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Another Man Dies After Marathon Gaming Session

loserMcloser writes "Another Chinese man has died after spending three days in an internet cafe for an online gaming marathon session. He apparently fainted and died at the cafe from exhaustion. 'The report did not say what the man, whose name was not given, was playing. The report said that about 100 other Web surfers "left the cafe in fear after witnessing the man's death."'"

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  1. oblig. futurama by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scruffy gonna die the way he lived

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    1. Re:oblig. futurama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not off topic!!!
      Who's the mod without a sense of humor?

    2. Re:oblig. futurama by Durrok · · Score: 1

      Don't know. Stop posting as AC and maybe you will have some mod points to use.

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    3. Re:oblig. futurama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can still get mod points posting only as AC.

    4. Re:oblig. futurama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      but the real question is: Did he die happy? Was his corpse smiling or not?

    5. Re:oblig. futurama by Rhapsody+Scarlet · · Score: 1

      Oh, marmalade!

    6. Re:oblig. futurama by bob_herrick · · Score: 1

      Intersting, did not know that. However, I never mod AC, so from my point of view it is moot.

    7. Re:oblig. futurama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you die in the real world, you die in the game!

    8. Re:oblig. futurama by NeM2k2 · · Score: 1

      It's ok, he had another guy.

    9. Re:oblig. futurama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and you just wasted a mod point. Haha.

    10. Re:oblig. futurama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The report said that about 100 other Web surfers "left the cafe in fear after witnessing the man's death.

      Then, the other 100 gamers just sprayed Febreeze on his chair to get rid of the odor, AND KEPT ON GAMIN'

  2. And the culprit is .... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... the lead paint on the game controller.

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    1. Re:And the culprit is .... by Fozzyuw · · Score: 3, Funny

      And the culprit is ....

      Too much over-time at work.

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    2. Re:And the culprit is .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, his gaming assistant brushed his teeth for him with counterfeit Colgate Whitening Expressions. The high ethylene glycol content dissolved the majority of his throat, causing him to suffocate after subsequently inhaling the liquified remains of his esophagus. But man, his teeth looked great! And his breathe smelled like a mango kiwi salsa, delicious!

    3. Re:And the culprit is .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if he's like most hardcore gamers that I would know of, the real cause is this.

      Capcha is "catlike" FTW!

  3. anyone else hear that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's the sound of Jack Thompson creaming his pants

    1. Re:anyone else hear that by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, that was him releasing his bowels.

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    2. Re:anyone else hear that by sentientbeing · · Score: 5, Funny

      Whats the problem?

      He'll just respawn back at the entrance.

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    3. Re:anyone else hear that by ericartman · · Score: 1

      Damn I knew gold farmers had it bad but play till you die? Wonder who got his equipment, and gil? (jk)

      Cart

    4. Re:anyone else hear that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whats the problem?
      He'll just respawn back at the entrance.

      hehe, MMO vs real life jokes. Reminds me of that joke that someone said the pope died and someone in game asked what he dropped. First I laughed and then I cried when I realized I was going to hell for laughing at it. hehe

    5. Re:anyone else hear that by EvanED · · Score: 3, Funny

      He'll just respawn back at the entrance.

      "No, don't you get it? If you die in Bejing, you die in real life!"

    6. Re:anyone else hear that by Neanderthal+Ninny · · Score: 1

      When you die all fluids and other materials come out. This type of endurance video gaming is sort of silly IMHO. However I read recently this stuff is big money so I assume people are sacrificing their health and lives for this seems okay... for that individual.

    7. Re:anyone else hear that by boobavon · · Score: 1
    8. Re:anyone else hear that by chemisus · · Score: 5, Funny
    9. Re:anyone else hear that by discogravy · · Score: 2, Funny

      so...he's been talking again?

  4. Only one thing to do then .. by PriceIke · · Score: 4, Funny

    Guess we'll just have to ban online gaming. How many more have to die??

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    1. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 0, Redundant

      And the children. Will someone please think of the children?! We do not want our children to die!!!!

    2. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by RingDev · · Score: 3, Funny

      Funny, I thought China already had laws dealing with online gaming... Maybe they just need more laws. Laws will save us all! Yea laws! Because if it's illegal, no one will do it. We just need to make it more illegal.

      -Rick

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    3. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by CloneBot · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or do we? That would be the last thing they would be expecting.

    4. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, the last thing they would be expecting is the Spanish Inquisition.

    5. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by mstahl · · Score: 4, Funny

      It worked here for the war on drugs... oh wait.

    6. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Dirtside · · Score: 4, Funny

      We just need to make it more illegal.

      What we really need is to define the standard metric unit of illegality. Here's some options:

      - Five-megabyte unauthorized song downloads
      - Men's room foot-tappings
      - CIA agent identity leakings
      - Sports memorabilia thievings

      Come up with your own!
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    7. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by gluechucker · · Score: 1

      What we really need is to define the standard metric unit of illegality. Ya, cause I know /I/ for one won't be shooting for a high score there....
    8. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by operagost · · Score: 2, Funny

      And gun control. Oh wait...

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    9. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      Guess we'll just have to ban online gaming. How many more have to die?? RTFA. It said he died after a "Marathon gaming session." Play something else and you should be fine.
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    10. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by mstahl · · Score: 1

      Perhaps. What I mean though is that here in the US that approach never works but it gets politicians reelected like crazy. See also: war on drugs, abstinence education, teen alcohol abuse, etc, etc. I don't know to what extent that approach works for politicians who don't have to worry about reelection and for a populace that's much more under control than here.

      I don't think that's been the approach with gun control, but in any case I think that the approach with gun control has been just as damaging.

    11. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      Tells you volumes about the intellect of the average voter...

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    12. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 3, Funny

      Damned liberals with their nanny-state! Saving children from death! How are children going to learn the fatal consequences of dangerous actions if they are constantly protected against them? How are they going to learn to survive on their own if we don't let them die a few times?

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    13. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 5, Funny

      the standard metric unit of illegality

      I propose the "hijink."

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    14. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by ch0ad · · Score: 1

      it certainly stopped the big bag of weed in front of me from being there.

      and the spliff in the ashtray that isn't there as well.

    15. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by mstahl · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. Politicians here like to cater to middle america because those are the ones who actually get out to the polls, for whatever reason.

      Also, if you're talking about stuff like the war on drugs you have to be fair: that was an executive order, not a congressional thing. The President isn't really directly elected by the people so, you know, not really the people's fault. Congress, however, is publicly elected and they control how much money goes towards it. That's a little something nobody really seems to remember when they're bashing Bush: we have the power to cut off the money to things that we think are wasteful.

      Whatever. Doesn't seem like it'll be likely to change any time soon and honestly it's a political strategy that's existed since the Puritan pilgrims helped settle this decaying republic.

    16. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by ShaneThePain · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

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    17. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by dumb_jedi · · Score: 1

      Totally agree! I think they should have the death penalty to people who die ( real worldly ) playing online! Oh, NVM.. I'll just go back to TB...

    18. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Come on... we know the last thing they would be expecting is the Spanish Inquisition!

      (sorry you got troll-modded, clearly someone didn't get your joke.)

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    19. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by peterpi · · Score: 1

      After all, more people die in China than any other country.

    20. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Pojut · · Score: 1

      It worked here for the war some on drugs... oh wait.
      fixed.
    21. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gun control basically is the same thing: for a gun to really be a problem one must already be prepared to break the law. So given that a willingness to break the law is already a prerequisite for a gun crime to take place: do you really think that the culprit is gonna give a damn that he's breaking a law by obtaining or carrying a gun?

      To put it into Slashdot terms: it would be like the government outlawing encryption to prevent terrorists from communicating. If they're talking about blowing up a building do you really think they are afraid to have a copy of PGP installed on their computer? Nope. All outlawing encryption does is take it away from the people who were originally using it for non-illegal purposes, or make criminals out of those who refuse to give it up even if their original actions were perfectly legal. Same applies to guns.

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    22. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Pojut · · Score: 1
      actually, it wasn't.

      It worked here for the war on some drugs... oh wait.


      NOW it's fixed 8D
    23. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Bluesman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Damn straight!

      Liberals are always preaching about evolution, but they never seem to want to let it happen.

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    24. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      If you're going to make snippy little "fixed it" jokes you could at least make a correction that is grammatically sensible. ;)

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    25. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Grr · · Score: 1

      Deathpenalty for anyone who games for longer than twentyfour hours!

    26. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by martinussen · · Score: 1

      I'm a child, you insensitive clod!

    27. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by silverspeedy · · Score: 1

      No, how about shenanigans? I'm going to pistol whip the next person who says shenanigans!

    28. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      Gun control basically is the same thing: for a gun to really be a problem one must already be prepared to break the law. So given that a willingness to break the law is already a prerequisite for a gun crime to take place

      To be fair, the idea is that gun control makes it harder for the bad guy, willing to be bad though be may be, to actually obtain a gun.

      I think we agree that this idea happens to be very incorrect, and that gun control keeps guns away from bad guys about as well as drug laws keep heroin away from junkies. And I'm sure "game control" laws would keep consoles away from WoW junkies about as well, and maybe let use have a violent black market in Wiis.

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    29. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      They should hang people who play games for more than 12 hours.

      Capital punishment - the solution for all of life's problems.

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    30. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not owning/carrying a gun kind of prevents, for example:
      - accidents (mis-handling, misuse by curious kids finding it)
      - impulsive use (e.g. in a rage)
      - another person using your gun against you

      So yeah, gun control is really useless.

    31. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      It is the religion of the modern age that with enough laws and lawsuits we can keep all bad things from ever happening and create utopia.

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    32. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by kernel_panic · · Score: 3, Funny

      I guess the same can be said about driving a car, or having a penis.

    33. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love the term "Drug Czar". Nothing better for a democracy than the image of a monarch.

    34. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by space+tyrant+xenu · · Score: 1

      I think we really need a car analogy to put it into /. terms.

    35. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by m50d · · Score: 1
      To put it into Slashdot terms: it would be like the government outlawing encryption to prevent terrorists from communicating. If they're talking about blowing up a building do you really think they are afraid to have a copy of PGP installed on their computer? Nope. All outlawing encryption does is take it away from the people who were originally using it for non-illegal purposes, or make criminals out of those who refuse to give it up even if their original actions were perfectly legal. Same applies to guns.

      Look at China. Sure, the terrorists aren't be afraid to have PGP installed - but it means they'll be dragged off to the gulags before they get anywhere. Making guns illegal does prevent crime, because anyone with a gun can be arrested for that before they do anything with it.

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    36. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by dfgchgfxrjtdhgh.jjhv · · Score: 1

      it also stops petty criminals from needing guns, obviously it wont stop hardened gangsters & serial killers, but most criminals arent. your common or garden thief/burglar doesnt need a gun & wont risk the extra jail time, if law abiding people dont carry guns. if everyone has a gun, every criminal needs a bigger/better gun than the average, it starts a criminal arms race.

    37. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by theridersofrohan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gun control basically is the same thing: for a gun to really be a problem one must already be prepared to break the law. So given that a willingness to break the law is already a prerequisite for a gun crime to take place: do you really think that the culprit is gonna give a damn that he's breaking a law by obtaining or carrying a gun? That argument has two major holes:

      a) It is assuming that people are rational beings and that all actions are well premeditated. It's pretty well known by now that people are irrational (hey, how's that for a slashdot audience, this is a blog entry by the gmail creator!). Basically, in a surge of emotion (think domestic fights, a depressed / severely stressed kid (say a highschool shooting)), if one can easily have access to guns (by opening the local cabinet, going to a store, etc.), they can cause massively more damage, significantly more easily.

      b) That the massive number of guns going around in a society will always be used by the people they were intended in the way they were intended. This is patently not true, as demonstrated by kids getting access to their grandfather's gun, or various people we (the west) have massively funded and provided guns to (think Bin Laden and the Mujahideen's in Afganistan vs the Soviets, or Saddam versus the Iranians).

      There's also, of course, a moral argument. The only primary purpose of the gun is to kill. The whole protection stuff is completely secondary; a gun 'protects' by killing, or threatening to kill. I, personally, think that society has an obligation to protect its citizens, and banning a device the purpose of which is to kill is a good idea.

      Guns don't kill people, people kill people. And monkeys kill people. If you give them a gun. (to quote eddie izzard)
    38. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how do you find out a person has a gun? Random pat-down searches? Metal detectors at every public store, restaurant, etc?

      Sounds like more government is needed. That's always a good way to live.

    39. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously...this man should get a life

    40. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by ZombieRoboNinja · · Score: 1

      This argument amuses me, because it always makes me imagine the world as some kind of FPS level with semi-automatic weapons lying about in unmarked crates all over the place.

      The idea is that gun laws would make it HARDER for would-be criminals to ACQUIRE guns, not that it would cause moral qualms once they'd already found them.

      Yes, the Mafia and drug-runners and ninja assassins will still manage to get their hands on weapons, even with strict gun control laws. But disturbed teenagers and random jerks on the street are a different story.

    41. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by VoidPoint · · Score: 1

      One Shenanigan is equal to one hundred hijinks. How many shenanigans before it's a mischievous to-do?

    42. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on now, you're just bragging.

    43. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      In this case, wouldn't it be a "beijink"?

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    44. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by sanosuke76 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Disturbed teenagers? Yes, they'll still get them.

      Drug-runners? Yes, they'd keep getting them. In fact, if you were to ban weapons here in the US, they'd become the new pipeline for all firearms, and the ones illegally obtained would become MORE dangerous, not less. It's a felony to possess an illegally obtained semi-automatic rifle, and it's a felony to possess a select-fire AK-47. If you're gonna go, go all out.

      Random jerks on the street? They'd still have them. The number of times I have been asked if I was carrying a weapon, either by law enforcement or anyone who I couldn't just lie to about it if I were, has been precisely zero.

      Of course, the problem with states like California and New York is that we simply don't have enough guns on the street in the RIGHT hands. States which allow individuals who've passed psychological profiles, proficiency tests, and regular testing/certification in exchange for the right to carry concealed weapons which they've qualified with, tend to have their crime rates go down. This is a reasonably well documented (on both sides of the argument) talking point to research, so I'll let you guys do your own reading on the matter. One pro-gun book to begin your search with is "More Guns, Less Crime" by John Lott. There are, of course, contrary viewpoints which are worth looking into as well, but they'll frequently reference Lott's work, so it's a good general purpose search term to dig up both ends of the argument.

      I actually work at gun shows on the weekends in California (just handled the Ontario one yesterday, actually), and you would probably not believe the number of folks who own unregistered assault weapons (not to be racist, but it seems that a quarter or so of the Hispanic guys out there have an unregistered MAK-90 in the closet, and ask me for folding stocks to dress it up with, making it even MORE illegal!) and usually at every show someone will mention an unregistered fully automatic weapon they have at home. These are only the turkeys who talk about it openly to everyone, and go to shows - which I would estimate at maybe 10% of the scofflaws out there. If it's not working in California, one of the "poster child" states for gun control, you can be pretty sure it's not going to work elsewhere. Every time they try to "tighten it up" here, more folks just start ignoring the law, and substantial numbers of the police become less interested in enforcing the laws which are starting to go well beyond what they consider reasonable.

      The real answer to a reasonable amount of gun control, would be to restrict the scope of the more onerous and less adhered to laws, to only apply as sentence enhancements for violent crimes (or individuals with a weapons related conviction within the past 10 years). There really is no good reason why the 35yo guy with a clean record who wants to drive out every weekend to punch holes in paper with his AR-10 semi-auto rifle, and never uses it for anything else, should be treated the same as an on-again off-again drug abuser with a history of misdemeanors.

      The purpose of guns is to accelerate lead to velocities at which it can travel in a straight line, until intercepted by a target. The designation of that target is entirely up to the shooter. I happen to legally build AK-47 rifles, assemble AR-15's for friends, reload my own ammunition, and own somewhere around 80 guns (yes, I do have records of all of them, I just don't feel like counting for a slashdot poll). None of them have been used in a crime, and I don't foresee that changing at any point.

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    45. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by k1e0x · · Score: 1

      That argument has two major holes:

      a) It is assuming that people are rational beings and that all actions are well premeditated. It's pretty well known by now that people are irrational (hey, how's that for a slashdot audience, this is a blog entry by the gmail creator!). Basically, in a surge of emotion (think domestic fights, a depressed / severely stressed kid (say a highschool shooting)), if one can easily have access to guns (by opening the local cabinet, going to a store, etc.), they can cause massively more damage, significantly more easily. No, when unstable people go off.. they can only cause massive damage and go on shooting rampages in places where people are not allowed to have guns. If they are in a area where people do have guns, fewer people die (maybe just their first target and themselves.)

      b) That the massive number of guns going around in a society will always be used by the people they were intended in the way they were intended. This is patently not true, as demonstrated by kids getting access to their grandfather's gun, or various people we (the west) have massively funded and provided guns to (think Bin Laden and the Mujahideen's in Afganistan vs the Soviets, or Saddam versus the Iranians). They can use them any way they like so long as they are not harming others with them.

      There's also, of course, a moral argument. The only primary purpose of the gun is to kill. The whole protection stuff is completely secondary; a gun 'protects' by killing, or threatening to kill. I, personally, think that society has an obligation to protect its citizens, and banning a device the purpose of which is to kill is a good idea. Your reasoning is flawed. You have a right to defend yourself, this right is not given to you by government, it is a intrinsic, unalienable right that you would use even if government said otherwise. Since you have a right to defend yourself.. if someone has the ability to use a weapon to attack you, you therefore have a right to defend yourself with a weapon. When we deny people the ability to use weapons we deny them the ability to protect themselves from those that use weapons. When a unstable person does get a weapon he is a god to those without one and can kill at will. Cops do not protect you, they only clean yo messes and write tickets.. they NEVER get there in time. Even the supreme court has said that cops do not have a obligation to protect you. YOU protect you.

      Being involved in one.. I have personal experience with mass shootings.. do you?

      You might wish that guns didn't exist.. I do too.. but they do and everyone should own a gun.
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    46. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Totally agree! I think they should have the death penalty to people who die ( real worldly ) playing online! Oh, NVM.. I'll just go back to TB... There have been laws that make attempted suicide a capital crime.
    47. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      It seems that this problem only happens in China, maybe the Chinese should stop playing games?

    48. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Man... apparently this is the thread of the humorless today.

      I didn't expect this kind of Spanish Moderation!

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    49. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by NeilTheStupidHead · · Score: 1

      I did

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    50. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Gunther+Maplethorpe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      b) That the massive number of guns going around in a society will always be used by the people they were intended in the way they were intended.

      Are you trying to say that responsible gun owners/users are massively in the minority? I contest your statement that they're in the minority at all, let alone 'massively' in the minority. The BBC reports here ahref=http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/people/features/ihavearightto/four_b/casestudy_art29.shtmlrel=url2html-15758http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/people/features/ihavearightto/four_b/casestudy_art29.shtml> that, in the US, there are some 60 million gun owners with some 200 million guns. If the majority of gun owners didn't use them responsibly, we'd be in pretty dire straits indeed.

    51. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by cavebison · · Score: 1

      I wonder what the iterative capacity of the human brain is for processing nested brackets in sentences?

