I've installed win95 upwards of 100 times (my work plus more than once a year on a couple of home machines) and while they have a "disaster recovery" option it does very little, it recopies all the files... the times that I've installed 98 (4-5) I didn't notice anything different, and just as before a reinstall will overwrite stuff
the few (3) linux installs that I've done have been slightly better... but few files are overwritten, amd they make (!!) backups (!!) and either by default use the old one (ex: configuration files for packages not updated) or the new one (ex: configs for updated packages)
now I'm not terribly fammiliar with a crashing Linux install (uhh, never), but I distincly remember several times (10+) that a win95 install puked on me, not to mention the horrors of installing office2K
In an article I recently wrote for the WSUAssociation of Pagan Students' Mabon newsletter, I used you as an example of a Pagan individual who is technically competant (statistically 17 to 22% of the NeoPagan community in 1985 -- Adler - DDTM 2nd Ed.), and liken you in that reguard to VRML inventor Mark Pesce.
What is your conception of a "TechnoPagan" and do you consider this a viable and/or developing NeoPagan tradition?
Hmmm, what about the bennefits of being OS bilingual... at dice.com you get a lot of joblistings in the upwards ends of $60-$80k when searching for "port"/"porting"
Sounds like a good plan for me... I know a bit of Win32 API, learn X's API, and MacOS's too...
Interviewer: "Say I wanted a new application for our clientell that will..." Me: "Sure thing, which OS do you want it for?" Interviewer: "Ah, I don't care. We're going to pay some culsultants big bucks to port it for us." Me: "Well, I could do it myself if you want. I've written... for Mac... for Win32... for Linux" Interviewer: "!!!"
...and it's scary. Quite a few students were allready aware of M$'s buyouts of various departments:
Student Computing Services and the Business departments get to offer MSCE for a grand total of about $3000 (wait! that's an $8000 discount compared to other places! gee i wonder how much they're actually getting charged?)
The college of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science is rumored to get anything they want from M$, but I really don't know much about that.
Several other departments spurradically get software gifts from M$. Two years ago a department got over 50 license packs of both Windows 95 and Office 97. This year they're getting around 20 copies of Office 2K and 5 for NT Server.
There are a couple of effects of this upgrade.
O2K = hardware upgrade. I personally think it's insane to install it on anything with less than 64MB & W98 and difficult to install on something with less than 128MB. Furthermore O2K nixes full backwards compatability with Schedule+, which quite a few people in one department use. The only way to share scedules then is to get a funky M$ "postoffice" mail server ($$). Fortunately there was a way to reinstall Schedule+.
So the department suddenly has $10,000 of justifyable need for upgrades because they're trying to install O2K on 20 P100's with 32MB and need a new M$ postoffice to share schedules.
For me to endorse this is suicidal. My payroll budget is stripped and helping them utalize these wonderful new gifts from M$ would put me out of work, unless they can get more funding from the University when enrollment is going down.
I wonder how long untill some SCS person complains about how slow Netware is making all the machines (and it does with Win95/98)... and M$ steps up, provides the software. Then suddently SCS spends a bit on hardware and M$ certification courses are required for your job growth in a career that will rarely break $15/hour & never pay overtime (state law that no student can work more than 40/week - i think).
...of course Gateway is pleased as peaches. They've just about got exclusivity for new system purchasing.
It really hurts to be "#1 most wired public school"... now WSU's gotta live up to it.
Fortunatly Linux provides a wonderful alternative to M$'s domination plan. This year almost every system that I've seen in EECS that was running some proprietary UNIX has moved to Linux (Redhat, none the less Linux). CS students are starting out on Linux, and Junior/Senior level students learn assembly by programming for the Unix system. This year the LUG at WSU has a regular gang of 15 to 20 and growing. All calculus students are forced to do "Mathematica" labs, on RH 5.2 boxes. Linux was covered once in the campus paper, and I'm hearing rumors about a few grad students working on cluster computing (Beowulf?!) for analyzing scientific data. Finally Unix System administrating has been taught 2 semesters straight and is getting a lot of attention from MIS majors.
"...who knows what it might cost to get us to truly flawless MetaMetaMetaMetaMetaModeration?;-)"
... and a Transmeta to run it on. "Comment Morphing" anyone?
Hmm, all this talk about money makes me wonder if high-karma posters should sell Adspace in their signatures?;-> Wonder what andover would say about that!?!
PC's have 16 irq's: 0-15 of them about 6 are free on the modern pc (maybe one or two more)
So I was repairing some grad student's generic pc, installed the ethernet card and his sound stopped working.
