It's already over a month into US Summer and I haven't seen it in stores or on bestbuy.com.
Im hoping to see them released soon, i don't particularly want Android as my smartphone OS but i do like it and would like to have an android device (maybe get a tablet when it comes time to replace my ipad) so if they have Galaxy S2 hardware in a PMP that would be pretty awesome.
About average if you prefer, perhaps i should have written that instead.
If you read anything above (which I suspect you didn't), the concern is that MS isn't making money in anything other than Office and OS.
Just because a product isn't mentioned in an earnings report doesn't mean that it didn't make any money, which is exactly what you're assuming.
Where in the entire quarterly earnings does MS mention how much money they are making in these products? MS never mentions those profits at all in the entire press release.
It doesn't, which is exactly the point, it doesn't say the contrary either, but you're assuming that. You're the one saying they aren't making much of a profit, but of course you don't know that at all because you have absolutely no idea whatsoever how much they make.
They could be not profitable or insanely profitable.
So now anything not mentioned in the earnings report could not be profitable, that's just plain false.
If they were insanely profitable, you'd think MS would have mentioned it instead of one line mentioning revenue growth for the entire division.
So now you're fixated only on things that are 'insanely profitable'? You've gone from not making a lot of money to isn't making any money to now only what is 'insanely profitable'. You can't even keep the yardstick in one place!
Again read above. Besides OS, Office, and Xbox MS doesn't make a whole lot of money on anything else especially anything that launched under Ballmer.
Your only evidence of that is a lack of mention in the earnings report, you don't actually know that at all.
Of course I could be wrong about that seeing how MS is so proud of their profits on their other products, they never mention them.
Yeah because every company gives details about every product that made them a decent profit, are we to assume the products apple didn't mention in their earnings report didn't really make any money?
And where were you on this one?
You do understand how the E&D division had revenue of $1.485B yet only made $32M. That's 2% profit. By any measure that's pathetic. You keep trying to spin what is clearly bad news into good news.
Since when is a profit bad news? And why do you keep trying to spin it as though only a handful of their products made a profit when the truth is actually it's the opposite? Every division except the Online Services made a profit.
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This is what happens when you jump the gun and develop without a fucking standard. I think this is going to be even worse than the early internet days of IE.
I'm still trying to figure out how anyone can stop a person from exercising their Freedom of Speech Rights?
Because he agreed not to discuss the issues most likely in return for some financial benefit, FTFA: On Wednesday, however, Barr received a legal written notice of intent to file an injunction to prevent him from appearing at DEFCON, citing his separation agreement with his former employer.
I said MS is giving such small dividends that it doesn't make up for the lack of price stagnation. Investors want big dividends.
MS's dividends are industry standard anyway.
it's been a poor value stock.
I'm not saying it hasn't, but a stellar earnings report isn't bad news and MS can't exactly set their own stock price, what would you have them do?
It's bad news that (1) Kinect sold a lot of units but didn't make a lot of money, (2) the division is in the hole to the tune of billions since the Xbox and it is uncertain if it will break even ever
Rubbish, no-one is going to suggest that a company that posts an earnings report showing record profits and 4/5 profitable divisions is bad news. If you think that's bad news then what would you suggest would be good news at an earnings report?
(3) it reiterates the simple fact that MS doesn't make money on anything other than OS and Office. Look at the contents of each division.
It's not a fact, what about Commerce, Dynamics, SQL, Exchange, MSDN (VS, etc...), etc, etc...?
Your original point was just that the only products that make MS money are XBox, Windows and Office, that is false. MS has many many products that all contribute to their respective divisions.
Over the course of 10 years, that less than 2% is barely worth investors caring when the price of stock hasn't moved.
So you're trying to tell me that investors don't care about dividends then? Anyway the point is that investors aren't going to be disappointed when a company posts a record profit when the country is in such dire financial times.
You do understand how the E&D division had revenue of $1.485B yet only made $32M. That's 2% profit. By any measure that's pathetic. You keep trying to spin what is clearly bad news into good news.
Since when is a profit bad news? And why do you keep trying to spin it as though only a handful of their products made a profit when the truth is actually it's the opposite? Every division except the Online Services made a profit.
And yet in 10 years under Ballmer the stock price which investors care about has barely moved.
Actually i think you'll find investors care a hell of a lot about dividends.
Also if you actually read the quarterly reports, it reiterated what I said in the next line, only Office, Windows, and Xbox makes profit. No other product divisions make money.
The only division that made a loss is the Online Services division. Every other division, Server & Tools, Business, Windows & Windows Live and Entertainment Devices divisions made a profit.