    52. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by 1u3hr · · Score: 0
      To be fair, the idea is that gun control makes it harder for the bad guy, willing to be bad though be may be, to actually obtain a gun. I think we agree that this idea happens to be very incorrect,

      Actually, no, "we" don't agree. DO NOT claim that everyone, even a majority, agrees with you. But rather than spawn yet another 400-post 2nd Amendment flame war, I'll leave it at that.

    53. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Maybe we just need more liberalism. Liberalism will save us all! Yea liberalism! Because if we're more liberal, no-one will do anything we don't want them to do! We just need to be more liberal!

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    54. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    55. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by lgw · · Score: 1

      ObPython: And if you had had a few fatal beatings in your youth, you'd have been a different man today!

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    56. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by GrumpySimon · · Score: 1

      I think every single person here expected that damn Spanish inquisition quote as soon as they saw "expecting" in the parent post.

      Seriously - has there ever been a post on /. that used the term "expecting" and was not followed by 3 or 4 Spanish inquisition quotes?

    57. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Kokuyo · · Score: 1

      a) It is assuming that people are rational beings and that all actions are well premeditated. It's pretty well known by now that people are irrational (hey, how's that for a slashdot audience, this is a blog entry by the gmail creator!). Basically, in a surge of emotion (think domestic fights, a depressed / severely stressed kid (say a highschool shooting)), if one can easily have access to guns (by opening the local cabinet, going to a store, etc.), they can cause massively more damage, significantly more easily.

      b) That the massive number of guns going around in a society will always be used by the people they were intended in the way they were intended. This is patently not true, as demonstrated by kids getting access to their grandfather's gun, or various people we (the west) have massively funded and provided guns to (think Bin Laden and the Mujahideen's in Afganistan vs the Soviets, or Saddam versus the Iranians).


      Likewise, your counterarguments have holes, too:

      a) In such a situation, where rational thought isn't a factor anymore, everything can be turned into a weapon. You can slice the other party open with a kitchen knive, throw the acidic cleaner in his face, break his spine with a chair carefully applied just at the right spot and so on.
      Remember, the person is being irrational. Chances are he's not going to kill with the first bullet. So he has to shoot a second time. So you can't even argue that using a knive or a chair is less dangerous because the other has a chance to survive the first attack. What good does that do you when you're lying on the floor with a broken back and the other guy takes a second swing at your head?

      b) And you think Bin Laden wouldn't have gotten any guns if you hadn't given them to him? Do you think 9/11 wouldn't have happened if they hadn't had any guns? Really?
      And by your logic, since the kids got to guns they were not supposed to wield in the first place, that the same argument couldn't be applied to screwdrivers, kitchen knives, scissors and the like? Accidents, and that's what they remain, happen because people don't know how to handle the tools. Yes, tools. They are all tools. Of course a gun is meant to kill... or shoot at round circles on a piece of paper. Do you want to outlaw my longbow too? Or axes? Remember, those can be thrown as well. Scary, dangerous stuff, that. Or chainsaws! Don't forget those bastards, we've seen in horror movies that they can kill as well!

      See, the problem is not that normal citizens have guns. If they didn't, then it would be very possible to become a police state. With all the crap that's going on lately you can't possibly want to tell me that that scenario isn't a frighteningly close possibility. No, the problem is that every crackhead can have a semi-automatic or even automatic gun to "shoot deer". It's the fact that people aren't required to go through extensive training to obtain a license to own a weapon. I mean seriously, a car can be dangerous but it is not inherently produced to kill stuff. But that takes some training to get a license to handle. Why not guns?

      Just for clarification, I am Swiss. We can't buy automatic guns under any circumstance but every male Swiss has an obligation to join the army and gets issued a gun that can be turned into a fully automatic rifle. It's just illegal. And we get issued a small pack of ammo, too. Both the auto function and the ammo are sealed but once you're over the point where you care about law... And yes, we've had a few happenings with army issued weapons and yes they're thinking about stopping giving them out. But seriously the seldomly get used in crimes where the culprit wants to remain hidden. And for good reason. Those guns are traceable.

      So imagine taking away those guns. The next time someone goes on a rampage in tha parliament of Zug (a state in Switzerland) he doesn't wield an army issued weapon but an Uzi he got from shady sources... makes stuff so much better, doesn't it?
    58. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by bint · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know what he was trying to say, but it is not what he said.
      - There are a massive number of guns in society.
      - Not all are not going to be used as intended. ...or me fail English.

    59. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In UK they banned quite a lot of guns. The number of violent crimes did not decline. Why? How do you think you would defend against a well-trained man with a knife without a gun? The criminals know it.
      In the US universities it is forbidden to hold guns. The criminal (even the irational one) can be assured that nobody is going to kill him. In 2 cases of university killing the attacker was shot down by a gun that was forbidden to be held at the university.
      Children accidents are NOT a good way to judge this. What about banning cars because the children can access them and from time to time steal them from their parents and cause serious accidents?

    60. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Zironic · · Score: 1

      You need to retake your reading comprehension classes.

      He said that not everyone is a responsible gun owner, not that the majority isn't responsible.

    61. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Zironic · · Score: 1

      In Sweden it's very hard to get hold of a gun and we also have very few gun crimes. Generally it's rather hard to start a massacre using a woodcutting axe.

      Shooting at round circles on a piece of paper isn't really a legitimate use. I wouldn't mind outlawing longbows but their killing power is way less then a gun and I think the amount of people killed by longbows the last 20 years is rather tiny.

      An Axe or Chainsaw are both legitimate tools and a chainsaw is a lot less efficient in real life then in movies.

      However when it comes to the U.S I think they already have way to many weapons about to be able to make them illegal now.

    62. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the US in 2000 had 32000 death guns and the countries of Great Britain, France, Germany, Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark and Australia, only a combined 112 deaths (see Bowling for Columbine). That's only a rate 300 times as high... Surely gun control would have some effect on this number, don't you think?

    63. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think "we" was referring to the poster and the parent poster, as in "the poster feels that she/he and the parent poster are probably in agreement." Not everything is about you.

    64. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it any better to get robbed by a criminal without a gun than one with a gun? The notion of a "criminal arms race" is kind of unrealistic, what would a "bigger/better gun" even mean? Are you suggesting that if it became common for the average citizen to be armed with concealed pistols, criminals would start carrying (unconcealable) machine guns? There is an upper limit for what is really possible to get away with carrying discretely.

    65. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by KoldKompress · · Score: 1

      Maybe if the people going to US universities to shoot stuff up weren't able to buy a firearm from their equivalent of an S-mart (Shop smart!), there wouldn't have been as many lives lost.

    66. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess the same can be said about driving a car, or having a penis. Man, what a scary world it can be. These things map to the penis in a terrifying way:

      - accidents (mis-handling, misuse by curious kids finding it)
      - impulsive use (e.g. in a rage)
      - another person using your gun against you
    67. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Emperor+Cezar · · Score: 1

      and banning a device the purpose of which is to kill is a good idea. While you are quite right about the misuse of guns, you do not address the issue that banning a gun will not prevent criminals from having a real advantage over John Q. Public by illegally carrying and using guns. Banning guns will keep them from being used off the cuff when someone is angry, but I'd speculate that that is a rare case of gun violence.

      If the issue is irrational people having firearms, then the license system should be changed so that it attempts to exclude those irrational people. It shouldn't keep guns from legal citizen thus giving any would-be robber a one-up on home invasion.

      It is quite possible for a society to have sensible and effective gun laws. For one such society, please look at Switzerland
    68. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      Actually, no, "we" don't agree. DO NOT claim that everyone, even a majority, agrees with you.

      Easy, friend. I was talking to MBGMorden; "we agree" meant that he and I agree. "We agree" doesn't mean "we all agree". Ok? Ok.

      I would be curious to know, however, on what basis you disagree with the observation that gun control laws do not keep guns away from bad guys. I live outside Baltimore, which is in a state with some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation - and the second highest murder rate. Baltimore also has a heroin addiction rate of over ten percent. Neither gun control nor drug control laws seem to be accomplishing their stated goals.

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    69. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      There are already 9 guns in the United States for every 10 people. That's not including things like black powder guns which are not legally considered firearms and hence aren't actually tracked as such. Most decently skilled machinists can make a working gun from scratch using steel tube and bar-stock. There's a lot more lying around than you think, and more can be made without TOO much trouble. Trust me, gunsmiths were hammering them out in their private little shops several hundred years ago. Today with CNC machinery available at the prices it is, it's far easier.

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    70. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He can't. He's too high.

    71. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Insightful

      - accidents (mis-handling, misuse by curious kids finding it)

      Firearms accidents are very rare. Of course one accidental shooting is one too many, but you are more likely to drown, be poisoned, or die in a fire, than be killed in a gun accident.

      - impulsive use (e.g. in a rage)

      Someone in a murderous rage who doesn't have a gun will grab a knife, a baseball bat, whatever. (Did you know that the U.S. has a higher non-gun murder rate than the total murder rate of the U.K. or Japan?)

      Now, picture some big strong guy in a murderous rage with a knife in one hand and a baseball bat in the other, coming after someone you love. Do you wish your loved one had a gun?

      (Yes, you might wish they had a phaser set to stun. Here in the real world however, the best way to stop someone intent on an act of great violence remains a firearm. That's why cops carry them. Mace and stunguns work for shit; unarmed self defense is better than nothing, and will teach you strategies for avoiding trouble, but even a black belt can get killed by somebody bigger and stronger with a weapon.)

      - another person using your gun against you

      Proper training prevents this. Your gun is locked away if it's not on your person; if it's on your person, you shoot an attacker before they get close enough to take your gun away. A gun is a distance weapon, after all. (And if they manage to get up right close to you before you get your gun out, and take it away from you that way, then they could just as easily put a knife in you if their intention is to kill you.)

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    72. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      In the same way that anyone with PGP could be arrested before they do anything with it. We know that they were gonna do something nasty and malicious right?

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    73. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congress passed the Controlled Substances Act back in 1970. Congress makes the drugs illegal and the President is responsible for the enforcement of those laws. You can't shunt a majority of the blame to either side for destroying our rights, because they're both responsible.

    74. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by m50d · · Score: 1

      Searches of people who are acting suspiciously, like we already have.

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    75. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      your common or garden thief/burglar doesnt need a gun & wont risk the extra jail time, if law abiding people dont carry guns.

      So a rapist or murderer only needs a knife. Thank goodness those are hard to come by!

      if everyone has a gun, every criminal needs a bigger/better gun than the average, it starts a criminal arms race.

      No, because guns don't work like that. In a close range one-on-one (or maybe one-on-two) confrontation, where only one or two shots are likely to be fired, I can kill you just as dead with a .38 revolver as you can kill me with an submachine gun. This is the scenario in which the vast majority of defenses against criminal assaults occur.

      An arms race only comes into play when there might be gangs of cops and crooks shooting it out; in a running gun battle, a group of guys with .38s is at a disadvanatage versus a bunch of guys with Uzis. That's why the formation of "SWAT" teams and the general militarization of policing led to a demand for higher firepower among crooks.

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    76. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gun control basically is the same thing: for a gun to really be a problem one must already be prepared to break the law. So given that a willingness to break the law is already a prerequisite for a gun crime to take place: do you really think that the culprit is gonna give a damn that he's breaking a law by obtaining or carrying a gun?

      They might not give a damn which works for your safety and is the entire point. If this person is detained for any reason and an unlicensed gun is found, then society should have the right to take their weapon and charge them with an offense.

      Admittedly, I don't know much about the specific gun control legislation in the US, the impression is that pretty much anyone can purchase a weapon and little or no registration is required.

    77. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by m50d · · Score: 1

      Of course one loses something; the question is whether it's worthwhile. As I see it it's worth keeping PGP legal because PGP's primary purpose is a legitimate one, wheras that of guns is not.

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    78. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Really? I own tons of guns. I use them all the time. I do nothing illegal with them. I know many other people who own guns, and again, they do nothing illegal with them. The primary purpose of guns for everyone I know is hunting, with target shooting being secondary.

      Just as with PGP, the VAST majority of gun owners are users are law abiding citizens doing NOTHING wrong. For something with no "legitimate use" they certainly do get legitimately used a lot.

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    79. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by m50d · · Score: 1
      Really? I own tons of guns. I use them all the time. I do nothing illegal with them. I know many other people who own guns, and again, they do nothing illegal with them. The primary purpose of guns for everyone I know is hunting, with target shooting being secondary.

      That may be what those particular people use them for, but the primary purpose of guns remains killing people.

      Just as with PGP, the VAST majority of gun owners are users are law abiding citizens doing NOTHING wrong. For something with no "legitimate use" they certainly do get legitimately used a lot.

      I never said they had no legitimate use, just that their primary purpose is not legitimate.

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    80. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by dfgchgfxrjtdhgh.jjhv · · Score: 1

      obviously rapists & murderers are going to need a weapon. i'd argue that having a gun makes it much easier for a relatively normal person to become a murderer. i mentioned that hardened criminals & gangsters still need weapons, thats obvious, but i was talking about thieves & burglars in particular, here (where there is gun control), its very rare for a burglar or car thief to be armed. we also have a fraction of the murder rate of the us.

      you're also much less likely to miss with an uzi or ak, than with a revolver, are you sure you could get the first shots in (and clean head shots) against a gang with automatic weapons, or even 2 people, before they killed you?

      there is also an arms race between police & criminals as you point out.

    81. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      I would be curious to know, however, on what basis you disagree

      | I'm sure you're sincere. But I've been online in various ways for about 15 years, and one thing I've learnt is that gun debates never end and no one ever changes their mind. They just throw "facts" and ultimately insults at each other till one or the other gets exhausted. Same as Creationism debates. I've indulged in it a few times and it's just a waste of time all around.

    82. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      That may be what those particular people use them for, but the primary purpose of guns remains killing people. That's a statement that I'd take issue with. The majority of guns sold are NOT really all that well purposed for killing people. They CAN be used to kill people, but aren't meant for it. Take the number of guns in the United States total. Take the number of those guns that EVER are used to kill a person (even in defense). You'll come up with the tiniest fraction of a percent. A much larger percentage of them are going to be used for shooting things other than people (either legally hunted animals, innocent pieces of paper, flying clay domes, or annoying little soda cans). I don't see how anything can be dubbed as having it's "primary purpose" as "killing eople" when the vast majority of this item is NEVER used to do so (nor are many marketed to do so. How many bolt action, single shot, or lever action rifles do you REALLY think are intended to be killing people? Those are almost exclusively made and sold as hunting and target weapons).

      This is completely ignoring the fact that defensive use, though it DOES necessitate incapacitating someone (normally through killing), is hard to argue against being a legitimate use. If someone intends to kill me I have no qualms with killing them first.
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    83. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by m50d · · Score: 1
      I don't see how anything can be dubbed as having it's "primary purpose" as "killing eople" when the vast majority of this item is NEVER used to do so (nor are many marketed to do so

      While it's not what it's primarily used for, it's what it's designed for, and what makes it useful rather than other things. Animals I'll give you, but the target-type stuff could all be done just as well with any number of other weapon designs - it's designed so that you can use guns for it, rather than the other way around.

      This is completely ignoring the fact that defensive use, though it DOES necessitate incapacitating someone (normally through killing), is hard to argue against being a legitimate use.

      The defensive use is not a distinct use of the gun - it's impossible to design a gun that's going to be more or less effective when being used defensively. Defensive use (by which I mean "defence through killing your opponent", rather than e.g. parrying with a sword) of any weapon is a legitimate use for a generally illegitimate action. Sure, there are times when it's legitimate to kill someone, but for any generally illegitimate action one can contrive a situation where it would be justified.

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    84. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      While it's not what it's primarily used for, it's what it's designed for, Only in limited cases. Take most of the big bore magnum class safari rifles. Things chambered in .375 H&H, .416 Rigby, or .458 Lott. These rifles and cartridges are both designed and intended for use in Safari hunting situations. Take most benchrest rifle actions - hell the entire development of the 6mm PPC cartridge (which is PURPOSE BUILT as a target round) - designed for something other than killing people.

      If you want to use the generic term "gun", then yes "guns" were originally built to kill people. That's primarily their military use though, and one that nobody is going to get around, and I know of no gun laws that advocate taking guns away from the military.

      Out in the civilian world though, while SOME guns certainly are used to kill people (either through defense or crime), that is NOT the driving force of the industry, and if you'd just get to know some gun owners (take a trip out to your local shooting range - it's safe and I promise they don't bite), you'll learn that the majority of guns and gun culture is NOT about killing people at all, but rather about hunting with and shooting a piece of high precision machinery. What do you think drives people to purchase lots of different guns? For example, I own just under 30 of them myself. Just a hint: if it was about shooting people, 1 or 2 would suffice. No, I have some guns that are of historical interest (many of which I never fire), and the rest of which are geared for hunting different types of animals in different conditions. I, like the majority of gun owners, am not thinking in the least about killing people when I buy or shoot a gun, but it seems to be your notion that gun buyers are sitting there chanting "Kill people. Kill people. Kill people." over and over as they make their purchase.

      It's not that guns have SOME legitimate and legal uses. It's that the vast majority (at least when discounting military use which is again, not really subject to gun laws or arguments regarding such) are used in such a way.
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    85. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by permawired · · Score: 0

      While you make a good statement I have a few counter points..

      1) You do contradict yourself at one point... Which has to deal with guns not being primarily for defense and they should be banned. A person who is willing to do something nefarious will be able to acquire a gun anyway, and it's rather difficult to stop a person with a gun if you don't have one yourself. That and you don't actually have to kill someone per say simple disable them. Most people with a bullet or two in the leg have the wind taken out of their sails so to speak.

      2) Guns enable a person who is physically incapable of defending their life from someone stronger, faster, etc. A person can rather easily kill with their hands or a multitude of other weapons such as knives. To site an example if a person broke into my home with a knife (lets say to kill quietly) I could easily defend myself with a gun.

      3) As for people being emotionally unstable I'll entirely agree, but you can cause just as much damage (IMO) with a 6,000lb+ vehicle as you could with a pistol and a few magazines.

      4) Deep woods camping. I don't know about you but I wouldn't go several miles into the back country without a gun to ward off a hostile animal.

      As a side note, I don't hunt and have never killed any animal or person to date (thankfully). But if I needed to do so to protect my life or the lives of family / friends I certainly would.

      Just my 2 cents.

    86. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      But I've been online in various ways for about 15 years, and one thing I've learnt is that gun debates never end and no one ever changes their mind.

      I did. In high school I wrote a paper urging the banning of handguns; ten years later I was a handgun owner. My opinions on the subject (and on a few others) changed largely because of on-line discussions in the late 80s and early 90s.

      Of course it's rare that in the course of actual discussion, someone changes their mind; but I do think that seeds can be planted to sprout later.

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    87. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by operagost · · Score: 1

      What if I were to declare that PGP's primary purpose is to hide criminal activity? It certainly can be used for such. Many people in law enforcement would agree. Maybe you simply use PGP to secure your personal or business data, but that's just you.

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    88. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by operagost · · Score: 1

      That's not including things like black powder guns which are not legally considered firearms and hence aren't actually tracked as such.
      Really? Heck, in the People's Republic of New Jersey, they consider Airsoft guns weapons. Wikipedia claims that's only in Camden and Newark, but I have already heard of someone doing time for having an unregistered Airsoft gun-- a toy!
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    89. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by sanosuke76 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure you meant to say that you're much less likely to miss with a revolver, than an uzi or AK, right?

