public class HWorld
{
public static void main(String args[])
{
JOptionPane.showMessageDialog(null, "Hello World");
// alternately, you can print to console
// System.out.println("Hello World");
// either of which makes a lot more sense than
// C++'s "cout
It sounds to me like you're talking about the noise that CDParanoia introduces when working with scratched CDs that it can't repair. Perhaps it could handle it a bit more gracefully, but that's what you get.
Not quite... more like features that aren't needed keep getting added so that, instead of fixing the current version, the version number can be incremented and customers can be charged for upgrading to a newer version.
We can blame Microsoft for this sick state of affairs. Until they came along, it was SOP for software licenses to essentially rent the software to the user, giving the author a stable revenue stream. Then Microsoft comes along, and realizes that to sell software for microcomputers, for a number of reasons (lack of hardware support, lack of user interest, non-commercial nature of licencees) a different licencing paradigm was called for, so they went with something more like books.
The catch is, books are generally heavily proofread, but once they've been printed, your stuck. Normally this isn't so bad, since most books work just fine w/ a few typos. Not so with computer programs, a single typo going unnoticed durring testing could be a fatal flaw for software.
Unfortunately, the book model provides no significant incentive to fix released software. Sure, the major showstopper bugs will get patched if they escape testing, but most of the minor glitches and irritations will be left in until the next release, when the product can again be sold for a profit.
The real kicker is that the market for new systems is slowing, and with it the market for new softwar, and consumers are tiring of having to pay to upgrade to properly working software, but the last 20yr of paying once for software has lead them away from acceptance of subscription-style payments, putting software houses in quite a bind...
So, if the consumer was able to accept a payment model that didn't reward the perpetual ignore-bugs/add-features/realease-new-version cycle, we might have non-bloated, functional software.
Personally, I give it another 20yr, before the general populace has enough common sense about computers to force vendors to do the Right Thing.
30 year old code shouldn't be a suprise, it should be taken as a counterexample to the "If bridges were designed like software..." argument. There are a lot of things that are in constant use that hold up to countless years of abuse.
If you want to compare software to machines, there are plenty of things that've been arround longre than 20-30yrs. The B-52 bombers, originally built durring the cold war are flying over Afghanistan as we speak. I've seen machining equipment built in the 20s still in regular use at machine shops (granted, many of them have been supplanted by CNC gear, but they're still accurate & reliable). Some of the massive earthmoving equipment used in mining has been in 24/7 operation for 40-50 years.
Or, if you consider software less of a physical thing, there are many abstraction that still work fine. The American government was established over 200 years ago, and, nitpicking asside, is still doing a damned good job. Mathematics and philosophy are considerably older, and most of it still valid today. Lets not forget that most of the planet practices religions that are over a millenia old.
Compared to that, what is a 20yr old piece of software? I'm sure many of us would -love- to throw away the old COBOL running dinosaurs and replace them with something more modern, but weren't the greatest of the Medieval cathedrals the ones in which the designers stuck to the descisions of previous designers, rather than taking off on their own tangents?
Well, one of the big arguments against placing a "cheap PC" into a server role is that the hardware isn't built to the same standards as higher-priced server-grade hardware. Now, it would seem to me that the Blade, by virtue of being the low-end desktop model in Sun's lineup, would be the victim of the same cost-cutting, and itself not be adequate for webserver duty.
Of course, if you ask me, the article was just an x86 hardware-review site's attempt to justify using non-x86 hardware on their new server.
I'm not a KDE user, but I know that newer versions of Gnome uses a rather large file-navigator program to take care of files on the desktop. You do lose a bit of functionality, but I seldom use the desktop anyways. Looking at the resource usage of the running procs, and using that as a guide could help you whittle KDE down to a workable size.
If my friend can translate "managing a McDonald's" into "supervising small crews in the production of consumables for JHB Enterprises" (JHB = company owning the franchise), then you shouldn't have a problem. Considering that pron is one of the most profitable sectors of 'net business, you should have no problems making it look good.
Mention the high trafic of the site, and how you kept security locked down (most ppl don't have a moral problem stealing porn, and since there's no physical item being delivered, it's hard to trace, so it's quite common.)
