Interestingly there was a push back in 2006 by Intel to standardize the Laptop industry by making standards for cases, mobos, etc. so that they could be built by people.
If it is the case where laptops will overcome PCs, it may still happen.
I doubt it, it means the average laptop would have a huge amount of wasted space to accommodate the hardcore gamer who wants to put in a mobile SLi/Crossfire setup and cooling for a 6-core CPU.
Because microsoft's product 'Windows' isn't a 'windows', you wouldn't be violating their trademark to market your product as having GUI elements called 'windows' because that's not what microsoft's product is. In the case of apple you wouldn't be able to use multitouch to describe the invention multitouch on your product, which is why that trademark gets rejected.
Actually it appears you don't know what you're talking about, that article in no way whatsoever refutes my comment, i'm guessing you didn't even read it.
Except that Windows was a windowing system in its original incarnation, leaving us with another descriptive trademark.
A windowing system, not a 'windows' and there is a GUI element called a 'window' and you can have multiple 'windows' and you can most certainly use that term without violating the trademark because the trademark isn't for a product describing the GUI element.
If you are really serious about reform, and you applaud USPTO's rejection of this term, you must also support revoking the Microsoft trademark on "Windows".
Is it really still not obvious to some people why Windows is a valid trademark? Same as Apple? Yes they are generic words but they aren't generic words describing the entity/product. Windows (the Microsoft trademarked name) is not a windows, it is an Operating System. Apple (the Apple Inc. trademarked name) is not an apple, it is a Company. MultiTouch would be just describing the invention multitouch, just as App Store is just describing an application (or commonly termed 'app') store.
Considering a near three-decade long history of Multi touch RnD (starting with University of Toronto, followed by Bell Labs and Xerox, et al...) a patent awarded to apple would be quite a spit in the face of everyone who made the technology possible in the first place.
Not only is TFA (and even TFS) clearly about trademarks and not patents but Apple do have a patent on multitouch.
It's useful to actually know what you're talking about before calling someone out like that. I'm not sure what you're basing this post on because VLC is quite clearly GPLv2 and *not* v3 as you can see here:
Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
You can also have a look in the COPYING file in the source code and you will find: GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
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Yes it can run games, and most of the time acceptably, but its a compromise.
It's only a compromise if you want it to be a compromise, you don't have to multitask while playing a game.
However, the choppiness during game-play still persists. I'm surprised that you dont experience it - it seems the only way that would be possible is to not run anything else at the same time.
You complain that it is checking for emails yet it appears you still want to run an email client, which is obviously going to check for emails. It isn't a problem of multitasking operating systems, it is a problem of attempting to over utilize the available system resources. When you're engrossed in a game you're unlikely to be multitasking, if you are doing such a thing then you need to ensure you have a system capable of it, which is not an exceptional system by any means.
That would be a real pain for anyone who also uses their PC for other things (that require services etc that run in the background).
Services that run in the background like what? How is this any different from the multi-tasking operating systems in today's modern gaming consoles that run many background services?
You mention the virus scanner - which is interesting because obviously you dont play online games, or even network games for that matter.
How is usage of a virus scanner related in any way to the ability to run network or online games? I've never had a virus from simply playing an online or networked game and I've never heard of such a thing happening.
I'd like to believe you that your system is perfect, but I suspect the truth is that you're a lot less fussy than me.
I know how to set up my system, I also know the capabilities of my system and that trying to run more than my system is capable of is stupid because it doesn't take a genius to realise it would result in the behavior you describe. Therefore if you are experiencing choppiness then you are doing something wrong.
A consortium including both Apple and Microsoft bid against Google for patents from Nortel and Novell, I believe this is what he is referring to, it was very highly publicized.
The point I was trying to make is that a conceptual difference exists between the amalgamation of a curated selection of technologies in the creation of something that gives new meaning to those individual technologies and is greater than the sum of its parts and blatantly just copying without any new contribution or inspiration.