Kinect has sold a lot of units however MS only made $32M in profit last quarter in the XBox division so selling a lot of Kinect units hasn't translated into a lot of profits.
A $32M profit contribution to that Entertainment and devices division (there is no XBox division) is quite good.
That combined with almost many of the products that MS has launched in the last decade under Ballmer haven't been very profitable makes investors unhappy.
I don't think investors are going to be unhappy with MS given they have just release record-breaking financial numbers even with the current economic crisis.
With the exception of Office and OS, they haven't made a lot of money elsewhere.
Seems like you misunderstand what a status symbol is. At $200 starting with 2-year plan, an iphone is still well outside the price range of a large portion of the population.
What country are you in? You can get an iphone4 in australia for $0 on standard 2-year contract.
You would in no way expect the workers at your local McDonalds to be sporting iphones.
I don't really see a compelling reason to upgrade to the 5
Of course you don't, because you don't know what the iPhone5 is yet so you don't know if it will provide you a compelling reason to upgrade. The main thing would be a larger screen, the iphone4 isn't much smaller than many other phones that have 4" displays yet only has a 3.5" display. Going to a 4 or 4.3" screen would be ideal as it adds a lot to the user experience but isn't going to affect it's portability.
FOSS is a great initiative and one of the best things is that proprietary software doesn't have to die for FOSS to succeed, it can all come down to who has the better product but to have the better product you need more than just great engineers, you need great designers and marketers, you also need to avoid this FOSS stereotype.
If that's inaccurate start by correcting the person I responded to, not me.
That is accurate though because if you haven't rooted the phone you cannot run an app with elevated privileges and just because you've rooted the phone doesn't mean everything runs with elevated privileges, it just gives you the ability to do that.
Oh, sorry, I thought your post actually had a point. Go back to posting pointless blather.
I'm sorry you had such difficulty and ultimately failed to comprehend it, the point is pretty damned obvious but I'll try and dumb it down some more for you next time.
Are you telling us that computers made by Apple can't run Windows or Linux?
No, i'm quite obviously telling you that non-Apple computers can't (legitimately) run Apple's OS.
And since when do Windows and Linux get counted as one OS anyway?
They don't, if you bothered to read what was written you would know they were counted as 'other computers'.
Are you that desperate to show that Apple isn't successful at selling computers?
Why would i try and do that? That is patently false, only an idiot would try to do that because it obviously isn't the case at all, the fact that you even posted that question means you didn't read (or were incapable of comprehending) what was written. What i'm saying is the OP was comparing 'types' of computers (Apple computers with BT4) as opposed to 'brands' of computers.
Does that challenge your masculinity or something?
I don't correlate the success of a company selling computers to my masculinity but that fact that you wrote that certainly says something about how you view yourself.
My pc is about 2 years old and is in the HP line of 'dev' machines, it has 10 usb 2 ports at the back with another 4 usb 1 ports at the front and 0 firewire.
When i said it failed in the consumer space i didn't mean it succeeded in every other market.
Actually, they're the third biggest computer manufacturer in terms of shipments (behind Dell and HP) and the biggest in terms of revenue and profits.
Of course Apple are the biggest manufacturer of Apple computers, but the 'other desktop computers' means Windows and Linux computers, not a specific brand so it's Dell, HP, etc... combined.
Firewire was a huge success (and still is), just not in the consumer space.
I think that's the point he's trying to make, Firewire eventually failed in the consumer market because there was a widely adopted alternative (technologically not as good, but we've seen that countless times before) and they are trying to do the same thing again with BT4 vs NFC.
That's what i thought, he's done the opposite of jumping to any conclusions or assuming the worst, by instead posing a bunch of questions:
Why does the app approval take so long?
Did Google fail to comply with the requirements?
Did Apple think it might contain malware or something?
What is the problem here?
Actually they are all from this article (just read below)
Hence 'comment thread'. But if you want to make a point about people assuming the worst then the obvious thing to do is to reply to those people rather than the people doing exactly the opposite.
None of that is even in this comment thread so isn't relevant, you've just gone and taken a bunch of irrational replies from other places (that likely also contained perfectly rational rebuttals, hence the reason for a comment thread).
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A new one is supposed to be coming in US Spring.
It's already over a month into US Summer and I haven't seen it in stores or on bestbuy.com.
Im hoping to see them released soon, i don't particularly want Android as my smartphone OS but i do like it and would like to have an android device (maybe get a tablet when it comes time to replace my ipad) so if they have Galaxy S2 hardware in a PMP that would be pretty awesome.
What is "industry standard" mean?