Started by disabling LPT1 saving the needed irq, but PnP wouldn't rearrange the IRQ's properly. I finally noticed an option deep in the bios to disable the AGP IRQ, so no APG graphics for that grad student.
... er, why are "separate volumes" an advantage? So programs can break when you change your HD configuration?:)
Yes, I'm quite sure that AC just LOVES to Find->Advanced->All Files Containing "D:\path\to\stupid\program.exe" when (s)he moves programs between drives in Windoze. Oh, don't forget the registry... 30 minutes of work that linux just about eliminates (esp w/ Soft Raid)
Where does that leave the rest of the world? What do you think: that they don't have any graduate schools? Why not suggest some fscking non-american graduate school instead of bitching and whining?
Read the original article...
Now perhaps it just happens that most of the posters here are American, ergo all the suggestions for US schools.
Ethernet in every dorm and 3 appartment complexes with 10Mbps ethernet. Well now, the university and two of those have to go through some state burocracy (called K20net) that's supposed to make internet to schools better but actually makes things pretty freaking slow. WSU also has/is getting Internet2 but that's only departmental access.
So looks like the one appartment complex I'm in is has the best net access in Pullman... oh did I mention the rent didn't increase one bit as a result? Too bad the service is horrible. (someone want to help me set up a news box? they won't do it, but have the newsfeed)
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Better yet use downtime and figure it in percentages rather than time since last reboot. It'll keep you honest and not desperately grasping for 100, 1000 or 10000 days;-> uptime.
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Don't forget about today's booming computer service industry...
these people will still need ways to make a living when brain-dead linux distributions are the rage (if they ever are)
Technically inept users...
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So how different is that considering today's technically inept users?
Windows is hard enough to use (or the users ignorant enough) that I earn enough to pay my tuition working 15 hours a week doing lame windows installs.
Immagine the standard Windows 95 install. Anyone who can figure that out might as well be able to take 5 minutes to read a little bit of help documentation that tells them how to compile (or what buttons to push to have their distribution do it for them).
Got another desparate point to make?
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You seem to have misunderstood the point made earlier that the decision to drop/dev/cua* from 2.2 was made on grounds of taste not of technical necessity.
I have seen very little evidence to support this point. Likewise compare this to the deprecation to the "dbmopen" function in Perl5. Indeed dmbopen still works, while deprecated, but "tie" is now the preferred method. In fact, tie does nothing more than make a call to dbmopen! Does that mean that it was for someone's sense of taste and not their intention to develop a new standard? No...
AFAIK a new tie is being developed that will probably be much better than dbmopen ever could be. Likewise, while you can fudge a compatability with/dev/cua* I think it's likely that latter kernels will have a better method of accessing the serial ports and the old/dev/cua methods will crash and burn; better to force package maintaners to recode to the new standard before the old one is permanently removed than force a quick and viscious change right?
So why retain such a feature indeffinately? Bloat the kernel a bit? No problem... What was that anecdote about windows? (a 32-bit patch to a 16-bit...)...or would you rather see development time spent on archaic interfaces rather than new features?
...and if you still want to whine about how these viscious dictators are making rediculous changes to your perfect linux you'd better put your ego in check until you can churn out a kernel feature or patch yourself. (ehem, I'm not complaining) So when ~1% of the users scream "You killed our feature!" and whine about how stupid/unfair it is they get quoted the Linux phillosophy.
"Do It Yourself"
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If you had a clue you'd understand that "It's been deprecated" is a call for change.
Think of the ISA bus: old, clunky, almost useless! The much vaunted PC98 standard (HA!) let everyone know that the ISA bus was being deprecated (or for you laymen "phazed out"). As a result devices that were a mainstay of the ISA bus were more rapidly redesigned and manufactured for the PCI bus (modems, soundcards). Modern motherboards overall have only 2 ISA slots, some less. If you have some old MIDI equipment and and old ISA soundcard then you'll just have to stick with an older motherboard. DUH! Progress has a price in compatability; you can only be backwards compatable for so long and then you have to cut off the straglers.
Don't whine about "egos in motion". If you actually cared about using, for instance, some extremely old modem software and SMP simultaneosly you should either fix the packages yourself or write an e-mail to the maintainer pointing out the fact that he should have fixed this allready if it was deprecated in 2.0.x...
Those old stereotypes no longer apply: this generations computer industry workers are not the forlorn lonely social zeroes of yesteryear, and I would think that more of us would be bitter about the use of such depricated ideas.