But the other companies aren't just blatantly copying, that's the point, they are taking what Apple came up with and innovating on top of that, just as Apple did with devices that preceded it like the blackberry. The iphone is just one of the important stages of communication technologies, yes it was a game-changing stage but one that copied the products and ideas that came before it (the pinnacle of which was probably the blackberry) and that is now copying those that have succeeded it (see iOS5). You can't expect to be able to take ideas from others but not allow others to take ideas from you, all companies do it, including Apple. They've even done one of the most blatant copies of a design I've seen (AppleTV), yet they then sue Samsung for copying their design elements.
Here on Slashdot, everyone sees the trees and misses the forest.
No, a vocal minority sees the lawsuits and the anti-competitive behavior and the impact this has on the market, just as they do with Microsoft. Changing the market is great, but not if you're going to then go out and sue all of your competitors.
Was not aware that the LG Prada supported multi-touch gestures, inertial scrolling, visual voicemail, and an intuitive touch UI.
It didn't, but obviously he was refuting your idea that nothing looked like the iphone before but everything looks like the iphone now, which as you can see is completely false.
Why can't we give credit to a company that really does reimagine products?
Most people do, they just also acknowledge that it's ok for companies to copy Apple in the same way the Apple copies other companies and accept that statements like This is not innovation, this is duplication. is just rubbish. No-one is going to say Apple doesn't innovate, but to suggest that they are the only ones innovating and that everyone else is just copying them is either ignorant or just plain obtuse. Look at how many features of iOS5 are just copies of features in other phones and look at how the design of the Apple TV is a blatant copy of existing devices. On the other hand look at how good their unibody notebooks are and how they are integrating multi-touch with their desktop OS offerings.
Apple, like all the big tech companies, takes good ideas from others as well as innovating themselves, Steve Jobs has some famous quotes about stealing of good ideas.
For example, it would be perfectly legal for me to inform your wife about the affair you're having with your secretary. It wouldn't be legal for me to demand payment to keep quiet about it.
Except in this case it's perfectly legal for them to sue over patent infringement and it is also perfectly legal to demand licensing fees rather than suing.
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The problem with Windows for gaming is that it is also checking your email
No, Windows is never checking your email, if you have an email client running then that is what is checking your email and that is absolutely no different on any other PC platform.
checking for windows/office updates
OSX also does this, as do most linux distros, but it's just pinging the update server and it's certainly not doing it at narrow intervals so it most definitely shouldn't affect you. However if it somehow is affecting you then turn automatic updates off.
and indexing your hard drive to make your files and emails searchable
Again, OSX does this too, it's not a Windows thing and on both OSes it can be turned off if necessary.
I turn indexing and superfetch off - and I've never noticed any slowdown.
Well there you go, but even with indexing left on i haven't noticed any issues in Windows 7 or with the Spotlight indexing in OSX.
Most of the time its faster because the hard drive isn't as busy, and its cache isn't full of crap.
What cache? Do you mean RAM? The only Windows cache i can really think of is superfetch, but that caches application data in unused RAM, as soon as that memory is needed it is overwritten but not persisted to disk so there is no performance penalty.
One minute you're blazing along in some car game, and the next its going all choppy because Windows has decided to thrash your hard disk a bit.
I don't think this is a Windows issue, I've never seen such an issue before unless I've been running a crapload of programs simultaneously and run out of ram so it decides to swap to disk, but obviously not a thing you generally would consider doing while gaming. This sort of unspecified issue is likely related to some other software.
I have a quad-core system with a fairly fast graphics card, but still gameplay is nowhere near as smooth as a console.
Really? My gaming PC is a pretty old dual core w/ 4GB RAM and an SLi setup and to this day gameplay on it is just as smooth, if not more so than my xbox or playstation.
I'm not normally a fan of consoles for gaming - but if Windows wants to be great for games, it needs a special "game mode" you can boot into that doesn't do anything but games.
