And why should't I call an asshole an asshole, when they start posting at me cursing at me? Fuck you too.
I'm right. In addition to my completely justifiable "adult language", I pointed out exactly how. To which all you've got, Anonymous baby Coward, is to cry about bad language, ignoring the rest, even claiming it doesn't exist.
You're not even "arguing". You're just pulling the typical Anonymous Coward stunt of crying and denying. You need more adult supervision. I'm busy, so get lost kid, you bother me.
The comparison is perfect. The reason child labor is illegal is that it was finally rejected over corporate interests after a very long time of people accepting it. Forced into the public conscience by people who violated corporate policy (and the previous law) to literally fight to stop it. Now those people who stood up are heroes. This guy's own stand is admirable in its lesser proportions.
Your only complaint about the argument is that it's been illegal a long time. Well, it was legal for a lot longer. You're so spoiled that you take for granted all the many people who stood up in the past against corporate policies to make your life so much easier.
Your ability to think abstractly, or understand how to use history as a comparison to the present, sucks. You probably played too many videogames, instead of paying attention in school.
If the corporation let children work 20 hour days in the mill, but you stopped them on their way to work and scared them away to go to school instead, you'd be admirable.
And fired.
But you'd still be admirable. It took a lot of people fighting (often literally) for a long time to make the government take over forcing children out of factories into schools. Corporate interests conflict with human interests - and often, in the longer term, with their own corporate interests (like an educated workforce). Human interests are more important. But often conflict with the way we run our economy. That sucks.
Fuck you, asshole. One of the best things about having morals is that they don't get suspended for a buck.
Of course it would never fly with adults. Don't you realize that you've just introduced the change that makes it different? Children need adults to guide them - adults are mainly on their own, with all guidance voluntary (until they actually damage someone else).
You might have noticed that stores turn away children when they try to buy cigarettes and alcohol. This guy wasn't even withholding videogames from "children", but "children with bad grades".
It might not be consistent with corporate policy, but that does suck. Because a person's urge to protect children when their own parents won't, from something as negligible as videogames, is admirable.
You corporatists don't really understand being humane. You're begging to be replaced by machines.
I like Perl. Is there a tool that converts Python scripts to Perl, or compiles them into the opcodes that Perl's interpreter actually executes? That could let Python scripts run on lots of other machines, possibly avoiding all those architecture limitations that the Perl engine has already solved.
When Slashdotters can't handle a post that just asks if one popular language can use scripts from another popular language, then the TrollMods have won.
How come the record companies charge me for a new copy of a worn-out or upgraded recording?
I could understand the logic when I bought a physical copy. But if I own the CD, why am I paying Apple for a lossy copy of it when I download it from iTunes? At the very least, why does Apple have the privilege to limit the number of backup/relocated copies of a song I bought?
Who's taking someone's money and just doing as they would? This story is about someone refusing to take kids money unless they were passing their classes.
Yeah, it's against the corporatist attitude that you went way overboard trying to defend. But it was an admirable act. Which is why that corporatism sucks.
Isn't it cool that the people defending corporatism aren't as smart as those who can see that humans are more important than money?
What exactly is "exhaustion"? Since the people dying from it while playing games are all in China, could they mean "exhaust", like their filthy air full of industrial and car exhaust? Doesn't that make the murder weapon Chinese air pollution, which is the government's responsiblity? Is the Chinese government executing hardcore gamers who play instead of work in the glorious Communist Capitalist paradise?
Warning lights are flashing down at quality control Somebody threw a spanner and they threw him in the hole There's rumors in the loading bay and anger in the town Somebody blew the whistle and the walls came down There's a meeting in the boardroom they're trying to trace the smell There's leaking in the washroom there's a sneak in personnel Somewhere in the corridors someone was heard to sneeze 'goodness me could this be industrial disease?
