add them to the luggage - on the current state of the market only Java is not going to get you a job.
write a toy j2ee app with all the mvc buz in it - keep on the standards so that you learn the core - jsp, servlets, jdbc,
leave the candies like spring/hibernate/struts/wicket for the icing at the end of handling the core like a pro.
hihihi - this is not stupidity; it is call subversive influence; if this would have been the reality nobody would have had trumpeted it over the seas and lands so that anybody interested hears it.
Its real purpose is to seed the ground for implementing the mega-system who's going to control all the internet - the baby SkyNet has been conceived.
Who the f*!% in their 40s - as programmers, don't have at least 3 years of experience in *something* ?! If you are in the 40s and you have less than this *3* in any of the skills you declare that means you did a career conversion at the wrongest moment in your life. Id someone advised you/career coached to do it because of the $cash and you bought it, then go and buy a Colt and ask the as*80le for your money back.
This is the norm here; the typical requirement for a developer is to be as much as required horizontally skilled - this meaning even if you are hired as a j2ee developer you will have do to database programming normally you would expect to be done by a dba or etl guy, plus
browser java script you would expect to be done by a browser guru. Also, you must expect everything to come onto your plate and you have to take it - can be even tasks you never dreamed you will have to do like windows drivers, linux api etc. - you must take it and shut up otherwise you go out. This is expected and of course, if you are not anymore a fresh one at the beginning of the career and you are already at the point where other commitments have their pressure on you - you are done. As experienced programmer your experience counts only in very vertical niches
where there is no coverage or you have the connections to enter and not get smashed with assignments nobody ever mentioned you would have to expect for that position. I talked to friends in US and UK and it looks things are a little bit lighter there - of course, age is a discriminating factor,
but an expected unlimited horizontal skills base required in the job chores is something they haven't encountered. The simple explanation is that, for the companies to achieve their maximized goals the single way they can do it is by abusing their developers - so, the current economical backslash is open season for them to introduce into their sweatshop lines only the slaves which can make it; exactly as on plantations or galley - you need only fully dependable, *enslavable* resources.
... this is the norm here in the last 7/8 years or so. doin' it differently - unit test, good design & practices, honesty, long term planning etc. - are the best strategies to get you bumped out of the project.
here we are... we preached it and now we see it; did we did something to prevent it? no. in toronto there is no job to be found without the requirements of being performed
as for at least 3 persons. the norm for a java enterprise developer is to perform everything from sql query programming till javascript browser for at least 12 hours per day - heard of
16h too couple of times - often weekends. often, doing.net/c#/c++ is also on the same plate as *it is also programming pal... are you too stupid for the industry?!*. there is no
place anymore for ppl with personal and family commitments , you must submit and live owned. if you don't have the right connections so that you don't get enslaved only being a
slave master aka at least *team leader* allows you to not live the misery each day...
Yeah, bovine/porcine/avian face and attitude of the happines...
we see it all over the megapolis around the world during the rush hours in the morning and afternoon...
Agree 100%. Unfortunately, this symptom was quite common before Agile but has grown as the sustainable norm and got industry *de facto* acceptance following the practice of the so called *SCRUM but*.
Also, I agree with the factors related with the business context - it is a dog-eat-dog, jungle surviving game where only the immediate benefit counts as long term expectancy doesn't exist. As crazy as it sounds
TDD is seen - as far as in my experience - as a burden, an unacceptable cost adding component. As long as the bottom line can be achieved by abusing your developers to work inhumane hours
everything goes as planned and expected. So, going back to our starting point - I don't think DHH is self-centered:-) -but the way we see our practices evolve is the result of the industry customs.
Agree; however, the complexity and the magnitude of the code and logic inter-dependency of the snippet you posted is not relevant at all for the sake of this topic.
Post a snippet of some hundreds of lines where multiple logic flow paths have to be managed and split between various modules and then we have a starting point for the smacking:-).
The code as posted lives only in samples, the one I mentioned is the real deal you face every moment of doing real, business programming.
100% I agree; however, this is the cultural part of programming; I live in the Toronto area and in more than 6 years I haven't seen even one project where the principle of HOW vs WHY has been practiced. It has become the norm in the profession here
to write non-commented code - besides poorly designing it; being self-centered and short-sighted under the criteria of the *short cuts* is the standard you are expected to submit 100% otherwise you'll be punished by the team who wrote it in the first place or the manager who desired it that way. So, from this perspective I think Rails style and habits represents more of a culture becoming dominant these days in the programming field than something Ruby/Rails specific.
