NT was designed at the start to be cross platform, they felt at the time they wanted not to be tied down to Intel chips. They designed it to a small HAL (hardware abstraction layer) which virtualized the processor and system resources and only more recently have they become x86 only. I forgot the first platform, I'm thinking the (RISC) Intel i960, but I'm not sure. At one time NT ran on ix86, PowerPC, MIPS, and Alpha. I do think #3 is no longer true though, They dropped support for all other chips a whle back; none of the other chips had the volume to justify further NT development.
OpenBSD was branched from NetBSD well before IPv6 support came out. The kernels have diverged quite a lot since then. There is no enhanced risk for NetBSD. I doubt if other systems are vulnerable, just because of the fact that knowledge about security and DOS holes are shared pretty freely between the groups, and we haven't heard about FreeBSD or NetBSD.
C/C++ standard only guarantees sizeof(long) >= sizeof(int) >= sizeof(short). MS had this issue going from MSVC 1.5 (a 16 bit compiler, sizeof(int) == 2) to MSVC 4 (32 bit compiler, sizeof(int) == 4).
Java defines sizes. sizeof(int) == 4, and always will.
If your old grandmother would like to use [the Ferrari] to crawl to the nearest shop at 20MPH, she can. That would be a pretty tall stack of phone books to have my grandma see over the steering wheel of a Ferrari. Quite a few blocks of wood to have her be able to depress the clutch as well.
First-ever Slashdotted game console period? Unlikely, since there have been Linux and Apache ports to the PS2 and DreamCast for some time. They probably slashdotted an XBOX as well.
Solaris is a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit or 64 bit userland. Each app needs to be eitehr pure 32 bit or pure 64 bit. That's probably the approach most would take, instead of the evil thunking that was around in Win95
I've got Cygwin running on my desktop (the best way to make Windows usable) but I can't stand running any KDE apps. If you don't have KDE running, trying to start any KDE app takes a minute or two to launch because of all the back-end plumbing. If I do run the KDE desktop, it takes up too much memory and tends to get in my way. From a technical point of view, getting it to run at all is pretty amazing though.
I do run the occassional GNOME app on Cygwin, inclusing the Gimp Startup times are slow, but manageable. Not a flame, just my experience.
1) Doing feature comparisons is pointless. Checkbox marketing is not the way to select a server. If I had a server admin that changed machines often to get new features, I'd fire him.
2) PAE has not been in there for years. It was a collection of hacked patches for years, finally getting released into linux 2.6, and backported to the RedHat Advanced Server 3.0 (Linux 2.4) kernel. Both Linux and FreeBSD had badly designed multi-threaded subsystmes for a while. They both just came up with sane, though different approaches very recently. Linux with NPTL in V 2.6 (also backported to RH AS 3.0) and FreeBSD with KSE in 5.x.
Not sure why I'm feeding a troll, but someone may be able to use this info.
Sounds like the Bradley, which at first was a low cost, armored troop transport. It got hi-jacked to be a bit of everything, in order to bloat budgets and have hangers on. It eventually got a light tank turret, TOW missiles, and the amount of troops it was supposed to carry (it's supposed mission) got lower and lower with each rev. Did I mention the cool armor, which in early revs, happened to burn? See The Pentagon Wars, if you can. Good stuff.
Was anyone else reminded of the Old Star Trek episode where warfare became virtual, and wars never ended because all losses became acceptable?
Though I'm glad that this will mean fewer American servicemen will be put at risk (I have some friends in the service, some served in Desert Storm) part of the "calculus of war" has been the fear of risking your citizens, and dealing with the political fallout of that.
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Not gonna happen. In the Apache discussion, they wer quoted as basically saying "People adjust to deal with us; we don't adjust to deal with anyone." RMS is a zealot (said as a statement, with no judgment on good or bad). He has his agenda, and writing code is more of a means to it rather than the end itself. What you say means that he changes what his end goals are, and zealots don't do that.
Though the letter of the license is very clear, I think the spirit of the license conflicts with RMS's spirit on the GNU/Linux thing (and Gnu/Lenux, where his favorite distro has managed to remove Linux entirely from the name). This would make me want to license my software on a license other than the GPL.
RMS is a zealot, and I say that with no judgment on good or bad. It's just a statement that indicates his flexibility on matters, of which there is none. I don't agree with his views, and stances like this make me disagree with the GPL more and more. Most FSF code has the entire license embedded in it (run strings on gdb) yes someone asking for a sentence for their contribution is called excessive.
This is free software, done for the community good. If I work thousands of hours to get some software that the community may use, and all I ask is a 1 line blurb that says "written by me" that doesn't seem unrerasonable. If you want to piggyback on hours of coding and testing by someone else, you put in a couple lines in some doc file someplace. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
Any gnu software I get has the entire GPL license which inclues some of their manifesto, and a COPYING file in the distro. How is this any less obnoxious than someone asking for a sentence in the documentation somewhere? If I run gdb --version, instead of just getting the version, I get a paragraph. I didn't say gdb --copyright. Evidently if it's done by RMS, it's not obnoxious.
