You still need to equalize on input end as well. Humans have to go through man-machine interface that is keyboard, mouse or controller. AI is typically directly plugged in.
So you'd need some kind of a mechanical manipulator for a keyboard/mouse/controller to fully equalize both input and output. In your scenario, it's just output that is being equalized. Your experiment only goes half way of the necessary road for what could be considered an equal playing field.
Indeed. This is an early iteration of the system. Eventually with enough effort, visual recognition will be at sufficient level, there will be a mechanical hand to press keyboard buttons and manipulate the mouse, and AI will have training to do go with all the heroes.
Saying that "but we can win it" forgoes a critical caveat. "For now".
I'm not even sure how to address someone who manages to have knowledge of historic facts, but manages to bend them so utterly and completely out of any reasonable interpretation just to fit his prejudices.
I live in the world where historic facts happened, and no, Barons War was not a "capitalist revolution" in any sane interpretation of it. Frankly, your statement is so beyond idiotic, we're all dumber for having to read it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
Then what was the thought you had? It's factual that alternative systems to one we have have caused starvation, to this day.
And you literally tried to spin a narrative of "well our poor are as badly off as those that are starving, because they lack nutrients". That was your thought. So, people in the West are dying of scurvy or similar disease, rather than hunger, are they?
You lied. People can afford nutrition just fine. Our poor are in fact able to afford too much nutrition just as well as too many calories. Which is why they're not dying of scurvy or similar diseases, and them being fat is a good thing compared to being starved by the other systems that currently exist and actively cause starvation of the poor within them.
Here's a thing. Just because you have a thought in your head that you didn't quite think through to its logical and historically well proven conclusion doesn't mean that your thought cannot be ran to this conclusion by others who saw you type it out.
Considering your posting history, I understand why you think that calls in this thread are reasonable. When one is on the extreme fringe of the left, even marxists seem reasonable to you.
To most of us who actually exist in the political centre to centre left, they're butchers who have deep seated hatred for the world itself. Something we get evidence for every time a "balanced hybrid system" such as those practised in Venezuela get put into actual action.
It always ends in starvation of the poorest. Every single time. And every time, people on the fringe of far left like you dismiss it with "well they didn't do it right, now if I got to implement it, I'd do it right".
It's the same attitude that people like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot had. And it's that exact attitude that made them by far the most bloody tyrants of our history. Cause and effect.
Or as infamous quote goes, "to do the same thing and expect a different result is a sign of insanity". Especially when it ends in people, including children, dying of starvation due to lack of resources every single time, even in modern world where we have such an abundance of resources due to capitalism, we have all but eliminated non-political hunger from the world.
That moment when the best you have is "well this system lets poor get fat, instead of hungry as they do in all other systems to this day, and that's the problem with the system".
How much hatred one must have for the poor to be able to produce a thought this pathological.
Best evidence for "marxists don't like the poor, they just hate the rich" I've seen in a long time.
Here's a thing. Kardashians haven't become super rich because someone gave their riches to them. They worked hard, doing some really harsh, nasty things that most people wouldn't be willing nor able to do to get where they are for many years. After that, they trained their younger siblings to do the same thing. Who did those harsh, nasty things when they were still children, with ultimate goal of becoming rich.
It's the nature of capitalism. When you have a talent, and have the perseverance to capitalize on it, you overwhelmingly tend to succeed. If you lack either talent of perseverance, you probably won't succeed, because one of the aforementioned people will succeed in your field instead.
Kardashians may be some of the most outwardly vain, nasty people. And they're also among the most hard working, most sacrificing and most successful as a result. If you think they don't work, you're not just ignorant. You're plain stupid. Their work day starts when they wake up, and it ends when they fall asleep on a good day. On a bad day, they're working while they're asleep. Because no matter what, they must continue being what they built themselves to be. Idols for people who pay money for them being their idols. And that means no time off. You're always on the clock. Always being what you're expected to be. If you think this isn't work, you've never worked a day in your life. Because this is the kind of work that is so awful, most people wouldn't do it. And I include myself here. I've worked on the fields several summers of my life, and I would not be able to do work this hard.