Furthermore, why not geek love geek instead of geek love brain-dead waif or geek love brain-dead jock? Once again the type of mate you seem to idealize only exposes the shallowness of your person.
What exactly do you look for in a mate? Let me guess: submissiveness, avalability, sexuallity, appearance/attractiveness. Since that appears to be the limit of your desires save yourself a lot of time and go to your local street corner and look for a whore. I'm sure she'll be glad to be a live-in for a good share of your income, she might even give you exclusivity.
If this is the extent of the respect that you have for women then I ernestly hope that you don't breed; that sort of sexist attitude shouldn't be taught to children.
Let's play madlibs: So, guys, if being a lonely bachelor until you die at seventy-five appeals to you, by all means start writing code.
Sound rediculous? Of course it does! Take a minute to open up your mind and think how that might sound rediculous to a woman... The fact that you didn't do that makes me wonder what kind of a problem-solver/programmer you are...
Doesn't that point to the kind of a husband you would make? (Hint: yes - poor at best)
That's exactly my point and the post you were responding to was either not ad homonym or your complaint of ad homonym against the AC was off topic (and therefore feeding a troll).
Your post can reflect a value judgement on the point; you named an informal fallacy in an attempt to refute that point. By presuming that such a method of management is "good enough for our/my purposes" either you must either feel that a malliable attitude is wasted on your workforce (which is still poor management) or that you do know enough about the topic to judge the AC's criticism of Torvalds' email.
My point about the "Mr. Authority" comment was that since you're so concerned with logical form that you'll identify an ad homonym why didn't you identify this other Informal Fallacy? It was the entire point of the AC's post!
I believe the rest is self explanatory.
... and maybe the ISDN ppl were ignorant of the deadline. It would suck to expect 6 months to finish a project and all of a sudden get a memo from your pointy-haired boss to get your ass in gear for a code/feature freeze next week. So someone picked a date, and noone can push it back now can they? Yes there were rumors of a fall release. Does that make the probably unexpected feature freeze any more devistating to an unready development team? Off to patchland the ISDN users go!
Not that Linux development should ever suffer from the curse of middle management, but it helps to keep the general on his toes.
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"I think" is a bit of an understatment...
I've installed win95 upwards of 100 times (my work plus more than once a year on a couple of home machines) and while they have a "disaster recovery" option it does very little, it recopies all the files... the times that I've installed 98 (4-5) I didn't notice anything different, and just as before a reinstall will overwrite stuff
the few (3) linux installs that I've done have been slightly better... but few files are overwritten, amd they make (!!) backups (!!) and either by default use the old one (ex: configuration files for packages not updated) or the new one (ex: configs for updated packages)
now I'm not terribly fammiliar with a crashing Linux install (uhh, never), but I distincly remember several times (10+) that a win95 install puked on me, not to mention the horrors of installing office2K
Note: the APS Mabon newsletter is not yet online (you'll see the Beltane one from that link)...
It should be up sometime this week (thursday?)
In an article I recently wrote for the WSU Association of Pagan Students' Mabon newsletter, I used you as an example of a Pagan individual who is technically competant (statistically 17 to 22% of the NeoPagan community in 1985 -- Adler - DDTM 2nd Ed.), and liken you in that reguard to VRML inventor Mark Pesce.
What is your conception of a "TechnoPagan" and do you consider this a viable and/or developing NeoPagan tradition?
LOL
sort of like the marketing department telling the engineering department that their product is technically inferior...
I wonder how this guy gets off calling Torvlads a "pompus ass"???
Hmmm, what about the bennefits of being OS bilingual... at dice.com you get a lot of joblistings in the upwards ends of $60-$80k when searching for "port"/"porting"
Sounds like a good plan for me... I know a bit of Win32 API, learn X's API, and MacOS's too...
Interviewer: "Say I wanted a new application for our clientell that will..."
Me: "Sure thing, which OS do you want it for?"
Interviewer: "Ah, I don't care. We're going to pay some culsultants big bucks to port it for us."
Me: "Well, I could do it myself if you want. I've written... for Mac... for Win32... for Linux"
Interviewer: "!!!"
...and it's scary. Quite a few students were allready aware of M$'s buyouts of various departments:
Student Computing Services and the Business departments get to offer MSCE for a grand total of about $3000 (wait! that's an $8000 discount compared to other places! gee i wonder how much they're actually getting charged?)
The college of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science is rumored to get anything they want from M$, but I really don't know much about that.
Several other departments spurradically get software gifts from M$. Two years ago a department got over 50 license packs of both Windows 95 and Office 97. This year they're getting around 20 copies of Office 2K and 5 for NT Server.