The caretaker was crucified for sleeping at his post They're refusing to be pacified it's him they blame the most The watchdog's got rabies the foreman's got fleas And everyone's concerned about industrial disease There's panic on the switchboard tongues are ties in knots Some come out in sympathy some come out in spots Some blame the management some the employees And everybody knows it's the industrial disease
The work force is disgusted downs tools and walks Innocence is injured experience just talks Everyone seeks damages and everyone agrees That these are 'classic symptoms of a monetary squeeze' On itv and bbc they talk about the curse Philosophy is useless theology is worse History boils over there's an economics freeze Sociologists invent words that mean 'industrial disease'
Doctor parkinson declared 'I'm not surprised to see you here You've got smokers cough from smoking, brewer's droop from drinking beer I don't know how you came to get the betty davis knees But worst of all young man you've got industrial disease' He wrote me a prescription he said 'you are depressed But I'm glad you came to see me to get this off your chest Come back and see me later - next patient please Send in another victim of industrial disease'
I go down to speaker's corner I'm thunderstruck They got free speech, tourists, police in trucks Two men say they're jesus one of them must be wrong There's a protest singer singing a protest song - he says 'they wanna have a war to keep us on our knees They wanna have a war to keep their factories They wanna have a war to stop us buying japanese They wanna have a war to stop industrial disease They're pointing out the enemy to keep you deaf and blind They wanna sap your energy incarcerate your mind They give you rule brittania, gassy beer, page three Two weeks in espana and sunday striptease' Meanwhile the first jesus says 'I'd cure it soon Abolish monday mornings and friday afternoons' The other one's on a hunger strike he's dying by degrees How come jesus gets industrial disease
The white earbud wires signal to people (especially the cuter ones who can't think so good) that they can have sex with you before they notice that you're a geek with a "LiPod".
What I want is an iPod that can get its audio data from incoming Bluetooth. Then it could just be a "headphone adapter" (with a big cache, excellent DAC and UI) for either my PC, or my phone, or any other (Bluetooth) network device, without the other devices needing a DAC or headphone output (or to be mobile).
Ringtones derived from the song (usually by a human interpreter) aren't derivative works controlled by copyright, but a human interpreter performing the song is a derivative work?
Copyright law economics will replace all musicians with machines. Especially because all the new that music record corps are pushing on us sucks worse than a machine, usually because it was made by a clone.
And I still like Perl. If I can just suck in the Python scripts, I don't have to bother with Python, however much reason you might have to like it. I'm talking about my reasons. Talk about yours with someone else, who doesn't care that they're strawman arguments.
I want to run Python scripts in my Perl environment because, among other reasons, Python's runtime has the problems mentioned in this Slashdot story summary. And I don't want to have to install and maintain a Python runtime, or learn its peculiarities. But I do want all its functionality, including the Python scripts embedded in lots of my OS. During my transitions from Ubuntu 6.4 to 6.10 to 7.4, the Python libraries and installs got very corrupted, including some apps using different versions of Python side by side, getting entangled (not to mention the bloated redundancy). So I'd like to just have a wrapper for Perl that can handle all those Python scripts.
Python claims to "run everywhere", but I can't find an actual list. I'd be surprised if it actually runs on the extremely complete range of platforms Perl actually runs on. If Python scripts actually ran on Perl engines, then it would.
The Sun dumps 1KW:m^2 on the Earth's surface at Noon. Indoor lighting probably lands at best 5W:m^2. But it's better than nothing. A phone with 0.9Ah, 3.6V batteries (that last 72h) consumes about 0.045W while waiting to ring. That means a 1% efficient 1m^2 solar panel could keep them charged, even accumulate over 10% faster than they're draining (ie. recharge in about 7h). A 5x10mm phone is 0.005m^2, or 0.025W incoming. A 20% solar panel on it could get 0.005W, which could add 10% longer life - 7h more. Which isn't bad - better than nothing, but not nearly as good as carrying an extra battery.
In mobile devices, the energy budget for manufacturing the cell is more sensible than immobile solar, because it solves a problem of no access to recharging, for long periods (days, weeks, longer) that can't really be solved practically by bigger batteries. You don't need to carry a charger. A quadband GSM phone with a foldout 1m^2 (or larger) solar foil could be a self-contained unit (especially with Over the Air payment). That's the big leap to true wireless. The battery could eventually become just a backup for the solar, an "energy cache" that just ensures the phone works through periods at night or in your pocket.