      It all depends. As for head shots, that's a product of playing entirely too many video games. Head shots are for rifles, and for the infamous but very rare (for civilians in real life) 'hostage scenario'. Civilians should primarily concern themselves with center of mass, not with head shots.

      I'm very confident that I can hit a person in the chest with a far lower chance of missing (endangering potential bystanders) than if I were aiming at a bobbing, shaking head. Head shots simply aren't a worthwhile undertaking in a close encounter. And if I've got a 10 round magazine, I will be far more confident dumping two rounds into the chest of each assailant than I would aiming at heads with a handgun.

      A friend of mine, who trains (American) Marine recruits, has a very good sigline: "You won't rise to the occasion - you'll default to your level of training". I punch holes in paper every two weeks or so with my Sig 229 and CZ-97B. I feel reasonably confident when aiming for center of mass. I am terrified at the prospect of a guy who shoots perhaps twice a year, attempting to make head shots with a handgun while I happen to be on the other side of his target.

      On a side note, untrained individuals engaging in close range gunfights tend to miss a HUGE percentage of the time. There's plenty of surveilance camera videos on Youtube, of criminals and gas station clerks blasting at each other with handguns, missing each other until their mags run dry, at 3 feet.

      I can also state with confidence that the majority of gang members out there, for all their possession of heavy firepower, have very little ability with their weapons. For one thing: Who goes to shooting ranges? Police, and lots of them. Now, tell me how likely gang bangers are to go to a range, shooting an illegally obtained weapon three feet away from a uniformed police officer? Now, it's my understanding that MS-13 came out of a Salvadoran military tradition and have a higher level of proficiency, but your average gang banger is, at best, on par with the aforementioned twice-a-year guy.

      So, to summarize my point: 1. Lose Counterstrike and train yourself to aim for center of mass - it's for the bystanders' safety, and still shuts down folks about as fast, and 2. Competent marksmen will outshoot untrained thugs by a wide margin.

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    90. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by sanosuke76 · · Score: 1

      And to take things a bit more morose, but no less relevant: Assuming the big strong guy in a murderous rage has a gun... if I have a choice between my loved one being shot in the head or chest and dying quickly, or being stabbed 20-30 times with a knife and left to bleed to death, I think I would rather have them shot. I know which way I'd rather go.

      That having been said, take a look at Africa's death rates. They do shoot at each other with guns, but they also miss a lot. You start seeing huge massacres when they drop guns and move down to machetes...

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    91. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by sanosuke76 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, if "any number of other weapon designs" can accomplish the "target-type stuff" "just as well", please enlighten me. I would love to do my target practice indoors without spending money on ammunition.

      Please, tell me how you can lob a piece of material through a target at 100 yards more efficiently? And no, you can't use uber coil gun designs which haven't been invented yet either. Crossbows, perhaps?

      I suppose that you may have meant lasers with a recoil device to shake things up and make rapid fire more challenging? That eliminates a good chunk of competition, which is getting to mix up the optimal powder/projectile load, and calculating the ballistic arc (since lasers won't arc). I suppose you could replace it with tuning the recoil device or something...

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    92. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by m50d · · Score: 1
      What if I were to declare that PGP's primary purpose is to hide criminal activity? It certainly can be used for such. Many people in law enforcement would agree. Maybe you simply use PGP to secure your personal or business data, but that's just you.

      Your declaring doesn't make it so; look at who invented it (PRZ is not notably a criminal, nor known to be working for any criminal organization), why it was developed, what the first things it were used for were, and what its featureset suggests its uses are (e.g. ADKs wouldn't be useful for criminals).

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    93. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by m50d · · Score: 1
      Please, tell me how you can lob a piece of material through a target at 100 yards more efficiently? And no, you can't use uber coil gun designs which haven't been invented yet either. Crossbows, perhaps?

      Sure, crossbow is a perfectly good example - it's an equally or if anything more skilled sport. Or, yes, lasers, or rubber pellet guns. Sure, it would be a different sport - with the different projectile weapons you have less range and more effect from wind, while the opposite is true when using lasers. But there's no objective reason to prefer actual guns to any of the others, and guns were not designed to make target shooting interesting - rather the other way around.

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    94. Re:Only one thing to do then .. by sanosuke76 · · Score: 1

      Ah, but one of the biggest points with target shooting with a rifle, is that your variables are fairly controllable. A true precision machine can bring it down to the point where the only thing between you and the perfect shot, is your own trigger pull, aim, and estimation of the wind. This can't be said for a crossbow's string. And unless you're casting your own bolts, you don't have control over the balance of the projectile. For that matter, crossbow bolts typically do not rotate, which is essential for the bolt to follow a straight path. Now, as for rubber pellet guns, there's a reason we moved from musket balls to the Minnie ball during the American civil war... greater accuracy. You could create a rifled rubber slug of some sort, but it'd have far too much resonation and deformation at any meaningful speed, unless it were hard enough to be a lethal projectile (thus defeating the purpose) in target shooting. For that matter, I would prefer paintballs over the rubber slugs here; at least you can rapid-fire them and play with your friends. But the repeatability of any given shot is pretty miserable, even with high grade markers, due to great variances in the ammunition and the varying compression levels of the gas canisters.

      As for an objective reason, I'll give you one. In order for something to be suited for target shooting, the platform itself must, all other things being equal, be sufficiently accurate that individuals in a competition are differentiated by skill, and not by luck. Crossbows (at least, the designs I'm familiar with) are within the luck category. I will grant that longbows do have the requisite amount of skill involved, but the rubber pellet construction you propose would fail this test. Laser competition would allow for skill to be the primary variable, but it would become a one-dimensional contest of straight aim, without the science of judging wind and configuring the correct projectile for the target.

      As for making target shooting interesting... well, that's why some folks like to shoot at 1000 yard ranges. :)

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  5. Die with a smile by BlowHole666 · · Score: 4, Funny

    All you need is a beer helmet and a chick giving you a blow job and you could die with all your bases covered.

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    1. Re:Die with a smile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      die with all your bases covered. All your dead base are belong to us.
    2. Re:Die with a smile by Amouth · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      +1

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    3. Re:Die with a smile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All your dead base are belong to us.


      You have no time to cum.
      Make your Lager.
    4. Re:Die with a smile by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

      Don't know about you, but I'd be sure to stay clear from any chick that gives blowjobs to guys wearing beer helmets. Beer in hand? Okay. Beer helmet, hell no.

  6. $5 says... by pieaholicx · · Score: 1

    He died playing WoW. Do I have any takers?

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    1. Re:$5 says... by njfuzzy · · Score: 5, Funny
      So technically that means he died at work? Go figure.

      What? It did say he was Chinese, right?

      What?

      ...I'm just sayin'.

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    2. Re:$5 says... by slughead · · Score: 5, Funny

      >He died playing WoW. Do I have any takers?

      If that were true, I'd say his life just improved.

    3. Re:$5 says... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      The headline says it was a Marathon gaming session. I didn't even know Marathon was an online game...

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    4. Re:$5 says... by dextromulous · · Score: 1

      Well, he is not the only guy to die during a marathon

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    5. Re:$5 says... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, the first Marathon was fatal.

      Nobody ever learns from history.

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    6. Re:$5 says... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Funny

      >He died playing WoW. Do I have any takers?

      If that were true, I'd say his life just improved.


      Perhaps he thought his Second Life would kick in.

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    7. Re:$5 says... by wickedsteve · · Score: 1

      Makes me wonder if he dropped any good loot.

    8. Re:$5 says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Guess he couldn't take the grind no more. At least he's leaving family with WoW gold.

      Oh wait...

    9. Re:$5 says... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      Makes me wonder if he dropped any good loot.

      Hang on, I'll check under his chair...eww!

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    10. Re:$5 says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He died playing WoW. Do I have any takers? No, I think you're right and he probably got lost getting back to his corpse after rezzing in the local cemetary.

      Whew. Glad I'm old. The worst thing that's ever happened to me when I've overdone the WoW is passing out and spilling my beer all over my clothes. Laundry is cheap compared to the 10% armor durability penalty.
    11. Re:$5 says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      >He died playing WoW. Do I have any takers?

      Come on, get real... Internet, 3 days straight... Exhaustion... these are the clues... he was watching porn!

    12. Re:$5 says... by Froboz23 · · Score: 1

      How do you kill that which has no life?

      Well, now we know.

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    13. Re:$5 says... by Amouth · · Score: 1

      i don't know.. SCO http://sco.gpotato.com/ (game i play) started a 3x exp event thursday night last week - and sence then there has been more people on longer than i have ever seen.. wouldn't supprise me if he died grinding...

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    14. Re:$5 says... by gravis777 · · Score: 1

      "Leroy, you idiot"

    15. Re:$5 says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody ever learns from history.

      That's because of the first rule of course selection: Learn from the past - don't take history.

    16. Re:$5 says... by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

      Actually I prefer "Lamont, you big dummy!"

    17. Re:$5 says... by felipekk · · Score: 1

      If that were true, then whomever moved his body out of the internet cafe did a huge mistake. Can you imagine going back to the cafe in spirit form and NOT finding your body?

  7. Darwin for the Modern Era by Durrok · · Score: 1, Informative

    Kinda sad, but really guys there is a reason games/consoles have started reminding you to take breaks. I guess it's better then someone getting killed over ninjaing a drop though...

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    1. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by kevmatic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hehe, actually, it isn't that a new concept.

      For instance, game console manuals have been reminding you to take breaks for many years. The Game Gear manual, I know, had it.

      Earthbound (SNES), too, actively alerted you after like 3 hours that you should really take a break (your dad calls your cell phone). It also had billboards about it (Mothers against Obsession or something).

      I remember playing Earthbound till it alerted me several times. It helped; I'd be like "Oh CRAP, I have been playing a long time."

    2. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by Babbster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This isn't a reason for games/console to remind players to take breaks. This is a reason to make even better games that will ensnare more of the world's obviously pathetic genetic material and flush it down the same toilet that this guy went down.

      I've had VERY long gaming sessions, even ones where I (quite foolishly) remained sitting for 12 hours in a row. But, one of the reasons I've never gone much longer that is that there were warning signs that I should quit, from yawning to blurred vision. There's no doubt in my mind that people who die in this fashion suffer symptoms long before they keel over, and at the very least there are the symptoms that everyone suffers when they need sleep (like, you know, falling asleep).

      Of course, there's plenty of blame to throw around to others as well. How about the staff of this cafe? What could possibly possess them to let this guy keep going? What was he ingesting in order to remain awake for that ridiculous period of time, and why didn't they either stop him ingesting it or stop serving him? Heck, after 24 hours I'd probably call an ambulance on spec! But, it's China, so who knows how people react...still, just the process of one human caring about the welfare of any other should have caused some reaction.

      To reiterate my original point, though: Now that it's over, it's probably just as well that he's gone. Not only was he dumb as a half-bag of rocks, but the fact that he could do this to himself in a public place tells me that he's probably better off dead than living in his community.

    3. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by Durrok · · Score: 1

      Heh you know, I rarely played it in long enough stretches to get that warning but a few times. I always though maybe I was missing something whenever he called.

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    4. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually you can die of exhaustion doing any activity for 3 days straight. If it was American we would be looking to close those dangerous Internet Cafe's and banning any marathon contests.

      But whats really funny is everyone leaving the place in fear....wouldn't want to catch exhaustion!!!

    5. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But whats really funny is everyone leaving the place in fear....wouldn't want to catch exhaustion!!!

      They weren't afraid of the exhaustion. They were afraid of being implicated in this guy's death, being hounded by the police, and possibly being incarcerated for no particular reason other than being in the place at the "wrong time".

    6. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by gluechucker · · Score: 1

      Possibly integration with microwaves and toasters and toilets and all those other things that can have pointless IP addresses. If a game tells me to go do something, screw it. If the game /rewards/ me, I'm there.

    7. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw that, you know we don't have that kind of work ethic to do anything for 3 days straight. Who says ADD is a disease if it was contagious it would help keep tho.. Who think Popeye's chicken doesn't taste the same anymore?

    8. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by SL+Baur · · Score: 1

      What was he ingesting in order to remain awake for that ridiculous period of time Probably nothing, which is a problem in and of itself. The more interesting question is:

      How about the staff of this cafe? There are laws in China prohibiting this kind of computer usage and the staff will undoubtedly be answering that question to the local police.

      The safest thing to do I think is start drinking (heavily if necessary) if you've been playing more than a few hours. That way you'll pass out and sleep long before you reach a danger point.

      Drinking and WoW, it's not a just a good idea, it ought to be the law.
    9. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by iamacat · · Score: 1

      Actually, you can not per se. Anyone with normal health will not even die of thirst that soon at indoor air temperatures. If you are doing anything physically strenuous, you will eventually pass out and remain resuscitable with basic first aid for at least a day. Long before that, it will be obvious to bystanders that you need medical help.

      Sure, many medical conditions change this equation. For example, a diabetic may die from hypoglycemia, or constantly sitting in one position for months can cause deep-vein thrombosis. However such cases are better described as a patient not following his treatment regiment than a death from gaming or a death for exhaustion.

    10. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by Greyfox · · Score: 1
      Well it's not like they were going to reproduce anyway. I mean really. You spent 3 days sitting in your own filth playing a video games. Chicks don't dig that. Not even the geeky ones.

      Three days doesn't seem like enough for exhaustion to kill you though. There are professions where you have to spend long periods of time awake and you don't see those guys keeling over on a regular basis. I wonder if these marathon gamers are not peeing or something. I suspect it's a combination of not peeing and staying awake for 3 days. Or maybe just staying awake for 3 days and not moving from the same position. I can't imagine that's any better for you than not peeing. These articles never say, though...

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    11. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by amuro98 · · Score: 1

      More likely it shocked them into realizing the same thing could happen to them, and they left to get something to eat, stretch, etc.

      I'll bet some never return, having been "scared straight" as it were.

    12. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by Babbster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, there are a couple of big factors that can cause problems. One, as I wondered about in my OP, is the possibility of chemicals used to stay awake. I don't know what the situation is like in China, so I can't even begin to make an educated guess as to the availability of particular drugs there. And, indeed you're correct about the dangers of sitting in the same position for that long. You can develop a deep venous thrombosis in your leg that can then migrate to your lung, and at that point you're just about SOL unless you can get medical attention quickly. This danger can be magnified by dehydration, which is a possible third problem as 3 days without enough water intake (and, obviously, other nutrition) can result in electrolyte abnormalities, which can also be life-threatening, causing things like kidney failure.

      You're right that staying conscious (or, at least, semi-conscious) for 3 days isn't a life-threatening problem by itself. It's the lack of movement, lack of hydration, etc. that can put you into the dirt (or the crematorium, YMMV).

    13. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is not the same staying awake as staying awake and playing games, I bet the intencity of the game and visual stimulation had a big influence in the guy, I guess 3 days is as much as the nervous system can go without rest and with constant stimulation.

    14. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by sjames · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't blame the staff. They can easily enough be forgiven if they each individually thought to themselves "Is that guy still here? He was here when I went home yesterday....Nahhh, he must have left and come back". Someone actually gaming themselves to death is unusual enough that people won't tend to consider it. Many aren't aware that it's even possable.

      The one person who had every reason to know he was in a bad way is dead now.

    15. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by AncientPC · · Score: 1

      12 hours is not a considerably long gaming session, and students here in the CS department have been known to go for days without sleeping a few times during the semester (including myself).

    16. Re:Darwin for the Modern Era by Babbster · · Score: 1

      12 hours is not a considerably long gaming session

      12 hours is a very long gaming session if you don't get up and move around at all during that time. Further, the fact that you don't consider a full half-day "a considerably long gaming session" is indicative of a problem...
  8. But is it true? by cduffy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is coming from state-run media, it doesn't contain enough details for easy independent verification -- and the state has indicated that combating "Internet addiction" is one of its goals.

    There's a lack of truthiness here.

    1. Re:But is it true? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a lack of truthiness here.

      No, there is an overabundance of truthiness here. What's lacking is truthfulness.

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    2. Re:But is it true? by sam0737 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have seen youths died/fainted/got heart attack for playing MMORPG (or other game like Diablo) for N hours/days straight and those did made newspapers headline.

      It's not unimaginable that it happened in a Cyber Cafe, it certainly does happen and will happen.

    3. Re:But is it true? by ptelligence · · Score: 2, Informative

      I guess there's also a risk of pulmonary embolism with players sitting still for so long.

    4. Re:But is it true? by cduffy · · Score: 1

      If there were enough truthiness, we wouldn't be questioning the story's truthfulness... would we?

    5. Re:But is it true? by querist · · Score: 1

      I see no reason not to believe it.

      What would the Chinese media or the Chinese Government gain from this?

      There's no reason to release details. It would only embarass the gamer's family. Having an addiction is a weakness, and the media did (IMHO) the right thing in not releasing the gamer's name. There is no reason to shame the gamer or the gamer's family.

      Also, if the Chinese Government wanted, they could easily impose a curfew on Internet cafes such as the curfews that are imposed on bars in the USA. In many states they are required to close after a certain time, such as 2AM or 4AM and not reopen again until something like 10AM or noon. It would be very easy to impose such a curfew and require that the facility remain closed for a period of at least 6 or 8 consecutive hours out of each 24 hour period, though exceptions could be granted for tournements, etc.

      The Chinese government are serious about battling this sort of thing, but as you can see they are not going to resort to a knee-jerk reaction and start shutting everything down. They are trying to find a proper balance.

      I'm sorry, cduffy, I do not see a conspiracy here. I respect your opinion, and I can see how you arrived at it, but from my experience and what I have learned about China from my Chinese friends I do not see a conspiracy here.

      -Q

    6. Re:But is it true? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The very definition of 'truthiness' is "this is the truth because I say it is" (see Colbert Report, S01E01). That is exactly what is going on here, and of which you say there is a lack of. 'Truthiness' is not synonymous with 'truthfulness'--it is the antithesis of it.

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    7. Re:But is it true? by cduffy · · Score: 1

      I don't allege conspiracy. I sited a lack of "truthiness" (the quality of sounding true) rather than a lack of truthfulness (the quality of actually being true). I have no information on which to base any claims as to the truthfulness of this news story; truthiness, on the other hand, anyone can judge.

    8. Re:But is it true? by cduffy · · Score: 1

      Nuh-uh. I've watched my Colbert as well -- and the very definition of 'truthiness' is, as phrased by Wikipedia, 'things that a person claims to know intuitively or "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or actual facts'.

      If it were intuitive enough to seem like this were true, we would not be questioning its actual truth, would we?

    9. Re:But is it true? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      And yet in that same Wikipedia article, Colbert himself said in an interview, "Truthiness is 'What I say is right, and [nothing] anyone else says could possibly be true.' It's not only that I feel it to be true, but that I feel it to be true. There's not only an emotional quality, but there's a selfish quality." What the actual truth is is totally irrelevant. In this case, the state-run media is saying "This is what happened" and that's the end of the story. This is as close to truthiness as you can get.

