Office.
Sure, because with my greed to collect the works of others I can buy cars, better health insurance, bribe people, etc. Oh, and these "others" also get paid so much, right?
I did not deny that at all. Whaat I am saying is that these are not "double-standards". When copyright is brought up and bashed, it's because a company wants to make (usually too much) money from it. When GPL comes up it's because...a company wants to make money abusing GPL...or something similar.
The thing is that most copyright stuff involves getting money out of that project, while the GPL stuff might also involve money, just the other way around.
I believe you. That, however, does not deny that it did not popup here in these fully updated legal copies of windows.
So...you're mad because you hang out in slashdot?
So...you're mad because open-source can have some triumph?
So...you're mad because there are people out there who believe in supporting a cause?
So...you're mad because a site with a high density of Linux users seems to support Linux some more?
So...you're mad because Microsoft isn't paying you?
So...what the fuck is up in your fucking twisted mind?
Given the trend, we'll have to pay Microsoft for it, no matter what laws they break.