Of course no one considers the fact that they are backlogged with iOS5 apps. They immediately assume the worst.
I don't think anyone 'assumed the worst' at all so im not sure how you interpreted those posts to give you that impression, the 'worst' it got was someone asking why it took so long, not jumping to any conspiracy theory conclusions or anything like that. I'd say the upcoming iOS5 release probably is the reason for the delay, I wonder if other developers are experiencing longer-than-usual approval times (not suggesting any conspiracy, just wondering).
Anonymous is political. Read things written by Anonymous. Then read some political manifestos. They are idealists. They read like freedom fighters. You're kidding yourself if you just think they're angsty kids. Angsty kids with a point.
oh yes, 'for the lulz'...real political there, such freedom fighters and idealists.
Specifically, people walking into AT&T stores with stolen credit cards, use that name, get an iPhone and a 'contract', and walking out and resell it
What bunch of complete and utter morons enter into an ongoing contract with someone that just has a credit card and no identification to back it up?! Their stupidity isn't a reason to impose that restriction on customers.
.Net is inferior in the one aspect that matters, then, as total cross-platform compatibility is the raison d'être of Java.
Total cross-platform capability? You can only run Java where you've compiled it to native platform-specific code or where there is a platform-specific JVM, just the same as with.Net code.
news from inside Microsoft seems to indicate they are ditching.NET for html 5.
Where is this 'news from inside Microsoft'? Do you have any idea the vast amount of functionality that would be lost if you ditched.Net for HTML5? Ditching Silverlight for HTML5 seems logical but certainly not the whole of.Net.
Knowing Microsoft, however, and seeing their open attack on the security of WebGL, I expect them to port over their Silverlight Direct 3D code and use that instead of using WebGL because a browser without proprietary features would be very un-Microsofty.
I for one do see the danger in WebGL, i think it's a brilliant enabling technology (particularly friendly to me because i do most of my 3D coding in OpenGL) but that direct access from a webpage to the GPU (which is pretty much the most volatile piece of hardware in computers today) doesn't seem very safe, video drivers are unstable at the best of times.
Well why would i want to give Nokia or Lodsys or Amazon or numerous others money to get an iPhone? You see Apple - like everyone else - aren't the inventors of everything in the products they sell you and as a result some of the money you give them goes to the people who did invent those technologies.
You didn't pay to use the data on something other than the phone, you paid for unlimited data for use on your phone. It may be a retarded distinction, but thats what you paid for. You jailbroke it so you could steal something you did not pay for.
What a load of crap. You see other phones allow tethering, my sim card works in those phones and there is nothing (contractual or otherwise) to stop me using that sim card in those phones and tethering so i can use that net connection on my laptop. So i'm not sure where you get the basis for your assertions but they are complete bullshit.
Jesus rude fuck is rude... He was polite to you the whole time, you tried flame-bating him. Even when you agree with what he said you you flamed him at the end. What a jackass. I'm impressed the low ID kept his cool. Also that's iOS 4.3.3 with jailbreak mod that hides crap.
The guy who called the study 'bogus' and 'incorrect' without any facts while making numerous errors on his own part? That's about as much of a jackass as you can be. pfftt...and nice try, pretty obvious you're just posting as AC, lame.
The problem with his article is sensationalism. This isn't an issue that's unique to the Apple iPad or iPhone, this application (and the core derivative) would work on any smart phone/tablet device.
Of course, that's hardly sensationalist though, when the tablet market is vastly dominated by the iPad id say that's the logical choice for a demonstration.
And.... best of all it can be adapted to work on even physical keyboards.
Not if they aren't lit, which most aren't. Yet as you say this works on almost all tablet computers assuming you have the keyboard layout.
Instead of taking the iOS tangent, he should have stuck with the movie theory and actually showed how this is possible using a physical keyboard (differential lighting on keypress.. or a keyboard with backlight etc). IMO that would be more impressive.
So he shouldn't have done this because something different would have been more impressive...now you're just clutching at straws.
I'm just saying his initial assertion that password entry masking was safe on iOS is invalid.