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    10. Re:But is it true? by Darth · · Score: 1

      'Truthiness' is not synonymous with 'truthfulness'--it is the antithesis of it.

      I wouldn't say it's the antithesis of truthfulness. It is possible for someone to take a dogmatic position that turns out to actually be true.

      I think truthiness is more the antithesis of reason.

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    11. Re:But is it true? by fm6 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, you're right to doubt the honesty and motives of the China's state media. But the fact is, people do die of game addiction. An ISP where I used to work used to host LAN parties. One guy showed up who'd already been awake for a couple days. I'm told he played for 36 hours straight. Then he got up, walked out into the parking lot and collapsed. Dead before anybody could help him.

      It's lucky for me I suck at hand-eye coordination things. So no FPS marathons for me. Even so, I had to smash all my Civilization and Rise of Nations discs.

      I notice a lot of people taged this story "darwinaward". Smug assholes. Like they never did anything stupid, compulsive, or self-destructive.

    12. Re:But is it true? by illegalcortex · · Score: 1

      The Chinese government has every reason in the world to make it up. One of the major worries of the powers that be in China is the internet and it's ability to connect their citizens with those of other countries in a free and open social space. Have you not seen the plethora of other news reports where they have tried to put a stop to this? Fearmongering over the dangers of internet gaming fits into an anti-MMORPG propaganda strategy quite nicely. They don't currently have the resources to effectively police internet gaming or internet use in general, so they have to supplement what control they do have with propaganda.

    13. Re:But is it true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In all truthfulness, I fail to see the truthiness in your post.

    14. Re:But is it true? by p3d0 · · Score: 1

      It's not only that I feel it to be true, but that I feel it to be true. Thanks for clearing that up.

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    15. Re:But is it true? by afabbro · · Score: 2, Funny
      For God's sake, the two of your are arguing about a word made up by a television comedian.

      Go outdoors. Now.

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    16. Re:But is it true? by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      I can believe that. I once coded for 53 hours straight. Once you get past 35 or so, it seems like you can go forever, as long as somebody will get you more coffee. But you know, I also felt very .. surreal .., and had a hard time breathing and my heart beat 10,000 times a minute all during the trip from the computer chair to wherever it was I slept. It wasn't my house, that was too far away. I actually got lost and forgot where I was, all I could see was emacs.

      In unrelated hilarity, that code still runs, without so much as a recompile, nearly ten years later.

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    17. Re:But is it true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's lucky for me I suck at hand-eye coordination things. So no FPS marathons for me. Even so, I had to smash all my Civilization and Rise of Nations discs.

      What are you, retarded? Some guy stays awake for at least 84 hours straight (couple of days = 48 + 36hrs at your LAN party) and dies and you decide the correct action to take is to smash your video games? Congratulations, you've really protected yourself from the mysteriously dangerous world of video games!

      How's this for an idea, though... DON'T STAY AWAKE FOR 84 HOURS STRAIGHT! Do you know how hard it is to stay awake that long, anyways? He was probably loaded up on stimulants. Just avoid the pep pills and try to get some sleep every couple of days and you'll be fine.

      I'm sorry if this sounds really rude, but I just don't know how else to respond. Smashing your video games was probably the most illogical and stupid reaction anyone could have possibly had. Actually, I take that back. You could have smashed your computer and moved to Pennsylvania to live with the Amish. But I guess if you did that you couldn't have posted about it on Slashdot.

      Knee jerk reactionists like you are what distract public attention away from the real dangers of stimulant abuse with simplistic luddite fear mongering.

    18. Re:But is it true? by querist · · Score: 1

      I will concede that point in that your statements discussing a lack of "truthiness", etc., appeared to me that you were implying conspiracy. Mea culpa.

      -Q

    19. Re:But is it true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was going to write a "You must be new here..." post, but then I saw your UID. Instead, I'm going to go with "Get with the times old man."

    20. Re:But is it true? by querist · · Score: 1

      I have several friends in China with whom I communicate on a daily basis via the Internet. I am sorry, but I do not see this fear of which you speak. We discuss just about any topic we wish, in a free and open discussion. They also have done wonders for my ability to use their language, and I hope that I have helped them with their English.

      I do not believe that the Chinese government fears the internet. I think that it is concerned for its citizens and wants to exercise the controls that it feels are appropriate. BEFORE YOU START FLAMING ME, keep in mind that the USA prohibits certain things on the Internet that are legal in other jurisdictions.

      Again, I feel that it would be easy for the Chinese government to control Internet gaming as you have suggested, but I do not believe that they intend to do that to the extent that your post implies.

      It would be very easy to impose a curfew on Internet cafes and solve the problem. I feel they are taking their time to find a moderate approach.

      -Q

    21. Re:But is it true? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      The worst one I ever remember...I fell asleep in my car, parked in front of my apartment building. I'd managed to get back to the place, but I couldn't get up the energy to get out of the car. Slept there for 7 hours; someone eventually called the police.

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    22. Re:But is it true? by SL+Baur · · Score: 1

      I think you mean deep vein thrombosis http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000156.htm

    23. Re:But is it true? by Fozzyuw · · Score: 1

      For God's sake, the two of your are arguing about a word made up by a television comedian.

      Go outdoors. Now.

      Come'on. That was more entertaining than TFA.

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    24. Re:But is it true? by illegalcortex · · Score: 1

      I do not believe that the Chinese government fears the internet. I think that it is concerned for its citizens and wants to exercise the controls that it feels are appropriate.
      Do you even bother to keep up with the news? There are so many instances of Chinese censorship both on the Internet (when they can control it) and in the media in China that it boggles my mind you could actually type that with a straight face. And to claim that since it's illegal in the US to (for example) host a porn site with 16 year old girls that would be legal elsewhere, the US is just the same as China is fairly ludicrous.
    25. Re:But is it true? by amuro98 · · Score: 1

      I'd say it's darwinaward-worthy.

      It may not have been as quick as many of the other awardees' deaths, but let's think about this:

      This guy basically didn't move for 3 days while he played a game or otherwise used a computer.

      Sure, I've played games for long periods of time too. The longest I went was 14 hours straight, with only a couple of bathroom breaks. No food or water. Eventually, I realized I had a massive headache from dehydration, and felt really naueous due to lack of food. I stumbled into the kitchen to make some food and drink some water. After that, I made a point to get up and move around every 2-3 hours, and always make sure I have water available.

      Back in college, I used to work at the campus computing centers. During spring break one year, this one girl came in, and...didn't...leave... Yes, she spent the whole break - 9 days - playing some online game, only leaving her computer to go to the bathroom or get something out of the vending machine (which she would quickly scarf down before coming back in - at least she followed the rules about no food/drink in the lab.)

      Afterwards, we had to throw out that chair, keyboard and mouse. Some stains and smells never come out...

      There wasn't any rule against what she did, and it wasn't as though the center was busy or anything so we had no reason to kick her out. I think afterwards, however, there were some policy changes.

    26. Re:But is it true? by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Maybe my problem is with the whole "darwin award" attitude. It's a way of asserting that you're way smarter than the person you're talking about, and would never do something so stupid. What's stupid is underestimating your own capacity for stupidity.

    27. Re:But is it true? by DeepZenPill · · Score: 1

      Yeah but we obviously haven't done anything stupid enough to die from... yet.

    28. Re:But is it true? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Ever heard the saying "everything happens in India". China is bigger than that. I wouldn't dismiss it as false even if it is being used as an excuse to push an agenda.

    29. Re:But is it true? by Babbster · · Score: 1

      A deep vein thrombosis isn't going to kill you on its own, or quickly. It's when it takes a trip up to your lungs and becomes...a pulmonary embolus...that it's truly deadly. SOP for someone found to have a DVT is to do a ventilation-perfusion lung scan to find out if they have a pulmonary embolus since the latter often comes after the former.

    30. Re:But is it true? by SL+Baur · · Score: 1

      I saw 602's later posting and I stand corrected.

  9. Right up there with Fan Death by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

    Go Korea! hehehehe

    Maybe this is China's way of making using the Interweb "scary?"

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  10. Wonder why.. by BosstonesOwn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    we always see this stuff coming out of countries in Asia , are they that fanatical about these games ?

    I mean geez I have hard enough time playing xbox for more then an hour without having to at least get a bottle of water. How do they do it ?

    Do you think when he died he dropped any loot ?

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    1. Re:Wonder why.. by mark-t · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, it *IS* the most populated place in the world... racial differences notwithstanding, statistically the odds are that for any given random human trait, you are most likely to find it there in the highest quantity.

    2. Re:Wonder why.. by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      we always see this stuff coming out of countries in Asia , are they that fanatical about these games ?

      60% of the world's population is Asian. For any given strange occurrence, odds are it happened to an Asian, by weight of numbers alone.

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    3. Re:Wonder why.. by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      > Do you think when he died he dropped any loot ?

      LOL .. love it.

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    4. Re:Wonder why.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, check out the Korean online community some time. Those guys (along with the Chinese and Japanese) are freaking nuts for the online gaming stuff for some reason. There are all kinds of wacky online games and huge numbers of people play them nonstop. I'm guessing something about their cultures makes them really open up to this type of interaction or something. Their societies tend to promote repressed emotions (you mean nothing, work for the good of the whole, etc) so maybe online socializing is a good way to act out on the feelings they can't express in real life.

      Or maybe it's just something else. I know they seem to really like electronic/physical skill based games like DDR and similar.

    5. Re:Wonder why.. by Vexor · · Score: 1

      They have a catheter installed. As for eating, bringing 2-3 bags of chips and a 24 pack of mountain dew and you have a recipe for death.

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    6. Re:Wonder why.. by everphilski · · Score: 1

      Heh. Sounds like my tech support days. I used to down a 12 pack of Mountain Dew and a meal (generally not a very healthy one ... ) every 8 hour shift.

    7. Re:Wonder why.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we always see this stuff coming out of countries in Asia , are they that fanatical about these games ?


      Teens and young adults have a tendency to be unbalanced and given to excess wherever they are. In many Asian countries the culture is very conservative and gaming is the only social outlet young men have, thus they overdo it.

      On the other hand in the U.S. the number of alcohol related deaths is off the charts (beyond the obvious drinking and driving... Alcohol poisoning from drinking far too much in a short period of time is a very American phenomenon.)

    8. Re:Wonder why.. by sootman · · Score: 2, Funny

      As A. Whitney Brown said on Saturday Night Live when China reach a population of one billion: "Even if you're a one-in-a-million kind of person, there's still a thousand people just like you."

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    9. Re:Wonder why.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we lot of humans were a homogeneous bag of DNA, yes that would be true. But we know from both empirical and statistical exercises there to exist differences between human populations. This is not to suggest different species of human exist, but it the idea of race places heavily, if unpopularly to the current political sensitivities of some communities, in both interobserver correlation, which we cannot fully quantify or qualify, and predispostion (or predominance, in a more risky sort of wording) to certain traits.

      To recreate a classic example, if I tell you an individual's name is Chinese, you can with not a drop of ill-will guess this individual has strait, black (or formerly so) hair and an epicantic fold about the eyes. Surely you are saying at this point I have proved you right, but you would be incorrect for, in the case of 'black skin', a pure population-based count would not point to China, nor would the trait of 'not-having-black-skin' point to China - neither in numbers nor percentage!

      Be wary how you apply what seems insightful, for all too often it does not withstand the harsh daylight of inspection.

    10. Re:Wonder why.. by calebt3 · · Score: 1

      It's because they have the bandwidth to make it fun and no Fair Use Policy!

    11. Re:Wonder why.. by Craig+Davison · · Score: 1

      12 cans a day? Did you manage to avoid diabetes or morbid obesity?

    12. Re:Wonder why.. by kalaf · · Score: 1

      I've played games for at least 24 hours before my first bathroom break, and I can easily go without food for a couple days (games or not, I just forget to eat sometimes). Water is a tricky issue though. After 24 hours, you really should start drinking again (and maybe think about going to sleep). I think you can only survive for a couple days before dehydration starts to really affect your system.

      I went for about 5 days without sleep while I was in High School (note: not a good idea to drive at this point...) without coffee, pop, etc. I had a friend go for a full week using "alertness" pills...

      I really don't think either of us were close to death, although in our cases we were still eating proper meals, getting a limited amount of exercise, etc. We were also both in pretty good shape. Obviously I don't know all the details, but just playing a game for 3 days really shouldn't be enough to kill someone unless they aren't eating or are only eating nutrition free garbage...

    13. Re:Wonder why.. by everphilski · · Score: 1

      Yup... granted I'm only 25, but I'm around 170lbs and over 6' tall, healthy BMI by any means. I bike over 3 miles a day towing 50lbs worth of kids in a pull-behind kid carrier, so I get a workout. Back when I was 'doing the dew' I biked to work most days, about 10 miles round trip ... same height, weighed about 150lbs... so actually as I decreased my intake I gained weight :P

      I'm down to about 1-3 cans a day now :)

    14. Re:Wonder why.. by SL+Baur · · Score: 1

      Alcohol poisoning from drinking far too much in a short period of time is a very American phenomenon.) You've never ridden a commuter train in Japan on a weekend night (and seen kids vomiting in the station, or had to swerve around all the puddles of vomit on the floor). Overdoing alcohol is very much a phenomenon of Japanese college life and later life as a salaryman for that matter.
    15. Re:Wonder why.. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you missed the part where I said "racial differences notwithstanding...".

  11. And I thought ... by thewiz · · Score: 1

    "game 'til you drop" was just a euphimism!

    Seriously, what makes people drive themselves to die from exhaustion like this?
    Looks like addiction to me.

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    1. Re:And I thought ... by BosstonesOwn · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ahh greatest lines EVER !!! Half Baked !

      Cocaine Addict: Marijuana is not a drug. I used to suck dick for coke. Now that's an addiction. You ever suck some dick for marijuana?

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    2. Re:And I thought ... by nelsonal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd guess it's one of two things, either he's earning money by farming loot and if he logs/leaves he will reduce his income substantially (because someone else will get his location or it takes a long time to reach). Or he's really just on the receiving end of a variable schedule reward system and he misses the dopamine hits too much to leave.

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  12. Another one bites the dust by blooooooper · · Score: 0

    "WOW."

    1. Re:Another one bites the dust by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

      You mean the WOW Starts Now?

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    2. Re:Another one bites the dust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if this fellow was homeless and/or jobless, and turned to gaming in cyber cafe's for solace? In asia, those things are super cheap, and their's tons of 'em everywhere you look, and they're all 24/7. If you're too proud to beg, you could just spend then night there.

      Just sayin.

  13. This could have been avoided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    This wouldn't have happened if he had been running Linux.

    1. Re:This could have been avoided by azenpunk · · Score: 1

      nah, he'd just wine about being exhausted

      (i swear i created this account with the intent of making insightful remarks, not just jokes.)

  14. The problem with today's youth is ... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is precisely the problem with the youth of today compared to my Great Generation. Just one gamer kicks the bucket and 100 others run away from the scene scared. Come on guys, show some courage. Show some sticktoitiveness.

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    1. Re:The problem with today's youth is ... by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1

      This is precisely the problem with the youth of today compared to my Great Generation. Just one gamer kicks the bucket and 100 others run away from the scene scared. Come on guys, show some courage. Show some sticktoitiveness.
      Yeah, back in my day, kids would play on a pogo stick until they dropped dead. They played on the pogo stick in three feet of snow snow, uphill, both ways! And when you tell kids that today, they never believe you.
    2. Re:The problem with today's youth is ... by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      I bet the truth is, a few of the gamers left the scene, the others immediately started fighting over his computer (which was likely still logged in) to see who could get his items and gold sent to their toons first.

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    3. Re:The problem with today's youth is ... by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Show some sticktoitiveness.
      Dude, we spend all our time playing games because we lack "sticktoitiveness"!
    4. Re:The problem with today's youth is ... by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 1
      kids would play on a pogo stick until they dropped dead

      And we liked it! We loved it! Higgity-piggity-poo! Look at me, I'm a pogo-sticking, drop-deading jackass!

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  15. Mod parent up by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2

    Thsi is a very good point. Given the difficulties of controlling what people acess over the Internet, perhaps it's easier to just start subtly demonizing the whole thing.

  16. Linux games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    So true, not enough Linux games to play for 3 days straight. GO LINUX!

    1. Re:Linux games by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With xmame, I have thousands of classic arcade games at my fingertips. That's enough games to play for years without a break. I think that's more than enough games for anyone.

      No, they may not be the latest fancy 3D games, but classic games have something the latest games totally lack: gameplay.

    2. Re:Linux games by the_humeister · · Score: 1

      No, they may not be the latest fancy 3D games, but classic games have something the latest games totally lack: gameplay. Modern games have plenty of "gameplay" (which is itself a rather meaningless term). Halo vs. Joust. Guildwars vs. Q*bert. I know what I would pick.

  17. He was playing... by Skiron · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...minesweeper on Vista. It takes like 4 hours a click to actually do anything.

  18. Mega Kill!!! by Cedric+Tsui · · Score: 5, Funny

    Double Kill
    Multi Kill
    Mega Kill!
    ULTRA KILL!!
    M-m-m-monster Kill.
    LUDACRIS KILL!
    H O L Y S H I T!

    R E A L I T Y KILL!!!!!

    1. Re:Mega Kill!!! by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 4, Informative

      LUDACRIS KILL!

      There's no evidence he's ever done that. "Ludacris" is a rapper. "Ludicrous" is the adjective you want.

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    2. Re:Mega Kill!!! by pimpimpim · · Score: 3, Funny

      And even worse, he forgot 'wicked sick'!

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    3. Re:Mega Kill!!! by Sosarian · · Score: 1

      In some ways it's funnier that way though.

    4. Re:Mega Kill!!! by Chr0me · · Score: 1

      "Ludicrous" is the adjective you want. Only if you want the kill to go plaid.
    5. Re:Mega Kill!!! by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      and "Godlike".

  19. Microsoft Vista Prevents this Problem by 517714 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The (lack of) stability of the Operating System prevents running a computer for such marathon sessions.

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    1. Re:Microsoft Vista Prevents this Problem by HerculesMO · · Score: 1

      Maybe you just suck at computers.

      My Vista PC hums along just as nicely as my Ubuntu machine, although I do reboot Vista more often.

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    2. Re:Microsoft Vista Prevents this Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a feature.

    3. Re:Microsoft Vista Prevents this Problem by Coppit · · Score: 1

      I know that you're joking, but the sad thing is that it's no joke. Windows 95 would hang after 49.7 days of continuous operation. What really gets me is that the bug was discovered 4 years after the OS was released. (Note the date on the KB article.) Apparently no one, including Microsoft, thought an uptime of less than two months was abnormal.

      More analysis is here. BTW, Microsoft says your computer may hang. I suspect rather that it will hang.

    4. Re:Microsoft Vista Prevents this Problem by L0rdJedi · · Score: 1

      What really gets me is that the bug was discovered 4 years after the OS was released. (Note the date on the KB article.) Apparently no one, including Microsoft, thought an uptime of less than two months was abnormal.

      Or, no one ever bothered to keep a workstation on that long, so the bug wasn't discovered until that time. Windows 95 was not designed as a server OS. Hence, an uptime of more than a day (how many people really leave their computers running 24/7?) wasn't necessary.