Anyone who worked with most successful people knows this. CEO's don't have vacations or time off. If they get a call in the middle of the night while they're on what you think as a vacation, they answer it, and must provide a complex resolution to problems presented to them within a very short time span. Doesn't matter if the child is sick. Doesn't matter is the spouse is angry. Doesn't matter if you are dizzy from being awoken in the middle of the night. If you don't work, there are a hundred newcomers under you who will do this work with pleasure and you will be fired within a few days for failing to meet your obligations.
And they get such calls quite often if they're CEOs of large companies.
That moment when there are people in this very thread making Marx's talking points as if they still have any merit, and then there's you. Denying them talking about it.
Marxism. Of all religions in the world, it's probably one of the most insidious, degenerating ability of reason and logic of its followers to such extreme.
Dear ignorant socialist. I would like to explain something very basic to you, that will shock you. Sit down for this.
Western countries are not planned economies. They're not socialist, nor are they communist. What you're attributing to government due to your planned economy biases is not attributable to government in capitalist systems.
There was no "capitalist revolution" dear ignorant socialist. I understand that you being an ignorant socialist, "revolution" is something you're utterly indoctrinated to view as a positive thing. In reality, as opposed to marxist dogma, revolutions are generally rather bad for economy, because they take a huge chunk of resources and disrupt many of the existing systems of the society. Result is usually that country loses decades of progress just to recover.
Capitalism simply did what it does best. It allowed people with capital to finance people with relevant skills to get to the top, motivated by profit. And as a result, made most industries more efficient than planned economy priests in socialist economies could ever dream of. Which is how we effectively ended world hunger for example. In spite of all the doom and glood, we beat the most optimistic UN targets for eliminating world hunger. We've also pulled, and keep pulling record numbers of people out of abject poverty, right now.
Poverty often associated with "curbing capitalism too much", as is the case in "revolutionary" countries like Venezuela.
Capitalism has been the best system by far so far in reducing poverty. For example, we beat the most optimistic UN projections of beating world hunger by several years, and we're well on track to eliminate it right now.
Problem is, mass media in the West is utterly penetrated by marxists who have no interest in telling you this. Instead they tell you about "poverty of the rich". People who are poor and who's biggest problem is that they're eating too much, and as a result, have an "obesity crisis".
A fitting description for poor in a capitalist system. Their problem is that there's so much excess, that even the poor can afford to get fat.
This is actually restoration of the status quo. In nature, regardless of species, differential between successful and unsuccessful is a very deep chasm.
Over last couple of centuries, humans in Western world faced a massive transformation of the very basics of the society. The kind that saw selection pressure reduce the difference between successful and unsuccessful significantly. It culminated in the age of post-WW2 generations, when rapid growth of everything from knowledge to economy was mainly limited by availability of capable workforce to do the work.
But now, the low hanging fruit has been picked, and the process is heading back toward natural equilibrium. It's a shame that naive people who have been brainwashed by folks with massive anti-capitalist axe to grind attribute the natural state of things to "capitalism" and divergence from it to "not having capitalism", "communism" and "socialism", depending how far they have bought into the cult of Marxism.
Because as we have observed in most of the world, capitalism has been by far the most successful force to eliminate poverty ever conceived and attempted in human history. It just needs to be managed to moderate the peaks of the same natural cycle that all life on this planet follows, the cycle of boom and bust.
But when all you have is extremist marxists on the other side, who are willing to use everything from authoritarianism to violence to shut down anyone who so much as dares to suggest that their cult is the answer to world's problems, both real and imaginary, everyone else gets polarized just to be able to resist their advances, and everyone is worse off as a result.
Because the incredibly unproductive risk aversion of Western countries doesn't really exist outside them. Case for DDT vs malaria for example is clear. Take DDT if you're sane. Same for leaded gasoline vs billions of people not being able to afford fuel.
As for your last statement, there's an old quote: "If you're not communist when you're young, you have no heart. If you're not capitalist when you're old, you have no brain".
Hopefully you're still young. No one likes edgy and ignorant adults.
>if we don't learn things through the scientific method, how are you suggesting we learn them?
I have never suggested this.
>If we don't use scientific evidence to inform our policies, what should we use?