Those may have been Stallman's original goals, but not necessarily of gcc anymore. Remember that the maintainers of gcc now aren't the original Stallman lead, FSF gcc folks, but of the splinter egcs group that forked gcc because they were extremely frustrated with the progress of gcc under the FSF. Once it became evident that egcs was making progress leaps and bounds past the FSF gcc, (to Stallman's credit) work on FSF gcc was dropped, and the egcs gcc became the official gcc.
People think that "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" was made in comparison between commercial and non-commercial programming models. It actually was modeled on FSF gcc (the Cathedral) and Linux kernel (the Bazaar) development. Eventually, at least in gcc development, the Bazaar won.
The Sun compiler has some optimizations, not turned on in this test, that gcc doesn't even offer. Scheduling optimization based on profiles from previous runs (rarely used) optimization and inlining across source files and across all program object files, ordering to help pagefault analysis, enable instruction prefetch, etc. If would be interesting to see if these have vast or just incremental improvements in the runtimes. I think Sun is adding auto-parallelization to future compilers. Most people don't use these optimizations since they imply some work and some testing to see whether or not they help a particular dataset. I know we don't, by the time we get something that we could test, we're already on a new codebase.
That said, the fact that a generic compiler like gcc is within spitting distance of Forte or SunONE or whatever they call it this week is impressive.
Using DEPRECATED compilers is just as stupid as using DEPRECATED kernels(2.4, just to name one) How is 2.4 deprecated? 2.6 is not even in all distros yet. Even Linus says wait on 2.6.1 or 2.6.2 to get any real work done.
A couple days ago, a local televisions station (Fox 32 Chicago) had a 20 second blurb on the worm. It said there was a new computer virus around. The picture? Apple iMac. At least it was the newer iMac, I'm surprised they didn't put a IIci on there.
The blurb had no information on what to do. Didn't say it was an MS virus, didn't say to go to any website to see what you could do. Just announced "another virus". Waste of time.
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I should sue somebody over HTTP as I also own the idea of hypertext.
BT beat you to it.
NT was designed at the start to be cross platform, they felt at the time they wanted not to be tied down to Intel chips. They designed it to a small HAL (hardware abstraction layer) which virtualized the processor and system resources and only more recently have they become x86 only. I forgot the first platform, I'm thinking the (RISC) Intel i960, but I'm not sure. At one time NT ran on ix86, PowerPC, MIPS, and Alpha. I do think #3 is no longer true though, They dropped support for all other chips a whle back; none of the other chips had the volume to justify further NT development.
OpenBSD was branched from NetBSD well before IPv6 support came out. The kernels have diverged quite a lot since then. There is no enhanced risk for NetBSD. I doubt if other systems are vulnerable, just because of the fact that knowledge about security and DOS holes are shared pretty freely between the groups, and we haven't heard about FreeBSD or NetBSD.
The original NT TCP/IP stack was from BSD. They've sinced ripped it out and put in their own.
No. They use very different kernels, though a lot of code is shared among them.
C/C++ standard only guarantees sizeof(long) >= sizeof(int) >= sizeof(short). MS had this issue going from MSVC 1.5 (a 16 bit compiler, sizeof(int) == 2) to MSVC 4 (32 bit compiler, sizeof(int) == 4).
Java defines sizes. sizeof(int) == 4, and always will.
If your old grandmother would like to use [the Ferrari] to crawl to the nearest shop at 20MPH, she can.
That would be a pretty tall stack of phone books to have my grandma see over the steering wheel of a Ferrari. Quite a few blocks of wood to have her be able to depress the clutch as well.
Of course some really skunky beers don't either.
I see you've mistakenly tried Coors Light too....
First-ever Slashdotted game console period?
Unlikely, since there have been Linux and Apache ports to the PS2 and DreamCast for some time. They probably slashdotted an XBOX as well.
Now if they get an atari 2600.. I'd be impressed.
Solaris is a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit or 64 bit userland. Each app needs to be eitehr pure 32 bit or pure 64 bit. That's probably the approach most would take, instead of the evil thunking that was around in Win95
It's 10 years.
I've got Cygwin running on my desktop (the best way to make Windows usable) but I can't stand running any KDE apps. If you don't have KDE running, trying to start any KDE app takes a minute or two to launch because of all the back-end plumbing. If I do run the KDE desktop, it takes up too much memory and tends to get in my way. From a technical point of view, getting it to run at all is pretty amazing though.
I do run the occassional GNOME app on Cygwin, inclusing the Gimp Startup times are slow, but manageable. Not a flame, just my experience.
That's not Bill, that's Steve, and he's displaying normal behavior, move along.
