Go DeCSS! Down with the RIAA! Go Linux! Down with the MPAA! Go Napster! Down with the MPAA! Go Open Source! Down with Amazon.com! Go Barnes and Noble! Down with Closed Source! Huzzah! Huzzah!
I've got no problems with there being a graphics library (ala GGI, maybe something with GL in it?) but I prefer to use a CLI for most everything... granted there are some things that graphics is nice for (like graphics apps) but in general I have need for only CLI stuff.
Part of the uniqueness of C# is its conception of code reuse - for instance, instead of purchasing a commercial garbage-collector for your C++ code, you get one for free from C#. But where does this garbage collector reside? Is it in a shared library? If so, where and when does it get called? Is it a seperate process fork()ed off from the main process? Does the collector get compiled in to each and every program? Is it part of some system-level component that will be built in to the next Windows, that Linux will have to emulate? Inquiring minds want to know...
What's this xscribble program I see? Where do I download it? How does it work? Does it recognise graffiti? Why isn't there a website for it (at least in google?)
This isn't about Mandrake. It's about a hardware problem. I can't for the life of me figure out why that bit about Mandrake is in there (except that they won't pre-install it). In general, hardware manufacturers suck at supporting things. That's why I build my own. And if you want good software support, nothing beats Be (and Gobe is helpful too!)
First of all: Cut and Paste are standard X functions, so that's already part of UNIX. They just work differently than under Windows. Other applications implement their own cut buffers. That's sort of hard to deal with, because they're the ones reinventing the wheel. I prefer the X selection myself.
As soon as you standardize enough stuff like that, you end up with one system with one set of programs, and then *gasp* you're no better than those other proprietary systems. UNIX has a beauty in the way it is.
I'm thinking of taking as much original UNIX source as I can find, maybe even taking the kernel source out of the Lions book, and writing a new UNIX system - sans graphical interface. Pure and simple command-line bliss. You get yer sh, csh, ksh, vi, troff, lpr, etc. to work with. That sounds like a system I could handle.
If movie players would use DBE (double buffering) then it would be smooth. It's hardly the fault of X - convince the writers of movie-player applications to use DBE!
Secondly, I own 3 Loki games and am beta testing a fourth for Loki. That's as many as I own (recently) under Windows (I don't play a lot of games). How can you say there are no games?
And then SCO sold it to The Open Group (motto - open wallet, give us money), which then decided that you can't call you system UNIX unless you license CDE, their cash cow. OT: Does anybody know the copyright license on the Lions book? If I wanted to make an OS based on the source in there, whose feet do I have to kiss/throw money at?
Maybe the reason UNIX sucks is that it's a square peg in a round hole? That UNIX is designed with a completely different philosophy - interoperability, modularization, tools, etc.? I'm having a bit of trouble here - the reason he's saying UNIX sucks is that it's not an object-based system? Funny, but concepts like pipes, output redirection, background processes, and the command line are integral to my computing experience, and I don't see UNIX sucking.
Or maybe I just don't try to use UNIX as a component-based system, and as such don't see it suck. Maybe I'm not fitting a square peg in a round hole (or vice versa). When I want object-ness, I do use BeOS. UNIX!=User-friendly object-mish-mash-component-SOAP-XML-Hype. UNIX is a way of thinking that's different than other paradigms, and because of this UNIX sucks? I hardly don't think so.
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I have actually played with Aqua (not used it), but in my experience it was a little obnoxious, but then again I didn't like Platinum when that first came around... now I'm a genuine Platinum addict.
... but that summary was incoherent (did CT remove some text somewhere) and I'm left with absolutely know idea of where the spam is or how or why. Can somebody explain the story to me, for those of us without osmosis and who don't know the story?
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That's odd. I find BeOS to be one of the most elegant UI's ever, while NeXT is slightly less useable. And Aqua is a pure-and-simple abomination. I plan on permanently deleting the Aqua theme file from MacOS X (which reverts it back to a slick Platinum appearance).
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Were you talking personal accounting (Quicken) or Accounting with a capital A? Most people in BeOS complain about lack of Quicken, which is just silly.