About average if you prefer, perhaps i should have written that instead.
If you read anything above (which I suspect you didn't), the concern is that MS isn't making money in anything other than Office and OS.
Just because a product isn't mentioned in an earnings report doesn't mean that it didn't make any money, which is exactly what you're assuming.
Where in the entire quarterly earnings does MS mention how much money they are making in these products? MS never mentions those profits at all in the entire press release.
It doesn't, which is exactly the point, it doesn't say the contrary either, but you're assuming that. You're the one saying they aren't making much of a profit, but of course you don't know that at all because you have absolutely no idea whatsoever how much they make.
They could be not profitable or insanely profitable.
So now anything not mentioned in the earnings report could not be profitable, that's just plain false.
If they were insanely profitable, you'd think MS would have mentioned it instead of one line mentioning revenue growth for the entire division.
So now you're fixated only on things that are 'insanely profitable'? You've gone from not making a lot of money to isn't making any money to now only what is 'insanely profitable'. You can't even keep the yardstick in one place!
Again read above. Besides OS, Office, and Xbox MS doesn't make a whole lot of money on anything else especially anything that launched under Ballmer.
Your only evidence of that is a lack of mention in the earnings report, you don't actually know that at all.
Of course I could be wrong about that seeing how MS is so proud of their profits on their other products, they never mention them.
Yeah because every company gives details about every product that made them a decent profit, are we to assume the products apple didn't mention in their earnings report didn't really make any money?
And where were you on this one?
You do understand how the E&D division had revenue of $1.485B yet only made $32M. That's 2% profit. By any measure that's pathetic. You keep trying to spin what is clearly bad news into good news.
Since when is a profit bad news? And why do you keep trying to spin it as though only a handful of their products made a profit when the truth is actually it's the opposite? Every division except the Online Services made a profit.
Maybe they aren't a monopoly but they certainly are leveraging their Android users into movie-renters, etc.
Do you have to rent movies? Even if you want to do you have to rent them from Google's service?
Pretty sure the answer to both of those is 'no'.
Is there an Android-powered counterpart to iPod touch for sale here?
What about the galaxy player? A new one is supposed to be coming in US Spring.
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This is what happens when you jump the gun and develop without a fucking standard. I think this is going to be even worse than the early internet days of IE.
I'm still trying to figure out how anyone can stop a person from exercising their Freedom of Speech Rights?
Because he agreed not to discuss the issues most likely in return for some financial benefit, FTFA:
On Wednesday, however, Barr received a legal written notice of intent to file an injunction to prevent him from appearing at DEFCON, citing his separation agreement with his former employer.
I said MS is giving such small dividends that it doesn't make up for the lack of price stagnation. Investors want big dividends.
MS's dividends are industry standard anyway.
it's been a poor value stock.
I'm not saying it hasn't, but a stellar earnings report isn't bad news and MS can't exactly set their own stock price, what would you have them do?
It's bad news that (1) Kinect sold a lot of units but didn't make a lot of money, (2) the division is in the hole to the tune of billions since the Xbox and it is uncertain if it will break even ever
Rubbish, no-one is going to suggest that a company that posts an earnings report showing record profits and 4/5 profitable divisions is bad news. If you think that's bad news then what would you suggest would be good news at an earnings report?
(3) it reiterates the simple fact that MS doesn't make money on anything other than OS and Office. Look at the contents of each division.
It's not a fact, what about Commerce, Dynamics, SQL, Exchange, MSDN (VS, etc...), etc, etc...?
Your original point was just that the only products that make MS money are XBox, Windows and Office, that is false. MS has many many products that all contribute to their respective divisions.
Over the course of 10 years, that less than 2% is barely worth investors caring when the price of stock hasn't moved.
So you're trying to tell me that investors don't care about dividends then? Anyway the point is that investors aren't going to be disappointed when a company posts a record profit when the country is in such dire financial times.
You do understand how the E&D division had revenue of $1.485B yet only made $32M. That's 2% profit. By any measure that's pathetic. You keep trying to spin what is clearly bad news into good news.
Since when is a profit bad news? And why do you keep trying to spin it as though only a handful of their products made a profit when the truth is actually it's the opposite? Every division except the Online Services made a profit.
And yet in 10 years under Ballmer the stock price which investors care about has barely moved.
Actually i think you'll find investors care a hell of a lot about dividends.
Also if you actually read the quarterly reports, it reiterated what I said in the next line, only Office, Windows, and Xbox makes profit. No other product divisions make money.
The only division that made a loss is the Online Services division. Every other division, Server & Tools, Business, Windows & Windows Live and Entertainment Devices divisions made a profit.