Has anyone written an open-source program that does all these things? I know we've got some great CD rippers (CD Paranoia), and players (XMMS), but is there an integrated system combining everything into a single consistant user interface?
Actually, when I ogged a bunch of my CDs, I found that on a few albums I could hear parts that I couldn't hear before. I can't imagine it got added by the encoder...
and subliminal messages being inserted by the encoder are right out.
Of course he's full of bullshit. I can't think of many places where somebody could get away with setting up a production webserver on the hurd, or AtheOS (I can't even get it to format a partion w/o crashing) and keep their job...
He obviously thinks he needs more help, since he's writing to slashdot, however having established, respected metrics and guidlines for software development would help his argument when it comes down to asking management for that extra body.
I'm suprised that nobody has properly explained that being certified as an engineer has nothing to do with a degree. Here (not sure if it's a state (WA) or a federal (USA) thing) all that is required to be an engineer is to take and pass your PE tests (Professional Engineer, an evil 8hr long standarized test). It's not exactly common, but perfectly allowable to walk in without even having a HS diploma and get a PE, however getting an engineering degree helps provide you with the body of knowledge you'd be tested on. Having a PE carries far more weight than having a BS (or even a masters).
In many larger companies, each group is headed by a PE, who has to sign-off on the work of those below him. Having a certified engineer helps them if they run into any legal problems, as they could show the court they had a certified competant engineer say it was good.
Comming from this angle, I don't really see any push towards having a -serious- software engineering licence until somebody gets sued for writing/releasing buggy code. The industry is going to need to be seriously afraid of releasing crap before they make efforts to change things, since they're making money and not putting themselves at risk.
Yeah, great... people can do "I've taken on a job that's over my head, help me" things, yet my article asking for ideas for my senior design project gets turned down..
The problem with coding for the DC is that, yes, you can buy a new machine for a hundred bucks, but if you want to run code on it you'll have to:
1) build a special serial link that'll run you something like $20-30 (slow)
2) burn a CD every time you want to test your code
3) shell out another $100-150 to buy the broadband adaptor (ie an ethernet card) from ebay.
Not to diss the DC as something to work on, as that was my original intention, but I had some cash-flow problems during the month where the BBAs actually sold at retail price. At least I have Soulcalibur, Shenmue and THPS2. +)
The impression that I always had was that if you had a college degree when you signed up you would become an officer, and that all officers did was paperwork & management of enlisted men. Getting my BS and then spending 4 (6?8?) years -not- using the skills I got from my schooling before going off to work in the civilian world doesn't really seem like a good idea to me. That's pretty much the whole reason I crossed the military off my list when I enrolled in college.
Of course, if you're interested in employment through Uncle Sam, the Federal gov't employs large numbers of civilians, and the military has a considerable number of civilian employees as well.
The only problem is that the site WAS helpful to people other than internal users. Third-party troubleshooting information is often a useful resource, particularly for older hardware. Publishing information like this where any ol' luser can find it is about the same a releasing Free software; it doesn't make much more work from you, but it helps the community.
And, if the admin had a clue, a simple "WTF did you get my addy?" emailed to joe6paq@aol.com would probably have explained everything.
now if you could only get yourself a broadband adapter for less than you payed for the system itself. +)
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The "accidental discovery" of the PSX kinda explains why, when they -tried- to design a system, they ended up making the PS2.
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Well, once it was decided that Microsoft was the Great Satan it's only being self consistant to talk smack about them on all fronts. If they are an evil, money grubbing monopoly that consistantly puts out buggy, bloated, insecure software then, as the technical elite, we are morally obligated to take a stand against them on all fronts.
Saying "I hate everything about Microsoft. Windows is the Devil" and then going out to buy an xbox is nothing but hipocracy. The fact that Slashdot has consistantly contributed to the hype of the xbox reminds me of watching "American History X".
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please disregard... the left-shift operator got eaten by the HTML parser, and I lost the 2nd half of the post.. +)
See... Java's simpler than HTML. +)
Uhh... Hrmm, "hello world" in Java..