The tech has a long way to go. Which is why we need to encourage its R&D now, with any new product that can be justified at all. Because the longest journey starts with the single first step, and getting more of them behind us brings the arrival that much closer.
That doesn't happen automagically. It takes reinvestment of profits, best from a large scaled market economy. The lack of a mass market for solar is no different from any other chicken and egg. And here Dell has found some excuse to bootstrap the process.
So all your arguments are just supporting my point. Thanks for seeing things my way.
I answered the exact question, directly. I'm not discussing why I lile Perl. I like Perl. I'd like to use some of the existing code in Python to do some things that perhaps Perl doesn't do. But without having to deal with the Python runtime environment, especially given the limitations mentioned in the story we're discussing. And while Perl's extremely wide portability of identical source code isn't "magical", it is indeed one of the reasons why I like Perl. Because I don't have to learn some new language every several years just because Perl is now pretty old.
I'm not looking for "the best VM" or anything else like that. I'm looking for a way to use Python scripts with my Perl engine. Which is exactly what I said, and exactly what I want.
If you want to argue about something else I don't care about, which is known as a "straw man" fallacy, then why don't you reply to that other obnoxious post instead of bugging me with irrelevancies?
PC tech has financed huge tech returns for non-PC products, especially in power conservation and management. I'd like to see Dell and other PC OEMs evolve into supplying solar power systems (with embedded PCs for ease of open integration and smart operation) for general use in our homes, offices and mobile.
A real winner would be mobile phones whose cases all recharge off solar (or just ambient light, even indoors). That kind of mass market could drive down the price:performance curve, open up the tech to all our powered devices. And make the "solar look" popular that even people who buy on nothing but fashion (most people) would start saving power with all these accessories.
Perl has been compiling scripts to intermediary interpreted code since the beginning. You know nothing. Just how to do the stupid thing. Shut the fuck up, asshole.
These robots will be really interesting when they can simulate in themselves the feeling of recoiling in shock and horror when a long run of successful extractions suddenly ends when they touch their instrument to patient, and that damn buzzer goes off. And it hands the tweezers to its bratty little sister for her easy win.
I like Perl. Is there a tool that converts Python scripts to Perl, or compiles them into the opcodes that Perl's interpreter actually executes? That could let Python scripts run on lots of other machines, possibly avoiding all those architecture limitations that the Perl engine has already solved.
I wonder if buying a Canadian iPod, and paying the "copyright exemption tax", even if it's shipped abroad (eg. America, UK, Azerbaijan...) would exempt the owner from liability in that country. In the US at least, paying Canadian taxes usually exempts one from paying the US equivalent (Canadian taxes are usually higher). I'd love to see a good lawyer argue the RIAA's lame lawyers out of landing liability on these American users of Canadian iPods. Not least because iPods are like the drugs Americans are already turning to Canada to get without the expense and legal restrictions. And iPods are refillable across the Net.
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And why should't I call an asshole an asshole, when they start posting at me cursing at me? Fuck you too.
I'm right. In addition to my completely justifiable "adult language", I pointed out exactly how. To which all you've got, Anonymous baby Coward, is to cry about bad language, ignoring the rest, even claiming it doesn't exist.
You're not even "arguing". You're just pulling the typical Anonymous Coward stunt of crying and denying. You need more adult supervision. I'm busy, so get lost kid, you bother me.
The comparison is perfect. The reason child labor is illegal is that it was finally rejected over corporate interests after a very long time of people accepting it. Forced into the public conscience by people who violated corporate policy (and the previous law) to literally fight to stop it. Now those people who stood up are heroes. This guy's own stand is admirable in its lesser proportions.
Your only complaint about the argument is that it's been illegal a long time. Well, it was legal for a lot longer. You're so spoiled that you take for granted all the many people who stood up in the past against corporate policies to make your life so much easier.