You don't need a special game mode, if there are any services causing you grief with performance then turn them off. Start->Run->services.msc, but you really shouldn't need to do that, most are background services anyway.
A multi-tasking general purpose OS is really not good for gaming.
Of course a purpose-built machine is likely to be better than a general purpose one, but that hardly means a general purpose one 'sucks'. The simple answer is just don't multitask, if you want a dedicated gaming experience on your PC then don't have your email client running, or your virus scanner, or other applications, etc... Personally i leave my email client open and often WMP playing to my stereo over the network as these don't appear to have any detrimental effect.
And that would extinguish HTML5 how? EEE arose from the situation with Java where the standard was not implemented to spec, not a case of non-standard extensions. So MS Java was different to standard Java, in this case HTML5 is the same, MS is just adding extensions, like many other groups are doing, like WebGL.
How do you think they are going to extinguish HTML5? They are just providing providing extensions to the standard for use in Windows.
They then use this to get people to write apps which need to combine web technology with something else. Eventually some of those apps start to only work when the add on features are present and we have a new generation of lock in.
It's used to write windows-specific apps, it isn't intended for running cross-platform.
what would you do instead? Try come up with a competing incompatible technology? Why would you not use an existing one?
Yes; you would; either put your add ons inside the HTML standard or put them as a completely new format.
That's moronic, for example WebGL isn't in the HTML5 standard and nor should it, it's an extension and it would be stupid to re-write HTML5 just for WebGL, the logical thing is to have an extension for an existing standard. Boost isn't in the c++ standard but you don't write a whole new language just to add those features, you extend the existing standard language.
"The previous demonstrations were always technology demonstrations of the underlying architecture," he said. "All of the apps for ARM are going to come through the store which means they're all going to be Metro style." Answering another question on whether Windows 8 on ARM will only run Metro style applications, Sinofsky insisted "That is definitely the message to ISVs."
You're still wrong.
Then explain why the ARM version has a desktop mode. I don't know where your quote is from but it is not consistent with what has been shown at BUILD. Also this.
Until the APIs the traditional desktop are no longer available
That seems unlikely since most content creation software is far more suited to Desktop than Metro. Not saying you're wrong, just that it doesn't seem logical.
or they use ARM where you can't distribute software via any other means.
Sure you can, the ARM version of Win8 isn't limited to Metro.
Damn new kids with their 7 digit ids. The old joke you missed is Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Woosh on you kiddo. Now, get off my lawn.
I'm well aware of it, ever since MS announced adoption of HTML5 people have been throwing out the old adage of EEE without any understanding of why it doesn't even make sense in this situation. Nice try with your grandpa status though.
The Metro interface (as well as the WinRT APIs) are covered by this policy going forward. So this means that ARM devices from MS will be locked down, as well as the Metro half of any desktop/x86 platform.
No, that is not true, ARM will still have the Desktop application and will still be able to run desktop.Net applications, not just Metro ones.
Big developers like Adobe and Autodesk do get a bit screwed, but I won't be losing any sleep over that.
That's if they even do Metro apps, but given their primary market I doubt they would, they'll continue producing Desktop apps because that's the best way to interact with those kinds of content creation applications.
So you mean they have Embraced HTML5 then Extended it?
I wonder what step would come next.
The obviously logical thing to do is to extend an existing technology, what would you do instead? Try come up with a competing incompatible technology? Why would you not use an existing one?
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Interestingly there was a push back in 2006 by Intel to standardize the Laptop industry by making standards for cases, mobos, etc. so that they could be built by people.
If it is the case where laptops will overcome PCs, it may still happen.
I doubt it, it means the average laptop would have a huge amount of wasted space to accommodate the hardcore gamer who wants to put in a mobile SLi/Crossfire setup and cooling for a 6-core CPU.
