This has to do with world's demography. Countries that are rich enough to have tourists travelling to US overwhelmingly have a severe population decline.
You know "millenials"? That generation that is quite big in terms of demography is now entering the "has money to spend" bracket, and likes to spend its money of touchy-feely stuff like "experiences while travelling"? Most of developed world has barely any. They're a massive demographic hole outside US.
Exploits that have been stated as "unpatchable" and drummed about in every single piece of media the way meltdown and spectre were?
Weeks at most. In most cases, probably days. Malware industry is a for-profit one, and you could make nine-ten digits easily if you actually had an exploit to vaccuum people's passwords en masse with just a javascript.
Evidence is in the fact that in spite of massive attention this exploit got, and its supposed pervasiveness, no one utilized it to attack browsers in any meaningful capacity to this date.
You need to read Gulag Archipelago. There you will find what it is that happens the very ideals you espouse come to life. You will also find what happens to ideological and naive people like you. They were a notable group of their own among the zeks. Both in incredible length that they went in to justify why the system was correct as you do, and in their constant mental gymnastics they had to go through to justify why it is that their perfect system ended up the way it did.
I don't know of any other way to de-program a true believer like you.
By that definition, US is already socialist. It already provides public education, worker protections, social safety nets, etc.
So we can easily dismiss your definition as absurd on merits.
P.S. One last time. A PM of a country that is actually built on the social democratic model had to openly rebuke Sanders for the claim you're making. This is the kind of diplomatic gesture that is never taken lightly, and is only done when there's a genuinely meaningful and damaging error being made on the part of one making the claim.
You can keep implying that Danish PM is a liar. It doesn't make him one. But it does make YOU one.
This was nuked almost instantly by all major browser vendors. Javascript engine in browsers no longer has access to timings tight enough to utilize this bug.
No, but it's in EU, which is in the same economic zone. The entire point of the single market is that you need only one representative to cover it all, because it's a single market.
That's why they usually spin off daughter companies to handle operations overseas. Want to summon representative of Facebook in UK? Sure. Summon whoever is the head of Dublin headquarters.
The fact that you twisted the meaning of my words to the incredible extent that you did demonstrates just how acute your cognitive dissonance is. I said nothing that could be even remotely interpreted as what you did. All I stated is that there is currently a convergence of interests from two sides of political spectrum which caused a socialism to be viewed in a certain way. With people like you falling victim to it.
You missed that message entirely, in spite of it being clearly spelled out, and instead twisted it into the weird "you just don't understand socialism" contortion.
Are there people who aren't white men who work hard, and who do well? Hint: Previous president of US to overwhelming over-representation of asian rather than white people in top tier jobs disagrees with what you think reality of the world is.
On your last point, I'm well aware that "suggesting that you walking the exact same path, and ending up doing exact same thing" is anathema to modern socialists, who like to think themselves special people, who are not bound by reality (see the first paragraph), history (see previous posts on the topic) or even logic (see this entire conversation). Considering just how morally bankrupt socialism was objectively demonstrated to be, and just how well it has demonstrated to enable pathologic behaviours within good people, while suppressing beneficial ones, it is one of the remaining bastions into which a genuinely good intentioned person can still flee to justify socialism. Hence the invention of post-modernism, which turns to suggest that reality itself should be considered subjective and irrelevant.
What people like that run into is that while you can indeed ignore all those things, you cannot ignore their consequences.
And then, you read my actual argument instead of just stating caricatures you've built in your head to justify why certain beliefs are not going to be tyrannical this time.
"It's never been tried because all attempts in the past did it wrong and if you just let me do it my way, it would succeed" is the standard modern socialist complaint. Socialism has lost all of its moral high ground after Gulag Archipelago came out, and as a result, this is the only thing remaining that people that want to walk the same path again can do to elevate themselves into position of moral good in their heads.
So yes, it most certainly has been tried across the world. Many times, in many different ways, shapes and forms. Commonality being that it always ended in tyranny.
Question: did they earn it? Did they work hard to get where they are?
If they did, what gives you the right to take it away from them?
This is why socialism resulted in abject failure every time it was implemented on state level in long term. It ostracises the best and the brightest, painting competence as the grand evil to be purged. And as a result, no one wants to be seen as competent. And then, the system collapses because you need competent people acting out their competence to sustain the system. We've seen it in USSR, we've seen it Venezuela, we've seen it in Warsaw pact, we've seen it in various Arabic states, and we've even seen it in China when socialist policies where implemented instead of capitalist ones. Excellence was purged as evil, and system started to collapse under mediocrity it worshipped.
That is not to say that competent people should be shown that it is highly beneficial to them to give up much of their earnings in exchange for stability of the entire system. There is a good discussion to be had on benefits of Social Democracy. But every time you have a socialist trying to sell himself as a Social Democrat, you never stop pointing out that he is lying.
Actual duality is not what you state. That is the common result of the propaganda in US coming from both sides. The conservative side trying to push for things like "no universal healthcare" and so on, that is genuinely beneficial try to paint it at socialism. And therefore, the states that have it are, you guessed it, "socialist".