But that is obviously flawed given that you don't know what version of iOS he is running and you yourself can't say what the behavior is in iOS5.
Can you show a screen of the iOS you run and password entry?
Huh? I already told you I don't run iOS 5, I run 4.3.3 and I see the same thing as you do. So since I don't run iOS 5 I don't know if his assertion regarding password entry masking is correct or not, and neither can you. He even clarified for situations where the masking is not in effect that his solution likely works over greater distances (though he didn't specify what distances).
Could you show me a screenshot of your iPad with iOS 5 and the same screen (and which beta?).
No, I don't run iOS5, i guess you could find plenty of videos and pictures if you google though.
Also It's already been claimed this is iOS 4.3.x above.
Yet the message center is only visible if you have messages, so that claim is baseless too.
No offense, but I did my best to show you how this looked on my screen, I liked the study and the little application they made, but the whole thing has holes in it as said above.
What are these 'holes' that you're suggesting it has? Lets assume for a minute that the letters do show up, what difference does that actually make? It's still clear your claims of these things being 'bogus' and 'incorrect' are baseless, im all for dissecting these kinds of studies but i would not start making claims unless i actually had some facts to back them up, that's just common sense.
No, obviously if i was i would be able to say what the version the ipad in the video was running wouldn't i.
Yes, I do like to pull an article apart to see the validity of the claims.
But your claims don't seem to actually be refuting the article because you don't have any facts. I personally wouldn't go calling something 'bogus' or their claims 'incorrect' unless my personal experience was actually replicating that of the article, and you certainly cannot say that yours is.
As far as I can see, this person's iPad is not behaving as mine does by default. I'm not sure if that's cause he has iOS5.0 as I do not use that.
Your experience is clearly an invalid basis for you to be calling it bogus then isn't it.
The letters that show up are huge, it's very very easy to read it off
At what distance?
But I wonder if he went this far on an assertion that was not completely true (ie. masked passwords cannot be read).
Or that much more likely he is using the new OS where they have added this fix to prevent people from reading the password directly and he is showing that it may not be enough.
Personally i think the study is far fetched anyway and could be mostly circumvented if they used the normal keyboard instead, or if you made sure to move around a little as you typed your password.
I'm not sure if the video is doctored or not or if it's iOS5, why would they do an experiment like this on a non-production OS?
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Probably because it's the new version of the OS and that even if they introduce this feature of masking the keys completely there is still a vulnerability. Anyway it seems you're just trying to pull this article apart with whatever you can, albiet with no actual facts. First it's the keyboard (incorrect), then the password showing up (which is likely in the next OS version) and also the fact that they state in the article that you can do this over long distances where obviously the spatial position of a blue keyboard flash can be calculated even when the key could not possibly be read.
No, that's not how it works. If you are observing the iPad, you can easily figure out what is typed by looking at the key that is being pressed, let me demonstrate (see the h). For some reason their iPad is not doing this:) Which is the case for the rest of their experiment.
And you are just running to the assumption that it is doctored video as opposed to say iOS5?
My problem with this video demonstration is that they didn't have to go that far, they just had to capture the password, but they assert it is already masked.
That's because it is already masked which is what he said, so of course the only way to capture it is to determine what keys were pressed. How else are you going to capture the password?
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Seriously? There's a a feature called "huddle".
I wonder if huddle.com are happy about that...
I doubt they have any say in it, huddle is just a word.
Of course no one considers the fact that they are backlogged with iOS5 apps. They immediately assume the worst.
I don't think anyone 'assumed the worst' at all so im not sure how you interpreted those posts to give you that impression, the 'worst' it got was someone asking why it took so long, not jumping to any conspiracy theory conclusions or anything like that. I'd say the upcoming iOS5 release probably is the reason for the delay, I wonder if other developers are experiencing longer-than-usual approval times (not suggesting any conspiracy, just wondering).
Anonymous is political. Read things written by Anonymous. Then read some political manifestos. They are idealists. They read like freedom fighters. You're kidding yourself if you just think they're angsty kids. Angsty kids with a point.
oh yes, 'for the lulz'...real political there, such freedom fighters and idealists.