Your ability to think abstractly, or understand how to use history as a comparison to the present, sucks. You probably played too many videogames, instead of paying attention in school.
I do. And you don't because you never lived in Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas or elsewhere in the Deep South.
If the corporation let children work 20 hour days in the mill, but you stopped them on their way to work and scared them away to go to school instead, you'd be admirable.
And fired.
But you'd still be admirable. It took a lot of people fighting (often literally) for a long time to make the government take over forcing children out of factories into schools. Corporate interests conflict with human interests - and often, in the longer term, with their own corporate interests (like an educated workforce). Human interests are more important. But often conflict with the way we run our economy. That sucks.
Fuck you, asshole. One of the best things about having morals is that they don't get suspended for a buck.
Of course it would never fly with adults. Don't you realize that you've just introduced the change that makes it different? Children need adults to guide them - adults are mainly on their own, with all guidance voluntary (until they actually damage someone else).
You might have noticed that stores turn away children when they try to buy cigarettes and alcohol. This guy wasn't even withholding videogames from "children", but "children with bad grades".
It might not be consistent with corporate policy, but that does suck. Because a person's urge to protect children when their own parents won't, from something as negligible as videogames, is admirable.
You corporatists don't really understand being humane. You're begging to be replaced by machines.
Yeah, of course that's the same as not selling videogames to kids with bad grades.
You should really look into what it means to have a conscience. Hint: it's not in your employee handbook.
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When Slashdotters can't handle a post that just asks if one popular language can use scripts from another popular language, then the TrollMods have won.
How come the record companies charge me for a new copy of a worn-out or upgraded recording?
I could understand the logic when I bought a physical copy. But if I own the CD, why am I paying Apple for a lossy copy of it when I download it from iTunes? At the very least, why does Apple have the privilege to limit the number of backup/relocated copies of a song I bought?
Who's taking someone's money and just doing as they would? This story is about someone refusing to take kids money unless they were passing their classes.
Yeah, it's against the corporatist attitude that you went way overboard trying to defend. But it was an admirable act. Which is why that corporatism sucks.
Isn't it cool that the people defending corporatism aren't as smart as those who can see that humans are more important than money?
Yeah, and that sucks.
"Industrial Disease" by Dire Straits:
The white earbud wires signal to people (especially the cuter ones who can't think so good) that they can have sex with you before they notice that you're a geek with a "LiPod".
What I want is an iPod that can get its audio data from incoming Bluetooth. Then it could just be a "headphone adapter" (with a big cache, excellent DAC and UI) for either my PC, or my phone, or any other (Bluetooth) network device, without the other devices needing a DAC or headphone output (or to be mobile).
Ringtones derived from the song (usually by a human interpreter) aren't derivative works controlled by copyright, but a human interpreter performing the song is a derivative work?
Copyright law economics will replace all musicians with machines. Especially because all the new that music record corps are pushing on us sucks worse than a machine, usually because it was made by a clone.
Libraries and components are part of the runtime.
And I still like Perl. If I can just suck in the Python scripts, I don't have to bother with Python, however much reason you might have to like it. I'm talking about my reasons. Talk about yours with someone else, who doesn't care that they're strawman arguments.
I want to run Python scripts in my Perl environment because, among other reasons, Python's runtime has the problems mentioned in this Slashdot story summary. And I don't want to have to install and maintain a Python runtime, or learn its peculiarities. But I do want all its functionality, including the Python scripts embedded in lots of my OS. During my transitions from Ubuntu 6.4 to 6.10 to 7.4, the Python libraries and installs got very corrupted, including some apps using different versions of Python side by side, getting entangled (not to mention the bloated redundancy). So I'd like to just have a wrapper for Perl that can handle all those Python scripts.
Python claims to "run everywhere", but I can't find an actual list. I'd be surprised if it actually runs on the extremely complete range of platforms Perl actually runs on. If Python scripts actually ran on Perl engines, then it would.