Yep, and the declared cause will be too much reading/education:-). The *Zcientizts* will support their theory trough self example.
The *Corporate* wants you think only about your dick... this will send the blood down instead of keeping it in the head...
Did anybody expected something else? In a society where the standard child is desired, pushed trough the system to develop an ultra-selfish, short-minded personality so that for his whole existence will be enslaved for the benefit of the holy *Corporate* trough his insatiable, primitive void - this is the desired future citizen not the type which has the courage to think and stand up. Holy crap brainwashed nation what future I foresee for you...
Of course - did anybody expected something else? In a society where the standard child is desired, pushed trough the system to develop an ultra-selfish, short-minded personality so
that for his whole existence will be enslaved for the benefit of the holy *Corporate* trough his insatiable, primitive void - this is the desired future citizen not the type which has
the courage to think and stand up. Holy crap brainwashed nation what future I foresee for you...
LOL, you said exactly what I wanted in an answer - myself I'm a 2000 decade immigrant:-). But this still doesn't change the context - you missed the point, I haven't put any blame I just pointed to the reality of a ultra-accelerated cultural switch from a European based ground to a South/Eastern Asian one because of the hyper-immigration.
Well, this is the throwing the cat game - the reality is that because of the inflated immigration from the South and East Asia which accounts in Toronto already for more than 50% of its inhabitants hearing and expecting good English is not realistic anymore.
The traditional Canadian culture has sunk under a Bollywood mist - and, its going to get to the level where the standard spoken English will be in fact the South-Asian dialect/variant.
Just as simple as that
http://www.toronto.ca/immigration/message_imm.htm
Just don't ever think about getting a programming job in the Toronto area - I haven't heard a single positive story from tens of ppl, only nightmares; the practice is to overwork you till you spit blood if you are not one of the intimates of the boss/management.
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add them to the luggage - on the current state of the market only Java is not going to get you a job. write a toy j2ee app with all the mvc buz in it - keep on the standards so that you learn the core - jsp, servlets, jdbc, leave the candies like spring/hibernate/struts/wicket for the icing at the end of handling the core like a pro.
hihihi - this is not stupidity; it is call subversive influence; if this would have been the reality nobody would have had trumpeted it over the seas and lands so that anybody interested hears it. Its real purpose is to seed the ground for implementing the mega-system who's going to control all the internet - the baby SkyNet has been conceived.
Who the f*!% in their 40s - as programmers, don't have at least 3 years of experience in *something* ?! If you are in the 40s and you have less than this *3* in any of the skills you declare that means you did a career conversion at the wrongest moment in your life. Id someone advised you/career coached to do it because of the $cash and you bought it, then go and buy a Colt and ask the as*80le for your money back.
This is the norm here; the typical requirement for a developer is to be as much as required horizontally skilled - this meaning even if you are hired as a j2ee developer you will have do to database programming normally you would expect to be done by a dba or etl guy, plus browser java script you would expect to be done by a browser guru. Also, you must expect everything to come onto your plate and you have to take it - can be even tasks you never dreamed you will have to do like windows drivers, linux api etc. - you must take it and shut up otherwise you go out. This is expected and of course, if you are not anymore a fresh one at the beginning of the career and you are already at the point where other commitments have their pressure on you - you are done. As experienced programmer your experience counts only in very vertical niches where there is no coverage or you have the connections to enter and not get smashed with assignments nobody ever mentioned you would have to expect for that position. I talked to friends in US and UK and it looks things are a little bit lighter there - of course, age is a discriminating factor, but an expected unlimited horizontal skills base required in the job chores is something they haven't encountered. The simple explanation is that, for the companies to achieve their maximized goals the single way they can do it is by abusing their developers - so, the current economical backslash is open season for them to introduce into their sweatshop lines only the slaves which can make it; exactly as on plantations or galley - you need only fully dependable, *enslavable* resources.