Specifically, people walking into AT&T stores with stolen credit cards, use that name, get an iPhone and a 'contract', and walking out and resell it
What bunch of complete and utter morons enter into an ongoing contract with someone that just has a credit card and no identification to back it up?! Their stupidity isn't a reason to impose that restriction on customers.
.Net is inferior in the one aspect that matters, then, as total cross-platform compatibility is the raison d'être of Java.
Total cross-platform capability? You can only run Java where you've compiled it to native platform-specific code or where there is a platform-specific JVM, just the same as with .Net code.
news from inside Microsoft seems to indicate they are ditching .NET for html 5.
Where is this 'news from inside Microsoft'? Do you have any idea the vast amount of functionality that would be lost if you ditched .Net for HTML5? Ditching Silverlight for HTML5 seems logical but certainly not the whole of .Net.
Knowing Microsoft, however, and seeing their open attack on the security of WebGL, I expect them to port over their Silverlight Direct 3D code and use that instead of using WebGL because a browser without proprietary features would be very un-Microsofty.
I for one do see the danger in WebGL, i think it's a brilliant enabling technology (particularly friendly to me because i do most of my 3D coding in OpenGL) but that direct access from a webpage to the GPU (which is pretty much the most volatile piece of hardware in computers today) doesn't seem very safe, video drivers are unstable at the best of times.
Why would I want to give money to Microsoft to get an HTC Android phone?
Well why would i want to give Nokia or Lodsys or Amazon or numerous others money to get an iPhone? You see Apple - like everyone else - aren't the inventors of everything in the products they sell you and as a result some of the money you give them goes to the people who did invent those technologies.
You didn't pay to use the data on something other than the phone, you paid for unlimited data for use on your phone. It may be a retarded distinction, but thats what you paid for. You jailbroke it so you could steal something you did not pay for.
What a load of crap. You see other phones allow tethering, my sim card works in those phones and there is nothing (contractual or otherwise) to stop me using that sim card in those phones and tethering so i can use that net connection on my laptop. So i'm not sure where you get the basis for your assertions but they are complete bullshit.
These two clowns can't even come up with an original logo much less a messaging protocol. http://www.kootol.com/
Name one actual real reason to jail break.
FaceTime over 3G.
I am actually quite surprised that Apple has not tried to push patches to Linux for kernel GCD support yet.
Why? What is it you think is so great about GCD that you think makes it relevant to be in the kernel?
The MacOS kernel is not a BSD license, and has rather different policies.
http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/xnu/xnu-1456.1.26/APPLE_LICENSE
So no, it is not a BSD. Neither are other core components of the Apple's "Darwin" operating system.
We are talking about BSD the software, not BSD the license, so comparing the distribution license is completely irrelevant.
I think the word you're looking for is "steals", not "borrows".
Neither term is correct for this situation.
Jesus rude fuck is rude... He was polite to you the whole time, you tried flame-bating him. Even when you agree with what he said you you flamed him at the end. What a jackass. I'm impressed the low ID kept his cool. Also that's iOS 4.3.3 with jailbreak mod that hides crap.
The guy who called the study 'bogus' and 'incorrect' without any facts while making numerous errors on his own part? That's about as much of a jackass as you can be. pfftt...and nice try, pretty obvious you're just posting as AC, lame.
The problem with his article is sensationalism. This isn't an issue that's unique to the Apple iPad or iPhone, this application (and the core derivative) would work on any smart phone/tablet device.
Of course, that's hardly sensationalist though, when the tablet market is vastly dominated by the iPad id say that's the logical choice for a demonstration.
And.... best of all it can be adapted to work on even physical keyboards.
Not if they aren't lit, which most aren't. Yet as you say this works on almost all tablet computers assuming you have the keyboard layout.
Instead of taking the iOS tangent, he should have stuck with the movie theory and actually showed how this is possible using a physical keyboard (differential lighting on keypress .. or a keyboard with backlight etc). IMO that would be more impressive.