// alternately, you can print to console
// System.out.println("Hello World");
// either of which makes a lot more sense than
// C++'s "cout
import javax.swing.*;
public class HWorld
{
public static void main(String args[])
{
JOptionPane.showMessageDialog(null, "Hello World");
It sounds to me like you're talking about the noise that CDParanoia introduces when working with scratched CDs that it can't repair. Perhaps it could handle it a bit more gracefully, but that's what you get.
Not quite... more like features that aren't needed keep getting added so that, instead of fixing the current version, the version number can be incremented and customers can be charged for upgrading to a newer version.
We can blame Microsoft for this sick state of affairs. Until they came along, it was SOP for software licenses to essentially rent the software to the user, giving the author a stable revenue stream. Then Microsoft comes along, and realizes that to sell software for microcomputers, for a number of reasons (lack of hardware support, lack of user interest, non-commercial nature of licencees) a different licencing paradigm was called for, so they went with something more like books.
The catch is, books are generally heavily proofread, but once they've been printed, your stuck. Normally this isn't so bad, since most books work just fine w/ a few typos. Not so with computer programs, a single typo going unnoticed durring testing could be a fatal flaw for software.
Unfortunately, the book model provides no significant incentive to fix released software. Sure, the major showstopper bugs will get patched if they escape testing, but most of the minor glitches and irritations will be left in until the next release, when the product can again be sold for a profit.
The real kicker is that the market for new systems is slowing, and with it the market for new softwar, and consumers are tiring of having to pay to upgrade to properly working software, but the last 20yr of paying once for software has lead them away from acceptance of subscription-style payments, putting software houses in quite a bind...
So, if the consumer was able to accept a payment model that didn't reward the perpetual ignore-bugs/add-features/realease-new-version cycle, we might have non-bloated, functional software.
Personally, I give it another 20yr, before the general populace has enough common sense about computers to force vendors to do the Right Thing.
30 year old code shouldn't be a suprise, it should be taken as a counterexample to the "If bridges were designed like software..." argument. There are a lot of things that are in constant use that hold up to countless years of abuse.
If you want to compare software to machines, there are plenty of things that've been arround longre than 20-30yrs. The B-52 bombers, originally built durring the cold war are flying over Afghanistan as we speak. I've seen machining equipment built in the 20s still in regular use at machine shops (granted, many of them have been supplanted by CNC gear, but they're still accurate & reliable). Some of the massive earthmoving equipment used in mining has been in 24/7 operation for 40-50 years.
Or, if you consider software less of a physical thing, there are many abstraction that still work fine. The American government was established over 200 years ago, and, nitpicking asside, is still doing a damned good job. Mathematics and philosophy are considerably older, and most of it still valid today. Lets not forget that most of the planet practices religions that are over a millenia old.
Compared to that, what is a 20yr old piece of software? I'm sure many of us would -love- to throw away the old COBOL running dinosaurs and replace them with something more modern, but weren't the greatest of the Medieval cathedrals the ones in which the designers stuck to the descisions of previous designers, rather than taking off on their own tangents?
Well, one of the big arguments against placing a "cheap PC" into a server role is that the hardware isn't built to the same standards as higher-priced server-grade hardware. Now, it would seem to me that the Blade, by virtue of being the low-end desktop model in Sun's lineup, would be the victim of the same cost-cutting, and itself not be adequate for webserver duty.
Of course, if you ask me, the article was just an x86 hardware-review site's attempt to justify using non-x86 hardware on their new server.
Aye...
I'd almost suggest opening up a slashdot section for trolls, but it'd defeat the purpose.
but there's no speaker in the machine, so what good is it?
or are you saying that the CPU has radio tranmission opcodes? Something says the FCC would look poorly on that.
Considering that the 2.5 kernel development cycle hasn't begun yet, is there still time to get the Monitro Sound device driver put in?
I'm not a KDE user, but I know that newer versions of Gnome uses a rather large file-navigator program to take care of files on the desktop. You do lose a bit of functionality, but I seldom use the desktop anyways. Looking at the resource usage of the running procs, and using that as a guide could help you whittle KDE down to a workable size.
If my friend can translate "managing a McDonald's" into "supervising small crews in the production of consumables for JHB Enterprises" (JHB = company owning the franchise), then you shouldn't have a problem. Considering that pron is one of the most profitable sectors of 'net business, you should have no problems making it look good.