I have never suggested this.
Regardless, it's highly obvious that your mind has locked up on the fear I mentioned above, and you are simply unable to get past this hurdle, as you rapidly regressed back to the same point where we started at - you desperately misrepresenting my points to utterly stupid levels so you can convince rational parts of your mind that I can just be dismissed, and that primordial fear that I triggered in your several times causing this rapid regression is nothing to be worried about.
You're not ready for this discussion. Hopefully you will be once you get a bit older and wiser. Until then, I wish you all the best.
I have never, not even once suggested that McPherson was a progressive. There's a reason why there's "and" separator between "McPherson" and "his progressive cronies".
Notably, you acted in the very similar way to what was in that report. You condemn me based on something I have never done.
If it's pretending to be Fortnite the game, has the "game" tag on it, and serves ads, malware and mining? Yes.
If it's an actual calculator, it's not going to be confused for Fortnite the game by any modern algorithm. Among the first thing they look at for identification is tags.
Centrists have no cause to unite around, and just prefer to live their lives in peace.
It's why it's the small extreme minorities that take over countries eventually. For far left, the good example is Russian revolution of the 1917, and civil war that followed it. For far right, similar example is federal election of 1933 in Germany, followed by night of long knives in 1934.
Both ideologies specifically target the centre with terror to beat it into compliance. Far left is far more insidious than far right at this, as they tend to focus on forcing people to deny their reality, even their suffering publicly, which is one of the most psychologically damaging things you can do to a person. Far right's damage to centre is less distinct, as it tends to allow them to exist as long as they do not challenge them. And both are united in their hatred for people who are successful on merits. Former because someone performing better than other is a form of oppression in their ideology, while to latter it's a sign of their supremacist beliefs being incorrect.
And both parties react with torture and murder to any evidence of their extremist dogma being false.
The sad part of this narrative is that you take something that is factually correct and should be used to beat the guilty party into submission to paint an innocent party.
Yes, what was done to police force in UK is fucking horrifying. But it wasn't the media that did it. At most, it is complicit, but the main act was by someone else. It was the government, driven by anti-Western ideologues that its university are now producing. Read the 1998 McPherson report. It literally states that it has found no evidence for any systemic racism in Metropolitan police service or Crown Prosecution Service. And then goes to conclude that both of those parties were institutionally racist. It literally took the innocent people, concluded that it had no evidence of their wrongdoing, and then publicly hanged them for the crimes that they had no evidence for.
After this, police were utterly horrified of even the mentioning of the word racist toward them, and for a good reason. And it had nothing to do with "jews" or "media" at that point. It had everything to do with McPherson's witch hunt and government's will to go with it.
And this witch hunt has continued ever since, since the progressive movement with its ultimate goal of destruction of Western civilization took this decision and used it in media among other places to terrorize both the police and prosecution services in UK ever since.
So put blame on correct people. Your target for blame should be McPherson and his progressive cronies first and foremost, and people in government who haven't touched the report itself, and instead simply read the conclusions and took them for granted.
Play store has been utterly flooded with fake Fortnite installers since iphone version release. Everything from malware and (before play store ban) miners to just ad serving garbage.
Google didn't give a shit. For months. This garbage even popped up on "recommended" list for me a few times.
And now that Epic actually stated that it isn't publishing on play store, Google finally put a warning on that garbage. Good job Epic for forcing Google to act in some manner, and what the fuck took you so long, oh benevolent overlords at Google?
Saudi invest almost universally long term. They also don't enforce non-public format of their investment heavily, which is why you won't find any definitive statements on wealth of Saudis in "reputable" mainstream media.
Best analyst assessments I've seen have been insider data, and they suggest that Bezos, Gates and Slim are small fish in comparison to wealthiest Saudis.
Ruling the country is the family business, not the country itself.
And said country has countless clans within House of Saud feuding with one another. Many of them run their own investment funds which are specifically split across the clan lines.
Slashdot Mirror
Your original statement in context of this thread.
You still need to equalize on input end as well. Humans have to go through man-machine interface that is keyboard, mouse or controller. AI is typically directly plugged in.