Then you have the actual socialists, who see this usage, and embrace it from the other end. "Look at me, I'm Bernie Sanders, and I'm an actual socialist. And I'm just like Denmark, as conservatives have so long advertised". Except that you're not. You're a socialist. And Denmark is a free market capitalist state.
If you ever even remotely consider that our states are socialist, you're being had. Badly. Socialists in our countries are commonly in the small far left parties. Social Democrats are NOT socialists by any measure. If you ever get told that Social Democracy is about socialism, you're being lied to.
Of course you don't. It's not like Sanders hasn't insulted Nordic states by suggesting they're "socialist" because he needed to pretend really hard that his hard left views are "mainstream".
Reminder for the far leftists: socialism is far left on the political spectrum. There is no other way to slice the cake. If you're a Sanders supporter, you're a socialist supporter. If you support socialism, you are by definition a part of far left movement.
Yes, "giving the disadvantaged more chance" is the feel-good version of "be racist against whites, be sexist against men, be bigoted against successful". One needs not go beyond the US Democratic party mainstream to see all of these views being publicly aired. Because far left has largely been able to dictate the discourse.
This isn't a part of centre-left agenda, but it is central to far left agenda. Bernie is openly calling himself socialist because he is one. And socialists are far left no matter how you slice the political cake. That is why he was so desperate to suggest that there are successful Nordic states that are socialist like him to appeal to traditional centre-left voters. When there aren't any. We're all free market capitalist economies.
As I said, if your position requires essentially everyone around you to be "knownothing trolls and tools", have you ever considered that it's not the world around you that is wrong, but you?
Consider that it's very beneficial for you to be wrong in that scenario. Because if you are wrong, you can fix it. If the world is wrong, you're fucked. Because world owes you nothing. It was here first.
I literally have a video for you linked above where a truck was stopped in about 15 meters. While you cannot "change the laws of physics", you can eliminate various uncertainty factors.
I really recommend you look up that breaking system in Volvo trucks which saved the child in the video I linked. It demonstrates my point.
Actually pretty much everyone that follows the accepted dogma of modern progressivism today is within the scope. That number is not low in US, and people who have this agenda have proven track record of being able to force through policy changes.
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This has to do with world's demography. Countries that are rich enough to have tourists travelling to US overwhelmingly have a severe population decline.
You know "millenials"? That generation that is quite big in terms of demography is now entering the "has money to spend" bracket, and likes to spend its money of touchy-feely stuff like "experiences while travelling"? Most of developed world has barely any. They're a massive demographic hole outside US.
Exploits that have been stated as "unpatchable" and drummed about in every single piece of media the way meltdown and spectre were?
Weeks at most. In most cases, probably days. Malware industry is a for-profit one, and you could make nine-ten digits easily if you actually had an exploit to vaccuum people's passwords en masse with just a javascript.
Greed is a very powerful motivator.
Evidence is in the fact that in spite of massive attention this exploit got, and its supposed pervasiveness, no one utilized it to attack browsers in any meaningful capacity to this date.
You need to read Gulag Archipelago. There you will find what it is that happens the very ideals you espouse come to life. You will also find what happens to ideological and naive people like you. They were a notable group of their own among the zeks. Both in incredible length that they went in to justify why the system was correct as you do, and in their constant mental gymnastics they had to go through to justify why it is that their perfect system ended up the way it did.
I don't know of any other way to de-program a true believer like you.
By that definition, US is already socialist. It already provides public education, worker protections, social safety nets, etc.
So we can easily dismiss your definition as absurd on merits.
P.S. One last time. A PM of a country that is actually built on the social democratic model had to openly rebuke Sanders for the claim you're making. This is the kind of diplomatic gesture that is never taken lightly, and is only done when there's a genuinely meaningful and damaging error being made on the part of one making the claim.
You can keep implying that Danish PM is a liar. It doesn't make him one. But it does make YOU one.
Common economic zone has nothing to do with the kind of enforcement you seem to be thinking.
This was nuked almost instantly by all major browser vendors. Javascript engine in browsers no longer has access to timings tight enough to utilize this bug.
No, but it's in EU, which is in the same economic zone. The entire point of the single market is that you need only one representative to cover it all, because it's a single market.
That's why they usually spin off daughter companies to handle operations overseas. Want to summon representative of Facebook in UK? Sure. Summon whoever is the head of Dublin headquarters.
You're still grasping to the same caricature. Read my actual argument.
The fact that you twisted the meaning of my words to the incredible extent that you did demonstrates just how acute your cognitive dissonance is. I said nothing that could be even remotely interpreted as what you did. All I stated is that there is currently a convergence of interests from two sides of political spectrum which caused a socialism to be viewed in a certain way. With people like you falling victim to it.
You missed that message entirely, in spite of it being clearly spelled out, and instead twisted it into the weird "you just don't understand socialism" contortion.
Are there people who aren't white men who work hard, and who do well? Hint: Previous president of US to overwhelming over-representation of asian rather than white people in top tier jobs disagrees with what you think reality of the world is.