StyledEdit can't handle spreadhseet stuff, but it would be possible to make a replicantized text editor and replicantized spreadsheet. Nobody's done it, but the architecture is there in the form of replicants. Gobe Productive is a seperate program, but very cool.
BeOS may be going multiuser, but I'm opposed to it. I don't understand why a multiuser operating environment is such a must for a client operating system. I putz with my system enough that any account I make for me on a multiuser system is euid 0 anyway.
Bill Gates: Since 1984, a contest has been held on usenet for the most unreable, creative, bizzar, but working C program. What is the name of this contest?
Moderator: Contest held on usenet for the most bizzar C program, but one that works. Anybody want to give it a shot? Going Once, going twice. Got nothing to loose, give it
a shot here somebody? (Ring) Alright, Jean-Louis Gassée...
Jean-Louis: Windows.
[Roar of Applause from audience]
- Computer Bowl, 1993
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Be is more similar to NeXT than you think...
Simple, clean and powerfull. Unfortunately very few apps. were available. Just finding a GOOD accounting package was a hassel (Never did find a reliable one). The
standard apps (Spreadsheet, Word proc., Graphics) were easy enough to find but god forbid if you needed some thing special (Accounting, Payroll, Productivity).
Ditto for BeOS. Accounting apps are among the most frequent gripes of BeOS users for some reason. (Funny, a $40 HP calculator and a sheet of paper works fine for me:)
I miss their mail app the most. With the colorizer plugin you could sort out spam in seconds.
In BeOS all email is stored by attributes... which means you can write shell scripts that work on email fields, sort mail, etc. Very cool.
Come to think of it, their drag and drop was amazing. Grab an image file and drop it into Tiffany (graphics app), and viola!! it opens. Cut any data format and past it
into almost any app and it would handle it.
Translators. Just drag a new translator in to the appropriate folder, and *wham* even the simple image viewer can open photoshop files, etc.
Try grabbing a section of excel and pasting it in notepad... The results are just not the same....
Just grabbed a section of spreadsheet and pasted it into a word processor doc in Gobe Productive. Worked fine for me.
Sorry, I thought that it did include the DPS server. I said Linux(Sparc), not Linux(other). DGS should actually work with it - it's fairly complete. This is just to give those with access to Solaris a hint at what OpenStep was like.
If you want to see what NeXTStep (OpenStep) looked like, you can still download OpenStep for Solaris here. It includes a DPS server; just make certain you startx with -- -dpi 72. It should even run in iBCS under Linux (Sparc), though I haven't tried it.
To save others the trouble of having to rewrite rot13, that says "By reading this, you have infringed on my patent." - except there are special provisions in patent law for non-commercial use of ideas, so hah!
Waitiminit... now this smells fishy - I didn't actually catch that until you said something! Something's definitely wrong here - how can the patent be assigned to an organization that didn't exist when the patent was filed for? Or did the US Govt. ask for the patent, and then assign the patent to the NSA (because that's who deals with encryption now)?
I'm actually just taking the reasonable guess with this "classified" thing, but it seems to me that the NSA's declassification process works at the speed of molasses. Obviously something can't sit in a pile for 67 years - whose pile would it be sitting in? I doubt anybody that worked there in '33 is still there today. It's gotta be a classification thing.
The USPTO uses an advanced inventory system, different from both FIFO (first-in, first-out) and LIFO (last-in, first-out). The new system is called FISH, and is rumoured to stand for First-In, Still-Here...
First of all, they granted the NSA the patent, not this guy. If you look at the "applicant" field you'll see that it says "The United States as represented by the NSA". Secondly, that explains why it took 67 years - the information in it was classified(!) and it took 67 years for it to be declassified to the point where the patent could be granted. Gotta hand it to the NSA.
The only thing the 83 is good for is playing games. My college has its students get that piece of crippleware they call the 83 for Calculus... and I just point and laugh with my 86.
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Go DeCSS! Down with the RIAA! Go Linux! Down with the MPAA! Go Napster! Down with the MPAA! Go Open Source! Down with Amazon.com! Go Barnes and Noble! Down with Closed Source! Huzzah! Huzzah!
I've got no problems with there being a graphics library (ala GGI, maybe something with GL in it?) but I prefer to use a CLI for most everything... granted there are some things that graphics is nice for (like graphics apps) but in general I have need for only CLI stuff.