So he shouldn't have done this because something different would have been more impressive...now you're just clutching at straws.
I'm just saying his initial assertion that password entry masking was safe on iOS is invalid.
But that is obviously flawed given that you don't know what version of iOS he is running and you yourself can't say what the behavior is in iOS5.
Can you show a screen of the iOS you run and password entry?
Huh? I already told you I don't run iOS 5, I run 4.3.3 and I see the same thing as you do. So since I don't run iOS 5 I don't know if his assertion regarding password entry masking is correct or not, and neither can you. He even clarified for situations where the masking is not in effect that his solution likely works over greater distances (though he didn't specify what distances).
Could you show me a screenshot of your iPad with iOS 5 and the same screen (and which beta?).
No, I don't run iOS5, i guess you could find plenty of videos and pictures if you google though.
Also It's already been claimed this is iOS 4.3.x above.
Yet the message center is only visible if you have messages, so that claim is baseless too.
No offense, but I did my best to show you how this looked on my screen, I liked the study and the little application they made, but the whole thing has holes in it as said above.
What are these 'holes' that you're suggesting it has? Lets assume for a minute that the letters do show up, what difference does that actually make?
It's still clear your claims of these things being 'bogus' and 'incorrect' are baseless, im all for dissecting these kinds of studies but i would not start making claims unless i actually had some facts to back them up, that's just common sense.
Video is of IOS 4.3+ not 5. As the new version has a message center on that lock screen now.
but the message center is only there if you have messages.
I'm sorry are you the person behind this video?
No, obviously if i was i would be able to say what the version the ipad in the video was running wouldn't i.
Yes, I do like to pull an article apart to see the validity of the claims.
But your claims don't seem to actually be refuting the article because you don't have any facts. I personally wouldn't go calling something 'bogus' or their claims 'incorrect' unless my personal experience was actually replicating that of the article, and you certainly cannot say that yours is.
As far as I can see, this person's iPad is not behaving as mine does by default. I'm not sure if that's cause he has iOS5.0 as I do not use that.
Your experience is clearly an invalid basis for you to be calling it bogus then isn't it.
The letters that show up are huge, it's very very easy to read it off
At what distance?
But I wonder if he went this far on an assertion that was not completely true (ie. masked passwords cannot be read).
Or that much more likely he is using the new OS where they have added this fix to prevent people from reading the password directly and he is showing that it may not be enough.
Personally i think the study is far fetched anyway and could be mostly circumvented if they used the normal keyboard instead, or if you made sure to move around a little as you typed your password.
I'm not sure if the video is doctored or not or if it's iOS5, why would they do an experiment like this on a non-production OS? background for anon
Probably because it's the new version of the OS and that even if they introduce this feature of masking the keys completely there is still a vulnerability. Anyway it seems you're just trying to pull this article apart with whatever you can, albiet with no actual facts. First it's the keyboard (incorrect), then the password showing up (which is likely in the next OS version) and also the fact that they state in the article that you can do this over long distances where obviously the spatial position of a blue keyboard flash can be calculated even when the key could not possibly be read.
are you running iOS5?
No, that's not how it works. If you are observing the iPad, you can easily figure out what is typed by looking at the key that is being pressed, let me demonstrate (see the h). For some reason their iPad is not doing this :) Which is the case for the rest of their experiment.
And you are just running to the assumption that it is doctored video as opposed to say iOS5?
Yes, I tested it all out
Oh come on, you started by saying the keyboard wasn't black!
On mine when I press a key, the key is momentarily shown on the line above before turning into a masked entry.
And you're running what version with what settings?
My problem with this video demonstration is that they didn't have to go that far, they just had to capture the password, but they assert it is already masked.
That's because it is already masked which is what he said, so of course the only way to capture it is to determine what keys were pressed. How else are you going to capture the password?
Whether or not any iPad keyboard is actually black with a blue afterglow (could that be IOS 5?)
It's the keyboard for the alphanumeric passcode lock screen entry, it's been that way for quite some time.