So you'd need some kind of a mechanical manipulator for a keyboard/mouse/controller to fully equalize both input and output. In your scenario, it's just output that is being equalized. Your experiment only goes half way of the necessary road for what could be considered an equal playing field.
Indeed. This is an early iteration of the system. Eventually with enough effort, visual recognition will be at sufficient level, there will be a mechanical hand to press keyboard buttons and manipulate the mouse, and AI will have training to do go with all the heroes.
Saying that "but we can win it" forgoes a critical caveat. "For now".
I'm not even sure how to address someone who manages to have knowledge of historic facts, but manages to bend them so utterly and completely out of any reasonable interpretation just to fit his prejudices.
I live in the world where historic facts happened, and no, Barons War was not a "capitalist revolution" in any sane interpretation of it. Frankly, your statement is so beyond idiotic, we're all dumber for having to read it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
And here come the lies about what you actually said, as if everyone in this thread can't just read your original statement.
Then what was the thought you had? It's factual that alternative systems to one we have have caused starvation, to this day.
And you literally tried to spin a narrative of "well our poor are as badly off as those that are starving, because they lack nutrients". That was your thought. So, people in the West are dying of scurvy or similar disease, rather than hunger, are they?
You lied. People can afford nutrition just fine. Our poor are in fact able to afford too much nutrition just as well as too many calories. Which is why they're not dying of scurvy or similar diseases, and them being fat is a good thing compared to being starved by the other systems that currently exist and actively cause starvation of the poor within them.
Here's a thing. Just because you have a thought in your head that you didn't quite think through to its logical and historically well proven conclusion doesn't mean that your thought cannot be ran to this conclusion by others who saw you type it out.
Considering your posting history, I understand why you think that calls in this thread are reasonable. When one is on the extreme fringe of the left, even marxists seem reasonable to you.
To most of us who actually exist in the political centre to centre left, they're butchers who have deep seated hatred for the world itself. Something we get evidence for every time a "balanced hybrid system" such as those practised in Venezuela get put into actual action.
It always ends in starvation of the poorest. Every single time. And every time, people on the fringe of far left like you dismiss it with "well they didn't do it right, now if I got to implement it, I'd do it right".
It's the same attitude that people like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot had. And it's that exact attitude that made them by far the most bloody tyrants of our history. Cause and effect.
Or as infamous quote goes, "to do the same thing and expect a different result is a sign of insanity". Especially when it ends in people, including children, dying of starvation due to lack of resources every single time, even in modern world where we have such an abundance of resources due to capitalism, we have all but eliminated non-political hunger from the world.
That moment when the best you have is "well this system lets poor get fat, instead of hungry as they do in all other systems to this day, and that's the problem with the system".
How much hatred one must have for the poor to be able to produce a thought this pathological.
Best evidence for "marxists don't like the poor, they just hate the rich" I've seen in a long time.
Here's a thing. Kardashians haven't become super rich because someone gave their riches to them. They worked hard, doing some really harsh, nasty things that most people wouldn't be willing nor able to do to get where they are for many years. After that, they trained their younger siblings to do the same thing. Who did those harsh, nasty things when they were still children, with ultimate goal of becoming rich.
It's the nature of capitalism. When you have a talent, and have the perseverance to capitalize on it, you overwhelmingly tend to succeed. If you lack either talent of perseverance, you probably won't succeed, because one of the aforementioned people will succeed in your field instead.
Kardashians may be some of the most outwardly vain, nasty people. And they're also among the most hard working, most sacrificing and most successful as a result. If you think they don't work, you're not just ignorant. You're plain stupid. Their work day starts when they wake up, and it ends when they fall asleep on a good day. On a bad day, they're working while they're asleep. Because no matter what, they must continue being what they built themselves to be. Idols for people who pay money for them being their idols. And that means no time off. You're always on the clock. Always being what you're expected to be. If you think this isn't work, you've never worked a day in your life. Because this is the kind of work that is so awful, most people wouldn't do it. And I include myself here. I've worked on the fields several summers of my life, and I would not be able to do work this hard.