    5. Re:Microsoft Vista Prevents this Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the long reboot times would put even a speed addict to sleep!

    6. Re:Microsoft Vista Prevents this Problem by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Based on my experience with W95, I'm surprised they ever discovered this bug. 8 hours of uptime was rare.

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  20. Doesn't happen here? by king-manic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm an Asian gamer with a mild addiction to warcraft 3. I don't understand how Asia can have a few of these incidents and the west has so none.Is there a distinct cultural difference to explain this? Or is it just statistic's? There i about 2.5 billion people in Asia proper vs 1 billion in all of the west. I don't understand how addiction is going to force you to sleep or drink or eat. I suppose I don't understand because all of my addictions are mild and state endorsed (women, video games, food, and tea).

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    1. Re:Doesn't happen here? by plalonde2 · · Score: 1

      Um, in the west we do autopsies, and usually figure out the dead person had a pre-existing condition. And then it stops being news.

    2. Re:Doesn't happen here? by vidarlo · · Score: 4, Funny

      I suppose I don't understand because all of my addictions are mild and state endorsed (women, video games, food, and tea).
      Excuse me sir, but I regret to tell you that you're quite addicted to food. Withdrawal will include death and unpleasantness.
    3. Re:Doesn't happen here? by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      My guess is that there are no 24 hour internet cafes in the West that's why no one dies. If you're forced to go home you can't play three days straight. With that said you could just play at home I guess... ..Doesn't the guy have a job or something?

    4. Re:Doesn't happen here? by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm an Asian gamer with a mild addiction to warcraft 3. I don't understand how Asia can have a few of these incidents and the west has so none.Is there a distinct cultural difference to explain this? Or is it just statistic's? There i about 2.5 billion people in Asia proper vs 1 billion in all of the west. I don't understand how addiction is going to force you to sleep or drink or eat. I suppose I don't understand because all of my addictions are mild and state endorsed (women, video games, food, and tea).


      Perhaps we have a lot less to escape from.
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    5. Re:Doesn't happen here? by king-manic · · Score: 4, Funny

      I suppose I don't understand because all of my addictions are mild and state endorsed (women, video games, food, and tea).

      Excuse me sir, but I regret to tell you that you're quite addicted to food. Withdrawal will include death and unpleasantness. Meh.. I can quit any time I want to.
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    6. Re:Doesn't happen here? by eebra82 · · Score: 1

      I don't understand how Asia can have a few of these incidents and the west has so none. The keyword is a few. You can't start thinking of physiological or social differences and base it on a handful of incidents if you have such a large number of "computer addicts". And frankly, there may be undocumented victims in the U.S. too.
    7. Re:Doesn't happen here? by Bellum+Aeternus · · Score: 1
      Being an American who has lived in Asia and is an avid gamer my answer to your question: I have no freak'n idea. American (western) gamers play about as much as Asian gamers. I'd estimate extreme gamers probably play about 4-6 hours a day in reality (not me, I only wish I had that kind of spare time). The only difference I see is that in Asia it's usually in an Internet Cafe with smoke so think you'd think the building was on fire. Hey, maybe that's it! Smoke inhalation kills! News at eleven.

      The other option is one another person posted above: it's all BS/propaganda by the state looking to get "lazy" gamers back to work.

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    8. Re:Doesn't happen here? by king-manic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Perhaps we have a lot less to escape from.

      I don't know, my cousin in guangzhou has a life similar to mine. Wake up, work 8-10 h at a tech shop. Go home spend a few hours with the GF. game. Sleep. Except I get 1 more day off a week, My overtime is optional and infrequent, and my GF is hotter although his is very cute too. Life isn't so bad in the parts of china I visited (shanghai, beijing, guangzhou, HK, Macau, Xin Hua).

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    9. Re:Doesn't happen here? by happyemoticon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In my experience, Asian gamers take it a helluva lot more seriously. I used to play SC2 against my roommate. I just wanted to pick it up and play every once in a while, and learn a few tricks. I could beat almost anybody else on the floor. My roommate, though, his goal was to become a monster. And so we were pretty competitive for a few months, and then I lost interest in improving while he just kept at it. He became nigh-unbeatable. It was pretty much the same deal with respect to CounterStrike and two other Asian guys in the building or Starcraft and another set of people who liked that or whatever else we were playing back then.

      As for whether this applies to general work ethic, or sports, or arts, I'm not so sure, but it seems very true of gaming.

    10. Re:Doesn't happen here? by CodyRazor · · Score: 0

      I'm an Asian gamer


      lol.


      I know I know, flamebait etc..
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    11. Re:Doesn't happen here? by king-manic · · Score: 1



      In my experience, Asian gamers take it a helluva lot more seriously. I used to play SC2 against my roommate. I just wanted to pick it up and play every once in a while, and learn a few tricks. I could beat almost anybody else on the floor. My roommate, though, his goal was to become a monster. And so we were pretty competitive for a few months, and then I lost interest in improving while he just kept at it. He became nigh-unbeatable. It was pretty much the same deal with respect to CounterStrike and two other Asian guys in the building or Starcraft and another set of people who liked that or whatever else we were playing back then.

      As for whether this applies to general work ethic, or sports, or arts, I'm not so sure, but it seems very true of gaming.


      Perhaps. But I was briefly top 20 in 2v2 in warcraft. I don't game 3 days straight. I couldn't even imagine that. My partner was top 10 for arranged 2v2 for a while and he's a very aggressive but well rounded individual.

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    12. Re:Doesn't happen here? by archen · · Score: 1

      People in the west die of crazy shit all the time. But if there is any media attention it is typically a footnote in the local news. Generally I'm willing to bet someone in North America has already died of exhaustion here, it just wasn't highly publicized - most likely because every extreme gamer I've ever known or heard of was able to lock themselves in a room. I've never seen anyone do extreme sessions in an internet cafe in North America and I'm sure if someone did drop dead in front of 100 other people who happened to be there you would hear a lot more about it.

    13. Re:Doesn't happen here? by EarwigTC · · Score: 1

      I completely understand how people could die from Warcraft 3. Unlike a purely reflexive shooter, it takes cognitive processing as well. After a 1v1, I feel the stress all over my body, and at the same time the urge to trigger the dopamine again. You would think an MMO would offer enough opportunity to pause and the hunger and fatigue would take over, so I don't understand spiraling into death playing those.

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    14. Re:Doesn't happen here? by everphilski · · Score: 1

      I have no freak'n idea.

      Stamina.

      (queues up "Cake - The Distance.mp3")

    15. Re:Doesn't happen here? by DreadSpoon · · Score: 1

      We have quite a few problems. Mostly things like parents who neglect their children to game.

      In part, though, online gaming with things like MMOs are just less popular here. The online games that most Americans play are FPS games (eg Halo), which aren't the game of kind you find any need to play for three days straight - the game is made up of short rounds, and there is no carry over of gear or experience between rounds, and the game is far too fast paced to use it as a meaningful social experience.

      We also have a legal system in which a shop owner that allowed a man to stay in his cafe for three days straight could be sued for negligence, just like a bartender who serves too many drinks allowing a man to drink himself to death can be held legally accountable. If Internet cafe owners were told that they'd be fined or jailed for allowing people to play more than X hours in their cafe, I bet they'd start cutting people off and saving (a small handful) of lives.

    16. Re:Doesn't happen here? by Minwee · · Score: 1

      In my experience Asian gaming culture is more focused around going out to Internet Cafés and consuming mass quantities of whatever the owner is selling while gaming. North American gamers tend to stay at home in their parents' basements and smell of cat-ass instead.

      The chances of a western gamer's mom spiking his Pepsi with speed so that he will keep gaming (and paying) for a few more hours is pretty low, all things considered. For a more fair comparison look at how many North Americans go out to bars, get messed up and then don't make it home the next morning.

      It's not so much gaming that is the problem as it is the excuse to go out and abuse your body for a while.

    17. Re:Doesn't happen here? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I'll confess to being a little fecitious. I haven't heard of anybody dying in my part of the world, but I know of a few people I call mushrooms, who basically don't shower, shave or anything like that for many days on end. They eat and do sleep, though their sleep habits are pretty off (basically a day-night inversion, where they sleep most of the day and stay up most of the night).

      Frankly, I don't think it has anything to do with Asians vs. Westerners. It's clearly an addictive behavior, so I suspect it's a personality issue, not a geographical or cultural one.

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    18. Re:Doesn't happen here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and my GF is hotter

      Really? How can you tell?

    19. Re:Doesn't happen here? by happyemoticon · · Score: 1

      Well, yeah, obviously these people you hear about dying are taking it way overboard. I don't think anybody needs to play like that to become very skilled, or even the best of the best. My roommate got as good as he did playing a few hours a day. My work ethic in any area has always been that there's a limit to human endurance. There's a point beyond which more practice isn't going to make you get much better, and a point at which you become tired, and therefore sloppy. It happens with sports, with gaming, with coding, with everything.

    20. Re:Doesn't happen here? by KenAndCorey · · Score: 1

      I know of a few people I call mushrooms, who basically don't shower, shave or anything like that for many days on end.
      Sounds like me, but my excuse is having two young children and a full-time job.
    21. Re:Doesn't happen here? by Maltheus · · Score: 1

      Dying in a cafe makes it easier to identify a connection. I imagine this does happen over here though. However it likely gets recorded as something else.

      I'm a binge gamer. I can go months without playing and then go off the deep end in a single weekend. Those binge weekends involve me getting up at 7 in the morning and playing some RTS until 11 at night. Let me tell you, that come 11pm, I am not healthy. I don't think it has as much to do with the game as much as it has to do with forgetting to eat and drink all day. I can quite literally get the shakes after a day like that. I have always assumed that was due to dehydration, but who knows.

      I've since learned to watch myself more closely. Or at least, I'll try to stop before 9pm so that I can get some dinner in me and wind down some. And I only do that a few times a year, otherwise I'd be in real bad shape. Anything taken to excess is bad, but it's so easy to forget to take a break when all you have to do is sit in a chair and point and click all day. It's easy for me to believe these stories.

    22. Re:Doesn't happen here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never heard of a thermometer? Duh.

    23. Re:Doesn't happen here? by HungWeiLo · · Score: 1

      Have you been to a casino? It doesn't matter if you are in Asia, the UK, Monaco, the U.S., Canada, wherever. A significant, if not majority of the players will be of Asian origin. Maybe Asians (east Asians in this case) have a genetic disposition to be more susceptible to addiction?

      OK. I'm going to take the rest of the day off and play civ.

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    24. Re:Doesn't happen here? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I used to play SC2 against my roommate. Hey man, can I borrow your time machine? Cool, thanks!
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    25. Re:Doesn't happen here? by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Time for a fat joke!

      Q: How do you know your girlfriend is too fat?
      A: When she sits on your face, you can't hear the music anymore!

    26. Re:Doesn't happen here? by teh_chrizzle · · Score: 1

      Meh.. I can quit any time I want to.

      me too. i just don't want to.

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    27. Re:Doesn't happen here? by dvice_null · · Score: 1

      > I don't understand how Asia can have a few of these incidents and the west has so none.Is there a distinct cultural difference to explain this?

      Could it be money? I think that Asia has bigger percent of poor people than the West. I think that majority of the deaths have happened in Internet cafes. Those are used by people who don't own their own computer and connection so they proparly aren't that rich (for example in my country, even those who don't have a job, usually have computers). This could simply mean that the people who died were too poor to eat properly or visit the doctor often enough. Or they simply try to make money from the game and therefore push their limits.

    28. Re:Doesn't happen here? by teh_chrizzle · · Score: 1

      People in the west die of crazy shit all the time.

      well, for every asian that we hear about dying in a cafe, there are 5 rednecks in the US that die from doing something stupid while drinking (hunting, driving, setting shit on fire, running from the cops). in fact, doing something stupid and nearly killing yourself seems like the national past time.

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      1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
    29. Re:Doesn't happen here? by SL+Baur · · Score: 1

      In my experience Asian gaming culture is more focused around going out to Internet Cafés My only real experience in that area is in the Philippines. Nearly everyone does not have internet access or a computer at home, so that's the only way kids can play. Children playing games and young women trolling dating websites are the internet cafe owner's bread and butter (there are others, but they're statistically negligible, with kids playing games being by far the most lucrative demographic). Most of the rules focus on keeping all seats full (profit margins are extremely low) and it is much cheaper (for example) to game for five or six hours straight at a time than for a shorter amount of time.

      That being said, the number of deaths by WoW are zero because most internet cafe owners are too stupid to provide the most popular game in computer history. I suppose that may be considered a good thing.
    30. Re:Doesn't happen here? by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      While it is only my personal opinion, I would surmise that it has something to do with the relative lack of a strong cultural imperative against failure here in the United States, or at least no to the extent or consequence that it exists in Asian cultures. In fact, we in the United States idealize and lionize the risk takers and entrepreneurs, even when they fail, for their rugged individualism, freedom, and willingness to go their own way rather than conform to what the system expects of the average person. This cultural imperative is deeply seeded into the American psyche, especially among males (but females as well), as part of a long tradition of pioneers and risk takers who drove themselves to succeed in spite of failures and setbacks encountered along the way.

      Now contrast this with the Asian cultural imperative to succeed but also to regard failure as shameful in that it causes one to lose face in the eyes of ones peers or social equals and, perhaps even worse, in the eyes of ones' subordinates or underlings. I have heard that it said that young men in Asian cultures, particularly the first born sons, are constantly and relentlessly pressured to succeed without failing or losing face along the way when in fact it is this very fear of failure that prevents many of them from achieving the successes to which they aspire. Is it any wonder then that some of them, finding the real world to difficult to deal with or success, whether that be academic, social, or monetary, seemingly impossible to attain, retreat excessively into the realm of fantasy where they can succeed and fail without being identified or stigmatized by those failures which they experienced along the way to their virtual success?

      Perhaps it is just me, but I have noticed this same dichotomy again and again in my dealings with foreign workers, especially those from the "face saving" cultures (India, Korea, and Japan).

    31. Re:Doesn't happen here? by kaizokuace · · Score: 1

      Withdrawal will include death and unpleasantness.

      Thats what they want you to think! Just get past the uncomfortable stage and you are scott free! You save a lot of money when you dont have to eat too! Its just hard to kick it since you have been doing this 'drug' since you were born.
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    32. Re:Doesn't happen here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm an Asian gamer with a mild addiction to warcraft 3. I don't understand how Asia can have a few of these incidents and the west has so none. Is there a distinct cultural difference to explain this?

      We have booze and you have Blizzard games.

    33. Re:Doesn't happen here? by khallow · · Score: 1

      My take is that this guy's death had the advantage of a chinese media with an axe to grind. My take is that there are probably people in the West dying of the same thing, but as another poster noted, they didn't die publically and western governments aren't trying to scare people from computer gaming. In the US, the relative visibility of events leads to some bizarre circumstances like the kidnapping or disappearance of white daughters of wealthy families being far more visible (sometimes lingering in the media for months) than the equivalent for poor families of other ethnic backgrounds.

    34. Re:Doesn't happen here? by happyemoticon · · Score: 1

      Heh. When I first wrote that out, I included that he usually played Mitsurugi or Ivy, while I preferred Voldo or Astaroth, which would've made it more clear that I was refering to Soul Calibur 2. I decided to cut that information out for the sake of brevity.

    35. Re:Doesn't happen here? by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Western culture game addicts die in their basements and remain there unnoticed until the stench becomes unbearable for the family. By then the reason of death is unrecognizable.

      (srsly, internet cafes are far less of a business in the west - they are much more often just cafes with internet option... 100 people left the cafe? Huh? How did they fit in there? Average internet cafe is about 5-10 places!)

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    36. Re:Doesn't happen here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have a liquor store right across from a Dairy Queen, and a library with a public internet access spot at the end of the block. You can have your booze, blizzards and internet without having to drive. ;-)

    37. Re:Doesn't happen here? by KillaBeave · · Score: 1
      ... que Amy Winehouse ... (who looks quite anorexic (sp?) )

      They tried to make me eat a sandwich,

      I said, "No. No. NO!"

      *ducks

    38. Re:Doesn't happen here? by conc_dumper · · Score: 1

      This is indeed mind boggling. Have you ever noticed how many Chinese online users hang out in BBS and converse? I never seen users in the states having such a passion about BBS.

  21. Marathon session by Pojut · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    We had a week-long LAN party during the summer between 11th and 12th grade (wow...I know I'm still quite young only 23, but DAMN that feels like a long time ago) It was quite cool the way it worked. There were a total of about 20 people or so in this one dude's basement...we would essentially play in "shifts"...10 people or so would play for 3-5hours while the others slept. Rinse and repeat.

    That was a hell of a week.

    1. Re:Marathon session by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      We had a lan party summer after our senior year (23 also - represent) and only 15 people, but also 15 computers. More people (girlfriends, friends without computers - about 20 in all) would drift in and out for about three days, go see a movie/get food and come back. People slept on the floor when they were tired (typically 3am-10am), and gamed/socialized set shit on fire (hey, they were in high school)... but they still obeyed their bodily functions. You're an idiot to stay seated and play video games continiously for three days while you feel ill and eventually collapse and die.

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    2. Re:Marathon session by ccozan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Heh. In 1996 we got our university lab outfitted with 5 SUN machines. What did we do first? Put dgaDoom on them and played. We played for about 48 hours. It was crazy... With the exception of going to bathroom, we stayed and played deathmatches (!) one after another. We even hired the low-graders to bring us food and drinks :).

      Man, what times ...

    3. Re:Marathon session by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes I wonder where all the stereotypes for geeks come from since I never see anyone really going that far. Now I have my answer.

    4. Re:Marathon session by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rinse and repeat? I believe most LAN parties like that avoid any rinsing, or washing in general!

    5. Re:Marathon session by Pojut · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nonsense! We rinsed out the bongs twice a day during that week ;-)

  22. Exploited by the evil multinationals by mi · · Score: 1

    Obviously, the man was driven to death by the evil corporations dealing in virtual worlds' artifacts. His "gaming" was, in fact, earning a (hard) living. Just another casualty of America's insatiable corporate greed.

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  23. Not really an epidemic by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A lot more people die from sky diving every year, and I think most of us accept that sky diving is not an epidemic social problem.

    Real problems could include: chronic disease, car accidents, criminal violence, ...

    I think it's more of a problem that 100 people fled the scene than one guy dying from his compulsive personality disorder.

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    1. Re:Not really an epidemic by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Funny

      A lot more people die from sky diving every year, and I think most of us accept that sky diving is not an epidemic social problem.

      Hey, some people are addicted to computer games, some are addicted to gravity...

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    2. Re:Not really an epidemic by GrayCalx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, some people are addicted to computer games, some are addicted to gravity...

      I tried going off gravity cold turkey... I crashed hard.

      /I'm here all week... tip your mods.