There are a couple of effects of this upgrade.
O2K = hardware upgrade. I personally think it's insane to install it on anything with less than 64MB & W98 and difficult to install on something with less than 128MB. Furthermore O2K nixes full backwards compatability with Schedule+, which quite a few people in one department use. The only way to share scedules then is to get a funky M$ "postoffice" mail server ($$). Fortunately there was a way to reinstall Schedule+.
So the department suddenly has $10,000 of justifyable need for upgrades because they're trying to install O2K on 20 P100's with 32MB and need a new M$ postoffice to share schedules.
For me to endorse this is suicidal. My payroll budget is stripped and helping them utalize these wonderful new gifts from M$ would put me out of work, unless they can get more funding from the University when enrollment is going down.
I wonder how long untill some SCS person complains about how slow Netware is making all the machines (and it does with Win95/98)... and M$ steps up, provides the software. Then suddently SCS spends a bit on hardware and M$ certification courses are required for your job growth in a career that will rarely break $15/hour & never pay overtime (state law that no student can work more than 40/week - i think).
...of course Gateway is pleased as peaches. They've just about got exclusivity for new system purchasing.
It really hurts to be "#1 most wired public school"... now WSU's gotta live up to it.
Fortunatly Linux provides a wonderful alternative to M$'s domination plan. This year almost every system that I've seen in EECS that was running some proprietary UNIX has moved to Linux (Redhat, none the less Linux). CS students are starting out on Linux, and Junior/Senior level students learn assembly by programming for the Unix system. This year the LUG at WSU has a regular gang of 15 to 20 and growing. All calculus students are forced to do "Mathematica" labs, on RH 5.2 boxes. Linux was covered once in the campus paper, and I'm hearing rumors about a few grad students working on cluster computing (Beowulf?!) for analyzing scientific data. Finally Unix System administrating has been taught 2 semesters straight and is getting a lot of attention from MIS majors.
crazy place to go to school, that's for sure...
... and a Transmeta to run it on. "Comment Morphing" anyone?
Hmm, all this talk about money makes me wonder if high-karma posters should sell Adspace in their signatures?
From friday:
PC's have 16 irq's: 0-15
of them about 6 are free on the modern pc (maybe one or two more)
So I was repairing some grad student's generic pc, installed the ethernet card and his sound stopped working.
Started by disabling LPT1 saving the needed irq, but PnP wouldn't rearrange the IRQ's properly. I finally noticed an option deep in the bios to disable the AGP IRQ, so no APG graphics for that grad student.
Sucky huh?
... er, why are "separate volumes" an advantage? So programs can break when you change your HD configuration? :)
Yes, I'm quite sure that AC just LOVES to Find->Advanced->All Files Containing "D:\path\to\stupid\program.exe" when (s)he moves programs between drives in Windoze. Oh, don't forget the registry... 30 minutes of work that linux just about eliminates (esp w/ Soft Raid)
no way... I know a few math graduate TA's that don't know how to code at all...
Where does that leave the rest of the world? What do you think: that they don't have any graduate schools? Why not suggest some fscking non-american graduate school instead of bitching and whining?
Read the original article...
Now perhaps it just happens that most of the posters here are American, ergo all the suggestions for US schools.
UT? University of Tennessee? ;-> LOL
Do you really want to be a US citizen when the next draft comes allong? ;->
Ethernet in every dorm and 3 appartment complexes with 10Mbps ethernet. Well now, the university and two of those have to go through some state burocracy (called K20net) that's supposed to make internet to schools better but actually makes things pretty freaking slow. WSU also has/is getting Internet2 but that's only departmental access.
So looks like the one appartment complex I'm in is has the best net access in Pullman... oh did I mention the rent didn't increase one bit as a result? Too bad the service is horrible. (someone want to help me set up a news box? they won't do it, but have the newsfeed)
Hmmm, I wonder what else comes from Canada?
Better yet use downtime and figure it in percentages rather than time since last reboot. It'll keep you honest and not desperately grasping for 100, 1000 or 10000 days ;-> uptime.
Don't forget about today's booming computer service industry...
these people will still need ways to make a living when brain-dead linux distributions are the rage (if they ever are)
So how different is that considering today's technically inept users?
Windows is hard enough to use (or the users ignorant enough) that I earn enough to pay my tuition working 15 hours a week doing lame windows installs.
Immagine the standard Windows 95 install. Anyone who can figure that out might as well be able to take 5 minutes to read a little bit of help documentation that tells them how to compile (or what buttons to push to have their distribution do it for them).
