They also ignore IBM which is not to be ignored. Lets give props where props are due.
They didn't ignore IBM in the article, though.
Meynier pointed to IBM as an example of a successful business model that leverages open source and said that the "value-added embedded work" by Red Hat is another extremely potent business model.
Of course, this is not Miller, the Microsoft guy spreading the FUD, but a pro-open-source guy, so I'm not sure what MS thinks about the work IBM and Red Hat are doing.
Also, that link about the BIND problem calling it a linux problem only has me wondering about the credibility of this article... Sure, linux runs BIND, but don't a few other OSs run it, too?
Hell, @Home is such a large network that they probably would exceed 15 hops within their own net!
Yeah, that wouldn't suprise me at all. I was using @home in the Irvine area, and it took 22 hops just to get across the street to UC Irvine. about 18 of those were just bouncing around in the @home network... That, coupled with the frequent service outages left me very dissatisfied with their service...
And I don't even want to hear the anti-microsoft stuff ("...I don't even trust them to count right..."). I am sure that as mature adults, they'd do their duty to make as sucessful a package as possible for this. And I would hope that, as mature adults, our community would embrace a good design.
Well, that sounds nice and everything, but if I were voting via computer, either in a booth or online, I would want to feel safe that the process is secure. I dont want some 31337 hax0r stealing my vote, crashing the server, or adding, say, a few hundred (or even a few million) votes to someone like Pat Buchanan...
It's a little scary if you ask me... I won't want to be told to just believe Microsoft's solution is secure and trustworthy just because they say so. I want to KNOW that it is secure.
Well, on the next few pages of the transmission, the explanations of +, -, and power notation are given. It would be difficult to comprehend that line without the rest of the message, definitely.
Matt
i'm also very interested to see what happens with the 3dfx brand name. could nvidia keep marketing separate products under the 3dfx brand name? if so, what would be the differences between the products sold as 3dfx and those sold as nvidia. interesting indeed.
The 3Dfx name still provokes images of fast, quality video card for quake (or other 3D games), even though their latest cards may have sucked in comparison to NVidia's or ATI's.
9. What is NVIDIA's intention for the 3dfx and Voodoo brands?
We believe that the 3dfx and Voodoo brands are well known and respected throughout the industry. We have not finalized our plans for these brands at this time.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure ATI and Matrox are the only other (big) ones out there, unless I'm missing something. I think NVidia will dominate the gaming market now, with the help of 3Dfx. ATI has the Radeon, but that probably won't hold a candle to what NVidia and 3Dfx will put out. Matrox doesn't seem to cater to gamers, mainly professionals. This seems crazy! I'm shocked to see this happen. What will be next?
OK - maybe I should check the links, as well. I apologize if I offended you. I agree with your view on patents, and not his. Sometimes really cool things need to be attributed to the inventor with the protections patents provide. How else can inventors make money if unscrupulous individuals/corporations can freely copy innovative inventions and call them their own? Working all the time on more mundane things instead of making cool things to provide a living probably stifles creativity, or at leasts provides less time for it. The PTO doesn't need to be removed, just fixed. Maybe if they had some more money to hire intelligent people to filter out the bad patents (even though the patent filer is supposed to look for prior art themselves when applying for the patent).
Everybody knows what my position is on software patents, right?
Nowhere does he say he hates all patents. He subtly conveys the message that he disapproves of software patents. Don't get too nitpicky without understanding what he said.
Yeah - Liberty Line was my first, and I checked out Stars and Stripes once, I think. About a year after that, I moved away, and haven't kept in touch with anyone from that area, though...
Aaah - I remember Major BBSes. One of these was the first one I was on back in the day in Cincinnati. It had six lines, and one was usually used up by me... Of course, my parents didn't like the strange noises coming from the phone when they tried to call people... and then they made me go and drop carrier...
+++
ATH0
I don't think you have a clue as to what you are talking about. Nice made up numbers, though. You could fool someone that hasn't taken any electronics courses before, but not anyone intelligent. Oh wait, nevermind - this is pointless...
I think that area is hooked up for wireless ethernet because Qualcomm was testing that technology out a few years ago. If they sold their infrastructure to an ISP like Sprint, that's pretty cool... IMHO, wireless is much cooler (although probably not as fast) than silly copper wires. It's easier to hook up your apartment/home/car without wires...
I go to one of the UC schools (check my email address to see which one), and I can affirm that this is definitely the case in many lectures. Some professors (at least one that I had) have such well structured lecture notes that they could practically be published in a book. These lectures are the professors' intellectual property, whether they are at that level or not. Many a professor has been very ticked off to discover that people have been auditing the class just to sell lecture notes, which are very close approximations of the professors' personal creations.
I believe they switched to BSD after they had been playing around with it as an experimental machine. They saw how stable it was (and cheap!) and switched over.
Anonymity, on the other hand, means being able to get away with stealing, or hacking, or disseminating illegal material on the Internet - and presuming the right that nobody should know who you are.
