Agreed! C, C++ and similar languages promote brain lock! programmers spend too much time debugging the language and not enough time designing or engineering the application. Take a look at most OSS code and you can see this. Horrible.
All I know is that I use FreeBSD 5.3 on three different machines, A laptop, a server and a workstation and on all three they are _very_ rock solid.
I use the portupgrade facilities all the time and have not found anything else as easy to use. On several occations since 5.3 was released I'd set off my workstation to upgrade all userland ports (portupgrade -a) on Friday as I leave and have come to work on Monday and have a complete updated system. This is with both KDE and GNOME being updated along with many other ports. I also build my laptop stuff (kernel, world & ports) on my server and only install on my laptop. All of this with less then 5 minutes at the command line. I have never tried NetBSD or OpenBSD but have a lot of respect for both of them. I find FreeBSD brain-dead simple to maintain and is as rock solid as ever FMP. I have not found 5.3 to be any less "solid" then 4.10, Which is the last 4.x that I used (also on all three of my machines).
We are BSD! lets not let the Linux factor creep in!
The only part of MAC OS X that is closed source is the GUI. The OS core is open source (Darwin). So you have UNIX with all the functionality and most of the programs you could install on Debian through Apples very stable X server.
The *BSDs must be dead by know! I've been hearing the same thing for the past 7 years! (Thats when I dropped Linux in favor of using FreeBSD)
BSD users in general love *NIX for *NIX sake! we don't dilike other OS's as much as some groups of people, so we tend to be lurkers with less political motivation driving us(there are always exceptions):).
Hell is still a very hot place, just ask the Beastie:)
Actually Ada would most likely be less lines of code then C. The final image might be larger due to the run-time checking. If you suppressed all the run-time code, my experience has been that Ada is at least as fast as C with compilers that have good optimization technologies.
I have QWest ADSL service and have been very happy with it for the last 16 months. I went with a different ISP because USWeat.net would not give me
a static IP, So I emailed several ISP's on their list of ISP's that supported DSL and eventually went with a small one-man (as far as I can tell, I've talked to Sales & Tech support several times and I've never got anybody else:) operation and have had no problems. I have even had help from this guy to set up my Cisco DSL router when the NVRAM went south.
I was with MSN in my pre-Linux, pre-FreeBSD days and it really sucked! No matter how hard you try
I've had DSL through USWest with a small (one man) ISP since Jan 2k. After a little initial debugging on their part, my up-time has been 100% (except for a three day period when my Cisco 675 DSL router was tits up due to corruption of the nvram).
We get a lot of lightning in South Metro-Denver and it's never even blinked as far as I can tell.
I get 45db line quality which I've been told is execellent.
I have to spend an extra $10US ($39.95 for DSL and $19.95 for the ISP) each month because I didn't want their "DSL-lite" which closes the connection after periods of inactivity.
The tech support people have been usless! (my 5year-old knows more then the person I talked about the router!:).
I have used Ada for about 10y. From the comments I've read and heard over the years, I'll make one observation...A persons dislike of Ada (Not ADA, It's a name not an acronym) is in direct relation to the amount of incorrect information the person has about Ada.
IMHO, Ada is superior to C/C++/Java when you care _how_ the final product works.
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Agreed! C, C++ and similar languages promote brain lock! programmers spend too much time debugging the language and not enough time designing or engineering the application. Take a look at most OSS code and you can see this. Horrible.
All I know is that I use FreeBSD 5.3 on three different machines, A laptop, a server and a workstation and on all three they are _very_ rock solid.
I use the portupgrade facilities all the time and have not found anything else as easy to use. On several occations since 5.3 was released I'd set off my workstation to upgrade all userland ports (portupgrade -a) on Friday as I leave and have come to work on Monday and have a complete updated system. This is with both KDE and GNOME being updated along with many other ports. I also build my laptop stuff (kernel, world & ports) on my server and only install on my laptop. All of this with less then 5 minutes at the command line.
I have never tried NetBSD or OpenBSD but have a lot of respect for both of them. I find FreeBSD brain-dead simple to maintain and is as rock solid as ever FMP. I have not found 5.3 to be any less "solid" then 4.10, Which is the last 4.x that I used (also on all three of my machines).
We are BSD! lets not let the Linux factor creep in!
The only part of MAC OS X that is closed source is the GUI. The OS core is open source (Darwin).
So you have UNIX with all the functionality and most of the programs you could install on Debian through Apples very stable X server.
The *BSDs must be dead by know! I've been hearing the same thing for the past 7 years! (Thats when I dropped Linux in favor of using FreeBSD)
:).
:)
BSD users in general love *NIX for *NIX sake! we don't dilike other OS's as much as some groups of people, so we tend to be lurkers with less political motivation driving us(there are always exceptions)
Hell is still a very hot place, just ask the Beastie
RPR.
Actually Ada would most likely be less lines of code then C. The final image might be larger due to the run-time checking. If you suppressed all the run-time code, my experience has been that Ada is at least as fast as C with compilers that have good optimization technologies.
I have QWest ADSL service and have been very happy with it for the last 16 months. I went with a different ISP because USWeat.net would not give me a static IP, So I emailed several ISP's on their list of ISP's that supported DSL and eventually went with a small one-man (as far as I can tell, I've talked to Sales & Tech support several times and I've never got anybody else :) operation and have had no problems. I have even had help from this guy to set up my Cisco DSL router when the NVRAM went south.
I was with MSN in my pre-Linux, pre-FreeBSD days and it really sucked! No matter how hard you try
I've had DSL through USWest with a small (one man) ISP since Jan 2k. After a little initial debugging on their part, my up-time has been 100% (except for a three day period when my Cisco 675 DSL router was tits up due to corruption of the nvram). We get a lot of lightning in South Metro-Denver and it's never even blinked as far as I can tell. I get 45db line quality which I've been told is execellent. I have to spend an extra $10US ($39.95 for DSL and $19.95 for the ISP) each month because I didn't want their "DSL-lite" which closes the connection after periods of inactivity. The tech support people have been usless! (my 5year-old knows more then the person I talked about the router! :).
IMHO, Ada is superior to C/C++/Java when you care _how_ the final product works.