Because microsoft's product 'Windows' isn't a 'windows', you wouldn't be violating their trademark to market your product as having GUI elements called 'windows' because that's not what microsoft's product is. In the case of apple you wouldn't be able to use multitouch to describe the invention multitouch on your product, which is why that trademark gets rejected.
you don't know what you're talking about http://www.silicon.com/technology/software/2004/02/11/lindows-wins-in-us-court-microsoft-ruling-39118328/
Actually it appears you don't know what you're talking about, that article in no way whatsoever refutes my comment, i'm guessing you didn't even read it.
Except that Windows was a windowing system in its original incarnation, leaving us with another descriptive trademark.
A windowing system, not a 'windows' and there is a GUI element called a 'window' and you can have multiple 'windows' and you can most certainly use that term without violating the trademark because the trademark isn't for a product describing the GUI element.
If you are really serious about reform, and you applaud USPTO's rejection of this term, you must also support revoking the Microsoft trademark on "Windows".
Is it really still not obvious to some people why Windows is a valid trademark? Same as Apple? Yes they are generic words but they aren't generic words describing the entity/product. Windows (the Microsoft trademarked name) is not a windows, it is an Operating System. Apple (the Apple Inc. trademarked name) is not an apple, it is a Company. MultiTouch would be just describing the invention multitouch, just as App Store is just describing an application (or commonly termed 'app') store.
Considering a near three-decade long history of Multi touch RnD (starting with University of Toronto, followed by Bell Labs and Xerox, et al...) a patent awarded to apple would be quite a spit in the face of everyone who made the technology possible in the first place.
Not only is TFA (and even TFS) clearly about trademarks and not patents but Apple do have a patent on multitouch.
Wrong.
VLC is GPL3.
It's useful to actually know what you're talking about before calling someone out like that. I'm not sure what you're basing this post on because VLC is quite clearly GPLv2 and *not* v3 as you can see here:
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Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
You can also have a look in the COPYING file in the source code and you will find:
GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
Version 2, June 1991
Yes it can run games, and most of the time acceptably, but its a compromise.
It's only a compromise if you want it to be a compromise, you don't have to multitask while playing a game.
However, the choppiness during game-play still persists. I'm surprised that you dont experience it - it seems the only way that would be possible is to not run anything else at the same time.
You complain that it is checking for emails yet it appears you still want to run an email client, which is obviously going to check for emails. It isn't a problem of multitasking operating systems, it is a problem of attempting to over utilize the available system resources. When you're engrossed in a game you're unlikely to be multitasking, if you are doing such a thing then you need to ensure you have a system capable of it, which is not an exceptional system by any means.
That would be a real pain for anyone who also uses their PC for other things (that require services etc that run in the background).
Services that run in the background like what? How is this any different from the multi-tasking operating systems in today's modern gaming consoles that run many background services?
You mention the virus scanner - which is interesting because obviously you dont play online games, or even network games for that matter.
How is usage of a virus scanner related in any way to the ability to run network or online games? I've never had a virus from simply playing an online or networked game and I've never heard of such a thing happening.
I'd like to believe you that your system is perfect, but I suspect the truth is that you're a lot less fussy than me.
I know how to set up my system, I also know the capabilities of my system and that trying to run more than my system is capable of is stupid because it doesn't take a genius to realise it would result in the behavior you describe. Therefore if you are experiencing choppiness then you are doing something wrong.
Yes that's correct.
When did Apple partner with Microsoft? What did I miss?
Here is the Web of Mobile Patent Lawsuits. How on earth is Microsoft and Apple partners?
A consortium including both Apple and Microsoft bid against Google for patents from Nortel and Novell, I believe this is what he is referring to, it was very highly publicized.
The point I was trying to make is that a conceptual difference exists between the amalgamation of a curated selection of technologies in the creation of something that gives new meaning to those individual technologies and is greater than the sum of its parts and blatantly just copying without any new contribution or inspiration.