One of the major attractions of the internet to some people is the prospect of anonymity - creating an online persona to experiment and discuss what you wouldn't normally in a public, non-anonymous forum. The whole idea of not knowing exactly who you're talking to is both a blessing and a curse (is that really a dog on the other end?), and it's what helps many people who are normally pretty introverted actually express themselves. Anonymity does not propagate stealing, it permits privacy and expression.
Here, we have already seen some major successes: ... Another recent victory confirming the application of copyright law to cyberspace involved the unlawful dissemination of DVD anti-copy codes.
Since when was this case a victory??? It hasn't even come to trial yet!
In the appropriation of intellectual property, myMP3.com, Napster, and Gnutella (which has stolen from the breakfasts of 100 million European children even its name) are, in my opinion, the ringleaders, the exemplars of theft, of piracy, of the illegal and willful appropriation of someone else's property.
ok... so an open source program is a ringleader of piracy? This guy's logic is amazing!
Those whose intellectual property is simply appropriated on the Internet or anywhere else, are forced to labor without choice or recompense, for the benefit of whoever might wish to take a piece of their hide. If this is a principle of the New World, it is suspiciously like the Old World principle called slavery.
So... trading mp3s is equated with slavery!!!
Let this be our notice then to all those who hold fairness in contempt, who devalue and demean the labor and genius of others, that because we have considered our actions well and because we are followers without reticence of a clear and just principle, we will not retreat. For in the end, this is not only a fight about the protection of music or movies, software code or video games. Nor is it a fight about technology's promise or its limitations. This is, at its core, quite simply about right and wrong. Thank you for letting me speak from the heart.
And what a cold, misguided heart that is... This is not simply right and wrong. It is about freedom, and he is saying freedom is bad. This guy needs to be educated. I'm disgusted.
Closed Source does NOT mean worse software. These people are paying for the rights to a produce a DVD player, the very least they should be able to do is recoup that cost.
Am I missing something? I thought free software and open source were different. In that case, there's no problem with them wanting to sell software to you, just the problem that you can't look at the source code because their license to use code protected by law (even though CDMA is a bad law) forbids the publishing of that source. Perhaps, the source code will be opened after a few good court cases...
I hope this actually works... I have heard runors about CD mp3 players for years. I would find this very useful, as I have more mp3 cds than actual cds...
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They also ignore IBM which is not to be ignored. Lets give props where props are due.
They didn't ignore IBM in the article, though.
Meynier pointed to IBM as an example of a successful business model that leverages open source and said that the "value-added embedded work" by Red Hat is another extremely potent business model.
Of course, this is not Miller, the Microsoft guy spreading the FUD, but a pro-open-source guy, so I'm not sure what MS thinks about the work IBM and Red Hat are doing.
Also, that link about the BIND problem calling it a linux problem only has me wondering about the credibility of this article... Sure, linux runs BIND, but don't a few other OSs run it, too?
Hell, @Home is such a large network that they probably would exceed 15 hops within their own net!
Yeah, that wouldn't suprise me at all. I was using @home in the Irvine area, and it took 22 hops just to get across the street to UC Irvine. about 18 of those were just bouncing around in the @home network... That, coupled with the frequent service outages left me very dissatisfied with their service...
And I don't even want to hear the anti-microsoft stuff ("...I don't even trust them to count right..."). I am sure that as mature adults, they'd do their duty to make as sucessful a package as possible for this. And I would hope that, as mature adults, our community would embrace a good design.
Well, that sounds nice and everything, but if I were voting via computer, either in a booth or online, I would want to feel safe that the process is secure. I dont want some 31337 hax0r stealing my vote, crashing the server, or adding, say, a few hundred (or even a few million) votes to someone like Pat Buchanan...
It's a little scary if you ask me... I won't want to be told to just believe Microsoft's solution is secure and trustworthy just because they say so. I want to KNOW that it is secure.
Well, on the next few pages of the transmission, the explanations of +, -, and power notation are given. It would be difficult to comprehend that line without the rest of the message, definitely. Matt
I think that would be the immortality rate... ;-)
i'm also very interested to see what happens with the 3dfx brand name. could nvidia keep marketing separate products under the 3dfx brand name? if so, what would be the differences between the products sold as 3dfx and those sold as nvidia. interesting indeed.
The 3Dfx name still provokes images of fast, quality video card for quake (or other 3D games), even though their latest cards may have sucked in comparison to NVidia's or ATI's.
From the NVidia Q&A:
9. What is NVIDIA's intention for the 3dfx and Voodoo brands?
We believe that the 3dfx and Voodoo brands are well known and respected throughout the industry. We have not finalized our plans for these brands at this time.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure ATI and Matrox are the only other (big) ones out there, unless I'm missing something. I think NVidia will dominate the gaming market now, with the help of 3Dfx. ATI has the Radeon, but that probably won't hold a candle to what NVidia and 3Dfx will put out. Matrox doesn't seem to cater to gamers, mainly professionals. This seems crazy! I'm shocked to see this happen. What will be next?