    3. Re:Not really an epidemic by wanderingknight · · Score: 1

      A lot more people die from sky diving every year, and I think most of us accept that sky diving is not an epidemic social problem. No, but it's not something that can be done by everyone under every circumstance. A person too busy trying to gather up enough money to pay for his daily meal won't even think about sky diving. My point is that the choice of sky diving is (mostly) determined by your social background. So is the choice of gaming during three days straight.
    4. Re:Not really an epidemic by Dirtside · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My wife pointed out that the phrase "the leading cause of death" is one we need to be careful of, because it only tells you what caused the *most* deaths, not whether something causes an unacceptably large amount of deaths. (Yes, yes, what's an "acceptable death," bite me.) It came up in the context of neonatal deaths; she pointed out that one day, all causes of neonatal death will have been wiped out, and then one newborn will get eaten by a dingo and suddenly dingoes will be the "leading cause of death among newborns," and we'll have an uproar about dingo eradication...

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    5. Re:Not really an epidemic by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      A lot more people die from sky diving every year, and I think most of us accept that sky diving is not an epidemic social problem. Yeah, but a skydiver is asking for it. The computer geek is just sitting there, not doing anything. Yeah, I know the not doing anything is the problem but most people think he's not asking for it.
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    6. Re:Not really an epidemic by Kohath · · Score: 1

      I think it's more of a problem that 100 people fled the scene...

      Yeah. When someone dies nearby, it's usually sensible to crowd around the location he died. Perhaps you could also precisely mimic what he was doing at the time -- eat the food he was eating, smoke the cigarettes, drink the drinks, say the same things to the same people, etc. Right?

    7. Re:Not really an epidemic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gaming beats drowning your sorrows in alcohol. I'd rather have gamers begging for quarters for one more hit of Ms.Pac-Man than buying booze and crack.

      Sky divers are about 50% blue collar guys who spend every spare dollar and moment of time trying to get up in a plane and 50% rich kids who can actually afford the hobby. I'm not sure social background is really all that clear cut. I think it has a lot more to do with personal drive.

      I know if I were poor and depressed I wouldn't be gaming for 3 days straight, I'd be smoking, drinking and maybe gambling on illegal underground fights. Each to their own self-destructive path.

      I'm going to worry about people dying who actually give a fuck about themselves first. (my apologies to all the suicidal goth girls)

    8. Re:Not really an epidemic by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      When we have that problem we can deal with it then, your wife's concerns are premature. (no pun intended, because that would have just been so wrong)

      Why limit ourselves to being concerned about deaths though. There are plenty of problems people have that have massive impact on families and the economy. I'm sure the high number of people suffering from River Blindness has a detrimental effect on third-world economies, and certainly any compassionate person finds the situation completely unacceptable. Let's stop River Blindness first, before worrying about stupid people killing themselves with obsessive behavior. It's simply not high on my list of priorities of problems that desperately need a solution.

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    9. Re:Not really an epidemic by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      The word "fled" implies a lot to me, also if you RTFA they also used the word "fear". So running away from a (possibly) deceased person in fear seems pretty terrible to me. I'm not encouraging people to become amateur detectives and determine the cause and time of death. But I would think out of 100 people at least a couple might know some first-aid.

      My first instinct is to check his pulse, assuming someone already established that he's not just sleeping. In the context of a cybercafe, might be worthwhile to check his airway to see if it's blocked, I assume it's common for people to choke on food while at their computer. May also be good to move the person off the chair and lay them down, to that their blood might still have a chance to get to their brain in the situation where the heart is fibrillating. I have absolutely no medical training, but I think there are plenty of non-invasive things that people could have done.

      Obviously if you saw nothing, and people at the scene already are doing something about it. Then there is little need to stick around. If you saw something, probably a good idea to stick around to answer questions the paramedics and/or police may have.

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    10. Re:Not really an epidemic by __aahsjj4927 · · Score: 1

      But the important thing to consider is the difference between them. A lot of people expect sky divers to die or get injured when sky diving (after all, it is an extreme sport). However, very few people (if any) would expect someone to die from playing video games...

    11. Re:Not really an epidemic by Fex303 · · Score: 1

      I think it's more of a problem that 100 people fled the scene than one guy dying from his compulsive personality disorder.
      I think it would be more of a problem if the people had just sat back down and continued playing.

      'Fled in fear' is just media-speak for left the place since it was closed and were somewhat troubled by the fact that they had just seen someone die.

    12. Re:Not really an epidemic by eMbry00s · · Score: 1

      Because everybody knows that corpses smell great, and also that dead people can hold their bowels.

      Wait, shit, no. :(

    13. Re:Not really an epidemic by Dirtside · · Score: 1

      Her concern is extremely mature; specifically it's related to Group B streptococcus infections, which are the "leading cause of death" among neonates. However, the actual incidence of death is very low (1 per 10,000 live births), and yet because it's been touted as the "leading cause of death" in the obstetrics domain for several years, obstetrics practices are really uptight about it -- more so than is really necessary. This is the kind of thing she's talking about :)

      Anyway, just because there are worse problems in the world doesn't mean we can't tackle more than one of them at a time. Murder is no doubt a worse problem than vandalism, but we also devote resources to preventing vandalism and prosecuting vandals.

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    14. Re:Not really an epidemic by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Well maybe the should!

      What would have had an equally bad result is if he only played for 2 days straight and drove home, exhausted and sleepy and crashing on sugar and caffeine. I knew a few people who have drove when they shouldn't have and they aren't here anymore.

      People don't expect to die in the bathtub either, but it happens a lot and for a variety of reasons.

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  24. How appropriate by hansamurai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love the quote/proverb at the bottom of my comments:

    To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so.

  25. Oblig. joke by Cutriss · · Score: 1

    I know Bungie worked on Marathon, and it's a decent enough game, but certainly there are better games to kill yourself over...

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  26. Wimps by TW+Atwater · · Score: 1
    The report said that about 100 other Web surfers "left the cafe in fear after witnessing the man's death."

    Not very hard-core, were they?

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  27. The worst part... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    An hour later, he was hungry for life again.

  28. he should have left a note... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how does he expect to get a rez if the cleric can't find him...

  29. In other news today ... by u-235-sentinel · · Score: 3, Funny

    The State has confirmed today that it has struck a deal with Comcast to provide monitoring services stating had Comcast's service been in place, no one would have died as their Internet service would have been terminated in time to save the victim.

    Comcast has yet to release a statement about the deal however the President has been heard stating in the back "It's Comcastic!!"

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    1. Re:In other news today ... by XenoPhage · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Oh how I wish I had mod points...

      +1 Funny!

      Actually.. I've never, to my knowledge, had mod points.. And if I suddenly gain them, how will I know? Hrm... Something to ponder..

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    2. Re:In other news today ... by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      Actually.. I've never, to my knowledge, had mod points.. And if I suddenly gain them, how will I know?

      It actually starts with marathon online slashdot sessions. But doing them from work doesn't count.

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  30. newsflash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jack Thompson is not a chinaman

  31. Description of the man by king-manic · · Score: 0, Troll

    I'm going out on a limb and predict this mans life.

    single (never married or recently divorced).
    No job prospects (recently fired or newly graduated).
    Lives alone or with parents.
    Few if any friends.
    Pale, scrawny, bad hair cut.

    I know I pretty much described the average slashdotter but it seems these guys tend to fit a certain mold. Time will tell if I'm right about this specific case.

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    1. Re:Description of the man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Let me predict the rest of his life as well:

      EOF

    2. Re:Description of the man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wrong again, sucka fish!

      I shave my head bald once every 2 weeks or so. No bad haircut here!

      lol.

      Oh, i'm not really scrawny either....
      or..
      um.

      I'll stop now.

    3. Re:Description of the man by GrievousMistake · · Score: 1

      Yeah, death tends to do all of that to you.

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  32. Chinese != Korean by ToastyKen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did I miss something? As far as I've heard, the only other case of death from gaming exhausting happened in Korea, but the submitter says "another Chinese man"...

    1. Re:Chinese != Korean by CodyRazor · · Score: 0

      this is 2007. theres only 3 kinds of people in the world, Terrorists i.e. A-rabs, or sand-niggers, Communists i.e. Chinese, or rice-niggers, and THE FEW, THE PROUD, THE FREE i.e. Americans, or white people and regular niggers.

      I always loved the term "sand-nigger", i mean, can you pack any more ignorance into two words?

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    2. Re:Chinese != Korean by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Meh! They all look alike. j/k

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    3. Re:Chinese != Korean by CodyRazor · · Score: 0

      damnit, that was suppsoed to say, "i always loved the term "sand niggers", can you pack any more ignorance into two words?"

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    4. Re:Chinese != Korean by TrappedByMyself · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You need to "hear" more before commenting then.
      2 second google search found one back in Feb.
      http://www.geek.com/chinese-man-dies-after-week-long-gaming-session/


      The internet is not that hard. Really.

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    5. Re:Chinese != Korean by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      can you pack any more ignorance into two words?"

      Vista rules! :)

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    6. Re:Chinese != Korean by Daimanta · · Score: 1

      Well, they're both Asiuns.

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    7. Re:Chinese != Korean by DragonWriter · · Score: 0, Troll

      Did I miss something? As far as I've heard, the only other case of death from gaming exhausting happened in Korea, but the submitter says "another Chinese man"...


      "Chinese man" identifies a nationality, gender, and age (adult).
      "in Korea" identifies a location.

      It is not impossible for the two to be accurate for the same event.

    8. Re:Chinese != Korean by ToastyKen · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link. I was not being rhetorical when I asked if I had missed something; I was seriously wondering if I had missed something, and it seems I did. I appreciate the link, if not the tone of voice it was provided in. :)

    9. Re:Chinese != Korean by ToastyKen · · Score: 1

      Also, to be fair, the linked article refers to an obese man who played for "most of a week", which seems like it could be a different scenario from both this and the earlier Korean case, which both involved non-stop playing otherwise apparently reasonably healthy individuals.

    10. Re:Chinese != Korean by dbIII · · Score: 1
      Above marked troll for some odd reason but partly true. I know some Chinese Koreans - or is that Korean Chinese - there is an entire province of them in the northeast of China. Both descriptions can apply to both an ethnic group as well as a country.

      I would still put the original description down to ignorance somewhere.

  33. It's the compensation... by tjstork · · Score: 1

    Companies exist in China that pay you hard dollars for each goodie you harvest in an online game. They then turn around and sell those things for even more dollars to American parents to buy for their kids.

    So yeah, the guy probably died so some snot-nosed kid could get his super sword + 5 from his divorced dad for christmas.

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  34. 100 people left! by CodyRazor · · Score: 0

    The report said that about 100 other Web surfers "left the cafe in fear after witnessing the man's death."'"

    Screw that I wanna see the people that stayed! I wonder how many people didnt even notice lol. I wonder how many Kara raids got a tell "Holy shit some guy just died next to me LOL" ...but, you know, in chinese

    or the raid of which he was a part, flaming him for not being committed enough to finish the raid.

    I wonder who was the first in the cafe to shard his epixx

    etc. etc.
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  35. hypocrisy by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A few weeks ago there was a post about a programming competition sponsored by Microsoft in which students were expected to stay up for 24 hours straight and eat soda and junk food while coding.

    People here are laughing about this guy because he neglected sleep and nutrition to compete in this contest. They are saying "darwin award." Where was this same sentiment when Microsoft caused students to do the same thing for a different contest?

    Health should come before work and play, people! Your job is worthless if you are dead or ill from a terrible lifestyle. Don't let your boss force this behavior on you, and don't let companies like Microsoft force it on students.

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    1. Re:hypocrisy by Uthic · · Score: 1

      24 hours up straight is bad but sometimes a necessary evil, and I've done that before back in University. And I'm sure those in the MS competition didn't keep going even when they started to feel ill. 72 hours straight to the point of death is something else entirely.

    2. Re:hypocrisy by bubkus_jones · · Score: 1

      Maybe because the Microsoft thing was a contest, not a normal occurrence? Something like the 30-Hour Famine, where people around the world refuse food and drink (save for water) for 30 hours for charity?

      Hell, what about the Navy SEAL's Hell Week? Very basic nutrition and maybe 3 hours sleep over a 5-day period?

      Besides, that was a competition, where I assume it was voluntary to participate.

    3. Re:hypocrisy by Omnifarious · · Score: 1

      The ip address link in your homepage link makes me very suspicious.

    4. Re:hypocrisy by arsheive · · Score: 1

      How is holding a contest forcing anyone to do anything?

      Some people operate best on cycles that include being awake for 24 hours. Certainly if your job description didn't include this when you were hired, you could be "forced" to do it, but many would gladly choose a job that's allows/requires this type of schedule.

      Furthermore, staying up that long _on_occasion_ is just plain fun for lots of people. During college I was on a 36 hours awake, 12 asleep cycle for up to a month at a time, and pretty damn happy about it. Aclimating myself to a 9-to-5 job was the real pain in the ass.

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    5. Re:hypocrisy by jswigart · · Score: 1

      God you're a jackass. Only on slashdot would it be modded interesting for someone to make some obscure bullshit connection to Microsoft.

      3 days != 24 hours, and nobody was "expected to stay up for 24 hours straight and eat soda and junk food while coding", nor was the contest 'forced on students'.

      Staying up for 24 hours is nothing compared to 3 days. To imply they are in any way comparable wreaks of stupidity.

      In both cases it is the individuals responsibility. This guy that killed himself for gaming 3 days was stupid to the extreme.

    6. Re:hypocrisy by Xybre · · Score: 1

      Yeah I feel ya, 30 hours of chastity is tough.

      Oh, wait..

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    7. Re:hypocrisy by Hokie06 · · Score: 1

      Very basic nutrition and maybe 3 hours sleep over a 5-day period? You are right about the sleep part. But not the nutrition part. They are given 4 meals a day. Some of them consume up to 7000 calories a day...hardly basic. (They still lose weight though) Also keep in mind that these guys are excellent shape before they start, and are also closely observed by instructors. I would also assume there is medical staff on-site the entire time too. The guy in the cafe was probably out of shape, did not eat or drink much, if anything.
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    8. Re:hypocrisy by dissy · · Score: 1

      Health should come before work and play, people! Your job is worthless if you are dead or ill from a terrible lifestyle. Don't let your boss force this behavior on you, and don't let companies like Microsoft force it on students. Unfortunately that is exactly why I am unemployed right now, and while I agree 100% (both vocally and in my actions), i can also add that health is hard to keep maintained with no job (money & insurance being in the US).

      So for most people without bad health problems, its a trade off they are more than glad to make, and for the rest of us With bad health problems, we are screwed either way.
    9. Re:hypocrisy by cowscows · · Score: 1

      The article is sparse on details, but I can't help but wonder if this guy didn't already have some health problems or at least live a very unhealthy lifestyle.

      My first few years of college, I pulled all-nighters all the time (often multiple times per week), and once stayed up for 3 days straight. Many of my classmates followed similar schedules. It certainly wasn't the healthiest way to work, and I'd often feel like crap afterwards, but nobody ever died, or even seemed to get sick because of it. We never just sat back in a chair in front of a computer for all those hours straight through, we'd get up and move around and goof off (all that goofing off is a large reason why we had to work through so many nights to get everything done). I wonder if this guy who died never left his chair to even walk around a little bit.

      Basically, not sleeping for a couple nights won't make you any healthier, and you probably won't feel very good towards the end of it, but it shouldn't kill a normal person. There's probably some other causes that combined with the lack of sleep that did this guy in. That being said, a computer game is a silly reason to stay up for 3 days straight.

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    10. Re:hypocrisy by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      You were fired for refusing to work excessive overtime? The unemployment rate in the US is like 5%, which is as low as it gets. It seems unlikely that, with these market conditions, a company would dump somebody over something like that.

      Around here they are trying to keep people and hire within the company because it is hard to find IT workers in the market right now.

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    11. Re:hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been to that competition that you're talking about, it's a very different thing. First of all, M$ provides junk food and soda AND coffee/tea and fresh fruit (or at least they did when I was there in '04) and beds(!) and whatever else the 5 star hotel's room service offers (including full bar for those of legal age in the host country).

      They also tell you that to win you're going to need to be in top mental condition and that it's up to you to budget your time between sleeping, eating, and competing. That doesn't exactly strike me as a darwin award candidate.

      There were numerous times that they specifically asked us to not go out on the town and instead stay at the hotel so that we would be rested for the next day's festivities... not that it mattered, I still managed to pass out on the bus a few times...

    12. Re:hypocrisy by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      I also thought that simply being up for three days straight causing a death seemed dubious. I've been up for well over two days before and haven't experienced any physical problems other than being really tired and hallucinating a little.

      I wonder if this guy who died never left his chair to even walk around a little bit.

      Good point. Is it possible that the man died from deep vein thrombosis?

    13. Re:hypocrisy by artifex2004 · · Score: 1

      People here are laughing about this guy because he neglected sleep and nutrition to compete in this contest. They are saying "darwin award." Where was this same sentiment when Microsoft caused students to do the same thing for a different contest?


      If staying up 24 hours eating junk food put people at serious risk of dying all by itself, hardly anyone would outlive their teen or college years. But there's a difference between a programming competition, where you're free to get up and move around, take a break or something, and sitting hunched over in a chair for the whole time. While they may call it exhaustion in this case, in other deaths it's been attributed to things like Deep Vein Thrombosis. Depending on the environment of that game center, he may have not been able to leave on a break without losing his seat, etc. He almost certainly lost track of time, and didn't have breaks. Yes, health can be affected, but if you're healthy and you make sure you take activity breaks, you can minimize it. It's a matter of management, not complete avoidance, of risk.
    14. Re:hypocrisy by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Considering 16h being the normal waking time (with standard 8h of sleep), 24h is just 150% of the standard, well within limits of safety. 72h is 450% of the standard. That's a serious difference. Most of human constructions are overengineered to 200-300% nominal capacity, often used at 110-130%, sometimes at 150%, if the operators know their equipment well. You're pretty sure they will fail at 450% of the load though. There's no reason to believe any organism is more durable.

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  36. Fatality by teknopurge · · Score: 1

    Rayden Wins.

    *scary lightening*

    OOOGEEEBAAAAGEEWAAA!!!!!!!!11

  37. Look... by Geekfather · · Score: 0

    If you can spend over 100 straight hours playing a game online, you are not really contributing anything to society anyway.

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  38. Believe it or not... Parent is actually +5 funny. by sampson7 · · Score: 1

    For those of you not up on Korean urban legands -- I present to you:

    Fan Death: Menace from Above.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death and http://www.fandeath.net/

    The best part of Fan Death is that fans made for the Korean market have automatic timing devices that are designed to prevent "accidental" Fan Death by shutting the fan off.

  39. And can the Internet really you? by Mjlner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The paper said that he may have died from exhaustion brought on by too many hours on the Internet.
    The article gives the impression that the Internet has something to do with his death. Exhaustion is exhaustion, regardless of whatever reason you have to stay awek. He could have just been gardening.
    It would definitely be more relevant to know whether he was using any stimulants to stay awake.
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    1. Re:And can the Internet really you? by autophile · · Score: 1

      Exhaustion is exhaustion, regardless of whatever reason you have to stay awek. He could have just been gardening.

      He could have been gardening... on the Internet! It's...

      GARDEN GNOMES 3!!!!!

      Teh ultimate tower game for u! Each level brings a new and somewhat surprising bevy of garden gnomes come to wreck your little corner of paradise! Build raised beds, sprinklers (both the "whee-whee-whee" and the "ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ppppppppplt" kind), gnome-pinching cacti, ant hills, and non-organic toxic gnome killer!

      Play against the computer, or a horde of underpaid gnome-workers!