But the other companies aren't just blatantly copying, that's the point, they are taking what Apple came up with and innovating on top of that, just as Apple did with devices that preceded it like the blackberry. The iphone is just one of the important stages of communication technologies, yes it was a game-changing stage but one that copied the products and ideas that came before it (the pinnacle of which was probably the blackberry) and that is now copying those that have succeeded it (see iOS5). You can't expect to be able to take ideas from others but not allow others to take ideas from you, all companies do it, including Apple. They've even done one of the most blatant copies of a design I've seen (AppleTV), yet they then sue Samsung for copying their design elements.
Here on Slashdot, everyone sees the trees and misses the forest.
No, a vocal minority sees the lawsuits and the anti-competitive behavior and the impact this has on the market, just as they do with Microsoft. Changing the market is great, but not if you're going to then go out and sue all of your competitors.
Was not aware that the LG Prada supported multi-touch gestures, inertial scrolling, visual voicemail, and an intuitive touch UI.
It didn't, but obviously he was refuting your idea that nothing looked like the iphone before but everything looks like the iphone now, which as you can see is completely false.
Why can't we give credit to a company that really does reimagine products?
Most people do, they just also acknowledge that it's ok for companies to copy Apple in the same way the Apple copies other companies and accept that statements like This is not innovation, this is duplication. is just rubbish. No-one is going to say Apple doesn't innovate, but to suggest that they are the only ones innovating and that everyone else is just copying them is either ignorant or just plain obtuse. Look at how many features of iOS5 are just copies of features in other phones and look at how the design of the Apple TV is a blatant copy of existing devices.
On the other hand look at how good their unibody notebooks are and how they are integrating multi-touch with their desktop OS offerings.
Apple, like all the big tech companies, takes good ideas from others as well as innovating themselves, Steve Jobs has some famous quotes about stealing of good ideas.
For example, it would be perfectly legal for me to inform your wife about the affair you're having with your secretary. It wouldn't be legal for me to demand payment to keep quiet about it.
Except in this case it's perfectly legal for them to sue over patent infringement and it is also perfectly legal to demand licensing fees rather than suing.
The problem with Windows for gaming is that it is also checking your email
No, Windows is never checking your email, if you have an email client running then that is what is checking your email and that is absolutely no different on any other PC platform.
checking for windows/office updates
OSX also does this, as do most linux distros, but it's just pinging the update server and it's certainly not doing it at narrow intervals so it most definitely shouldn't affect you. However if it somehow is affecting you then turn automatic updates off.
and indexing your hard drive to make your files and emails searchable
Again, OSX does this too, it's not a Windows thing and on both OSes it can be turned off if necessary.
I turn indexing and superfetch off - and I've never noticed any slowdown.
Well there you go, but even with indexing left on i haven't noticed any issues in Windows 7 or with the Spotlight indexing in OSX.
Most of the time its faster because the hard drive isn't as busy, and its cache isn't full of crap.
What cache? Do you mean RAM? The only Windows cache i can really think of is superfetch, but that caches application data in unused RAM, as soon as that memory is needed it is overwritten but not persisted to disk so there is no performance penalty.
One minute you're blazing along in some car game, and the next its going all choppy because Windows has decided to thrash your hard disk a bit.
I don't think this is a Windows issue, I've never seen such an issue before unless I've been running a crapload of programs simultaneously and run out of ram so it decides to swap to disk, but obviously not a thing you generally would consider doing while gaming. This sort of unspecified issue is likely related to some other software.
I have a quad-core system with a fairly fast graphics card, but still gameplay is nowhere near as smooth as a console.
Really? My gaming PC is a pretty old dual core w/ 4GB RAM and an SLi setup and to this day gameplay on it is just as smooth, if not more so than my xbox or playstation.
I'm not normally a fan of consoles for gaming - but if Windows wants to be great for games, it needs a special "game mode" you can boot into that doesn't do anything but games.