(add a couple more pennies to the stack)
OK - maybe I should check the links, as well. I apologize if I offended you. I agree with your view on patents, and not his. Sometimes really cool things need to be attributed to the inventor with the protections patents provide. How else can inventors make money if unscrupulous individuals/corporations can freely copy innovative inventions and call them their own? Working all the time on more mundane things instead of making cool things to provide a living probably stifles creativity, or at leasts provides less time for it. The PTO doesn't need to be removed, just fixed. Maybe if they had some more money to hire intelligent people to filter out the bad patents (even though the patent filer is supposed to look for prior art themselves when applying for the patent).
Ok, enough rambling...
Daniel was kind enough to say:
Everybody knows what my position is on software patents, right?
Nowhere does he say he hates all patents. He subtly conveys the message that he disapproves of software patents. Don't get too nitpicky without understanding what he said.
Yeah - Liberty Line was my first, and I checked out Stars and Stripes once, I think. About a year after that, I moved away, and haven't kept in touch with anyone from that area, though...
Aaah - I remember Major BBSes. One of these was the first one I was on back in the day in Cincinnati. It had six lines, and one was usually used up by me... Of course, my parents didn't like the strange noises coming from the phone when they tried to call people... and then they made me go and drop carrier... +++ ATH0
I don't think you have a clue as to what you are talking about. Nice made up numbers, though. You could fool someone that hasn't taken any electronics courses before, but not anyone intelligent. Oh wait, nevermind - this is pointless...
I think that area is hooked up for wireless ethernet because Qualcomm was testing that technology out a few years ago. If they sold their infrastructure to an ISP like Sprint, that's pretty cool... IMHO, wireless is much cooler (although probably not as fast) than silly copper wires. It's easier to hook up your apartment/home/car without wires...
I go to one of the UC schools (check my email address to see which one), and I can affirm that this is definitely the case in many lectures. Some professors (at least one that I had) have such well structured lecture notes that they could practically be published in a book. These lectures are the professors' intellectual property, whether they are at that level or not. Many a professor has been very ticked off to discover that people have been auditing the class just to sell lecture notes, which are very close approximations of the professors' personal creations.
I believe they switched to BSD after they had been playing around with it as an experimental machine. They saw how stable it was (and cheap!) and switched over.
Anonymity, on the other hand, means being able to get away with stealing, or hacking, or disseminating illegal material on the Internet - and presuming the right that nobody should know who you are.
...
One of the major attractions of the internet to some people is the prospect of anonymity - creating an online persona to experiment and discuss what you wouldn't normally in a public, non-anonymous forum. The whole idea of not knowing exactly who you're talking to is both a blessing and a curse (is that really a dog on the other end?), and it's what helps many people who are normally pretty introverted actually express themselves. Anonymity does not propagate stealing, it permits privacy and expression.
Here, we have already seen some major successes:
Another recent victory confirming the application of copyright law to cyberspace involved the unlawful dissemination of DVD anti-copy codes.
Since when was this case a victory??? It hasn't even come to trial yet!
In the appropriation of intellectual property, myMP3.com, Napster, and Gnutella (which has stolen from the breakfasts of 100 million European children even its name) are, in my opinion, the ringleaders, the exemplars of theft, of piracy, of the illegal and willful appropriation of someone else's property.
ok... so an open source program is a ringleader of piracy? This guy's logic is amazing!
Those whose intellectual property is simply appropriated on the Internet or anywhere else, are forced to labor without choice or recompense, for the benefit of whoever might wish to take a piece of their hide.
If this is a principle of the New World, it is suspiciously like the Old World principle called slavery.
So... trading mp3s is equated with slavery!!!
Let this be our notice then to all those who hold fairness in contempt, who devalue and demean the labor and genius of others, that because we have considered our actions well and because we are followers without reticence of a clear and just principle, we will not retreat.
For in the end, this is not only a fight about the protection of music or movies, software code or video games. Nor is it a fight about technology's promise or its limitations. This is, at its core, quite simply about right and wrong.
Thank you for letting me speak from the heart.
And what a cold, misguided heart that is... This is not simply right and wrong. It is about freedom, and he is saying freedom is bad. This guy needs to be educated. I'm disgusted.
Closed Source does NOT mean worse software. These people are paying for the rights to a produce a DVD player, the very least they should be able to do is recoup that cost.
Am I missing something? I thought free software and open source were different. In that case, there's no problem with them wanting to sell software to you, just the problem that you can't look at the source code because their license to use code protected by law (even though CDMA is a bad law) forbids the publishing of that source. Perhaps, the source code will be opened after a few good court cases...
I hope this actually works... I have heard runors about CD mp3 players for years. I would find this very useful, as I have more mp3 cds than actual cds...