      Fun for all teh family!

      --Rob

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  40. Was it really out of fear? by Hel+Toupee · · Score: 3, Funny

    The report said that about 100 other Web surfers "left the cafe in fear after witnessing the man's death.
    Are we sure it wasn't just the smell?
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    1. Re:Was it really out of fear? by Moonrazor · · Score: 1

      After 3 unwashed days in an internet cafe, you can be sure it was due to the smell! Heck, they were probably running from that in the first place and when he was the only one left in the room that's when it was discovered he was dead.....

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  41. How can this happen? by llZENll · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You hear about people surviving the wild for days or weeks with little or no food and water, and these people are hiking or walking, and in very hot or cold climates. So how is that only after 3 days someone who is just sitting there using almost no muscles can die in such a short time? Are they so malnurished that any day without food and water is death? Is their brain using so much energy gaming it starves their body?

    1. Re:How can this happen? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      So how is that only after 3 days someone who is just sitting there using almost no muscles can die in such a short time?

      They don't die of "exhaustion", they probably die of this. Consider that most are probably overweight and have a long history of a sedentary lifestyle.

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    2. Re:How can this happen? by newgalactic · · Score: 1

      This sounds really fishy to me too. How can this really happen. The human body can go a while without food and drink, and people usually pass out before they die. Was he on Speed or massive amounts of caffeine? Lack of sleep is a non-issue. Generally you can't die from lack of sleep. Eventually you WILL fall to sleep, regardless of how hard you try. My guess is that this must be a case of dehydration. But why didn't the person just pass out before dying? There must be something else involved with this, or it's bullshit.

    3. Re:How can this happen? by newgalactic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This sounds much more likely then what the others have suggested (dehydration, sleep deprivation). Sounds much more like a case of "pre-existing condition" with a side of "bad media".

    4. Re:How can this happen? by Renraku · · Score: 1

      It was probably due to other circumstances. Similar to how 3d shooting games caused school shootings, and how emo music causes suicides.

      The gaming probably did not kill him. He was probably pretty bad-off to begin with. Imagine if he had some illness that prevented him from working, so he went there. And he died because he wasn't getting enough rest. Three days is about right for a lot of bacterial infections.

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    5. Re:How can this happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The difference is that the people hiking and walking are in good health. The marathon gamer probably has this addiction and the negative health choices (bad diet, bad sleeping patterns, just all-around unhealthy) as a chronic problem.

    6. Re:How can this happen? by CodyRazor · · Score: 0

      It wouldnt have anything to do with gaming. it was probably more along the lines of an unrelated medical condition.

      So many people spend a great deal of time in interweb cafes, especially in china, i find it odd that more deaths arent reported. statistically i would imagine there should be all sorts of deaths while in internets cafes for all sorts of random reasons.
      and the government run chinese media does kinda have a war on the internet with usage skyrocketing, the masses get scared rather well by subtle hints here and there

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    7. Re:How can this happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Minor correction: emo music causes you to dress and style yourself like an annoying stereotype of fag. Jesus Christ, at least try to mallgoth it or something. If you're going to cut yourself to bleed to death, at least go out looking like a vampire or zombie or some neat shit like that. Not a wimpy fag.

    8. Re:How can this happen? by palantir0 · · Score: 1

      From what I understand, it is worse to sit and have adreneline and other chemicals that are induced by playing a fight/flight game. If you have some physical outlet, it makes the body happy (my technical term :) ) However, I figure this guy had some physical issues to cause him to die.

      Cheers

    9. Re:How can this happen? by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 1

      Many possibilities. He was probably chain smoking, living on junk food, and taking 20 different kinds of stimulants to stay up (yes 20 is an exaggeration). I seriously doubt it was "exhaustion"...he probably had a stroke or a heart attack.

    10. Re:How can this happen? by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 1

      Definitely a possibility. It could've also been a stroke or a heart attack. So far the people that have been documented dying while playing online games have been chain smokers who lived on junk food and stimulants. If that's the case this time (and I'm sure it is), then they would be in VERY poor health anyway. This is bound to happen with people that don't take care of themselves to this degree.

    11. Re:How can this happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You hear about people surviving the wild for days or weeks with little or no food and water, and these people are hiking or walking, and in very hot or cold climates. So how is that only after 3 days someone who is just sitting there using almost no muscles can die in such a short time? Are they so malnurished that any day without food and water is death? Is their brain using so much energy gaming it starves their body?


      Sleep. More than 72 hours without it can cause brain damage, add to that starvation and dehydration and you have a pretty good recipe for death.

      In these cases of people surviving the wild for days or weeks with little or no food, they almost certainly got a little sleep. Even if just 10-20 minutes here and there, it would be enough to allay death.

      "In rats, prolonged, complete sleep deprivation increases both food intake and energy expenditure, leading to weight loss and, ultimately, death."
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation
      http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0010062

  42. Gene pool purification wtf? by thatblackguy · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one disturbed by that tag? That's messed up.

    1. Re:Gene pool purification wtf? by harpslashdot · · Score: 1

      no you're not. It was the first thing I noticed ...

    2. Re:Gene pool purification wtf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. You're next.

    3. Re:Gene pool purification wtf? by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      You make it sound like Americans are the only ones eligible for the Darwin Award.

    4. Re:Gene pool purification wtf? by LiENUS · · Score: 1

      As long as its voluntary and not compulsory I'm fine with it.

  43. Only on Slashdot by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 3, Funny

    He apparently fainted and died at the cafe from exhaustion. 'The report did not say what the man, whose name was not given, was playing.
    How funny/sad is that? No "did he have a medical condition?", no "was there evidence of foul play", no "is there an autopsy scheduled", just "what game was he playing?"
    1. Re:Only on Slashdot by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      How funny/sad is that? No "did he have a medical condition?", no "was there evidence of foul play", no "is there an autopsy scheduled", just "what game was he playing?"

      How many metric tons did he weigh?

    2. Re:Only on Slashdot by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 1

      How much did he chain smoke and how many stimulants (legal or otherwise) was he taking? These things combined are a recipe for death, videogames or no. Videogames didn't kill him, lifestyle did. If you're chain smoking, living on junk food, and taking stimulants constantly, you're not going to live long regardless of what else you happen to be doing.

  44. Obligatory by sam_paris · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did he drop any good loot?

  45. Life is tough. by Dekortage · · Score: 1

    Back in my day, if you died after three days of a gaming marathon, it was because one of the other gladiators had run you through with a sword. And we didn't have paramedics, either.

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  46. I don't get it by Elise+DiPace · · Score: 1

    Doesn't some kid hold the world record for staying awake for 11 days?

    This guy stays online for three days and croaks. Funny, coming from the Chinese authorities.

  47. How does this happen? by revlayle · · Score: 1

    I play what I consider a lot of games, lots of late nights, late to bed before a work day.... so yeah, I do play late, but NOT THREE DAYS late, i mean, wow, how does one do that???

  48. My thought exactly. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1
    First case:

    A South Korean games addict died after playing nonstop for 86 hours.

    And then:

    Just days after the first 'internet overdose', another addict has died after a marathon games binge. The 27 year-old Taiwanese man collapsed after playing computer games for 32 hours non-stop.


    At first I was going to blame this on the chinese govt for forcing these users to escape from reality, but look. One taiwanese, one south korean. So it's got nothing to do with politics.

    Maybe the answer is a simple "because they can". I think governments should start regulating cybercafes opening and closing hours, or set a time limit for clients.
  49. Here's what i don't get by shdowhawk · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I've been to many a lock-in. Most people can't stay up that long (24 hours)... and it's obvious to see who the ones are who ARE trying to stay up that long (72+ hours). How can the other "100 people" who were in there a) not notice or say anything ... and b) (more importantly) wtf is the cafe doing allowing someone to play for that long? I mean, i know the money might be good... but "another death in booth #6" doesn't make for good advertising.

    Somehow, i'm thinking that this "addiction issue" isn't what it seems to be ...

  50. his name was by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Tu long

    1. Re:his name was by loafula · · Score: 1

      Someone mod parent up funny!

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      I wish I had mod points for this...

  51. 24 hours? lol by everphilski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    24 hours is nothing. You've never pulled an all-nighter to get a semester project completed?

    Are you telling me you can't see the difference between a voluntary competition (hint: its kinda fun to pull an all-nighter every now and then... I have a wife and 2 kids and if I come across a fun project, I still do it from time to time) and a man who was either incapable of determining his tolerance or chose to ignore it (most likely the latter)?

    And I suppose you would have people oppose the voluntary fund raiser Up till Dawn as well? I mean, think of the college students that will be kept up all night and have to go to class in the morning!

    1. Re:24 hours? lol by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You've never pulled an all-nighter to get a semester project completed?
      I never did at college, and I certainly wouldn't for work.
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    2. Re:24 hours? lol by everphilski · · Score: 1

      I never did at college, and I certainly wouldn't for work.

      Wow. I know very few people who made it through college without pulling at least one, if not for something dumb like forgetting an assignment or a movie/gaming marathon with friends. Yeah, I haven't pulled 24 hours straight at work yet ... but I've worked the better part of half a day on a few occasions, voluntarily, my employer does flexible scheduling and I worked ahead so I could take time off later.

    3. Re:24 hours? lol by Alomex · · Score: 1

      and I certainly wouldn't for work.

      You must not be paid very well. Well paid jobs demand, on occasion, extraordinary efforts. I have no problem putting extra effort in exchange for extraordinary compensation.

    4. Re:24 hours? lol by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You must not be paid very well.
      Fair point, I couldn't really care less about work, and so I get adequate pay for doing an adequate job. But at least I have a reasonable amount of time for myself and my family.
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  52. Enemy Territory by Jim+Hall · · Score: 1

    If he was playing Enemy Territory, you gotta be careful on "Rail Gun". It's a real killer.

    (There, I said it. Oh yes, I went there.)

  53. Need A Reminder You've Been Playing Too Long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what swollen prostates are for, God always opening a window...

  54. 3 days in a cybercafe??? by chord.wav · · Score: 1

    3 days in a cyber cafe? Can you imagine the smell of that? What's strange in this news is that the other people left the cafe only after this guy died and not anytime before..

  55. What really happened by daveywest · · Score: 1

    Here's my educated guess based on the state-run media's reporting. Some guy on a long weekend binge of unhealthy snack foods has massive seizure or heart attack. He flops around violently (thus scaring off 100 other people). Ohh, he just logged into Hello Kitty Adventure Island before he died. Now we have an example of how gaming kills. Perfect chinese government example of making the evidence prove their point.

  56. I wonder... by leather_helmet · · Score: 1

    Did he drop any phat loots?

  57. Quick! by localman · · Score: 1

    Quick everyone, let's judge a billion Chinese people (a billion!) by the actions of this one guy! And while we're at it, let's throw in the rest of Asia too.

    Cheers.

    1. Re:Quick! by homesnatch · · Score: 1

      And while we're at it, let's throw in the rest of Asia too.

      Killing yourself by playing computer games is an Oriental thing. People in the Orient do it all the time.
    2. Re:Quick! by localman · · Score: 1

      Fair enough.

  58. Mod Parent up by IgLou · · Score: 1

    Insightful... I always thought playing Marathon was bad for you.

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  59. I Chink He Had a Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I chink it's wong for so many Chinese players to die gaming? Why don't round eyes die at the same rate? It must be Bush and Cheney.

  60. Casino Gambling by MooseDontBounce · · Score: 1

    I have a friend that worked in IT at one of the American Indian Casino's. He said people would die there all the time on the gaming floor. Most of the time it was older people that would gamble so long that they wouldn't take their medication. He would say, "Christ, we'll give them a free glass of water for their pills if they'd just ask."

    1. Re:Casino Gambling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean Native American casinos.

  61. Backfiring of "one child per family" policy by ObiWonKanblomi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I heard a really good article a few weeks ago on NPR where sociologists were looking into the root cause of internet/gaming addiction in China. One interesting theory is that this generation of gamers is the product of the "one child per family" policy in China. Essentially this generation in China is full of only-children. This is bound to cause social issues, and this internet/gaming addiction is only a symptom of a larger sociological problem.

    1. Re:Backfiring of "one child per family" policy by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      You are suggesting that being an only child predisposes children to become obsessed with games?

      What is this basis for this connection?

      Personally, I think people become obsessed with games or novels or jesus or whatever because they are unhappy with their lives and want to focus on something else and forget about the general malaise of the daily grind.

      The real way to combat game addiction or whatever else obsession would be to sponsor and promote community sports and social functions (even bar and club scenes for singles).

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    2. Re:Backfiring of "one child per family" policy by ObiWonKanblomi · · Score: 1

      You are suggesting that being an only child predisposes children to become obsessed with games?
      Absolutely not. If you read what I said, you would know what the sociologists are suggesting.

      I said the younger generation of Chinese is essentially full of single-child families. In most other countries, there is a natural (not regulated by the government) mixture of single-child and multiple-children families which causes a what most of us would perceive a healthy society. Imagine a generation where almost no one has siblings. You nor I could imagine all the outcomes, and this gaming addiction would seem to be one of those.

      Please note I am not discrediting or looking down on single-child families, regardless of cause.

    3. Re:Backfiring of "one child per family" policy by FooBarWidget · · Score: 1

      Yet the alternative is over population. Choose your poison.

    4. Re:Backfiring of "one child per family" policy by pablodiazgutierrez · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exactly. Brutal as it may have been, the policy has helped solve a major humanitarian crisis in the most populated country in the world.

  62. WWS Parse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Submitting to death is a failure. Where is the WWS parse for this event?

  63. I guess he lost the game... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like I did when I saw this article.

  64. I heard it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was like gravel rattling down two inches of rusty drainpipe accompanied by a shallow asthmatic cough. I pity his wife.

  65. Look on the bright side by Mathness · · Score: 1

    Look on the bright side, he died after the marathon, so he got all he paid for. It would have been more embarrasing to die during the marathon. ;)

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  66. Yay!!!! by twitchings · · Score: 0

    Yay!!!! One less idiot on the planet!!!

  67. "Exhaustion" Is Industrial Disease by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1, Flamebait
    What exactly is "exhaustion"? Since the people dying from it while playing games are all in China, could they mean "exhaust", like their filthy air full of industrial and car exhaust? Doesn't that make the murder weapon Chinese air pollution, which is the government's responsiblity? Is the Chinese government executing hardcore gamers who play instead of work in the glorious Communist Capitalist paradise?

    "Industrial Disease" by Dire Straits:

    Warning lights are flashing down at quality control
    Somebody threw a spanner and they threw him in the hole
    There's rumors in the loading bay and anger in the town
    Somebody blew the whistle and the walls came down
    There's a meeting in the boardroom they're trying to trace the smell
    There's leaking in the washroom there's a sneak in personnel
    Somewhere in the corridors someone was heard to sneeze
    'goodness me could this be industrial disease?

    The caretaker was crucified for sleeping at his post
    They're refusing to be pacified it's him they blame the most
    The watchdog's got rabies the foreman's got fleas
    And everyone's concerned about industrial disease
    There's panic on the switchboard tongues are ties in knots
    Some come out in sympathy some come out in spots
    Some blame the management some the employees
    And everybody knows it's the industrial disease

    The work force is disgusted downs tools and walks
    Innocence is injured experience just talks
    Everyone seeks damages and everyone agrees
    That these are 'classic symptoms of a monetary squeeze'
    On itv and bbc they talk about the curse
    Philosophy is useless theology is worse
    History boils over there's an economics freeze
    Sociologists invent words that mean 'industrial disease'

    Doctor parkinson declared 'I'm not surprised to see you here
    You've got smokers cough from smoking, brewer's droop from drinking beer
    I don't know how you came to get the betty davis knees
    But worst of all young man you've got industrial disease'
    He wrote me a prescription he said 'you are depressed
    But I'm glad you came to see me to get this off your chest
    Come back and see me later - next patient please
    Send in another victim of industrial disease'

    I go down to speaker's corner I'm thunderstruck
    They got free speech, tourists, police in trucks
    Two men say they're jesus one of them must be wrong
    There's a protest singer singing a protest song - he says
    'they wanna have a war to keep us on our knees
    They wanna have a war to keep their factories
    They wanna have a war to stop us buying japanese
    They wanna have a war to stop industrial disease
    They're pointing out the enemy to keep you deaf and blind
    They wanna sap your energy incarcerate your mind
    They give you rule brittania, gassy beer, page three
    Two weeks in espana and sunday striptease'
    Meanwhile the first jesus says 'I'd cure it soon
    Abolish monday mornings and friday afternoons'
    The other one's on a hunger strike he's dying by degrees
    How come jesus gets industrial disease
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    1. Re:"Exhaustion" Is Industrial Disease by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Moderation 0
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      China's anonymous TrollMod army are ever vigilant. Cheaper than cleaning up the air, I suppose, is keeping them on the job.

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  68. It's a Wipe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Main Tank died.
    It's a wipe.
    RUN OUT.

  69. Irresponsible by alterami · · Score: 1

    Theres only one sensible thing to do, ban gaming from all public places, tax em out of existence and sue the bastard software makers who brought us this deadly sin. I saw no warning labels that said these addictive things could kill. Only now are we finding out the true nature of their products. These poor hapless victims lives will not have been in vain. Put all the money to good use for a huge anti-gaming propaganda campaign.

  70. the saddest part... by drfrog · · Score: 1

    after he left we couldnt fill the group...aiiii yahhh

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  71. Obligatory.. by calebt3 · · Score: 1

    Do the math again. There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary...

  72. I'm not good at math by VonSkippy · · Score: 1

    I'm not good at math, so what's 1.6 BILLION minus 1 equal again?

    Why is this news?

    1. Re:I'm not good at math by egr · · Score: 1

      1 billion 599 million 999 thousand 999

  73. Someone had to say it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    did he drop any good loot?

  74. Asians are gamblers indeed by Erikderzweite · · Score: 1

    I've been working at a casino for about three years and I must say, that Asian people are more likely to get addicted to gambling than Europeans. I don't know why it is so, but for some reason Asians are more focused on the game itself, forgetting just about anything else. This phenomena is widely known in the gambling industry yet there were only games of chance before online MMORPG's come. So it is nothing new here, it just an Asian peculiarity (genetic, perhaps) moved to another realm.

  75. huh? by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

    how does adding "some" to that make it more correct?

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    1. Re:huh? by Pojut · · Score: 1

      "Right after that DARE commercial, what do you see? 'This Bud's for yooooou' Come on everybody, let's be hypocritical bastards! It's ok to drink your drug, haha! We meant those OTHER drugs...those UNTAXED drugs...those are the ones that are bad for you." -Bill Hicks

      Any country in which I can drink alcohol (which was made by man and kills thousands upon thousands of people a year) but not smoke marijuana (which was made by either god or by nature, depending on what you believe) has a war on some drugs. Wnat me to go through it again?

    2. Re:huh? by Ash+Vince · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Karma: Bad (mostly from not giving a fuck) I don't give a fuck either, but try doing it in a more interesting way.

      (This is offtopic in case you fuckwits with mod points haven't noticed)
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    3. Re:huh? by foobsr · · Score: 1

      Not that I disagree on principle, but ...