... this is the norm here in the last 7/8 years or so. doin' it differently - unit test, good design & practices, honesty, long term planning etc. - are the best strategies to get you bumped out of the project.
here we are ... we preached it and now we see it; did we did something to prevent it? no. in toronto there is no job to be found without the requirements of being performed
as for at least 3 persons. the norm for a java enterprise developer is to perform everything from sql query programming till javascript browser for at least 12 hours per day - heard of
16h too couple of times - often weekends. often, doing .net/c#/c++ is also on the same plate as *it is also programming pal ... are you too stupid for the industry?!*. there is no
place anymore for ppl with personal and family commitments , you must submit and live owned. if you don't have the right connections so that you don't get enslaved only being a
slave master aka at least *team leader* allows you to not live the misery each day ...
Yeah, bovine/porcine/avian face and attitude of the happines ...
we see it all over the megapolis around the world during the rush hours in the morning and afternoon ...
that's a good choice for defense :-) LOL. For a more complete arsenal - if the Colt goes cold, try this ones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAo8ITfQi0k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGuhX5AmjuA
the manhunt cavalcade is after you Forest Gump, run, run for your life :-) ...
Agree 100%. Unfortunately, this symptom was quite common before Agile but has grown as the sustainable norm and got industry *de facto* acceptance following the practice of the so called *SCRUM but*. Also, I agree with the factors related with the business context - it is a dog-eat-dog, jungle surviving game where only the immediate benefit counts as long term expectancy doesn't exist. As crazy as it sounds TDD is seen - as far as in my experience - as a burden, an unacceptable cost adding component. As long as the bottom line can be achieved by abusing your developers to work inhumane hours everything goes as planned and expected. So, going back to our starting point - I don't think DHH is self-centered :-) -but the way we see our practices evolve is the result of the industry customs.
Agree; however, the complexity and the magnitude of the code and logic inter-dependency of the snippet you posted is not relevant at all for the sake of this topic. Post a snippet of some hundreds of lines where multiple logic flow paths have to be managed and split between various modules and then we have a starting point for the smacking :-).
The code as posted lives only in samples, the one I mentioned is the real deal you face every moment of doing real, business programming.
100% I agree; however, this is the cultural part of programming; I live in the Toronto area and in more than 6 years I haven't seen even one project where the principle of HOW vs WHY has been practiced. It has become the norm in the profession here to write non-commented code - besides poorly designing it; being self-centered and short-sighted under the criteria of the *short cuts* is the standard you are expected to submit 100% otherwise you'll be punished by the team who wrote it in the first place or the manager who desired it that way. So, from this perspective I think Rails style and habits represents more of a culture becoming dominant these days in the programming field than something Ruby/Rails specific.
Yep, and the declared cause will be too much reading/education :-). The *Zcientizts* will support their theory trough self example.
The *Corporate* wants you think only about your dick ... this will send the blood down instead of keeping it in the head ...
Did anybody expected something else? In a society where the standard child is desired, pushed trough the system to develop an ultra-selfish, short-minded personality so that for his whole existence will be enslaved for the benefit of the holy *Corporate* trough his insatiable, primitive void - this is the desired future citizen not the type which has the courage to think and stand up. Holy crap brainwashed nation what future I foresee for you ...
Of course - did anybody expected something else? In a society where the standard child is desired, pushed trough the system to develop an ultra-selfish, short-minded personality so that for his whole existence will be enslaved for the benefit of the holy *Corporate* trough his insatiable, primitive void - this is the desired future citizen not the type which has the courage to think and stand up. Holy crap brainwashed nation what future I foresee for you ...
LOL, you said exactly what I wanted in an answer - myself I'm a 2000 decade immigrant :-). But this still doesn't change the context - you missed the point, I haven't put any blame I just pointed to the reality of a ultra-accelerated cultural switch from a European based ground to a South/Eastern Asian one because of the hyper-immigration.
Well, this is the throwing the cat game - the reality is that because of the inflated immigration from the South and East Asia which accounts in Toronto already for more than 50% of its inhabitants hearing and expecting good English is not realistic anymore. The traditional Canadian culture has sunk under a Bollywood mist - and, its going to get to the level where the standard spoken English will be in fact the South-Asian dialect/variant. Just as simple as that http://www.toronto.ca/immigration/message_imm.htm
Just don't ever think about getting a programming job in the Toronto area - I haven't heard a single positive story from tens of ppl, only nightmares; the practice is to overwork you till you spit blood if you are not one of the intimates of the boss/management.