Anyone who worked with most successful people knows this. CEO's don't have vacations or time off. If they get a call in the middle of the night while they're on what you think as a vacation, they answer it, and must provide a complex resolution to problems presented to them within a very short time span. Doesn't matter if the child is sick. Doesn't matter is the spouse is angry. Doesn't matter if you are dizzy from being awoken in the middle of the night. If you don't work, there are a hundred newcomers under you who will do this work with pleasure and you will be fired within a few days for failing to meet your obligations.
And they get such calls quite often if they're CEOs of large companies.
That moment when there are people in this very thread making Marx's talking points as if they still have any merit, and then there's you. Denying them talking about it.
Marxism. Of all religions in the world, it's probably one of the most insidious, degenerating ability of reason and logic of its followers to such extreme.
Dear ignorant socialist. I would like to explain something very basic to you, that will shock you. Sit down for this.
Western countries are not planned economies. They're not socialist, nor are they communist. What you're attributing to government due to your planned economy biases is not attributable to government in capitalist systems.
There was no "capitalist revolution" dear ignorant socialist. I understand that you being an ignorant socialist, "revolution" is something you're utterly indoctrinated to view as a positive thing. In reality, as opposed to marxist dogma, revolutions are generally rather bad for economy, because they take a huge chunk of resources and disrupt many of the existing systems of the society. Result is usually that country loses decades of progress just to recover.
Capitalism simply did what it does best. It allowed people with capital to finance people with relevant skills to get to the top, motivated by profit. And as a result, made most industries more efficient than planned economy priests in socialist economies could ever dream of. Which is how we effectively ended world hunger for example. In spite of all the doom and glood, we beat the most optimistic UN targets for eliminating world hunger. We've also pulled, and keep pulling record numbers of people out of abject poverty, right now.
Poverty often associated with "curbing capitalism too much", as is the case in "revolutionary" countries like Venezuela.
Capitalism has been the best system by far so far in reducing poverty. For example, we beat the most optimistic UN projections of beating world hunger by several years, and we're well on track to eliminate it right now.
Problem is, mass media in the West is utterly penetrated by marxists who have no interest in telling you this. Instead they tell you about "poverty of the rich". People who are poor and who's biggest problem is that they're eating too much, and as a result, have an "obesity crisis".
A fitting description for poor in a capitalist system. Their problem is that there's so much excess, that even the poor can afford to get fat.
This is actually restoration of the status quo. In nature, regardless of species, differential between successful and unsuccessful is a very deep chasm.
Over last couple of centuries, humans in Western world faced a massive transformation of the very basics of the society. The kind that saw selection pressure reduce the difference between successful and unsuccessful significantly. It culminated in the age of post-WW2 generations, when rapid growth of everything from knowledge to economy was mainly limited by availability of capable workforce to do the work.
But now, the low hanging fruit has been picked, and the process is heading back toward natural equilibrium. It's a shame that naive people who have been brainwashed by folks with massive anti-capitalist axe to grind attribute the natural state of things to "capitalism" and divergence from it to "not having capitalism", "communism" and "socialism", depending how far they have bought into the cult of Marxism.
Because as we have observed in most of the world, capitalism has been by far the most successful force to eliminate poverty ever conceived and attempted in human history. It just needs to be managed to moderate the peaks of the same natural cycle that all life on this planet follows, the cycle of boom and bust.
But when all you have is extremist marxists on the other side, who are willing to use everything from authoritarianism to violence to shut down anyone who so much as dares to suggest that their cult is the answer to world's problems, both real and imaginary, everyone else gets polarized just to be able to resist their advances, and everyone is worse off as a result.
Everything about it sounds wrong. The goal of letting company pay for mascot is so that there's additional economic activity.
What he's doing is called "fraud". It's why tax benefits that could be genuinely useful are either not passed, or revoked.
Because the incredibly unproductive risk aversion of Western countries doesn't really exist outside them. Case for DDT vs malaria for example is clear. Take DDT if you're sane. Same for leaded gasoline vs billions of people not being able to afford fuel.
As for your last statement, there's an old quote: "If you're not communist when you're young, you have no heart. If you're not capitalist when you're old, you have no brain".
Hopefully you're still young. No one likes edgy and ignorant adults.
>if we don't learn things through the scientific method, how are you suggesting we learn them?