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1) Doing feature comparisons is pointless. Checkbox marketing is not the way to select a server. If I had a server admin that changed machines often to get new features, I'd fire him.
2) PAE has not been in there for years. It was a collection of hacked patches for years, finally getting released into linux 2.6, and backported to the RedHat Advanced Server 3.0 (Linux 2.4) kernel.
Both Linux and FreeBSD had badly designed multi-threaded subsystmes for a while. They both just came up with sane, though different approaches very recently. Linux with NPTL in V 2.6 (also backported to RH AS 3.0) and FreeBSD with KSE in 5.x.
Not sure why I'm feeding a troll, but someone may be able to use this info.
Sounds like the Bradley, which at first was a low cost, armored troop transport. It got hi-jacked to be a bit of everything, in order to bloat budgets and have hangers on. It eventually got a light tank turret, TOW missiles, and the amount of troops it was supposed to carry (it's supposed mission) got lower and lower with each rev. Did I mention the cool armor, which in early revs, happened to burn? See The Pentagon Wars, if you can. Good stuff.
Was anyone else reminded of the Old Star Trek episode where warfare became virtual, and wars never ended because all losses became acceptable?
Though I'm glad that this will mean fewer American servicemen will be put at risk (I have some friends in the service, some served in Desert Storm) part of the "calculus of war" has been the fear of risking your citizens, and dealing with the political fallout of that.
Not gonna happen. In the Apache discussion, they wer quoted as basically saying "People adjust to deal with us; we don't adjust to deal with anyone." RMS is a zealot (said as a statement, with no judgment on good or bad). He has his agenda, and writing code is more of a means to it rather than the end itself. What you say means that he changes what his end goals are, and zealots don't do that.
Though the letter of the license is very clear, I think the spirit of the license conflicts with RMS's spirit on the GNU/Linux thing (and Gnu/Lenux, where his favorite distro has managed to remove Linux entirely from the name). This would make me want to license my software on a license other than the GPL.
RMS is a zealot, and I say that with no judgment on good or bad. It's just a statement that indicates his flexibility on matters, of which there is none. I don't agree with his views, and stances like this make me disagree with the GPL more and more. Most FSF code has the entire license embedded in it (run strings on gdb) yes someone asking for a sentence for their contribution is called excessive.
This is free software, done for the community good. If I work thousands of hours to get some software that the community may use, and all I ask is a 1 line blurb that says "written by me" that doesn't seem unrerasonable. If you want to piggyback on hours of coding and testing by someone else, you put in a couple lines in some doc file someplace. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
Any gnu software I get has the entire GPL license which inclues some of their manifesto, and a COPYING file in the distro. How is this any less obnoxious than someone asking for a sentence in the documentation somewhere? If I run gdb --version, instead of just getting the version, I get a paragraph. I didn't say gdb --copyright. Evidently if it's done by RMS, it's not obnoxious.
Those may have been Stallman's original goals, but not necessarily of gcc anymore. Remember that the maintainers of gcc now aren't the original Stallman lead, FSF gcc folks, but of the splinter egcs group that forked gcc because they were extremely frustrated with the progress of gcc under the FSF. Once it became evident that egcs was making progress leaps and bounds past the FSF gcc, (to Stallman's credit) work on FSF gcc was dropped, and the egcs gcc became the official gcc.
People think that "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" was made in comparison between commercial and non-commercial programming models. It actually was modeled on FSF gcc (the Cathedral) and Linux kernel (the Bazaar) development. Eventually, at least in gcc development, the Bazaar won.
The Sun compiler has some optimizations, not turned on in this test, that gcc doesn't even offer. Scheduling optimization based on profiles from previous runs (rarely used) optimization and inlining across source files and across all program object files, ordering to help pagefault analysis, enable instruction prefetch, etc. If would be interesting to see if these have vast or just incremental improvements in the runtimes. I think Sun is adding auto-parallelization to future compilers. Most people don't use these optimizations since they imply some work and some testing to see whether or not they help a particular dataset. I know we don't, by the time we get something that we could test, we're already on a new codebase.
That said, the fact that a generic compiler like gcc is within spitting distance of Forte or SunONE or whatever they call it this week is impressive.
Using DEPRECATED compilers is just as stupid as using DEPRECATED kernels(2.4, just to name one)
How is 2.4 deprecated? 2.6 is not even in all distros yet. Even Linus says wait on 2.6.1 or 2.6.2 to get any real work done.
A couple days ago, a local televisions station (Fox 32 Chicago) had a 20 second blurb on the worm. It said there was a new computer virus around. The picture? Apple iMac. At least it was the newer iMac, I'm surprised they didn't put a IIci on there.
The blurb had no information on what to do. Didn't say it was an MS virus, didn't say to go to any website to see what you could do. Just announced "another virus". Waste of time.
It was Cringely, and MS is kind of following this plan with their own design to get rid of spam
Another Silly Software Hole.
Damn, and I had mod points, but I already posted...