Kinect has sold a lot of units however MS only made $32M in profit last quarter in the XBox division so selling a lot of Kinect units hasn't translated into a lot of profits.
A $32M profit contribution to that Entertainment and devices division (there is no XBox division) is quite good.
That combined with almost many of the products that MS has launched in the last decade under Ballmer haven't been very profitable makes investors unhappy.
I don't think investors are going to be unhappy with MS given they have just release record-breaking financial numbers even with the current economic crisis.
With the exception of Office and OS, they haven't made a lot of money elsewhere.
Kinect has done very well.
Really? Here in the U.S. It's 200 with the contract, something like 400-600 without.
I suppose that explains why they aren't the predominant choice of your local mcdonalds workers ;)
Seems like you misunderstand what a status symbol is. At $200 starting with 2-year plan, an iphone is still well outside the price range of a large portion of the population.
What country are you in? You can get an iphone4 in australia for $0 on standard 2-year contract.
You would in no way expect the workers at your local McDonalds to be sporting iphones.
Maybe not where you live but i certainly do.
I don't really see a compelling reason to upgrade to the 5
Of course you don't, because you don't know what the iPhone5 is yet so you don't know if it will provide you a compelling reason to upgrade. The main thing would be a larger screen, the iphone4 isn't much smaller than many other phones that have 4" displays yet only has a 3.5" display. Going to a 4 or 4.3" screen would be ideal as it adds a lot to the user experience but isn't going to affect it's portability.
FOSS is a great initiative and one of the best things is that proprietary software doesn't have to die for FOSS to succeed, it can all come down to who has the better product but to have the better product you need more than just great engineers, you need great designers and marketers, you also need to avoid this FOSS stereotype.
and processes are blocked from reading files outside of their sandbox.
which is the case here, applications cannot access that password db.
If that's inaccurate start by correcting the person I responded to, not me.
That is accurate though because if you haven't rooted the phone you cannot run an app with elevated privileges and just because you've rooted the phone doesn't mean everything runs with elevated privileges, it just gives you the ability to do that.
Ohh, I got it alright
Obviously not.
you have penis envy.
No i'm a dude, not a girl.
Oh, sorry, I thought your post actually had a point. Go back to posting pointless blather.
I'm sorry you had such difficulty and ultimately failed to comprehend it, the point is pretty damned obvious but I'll try and dumb it down some more for you next time.
Are you telling us that computers made by Apple can't run Windows or Linux?
No, i'm quite obviously telling you that non-Apple computers can't (legitimately) run Apple's OS.
And since when do Windows and Linux get counted as one OS anyway?
They don't, if you bothered to read what was written you would know they were counted as 'other computers'.
Are you that desperate to show that Apple isn't successful at selling computers?
Why would i try and do that? That is patently false, only an idiot would try to do that because it obviously isn't the case at all, the fact that you even posted that question means you didn't read (or were incapable of comprehending) what was written. What i'm saying is the OP was comparing 'types' of computers (Apple computers with BT4) as opposed to 'brands' of computers.
Does that challenge your masculinity or something?
I don't correlate the success of a company selling computers to my masculinity but that fact that you wrote that certainly says something about how you view yourself.
My pc is about 2 years old and is in the HP line of 'dev' machines, it has 10 usb 2 ports at the back with another 4 usb 1 ports at the front and 0 firewire.
When i said it failed in the consumer space i didn't mean it succeeded in every other market.
Actually, they're the third biggest computer manufacturer in terms of shipments (behind Dell and HP) and the biggest in terms of revenue and profits.
Of course Apple are the biggest manufacturer of Apple computers, but the 'other desktop computers' means Windows and Linux computers, not a specific brand so it's Dell, HP, etc... combined.
Firewire was a huge success (and still is), just not in the consumer space.
I think that's the point he's trying to make, Firewire eventually failed in the consumer market because there was a widely adopted alternative (technologically not as good, but we've seen that countless times before) and they are trying to do the same thing again with BT4 vs NFC.
Why does the app approval take so long?
Did Google fail to comply with the requirements?
Did Apple think it might contain malware or something?
What is the problem here?
See, no 'assuming the worst' at all.
Actually they are all from this article (just read below)
Hence 'comment thread'. But if you want to make a point about people assuming the worst then the obvious thing to do is to reply to those people rather than the people doing exactly the opposite.
Need I go on?
None of that is even in this comment thread so isn't relevant, you've just gone and taken a bunch of irrational replies from other places (that likely also contained perfectly rational rebuttals, hence the reason for a comment thread).