You don't need a special game mode, if there are any services causing you grief with performance then turn them off. Start->Run->services.msc, but you really shouldn't need to do that, most are background services anyway.
A multi-tasking general purpose OS is really not good for gaming.
Of course a purpose-built machine is likely to be better than a general purpose one, but that hardly means a general purpose one 'sucks'. The simple answer is just don't multitask, if you want a dedicated gaming experience on your PC then don't have your email client running, or your virus scanner, or other applications, etc...
Personally i leave my email client open and often WMP playing to my stereo over the network as these don't appear to have any detrimental effect.
And that would extinguish HTML5 how? EEE arose from the situation with Java where the standard was not implemented to spec, not a case of non-standard extensions. So MS Java was different to standard Java, in this case HTML5 is the same, MS is just adding extensions, like many other groups are doing, like WebGL.
These are different types of extensions:
Boost works on all C++ standard compliant compilers. WebGL doesn't work on all HTML5 standard compliant browsers.
And neither is going to extinguish the standard they are extending.
Please explain why EEE doesn't apply?
How do you think they are going to extinguish HTML5? They are just providing providing extensions to the standard for use in Windows.
They then use this to get people to write apps which need to combine web technology with something else. Eventually some of those apps start to only work when the add on features are present and we have a new generation of lock in.
It's used to write windows-specific apps, it isn't intended for running cross-platform.
what would you do instead? Try come up with a competing incompatible technology? Why would you not use an existing one?
Yes; you would; either put your add ons inside the HTML standard or put them as a completely new format.
That's moronic, for example WebGL isn't in the HTML5 standard and nor should it, it's an extension and it would be stupid to re-write HTML5 just for WebGL, the logical thing is to have an extension for an existing standard. Boost isn't in the c++ standard but you don't write a whole new language just to add those features, you extend the existing standard language.
Stupid Slashcode. Fixed.
"The previous demonstrations were always technology demonstrations of the underlying architecture," he said. "All of the apps for ARM are going to come through the store which means they're all going to be Metro style." Answering another question on whether Windows 8 on ARM will only run Metro style applications, Sinofsky insisted "That is definitely the message to ISVs."
You're still wrong.
Then explain why the ARM version has a desktop mode. I don't know where your quote is from but it is not consistent with what has been shown at BUILD. Also this.
Oh come on. Microsoft has ALWAYS charged for developers -- annually. It's called an "MSDN Subscription".
Since when did you have to have an MSDN subscription to develop for Microsoft platforms?
Apple would also need to be a monopoly.
Since when does anti-competition law only apply to monopolies?
Until the APIs the traditional desktop are no longer available
That seems unlikely since most content creation software is far more suited to Desktop than Metro. Not saying you're wrong, just that it doesn't seem logical.
or they use ARM where you can't distribute software via any other means.
Sure you can, the ARM version of Win8 isn't limited to Metro.
Damn new kids with their 7 digit ids. The old joke you missed is Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Woosh on you kiddo. Now, get off my lawn.
I'm well aware of it, ever since MS announced adoption of HTML5 people have been throwing out the old adage of EEE without any understanding of why it doesn't even make sense in this situation. Nice try with your grandpa status though.
The Metro interface (as well as the WinRT APIs) are covered by this policy going forward. So this means that ARM devices from MS will be locked down, as well as the Metro half of any desktop/x86 platform.
No, that is not true, ARM will still have the Desktop application and will still be able to run desktop .Net applications, not just Metro ones.
Big developers like Adobe and Autodesk do get a bit screwed, but I won't be losing any sleep over that.
That's if they even do Metro apps, but given their primary market I doubt they would, they'll continue producing Desktop apps because that's the best way to interact with those kinds of content creation applications.
So you mean they have Embraced HTML5 then Extended it? I wonder what step would come next.
The obviously logical thing to do is to extend an existing technology, what would you do instead? Try come up with a competing incompatible technology? Why would you not use an existing one?