On your last point, I'm well aware that "suggesting that you walking the exact same path, and ending up doing exact same thing" is anathema to modern socialists, who like to think themselves special people, who are not bound by reality (see the first paragraph), history (see previous posts on the topic) or even logic (see this entire conversation). Considering just how morally bankrupt socialism was objectively demonstrated to be, and just how well it has demonstrated to enable pathologic behaviours within good people, while suppressing beneficial ones, it is one of the remaining bastions into which a genuinely good intentioned person can still flee to justify socialism. Hence the invention of post-modernism, which turns to suggest that reality itself should be considered subjective and irrelevant.
What people like that run into is that while you can indeed ignore all those things, you cannot ignore their consequences.
And then, you read my actual argument instead of just stating caricatures you've built in your head to justify why certain beliefs are not going to be tyrannical this time.
"It's never been tried because all attempts in the past did it wrong and if you just let me do it my way, it would succeed" is the standard modern socialist complaint. Socialism has lost all of its moral high ground after Gulag Archipelago came out, and as a result, this is the only thing remaining that people that want to walk the same path again can do to elevate themselves into position of moral good in their heads.
So yes, it most certainly has been tried across the world. Many times, in many different ways, shapes and forms. Commonality being that it always ended in tyranny.
Question: did they earn it? Did they work hard to get where they are?
If they did, what gives you the right to take it away from them?
This is why socialism resulted in abject failure every time it was implemented on state level in long term. It ostracises the best and the brightest, painting competence as the grand evil to be purged. And as a result, no one wants to be seen as competent. And then, the system collapses because you need competent people acting out their competence to sustain the system. We've seen it in USSR, we've seen it Venezuela, we've seen it in Warsaw pact, we've seen it in various Arabic states, and we've even seen it in China when socialist policies where implemented instead of capitalist ones. Excellence was purged as evil, and system started to collapse under mediocrity it worshipped.
That is not to say that competent people should be shown that it is highly beneficial to them to give up much of their earnings in exchange for stability of the entire system. There is a good discussion to be had on benefits of Social Democracy. But every time you have a socialist trying to sell himself as a Social Democrat, you never stop pointing out that he is lying.
As PM of Denmark did to Sanders.
Actual duality is not what you state. That is the common result of the propaganda in US coming from both sides. The conservative side trying to push for things like "no universal healthcare" and so on, that is genuinely beneficial try to paint it at socialism. And therefore, the states that have it are, you guessed it, "socialist".
Then you have the actual socialists, who see this usage, and embrace it from the other end. "Look at me, I'm Bernie Sanders, and I'm an actual socialist. And I'm just like Denmark, as conservatives have so long advertised". Except that you're not. You're a socialist. And Denmark is a free market capitalist state.
If you ever even remotely consider that our states are socialist, you're being had. Badly. Socialists in our countries are commonly in the small far left parties. Social Democrats are NOT socialists by any measure. If you ever get told that Social Democracy is about socialism, you're being lied to.
Of course you don't. It's not like Sanders hasn't insulted Nordic states by suggesting they're "socialist" because he needed to pretend really hard that his hard left views are "mainstream".
Reminder for the far leftists: socialism is far left on the political spectrum. There is no other way to slice the cake. If you're a Sanders supporter, you're a socialist supporter. If you support socialism, you are by definition a part of far left movement.
That's mainly because current centre left has a socialist for their leader, and marxist for their second.
UK is almost as much of a mess politically as US in this regard, with far left taking over and consuming centre-left.
Yes, "giving the disadvantaged more chance" is the feel-good version of "be racist against whites, be sexist against men, be bigoted against successful". One needs not go beyond the US Democratic party mainstream to see all of these views being publicly aired. Because far left has largely been able to dictate the discourse.
This isn't a part of centre-left agenda, but it is central to far left agenda. Bernie is openly calling himself socialist because he is one. And socialists are far left no matter how you slice the political cake. That is why he was so desperate to suggest that there are successful Nordic states that are socialist like him to appeal to traditional centre-left voters. When there aren't any. We're all free market capitalist economies.
As I said, if your position requires essentially everyone around you to be "knownothing trolls and tools", have you ever considered that it's not the world around you that is wrong, but you?
Consider that it's very beneficial for you to be wrong in that scenario. Because if you are wrong, you can fix it. If the world is wrong, you're fucked. Because world owes you nothing. It was here first.
Considering your answer, you clearly watched the link and understood that your position is untenable.
Because the careless idiot is a human being. The rest of your claims are bold faced lies and inventions.
Same China were drivers that miss exit on highway will just stop the car in the lane, and drive backwards until they get back to the exit?
There's a good reason why China is one of the few places on the planet where you can't drive on international driver's license.
I literally have a video for you linked above where a truck was stopped in about 15 meters. While you cannot "change the laws of physics", you can eliminate various uncertainty factors.
I really recommend you look up that breaking system in Volvo trucks which saved the child in the video I linked. It demonstrates my point.
Actually pretty much everyone that follows the accepted dogma of modern progressivism today is within the scope. That number is not low in US, and people who have this agenda have proven track record of being able to force through policy changes.