The Sun dumps 1KW:m^2 on the Earth's surface at Noon. Indoor lighting probably lands at best 5W:m^2. But it's better than nothing. A phone with 0.9Ah, 3.6V batteries (that last 72h) consumes about 0.045W while waiting to ring. That means a 1% efficient 1m^2 solar panel could keep them charged, even accumulate over 10% faster than they're draining (ie. recharge in about 7h). A 5x10mm phone is 0.005m^2, or 0.025W incoming. A 20% solar panel on it could get 0.005W, which could add 10% longer life - 7h more. Which isn't bad - better than nothing, but not nearly as good as carrying an extra battery.
In mobile devices, the energy budget for manufacturing the cell is more sensible than immobile solar, because it solves a problem of no access to recharging, for long periods (days, weeks, longer) that can't really be solved practically by bigger batteries. You don't need to carry a charger. A quadband GSM phone with a foldout 1m^2 (or larger) solar foil could be a self-contained unit (especially with Over the Air payment). That's the big leap to true wireless. The battery could eventually become just a backup for the solar, an "energy cache" that just ensures the phone works through periods at night or in your pocket.
The tech has a long way to go. Which is why we need to encourage its R&D now, with any new product that can be justified at all. Because the longest journey starts with the single first step, and getting more of them behind us brings the arrival that much closer.
That doesn't happen automagically. It takes reinvestment of profits, best from a large scaled market economy. The lack of a mass market for solar is no different from any other chicken and egg. And here Dell has found some excuse to bootstrap the process.
So all your arguments are just supporting my point. Thanks for seeing things my way.
I answered the exact question, directly. I'm not discussing why I lile Perl. I like Perl. I'd like to use some of the existing code in Python to do some things that perhaps Perl doesn't do. But without having to deal with the Python runtime environment, especially given the limitations mentioned in the story we're discussing. And while Perl's extremely wide portability of identical source code isn't "magical", it is indeed one of the reasons why I like Perl. Because I don't have to learn some new language every several years just because Perl is now pretty old.
I'm not looking for "the best VM" or anything else like that. I'm looking for a way to use Python scripts with my Perl engine. Which is exactly what I said, and exactly what I want.
If you want to argue about something else I don't care about, which is known as a "straw man" fallacy, then why don't you reply to that other obnoxious post instead of bugging me with irrelevancies?
PC tech has financed huge tech returns for non-PC products, especially in power conservation and management. I'd like to see Dell and other PC OEMs evolve into supplying solar power systems (with embedded PCs for ease of open integration and smart operation) for general use in our homes, offices and mobile.
A real winner would be mobile phones whose cases all recharge off solar (or just ambient light, even indoors). That kind of mass market could drive down the price:performance curve, open up the tech to all our powered devices. And make the "solar look" popular that even people who buy on nothing but fashion (most people) would start saving power with all these accessories.
Perl has been compiling scripts to intermediary interpreted code since the beginning. You know nothing. Just how to do the stupid thing.
Shut the fuck up, asshole.
These robots will be really interesting when they can simulate in themselves the feeling of recoiling in shock and horror when a long run of successful extractions suddenly ends when they touch their instrument to patient, and that damn buzzer goes off. And it hands the tweezers to its bratty little sister for her easy win.
I like Perl. Is there a tool that converts Python scripts to Perl, or compiles them into the opcodes that Perl's interpreter actually executes? That could let Python scripts run on lots of other machines, possibly avoiding all those architecture limitations that the Perl engine has already solved.
If you consistently posted calm, rational comments like that I wouldn't be upping their ante just to shut you down.
I wonder if buying a Canadian iPod, and paying the "copyright exemption tax", even if it's shipped abroad (eg. America, UK, Azerbaijan...) would exempt the owner from liability in that country. In the US at least, paying Canadian taxes usually exempts one from paying the US equivalent (Canadian taxes are usually higher). I'd love to see a good lawyer argue the RIAA's lame lawyers out of landing liability on these American users of Canadian iPods. Not least because iPods are like the drugs Americans are already turning to Canada to get without the expense and legal restrictions. And iPods are refillable across the Net.