Got another desparate point to make?
I have seen very little evidence to support this point. Likewise compare this to the deprecation to the "dbmopen" function in Perl5. Indeed dmbopen still works, while deprecated, but "tie" is now the preferred method. In fact, tie does nothing more than make a call to dbmopen! Does that mean that it was for someone's sense of taste and not their intention to develop a new standard? No...
AFAIK a new tie is being developed that will probably be much better than dbmopen ever could be. Likewise, while you can fudge a compatability with
So why retain such a feature indeffinately? Bloat the kernel a bit? No problem... What was that anecdote about windows? (a 32-bit patch to a 16-bit
...and if you still want to whine about how these viscious dictators are making rediculous changes to your perfect linux you'd better put your ego in check until you can churn out a kernel feature or patch yourself. (ehem, I'm not complaining) So when ~1% of the users scream "You killed our feature!" and whine about how stupid/unfair it is they get quoted the Linux phillosophy.
If you had a clue you'd understand that "It's been deprecated" is a call for change.
Think of the ISA bus: old, clunky, almost useless! The much vaunted PC98 standard (HA!) let everyone know that the ISA bus was being deprecated (or for you laymen "phazed out"). As a result devices that were a mainstay of the ISA bus were more rapidly redesigned and manufactured for the PCI bus (modems, soundcards). Modern motherboards overall have only 2 ISA slots, some less. If you have some old MIDI equipment and and old ISA soundcard then you'll just have to stick with an older motherboard. DUH! Progress has a price in compatability; you can only be backwards compatable for so long and then you have to cut off the straglers.
Don't whine about "egos in motion". If you actually cared about using, for instance, some extremely old modem software and SMP simultaneosly you should either fix the packages yourself or write an e-mail to the maintainer pointing out the fact that he should have fixed this allready if it was deprecated in 2.0.x...
So we see where old school meets new school.
Those old stereotypes no longer apply: this generations computer industry workers are not the forlorn lonely social zeroes of yesteryear, and I would think that more of us would be bitter about the use of such depricated ideas.
Furthermore, why not geek love geek instead of geek love brain-dead waif or geek love brain-dead jock? Once again the type of mate you seem to idealize only exposes the shallowness of your person.
Ok, allow me to bitchslap you...
What exactly do you look for in a mate? Let me guess: submissiveness, avalability, sexuallity, appearance/attractiveness. Since that appears to be the limit of your desires save yourself a lot of time and go to your local street corner and look for a whore. I'm sure she'll be glad to be a live-in for a good share of your income, she might even give you exclusivity.
If this is the extent of the respect that you have for women then I ernestly hope that you don't breed; that sort of sexist attitude shouldn't be taught to children.
Let's play madlibs:
So, guys, if being a lonely bachelor until you die at seventy-five appeals to you, by all means start writing code.
Sound rediculous? Of course it does! Take a minute to open up your mind and think how that might sound rediculous to a woman... The fact that you didn't do that makes me wonder what kind of a problem-solver/programmer you are...
Doesn't that point to the kind of a husband you would make? (Hint: yes - poor at best)
ah, you're right... what crack was I smoking last night?
That's exactly my point and the post you were responding to was either not ad homonym or your complaint of ad homonym against the AC was off topic (and therefore feeding a troll).
Your post can reflect a value judgement on the point; you named an informal fallacy in an attempt to refute that point. By presuming that such a method of management is "good enough for our/my purposes" either you must either feel that a malliable attitude is wasted on your workforce (which is still poor management) or that you do know enough about the topic to judge the AC's criticism of Torvalds' email.
My point about the "Mr. Authority" comment was that since you're so concerned with logical form that you'll identify an ad homonym why didn't you identify this other Informal Fallacy? It was the entire point of the AC's post!
I believe the rest is self explanatory.
... and maybe the ISDN ppl were ignorant of the deadline. It would suck to expect 6 months to finish a project and all of a sudden get a memo from your pointy-haired boss to get your ass in gear for a code/feature freeze next week. So someone picked a date, and noone can push it back now can they? Yes there were rumors of a fall release. Does that make the probably unexpected feature freeze any more devistating to an unready development team? Off to patchland the ISDN users go!
Not that Linux development should ever suffer from the curse of middle management, but it helps to keep the general on his toes.
so...
QUESTION AUTHORITY
Metallica: Livin' on the Edge
Wierd Al: Livin' in the Fridge
turned this into an honors english poetry analysis... loads of interesting parodies on many levels