Mention the high trafic of the site, and how you kept security locked down (most ppl don't have a moral problem stealing porn, and since there's no physical item being delivered, it's hard to trace, so it's quite common.)
Has anyone written an open-source program that does all these things? I know we've got some great CD rippers (CD Paranoia), and players (XMMS), but is there an integrated system combining everything into a single consistant user interface?
Actually, when I ogged a bunch of my CDs, I found that on a few albums I could hear parts that I couldn't hear before. I can't imagine it got added by the encoder...
and subliminal messages being inserted by the encoder are right out.
Of course he's full of bullshit. I can't think of many places where somebody could get away with setting up a production webserver on the hurd, or AtheOS (I can't even get it to format a partion w/o crashing) and keep their job...
...and BeOS should at least result in beating.
He obviously thinks he needs more help, since he's writing to slashdot, however having established, respected metrics and guidlines for software development would help his argument when it comes down to asking management for that extra body.
I'm suprised that nobody has properly explained that being certified as an engineer has nothing to do with a degree. Here (not sure if it's a state (WA) or a federal (USA) thing) all that is required to be an engineer is to take and pass your PE tests (Professional Engineer, an evil 8hr long standarized test). It's not exactly common, but perfectly allowable to walk in without even having a HS diploma and get a PE, however getting an engineering degree helps provide you with the body of knowledge you'd be tested on. Having a PE carries far more weight than having a BS (or even a masters).
In many larger companies, each group is headed by a PE, who has to sign-off on the work of those below him. Having a certified engineer helps them if they run into any legal problems, as they could show the court they had a certified competant engineer say it was good.
Comming from this angle, I don't really see any push towards having a -serious- software engineering licence until somebody gets sued for writing/releasing buggy code. The industry is going to need to be seriously afraid of releasing crap before they make efforts to change things, since they're making money and not putting themselves at risk.
Already or still? The former's a sign of an alcoholic, the latter a partier. +)
The father of a friend of mine was a relatively high up mucky-muck in a federal law-enforcement agency, and the protections were extended to him...
Yeah, great... people can do "I've taken on a job that's over my head, help me" things, yet my article asking for ideas for my senior design project gets turned down..
The problem with coding for the DC is that, yes, you can buy a new machine for a hundred bucks, but if you want to run code on it you'll have to:
1) build a special serial link that'll run you something like $20-30 (slow)
2) burn a CD every time you want to test your code
3) shell out another $100-150 to buy the broadband adaptor (ie an ethernet card) from ebay.
Not to diss the DC as something to work on, as that was my original intention, but I had some cash-flow problems during the month where the BBAs actually sold at retail price. At least I have Soulcalibur, Shenmue and THPS2. +)
The impression that I always had was that if you had a college degree when you signed up you would become an officer, and that all officers did was paperwork & management of enlisted men. Getting my BS and then spending 4 (6?8?) years -not- using the skills I got from my schooling before going off to work in the civilian world doesn't really seem like a good idea to me. That's pretty much the whole reason I crossed the military off my list when I enrolled in college.
Of course, if you're interested in employment through Uncle Sam, the Federal gov't employs large numbers of civilians, and the military has a considerable number of civilian employees as well.
The only problem is that the site WAS helpful to people other than internal users. Third-party troubleshooting information is often a useful resource, particularly for older hardware. Publishing information like this where any ol' luser can find it is about the same a releasing Free software; it doesn't make much more work from you, but it helps the community.
And, if the admin had a clue, a simple "WTF did you get my addy?" emailed to joe6paq@aol.com would probably have explained everything.
now if you could only get yourself a broadband adapter for less than you payed for the system itself. +)
The "accidental discovery" of the PSX kinda explains why, when they -tried- to design a system, they ended up making the PS2.
Well, once it was decided that Microsoft was the Great Satan it's only being self consistant to talk smack about them on all fronts. If they are an evil, money grubbing monopoly that consistantly puts out buggy, bloated, insecure software then, as the technical elite, we are morally obligated to take a stand against them on all fronts.
Saying "I hate everything about Microsoft. Windows is the Devil" and then going out to buy an xbox is nothing but hipocracy. The fact that Slashdot has consistantly contributed to the hype of the xbox reminds me of watching "American History X".