      "The drunken monkey hypothesis: the study of fruit-eating animals could lead to an evolutionary understanding of human alcohol abuse" (link, more)

      CC.

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  76. Not "exhaustion". by 602 · · Score: 1

    (I'm a physician.) To die from "exhaustion" (whatever that is) from 3 days of gaming is ridiculous. I can't even think of a metabolic condition that could kill someone that soon in the absence of some pre-existing severe disease. Hell, even missing a couple of dialysis treatments wouldn't kill most people. And sleep deprivation would take a week or more to kill you, and in fact voluntary sleep deprivation of that severity is probably impossible.

    By far the most likely explanation is a blood clot in the leg (deep venous thrombosis or "DVT") that embolized to the lung (pulmonary embolism or "PE"). In some individuals, blood clots can develop from just hours of being motionless; this is why you should flex your calves and preferably get up and walk around during long flights.

    This news story was useless. Not even a reference to a pending autopsy? WTF?

    1. Re:Not "exhaustion". by trillex · · Score: 1

      I've always thought there was more to it than just "exhaustion". It seems a very shallow diagnosis but yet that's the one used by the media in these circumstances. Maybe also lack of basic nutrition and fluids? As a geek, I get very scared when I read these kind of news, since I often find myself without 2 days of sleep.

  77. "Back in the day" games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "No, they may not be the latest fancy 3D games, but classic games have something the latest games totally lack: gameplay."

    Apparently the latest games are also lacking fan boys who start every other sentence with "Back in my day...".

  78. Civilisation? by hcdejong · · Score: 1

    At least 100 people in the room, (plus presumably the staff of wherever this was) and no-one had the sense to smack him in the head (make him go eat/sleep/whatever) before he keeled over? What's this world coming to?

    1. Re:Civilisation? by danzona · · Score: 1

      Unless he had a tote board which was counting his playing time there probably wasn't anyone who knew how long he had been playing.

      Customers have no way of knowing how long somebody has been there before they arrive. So unless somebody had been playing for 101 hours, none of the other customers would have known he was in any danger.

      If the staff rotates off every 8 or so hours, they wouldn't know how long the person had been there either. Any employee who did notice the guy might have assumed that he gets there before the employee's shift and leaves after the shift is over.

      The only entity which might have known that the player had not left in 100 hours was the billing software. But TFA says that this occurred in China, so it really isn't surprising that alerting staff to a user who exceeds normal playing time isn't a feature of the software.

  79. ObTron by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 3, Funny

    "I want him in the games until he dies playing." -- MCP

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  80. Here's a photo of him... by GigG · · Score: 1
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  81. Yoda says: Dangerous work ... by Bob-taro · · Score: 1

    ... farming is.

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  82. It does happen here... by dsvick · · Score: 1

    Well, ok, it sort of happens here. But instead of dropping dead themselves these people were letting their kids do it.

  83. Hey... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

    It's news for nerds man, that's what we care about.

    Laying aside the whole, "Moment of silence for the fallen geek/Bell tolls for thee" moment, I really have very few questions. I'd be interested in knowing if he was hammering down the stimulants during his marathon session; that would make sense. But besides that, I really only care about what game he was playing.

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  84. Just 3 days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just 3 days? I've been at LAN competitions where I've stayed up for 3 days a number of times, the trick is getting enough calories and vitamins or your body feels tired - the longer you stay up the more susceptible you become to any fatigued state - also, the proper choice of stimulant is very important, you dont want to be drinking Coke or anything with large quantities of sugar - which includes many of those 500ml canned energy drinks. You'll go up, and so long as you maintain that high you'll be fine, but eventually you will start wavering and then crash. A better technique is to consume something like Bawls which I find is a more stable stimulant, or caffeine mints/pills, those work great. Also, lots of water.

    If you keep on top of your body your mind can function competitively for 3 days without issue.

    I know a guy who pulled 5 days up straight in germany partying/raving, and I myself went 104 hours (my personal record) in Amsterdam. My guess is its not the gaming at all or the addiction but malnutrition that killed him.

  85. Here's what I don't understand by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    At some point during this 3 day marathon, didn't he have to pee? If he didn't, maybe that's what killed him!

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  86. Obligate Quote... by catdevnull · · Score: 1

    "What part of 'sudden death' didn't you understand?"

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  87. Did they think it was contagious? by jpellino · · Score: 1

    "The report said that about 100 other Web surfers "left the cafe in fear after witnessing the man's death."
    cyberSARS?
    e-vian flu?
    Likely just scared of the implications and officials descending on the place, but it has to make you chuckle.

    The story the other night showed McDonalds in China and their challenges. When they opened drive-thrus, people would dutifully use the drive thru to get their food, park the car and come inside to eat the food they picked up. With no precedent, people assume some amazing things.

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  88. Hoist the Jolly Roger? by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    With xmame, I have thousands of classic arcade games at my fingertips.

    Yeah, but what if you'd like to have some decent games to play without breaking the law?

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    1. Re:Hoist the Jolly Roger? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry, but I see nothing wrong with copying games owned by entities which no longer even exist, which is the case for most games of the 70s and 80s.

      I certainly don't see Atari and Midway suing people for trading Pac-Man and Zaxxon roms on Bittorrent.

  89. Re:Only one thing to do then .. Re.. Re.. by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    Will HE have to get permission from the Chinese government before he can re-spawn or reincarnate?

    Even if he's not going to be a Tibetan monk, he could return to China as another non-rural, unauthorized baby to be fed. (Assuming he isn't reincarnated in India, Africa, someplace in the US, or some other hunger-ridden place in this world, etc.... They won't mind if he reincarnates on some OTHER world, as long as there is no nexus/slipstream/wormhole for him to visit and rob food...))

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  90. AC Flamebait... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

    But so so true. I've pulled all nighters and all weekers and all kinds of other crap. Did it for fun, did it for work, did it just because I didn't feel like "wasting time" with crap like sleep.

    It's not about why you stay up, it's about your willingness to abuse your body to stay up. I abused the living crap out of legal stimulants, and I still have issues with it. Crap, I even drank too much coffee today, and I damn well should know better by now, but there is that persistent "The meat is weak" idea, where the mind is transcendent and the body is just a wimpy anchor holding you back.

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  91. uh by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

    I didn't get how his edit made it better, and I asked. Quit being a douche. Anyway, the implication that the war is only on some drugs, and not on alcohol or "legal" drugs, is false. I think changing the statement to war on some drugs actually makes it cheaper by detracting attention from the egregious treatment of people who drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes. These people are also under attack.

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    1. Re:uh by Ash+Vince · · Score: 1

      Sorry, wasn't replying to to your post at all, just your sig.

      I honestly did not mean to come across as disagreeing with your post or your opinion, I just thought you sig warranted a semi-facetious reply. :)

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  92. Death Penalty is a bit harsh... by RingDev · · Score: 1

    How about a Nap Penalty? And we shouldn't stop at games or 24 hours. I won't stop fighting until we mandate 30 minute naps for anyone who pushes themselves through 6 hours of work (lunch and break included). In today's day and age there is no reason for people to be pushing their bodies through the post lunch sleepy time. By doing so they are putting everyone's life at risk! Studies have shown that more accidents occur when people are tired. Enforcing nap time will cut down on work related fatalities! And if you're not for that, you MUST be a terrorist!

    -Rick

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  93. Nethack by Nosklo · · Score: 1

    These news make me wanna play nethack :P

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  94. Correcting myself by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

    In careful study after doing the post (who has time to do research before posting anyway!), I found out that wicked sick only belongs to the killing sprees, which of course can't be the case here. Still "wicked sick" is such an awesome thing to say, that it should be mentioned as much as possible.

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  95. I see your point... by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

    But there is still most definitely a war on alcohol and nicotine going on. In fact, there are plenty of dry counties around, and liquor laws are used to control all sorts of things beyond their scope (behavior in private clubs, for example).

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    1. Re:I see your point... by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Come on...do you really think the United States Government is going to outlaw those substances (or in the case of alcohol, a second time)? They earn literally BILLIONS in tax dollars a year off of them, and their sale injects untold amounts of money into our economy each year.

      Not to mention the healthcare industry LOVES cigarette smokers...it's the people dying from natural causes that they can't stand. If you smoke, you are just one giant walking cash sign to the healthcare industry.

  96. only 3 days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pff. what a wuss. most people dont die until after 8 days or so.

    captcha : lively

  97. Marathon... by canard_42 · · Score: 1

    Well this is natural selection... :/

  98. Let's hope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's hope he died naked, I mean, it just sucks to have to pay the extra 10% repair bill for offing yourself on the scenery.

  99. So, no other contributory conditions? by fishbowl · · Score: 1

    This guy was in perfect health, had a good diet, etc., before this three-day marathon?
    Or might he have died anyway, the games being irrelevant?

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  100. Why not? by Nicolay77 · · Score: 1

    Having (lots of) brothers is actually belonging to a small community, in fact it's belonging to a network of communities.

    It helps a lot with social skills.

    So yes, I do suggest, as the GP does, that being an only child predisposes children to become obsessed with games, and with anything obsessive.

    Unless you go to a school without extreme competition and/or bulling. This rules out the USA, China, Korea and Japan. Everywhere else in the world is safe to be an only child.

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  101. Idiots by gailrob · · Score: 1

    Here's my take on this, I call my opinion natural selection.

    Any idiot who plays a game so long he dies deserves his fucking fate.

    What kind of person could really be that stupid? There had to be some sort of brain malfunction with this man. The world is better with people like this removing themselves from the gene pool by their own hand.

    This is basically no different then a drug overdose in my mind. Except that drugs prevent you from utilizing your conscious mind to make intelligent decisions and games do not. If anything, this is far worse than a drug overdose for just that reason.

    Maybe he was trying to reach nirvana or something, in which case I wish him well in his ascension to the sublime plane of existence that so many have died trying to reach.

  102. Safeguards by vex24 · · Score: 1

    Mostly I'd say it's his own fault, but there are ways to prevent people from doing these terrible things to themselves. How about closing the cafe for an hour a day?

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  103. Chat codes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fainting is /brb. Dying is probably /afk.

    1. Re:Chat codes? by ThePengwin · · Score: 1

      more like /quit

  104. Nice Friends... by Punchinello · · Score: 1

    Didn't they even stick around to give him a rez?

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  105. hahaha by ClioCJS · · Score: 1
    ahh, nice one, you got me :)

    the sig does capture how I feel about karma rather accurately, though! :)

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  106. Metaphors gone wild! by spicate · · Score: 1

    It's the same with nuclear weapons. By restricting their sale and manufacture, the government has done NOTHING to keep them from the evil-doers, only out of the hands of private, law-abiding citizens. I think every man, woman and child should have their own tactical nuclear weapon - it's the only way to guarantee our safety and security. MAD works!

  107. I know what did it by Mr.+Lwanga · · Score: 1

    It was the lead based Red Bull.

  108. Marathon Trilogy by entrex · · Score: 0

    If only this poor bastard could have made it to the next Jump Pad. God damn Pfhor.

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  109. Urban Legend by sticky_wicket · · Score: 1

    Has anyone actually verified the facts in this story? Seems like every year or so, there's a report of this happening somewehere in Asia, but the hard facts (i.e. the name of the victim, the actual cafe where it occurred) are elusive. I seem to recall that in the other reported incidents turned out to be hoaxes.

  110. It sucks to die (I suppose) by no1nose · · Score: 1

    But if you gotta go, what a way to go! Die doing what you love... Die Hard!!

  111. Bipolar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty dissapointed in the HaHa type responses here.

    I'm not a shrink, but I'd lay good money that this poor bastard was bipolar, on a serious manic phase. Worse shit than this has happened on manic phases.

    Bipolar kills.

  112. YAY... by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

    ....one less gold farmer to worry about.

    The only tragedy is that he didn't die in a fire!

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  113. Trust the /. by Tug3 · · Score: 1

    One can always trust the /. to publish any and all stories, without any check for its validity or actually being true... So what else is new around here?

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  114. I wish you would die in real life by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    and take your stupid me-too comment with you.

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  115. What idiot modded this up insightful? by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    Evolution isn't necessarily a function of biological birth and death anymore, at least for humans. We are as much a product of our genes as we are of technology and society which are side-effects of our existance yet are primarily the basis for our food-chain superiority and (relative) well being/happiness.

    That we can identify sources of risk and proactively eliminate them (rather than waiting for behaviorial conditioning over generations to do that work; i.e. fear of snakes, heights, etc.) means that social institutions can make us adapt our behavior much faster than biological means; this is critical to our further proliferation.

    Insects can adapt to niches quickly because they have short lifespans and lots of offspring. Humans do the opposite. We assimilate and analyze data quickly to adapt to change using technology, while rearing few children with long lifespans (to better steward and disseminate the human-life-span outliving accumulated human knowledge and culture).

    Our social systems are an evolutionary product; our continued evolution occurs in a cultural space, not so much the meat space, if you will.

    So uh, yeah. No particular need to subject our children to sure bodily harm. Although learning-by-mistake is a powerful mechanism which I still think is valuable. A balance needs to be achieved, clearly.

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  116. One small step by FearlessCoward · · Score: 1

    Help control China's human population, have them online playing games or at a factory. They both work.

  117. Two things. by Organic+Brain+Damage · · Score: 1

    First, you need sleep. It's not a good idea to go 3 days without sleep. If you look at what a body needs to live, in order of the length of time we can go without it are:

    1. Proper temperature. You won't survive a millisecond at a million degrees C.
    2. Reasonably clean air to breath. You might make it 15-30 minutes without air if you're a pearldiver, but otherwise, you're lucky to hold your breath for 2 minutes.
    3. Sleep + Water. You'll need sleep and water within 3-5 days.
    4. Food. You can go weeks without food.

    Second, this over-gamer just got where we're all headed, but a little faster than most. Probably has something to do with powerleveling through real life.

  118. these stories are always so sus by arse+maker · · Score: 1

    To start with, not sleeping will kill you. However we are talking months of not sleeping, this is obviously something you cannot do without a specific brain injury and is why you don't see it happen. People don't die from staying awake for 3 days, you might hallucinate, but you will have no long term ill effects. Lets add in the computer games, I cant think of one deadly aspect of computer gaming, maybe some severe rsi? :p This really leaves you with a few options of huge doses of caffeine or drugs. So thats what killed him, not being awake or computer games, which is whats mentioned. But hey, who can really trust the two of three stories the Chinese government decide to make public, it couldn't be for some self serving reason could it???

  119. Chinese crackdown on IT-cafeés by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on slashdot. This is Big Brother propaganda story.

    This has been the reason the Chinese government has been using when discussing to install monitoring equipment in all internet cafeés in the whole of China (not a few). This story was told about two years ago, and apperently it has been told again.

    Did this man really exist, or the story just created to legitimatize further crackdowns on Chinese internetuse? Last time, the story went something like "Since our young are using internet too much, we need to create a surveillance program to protect them. Noone should enter an internet café without being registered on a camera .."

    On a personal side, I wouldn't notice if anyone of the geeks in my internetcafé died, it is dark, everyone is staring at their own screen, and sometimes someone is sleeping in front of their computer. I find it difficult to see hundreds of people screaming and running.

  120. 3 days... by myxiplx · · Score: 1

    ... that's seriously GOOD coffee. Anyone got the address?

  121. ....You can think of it that way by ClioCJS · · Score: 1
    And do you think our government is actually smart enough to always act in its best interests (Because it frequently doesn't)?

    Laws against alcohol and nicotine are on the rise, and so is over-zealous enforcement. It's also a free pass for police to beat someone, claiming they were drunk (like that guy in New Orleans they left in a pool of blood). They definitely like anything that is an excuse to pull you over and fuck with you, so criminalizing things is going to be supported by the police, even if it's not in their best interest due to the tax income issue.

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    1. Re:....You can think of it that way by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Look at the money brought in by ciggs alone every year...that includes both domestic sales and export sales...do you honestly believe they are going to just say "fuck it" and lose all that money just so they can beat the piss out of a couple random people?

      The US government may not always makes the best decisions, but I assure you they won't fully ban tobacco or alcohol. They make too much money off of it. They might impose some stronger restrictions, but the chances of them outright banning both of those substances is near zero.

    2. Re:....You can think of it that way by Pojut · · Score: 1

      but the chances of them outright banning both of those substances are near zero.
      fixed.
  122. if by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

    if the financial arm of the government was in charge, we wouldn't have a national debt. It wasn't in the government's best interest to prohibit alcohol, either. Yet there are still plenty of areas where it is not legal to possess alcohol.

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    1. Re:if by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Appreciated, but that doesn't mean there is a BAN on alcohol. It just means there are certain places you can't buy it/take it...but if you really want alcohol of some sort in this country, it's not very difficult to find.

  123. Yeah. by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

    And if you really want crack cocaine of some sort in this country, it's not difficult to find either. Difficulty in procurement is not an indicator of whether it is banned or not.

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    1. Re:Yeah. by Pojut · · Score: 1

      1, are you really trying to say that alcohol is banned or is even remotely CLOSE to being banned?

      2, if you don't do crack you have NO idea where to find it. Even if you dont drink, you know where to find it.

    2. Re:Yeah. by ClioCJS · · Score: 1
      1) It is actually close to being banned now, if you think about it. Can you walk down your street drinking a beer? Not in most places in America. But you can in most of the rest of the [non-muslim] world. Can I buy liquor right now? Only if my state ABC store decides to be open at this hour on this day. Do people get arrested for drinking at bars? Yes, even before leaving the bar, for being drunk. It happened right here in Fairfax county. Do people get arrested for drinking a beer on the porch of their own house? Yes, D.C. did a huge crackdown a few years ago. Do the police frequently leave people in a pool of blood, citing alcohol-inspired behaviour as the cause? Yes, and it's not always the cause; it's a convenient excuse to pull people over who drive late at night, harass drivers, lock you up for a DUI without taking a breathylizer, etc. They can close a club down for silly things like allowing people to take empty cups out of it. If you think alcohol is a free substance, and that the war on drugs is directed at everything else, totally ignoring alcohol, then you do not have a clear perspective in my book.

      2) Anybody could find crack. Substitute my argument with marijuana. If you still think otherwise, then you are so naive I probably should not have bothered responding.

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    3. Re:Yeah. by Pojut · · Score: 1

      1. Within 5 miles of my home, there are 6 liquor stores and 9 stores that sell beer/wine. Plus, don't forget, Montgomery County (and it's outlying areas) have some of the harshest liquor laws in the country...don't judge the availability just on where you live.
      2. I do buy marijuana (amongst other things) all the time...and prior to me doing them, I had absolutely NO idea where to get them from. People don't have signs over them like liquor and beer stores do.

      If I moved from Germantown, MD to anywhere in the country, I can 100% assure you that I would locate a place to obtain alcohol LONG before finding a person to obtain illegal drugs from.

  124. you should talk to the highschoolers by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

    They can usually get marijuana far easier than alcohol. In fact, this creates some interesting trades....

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  125. Drops by Kirgin · · Score: 1

    Did he drop any epix?

  126. Leftist against gun control by mrraven · · Score: 1

    Yes lets give governments that have quite literally killed hundreds of millions in the last hundred years a sole monopoly on firepower. Give the big murders the most guns and the weak and defenseless no defense, really smart. Who is going to guard the guard again? I keep forgetting...

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