I have never suggested this.
>If we don't use scientific evidence to inform our policies, what should we use?
I have never suggested this.
Regardless, it's highly obvious that your mind has locked up on the fear I mentioned above, and you are simply unable to get past this hurdle, as you rapidly regressed back to the same point where we started at - you desperately misrepresenting my points to utterly stupid levels so you can convince rational parts of your mind that I can just be dismissed, and that primordial fear that I triggered in your several times causing this rapid regression is nothing to be worried about.
You're not ready for this discussion. Hopefully you will be once you get a bit older and wiser. Until then, I wish you all the best.
I have never, not even once suggested that McPherson was a progressive. There's a reason why there's "and" separator between "McPherson" and "his progressive cronies".
Notably, you acted in the very similar way to what was in that report. You condemn me based on something I have never done.
Actually both are considered "hybrid Western".
If it's pretending to be Fortnite the game, has the "game" tag on it, and serves ads, malware and mining? Yes.
If it's an actual calculator, it's not going to be confused for Fortnite the game by any modern algorithm. Among the first thing they look at for identification is tags.
Centrists have no cause to unite around, and just prefer to live their lives in peace.
It's why it's the small extreme minorities that take over countries eventually. For far left, the good example is Russian revolution of the 1917, and civil war that followed it. For far right, similar example is federal election of 1933 in Germany, followed by night of long knives in 1934.
Both ideologies specifically target the centre with terror to beat it into compliance. Far left is far more insidious than far right at this, as they tend to focus on forcing people to deny their reality, even their suffering publicly, which is one of the most psychologically damaging things you can do to a person. Far right's damage to centre is less distinct, as it tends to allow them to exist as long as they do not challenge them. And both are united in their hatred for people who are successful on merits. Former because someone performing better than other is a form of oppression in their ideology, while to latter it's a sign of their supremacist beliefs being incorrect.
And both parties react with torture and murder to any evidence of their extremist dogma being false.
The sad part of this narrative is that you take something that is factually correct and should be used to beat the guilty party into submission to paint an innocent party.
Yes, what was done to police force in UK is fucking horrifying. But it wasn't the media that did it. At most, it is complicit, but the main act was by someone else. It was the government, driven by anti-Western ideologues that its university are now producing. Read the 1998 McPherson report. It literally states that it has found no evidence for any systemic racism in Metropolitan police service or Crown Prosecution Service. And then goes to conclude that both of those parties were institutionally racist. It literally took the innocent people, concluded that it had no evidence of their wrongdoing, and then publicly hanged them for the crimes that they had no evidence for.
After this, police were utterly horrified of even the mentioning of the word racist toward them, and for a good reason. And it had nothing to do with "jews" or "media" at that point. It had everything to do with McPherson's witch hunt and government's will to go with it.
And this witch hunt has continued ever since, since the progressive movement with its ultimate goal of destruction of Western civilization took this decision and used it in media among other places to terrorize both the police and prosecution services in UK ever since.
So put blame on correct people. Your target for blame should be McPherson and his progressive cronies first and foremost, and people in government who haven't touched the report itself, and instead simply read the conclusions and took them for granted.
Play store has been utterly flooded with fake Fortnite installers since iphone version release. Everything from malware and (before play store ban) miners to just ad serving garbage.
Google didn't give a shit. For months. This garbage even popped up on "recommended" list for me a few times.
And now that Epic actually stated that it isn't publishing on play store, Google finally put a warning on that garbage. Good job Epic for forcing Google to act in some manner, and what the fuck took you so long, oh benevolent overlords at Google?
Did you notice that every country you listed falls within "Western" umbrella, and their totality is indeed a small fraction of the world?
Saudi invest almost universally long term. They also don't enforce non-public format of their investment heavily, which is why you won't find any definitive statements on wealth of Saudis in "reputable" mainstream media.
Best analyst assessments I've seen have been insider data, and they suggest that Bezos, Gates and Slim are small fish in comparison to wealthiest Saudis.
Ruling the country is the family business, not the country itself.
And said country has countless clans within House of Saud feuding with one another. Many of them run their own investment funds which are specifically split across the clan lines.