You can download Pilot ROM's from the Palm website. You don't need a ROM of your own.
Part of the uniqueness of C# is its conception of code reuse - for instance, instead of purchasing a commercial garbage-collector for your C++ code, you get one for free from C#. But where does this garbage collector reside? Is it in a shared library? If so, where and when does it get called? Is it a seperate process fork()ed off from the main process? Does the collector get compiled in to each and every program? Is it part of some system-level component that will be built in to the next Windows, that Linux will have to emulate? Inquiring minds want to know...
What's this xscribble program I see? Where do I download it? How does it work? Does it recognise graffiti? Why isn't there a website for it (at least in google?)
This isn't about Mandrake. It's about a hardware problem. I can't for the life of me figure out why that bit about Mandrake is in there (except that they won't pre-install it). In general, hardware manufacturers suck at supporting things. That's why I build my own. And if you want good software support, nothing beats Be (and Gobe is helpful too!)
As soon as you standardize enough stuff like that, you end up with one system with one set of programs, and then *gasp* you're no better than those other proprietary systems. UNIX has a beauty in the way it is.
I'm thinking of taking as much original UNIX source as I can find, maybe even taking the kernel source out of the Lions book, and writing a new UNIX system - sans graphical interface. Pure and simple command-line bliss. You get yer sh, csh, ksh, vi, troff, lpr, etc. to work with. That sounds like a system I could handle.
Secondly, I own 3 Loki games and am beta testing a fourth for Loki. That's as many as I own (recently) under Windows (I don't play a lot of games). How can you say there are no games?
And then SCO sold it to The Open Group (motto - open wallet, give us money), which then decided that you can't call you system UNIX unless you license CDE, their cash cow. OT: Does anybody know the copyright license on the Lions book? If I wanted to make an OS based on the source in there, whose feet do I have to kiss/throw money at?
Or maybe I just don't try to use UNIX as a component-based system, and as such don't see it suck. Maybe I'm not fitting a square peg in a round hole (or vice versa). When I want object-ness, I do use BeOS. UNIX!=User-friendly object-mish-mash-component-SOAP-XML-Hype. UNIX is a way of thinking that's different than other paradigms, and because of this UNIX sucks? I hardly don't think so.
I have actually played with Aqua (not used it), but in my experience it was a little obnoxious, but then again I didn't like Platinum when that first came around... now I'm a genuine Platinum addict.
... but that summary was incoherent (did CT remove some text somewhere) and I'm left with absolutely know idea of where the spam is or how or why. Can somebody explain the story to me, for those of us without osmosis and who don't know the story?
That's odd. I find BeOS to be one of the most elegant UI's ever, while NeXT is slightly less useable. And Aqua is a pure-and-simple abomination. I plan on permanently deleting the Aqua theme file from MacOS X (which reverts it back to a slick Platinum appearance).
StyledEdit can't handle spreadhseet stuff, but it would be possible to make a replicantized text editor and replicantized spreadsheet. Nobody's done it, but the architecture is there in the form of replicants. Gobe Productive is a seperate program, but very cool.
BeOS may be going multiuser, but I'm opposed to it. I don't understand why a multiuser operating environment is such a must for a client operating system. I putz with my system enough that any account I make for me on a multiuser system is euid 0 anyway.
Moderator: Contest held on usenet for the most bizzar C program, but one that works. Anybody want to give it a shot? Going Once, going twice. Got nothing to loose, give it a shot here somebody? (Ring) Alright, Jean-Louis Gassée...
Jean-Louis: Windows.
[Roar of Applause from audience]
- Computer Bowl, 1993
Simple, clean and powerfull. Unfortunately very few apps. were available. Just finding a GOOD accounting package was a hassel (Never did find a reliable one). The standard apps (Spreadsheet, Word proc., Graphics) were easy enough to find but god forbid if you needed some thing special (Accounting, Payroll, Productivity).
Ditto for BeOS. Accounting apps are among the most frequent gripes of BeOS users for some reason. (Funny, a $40 HP calculator and a sheet of paper works fine for me :)
I miss their mail app the most. With the colorizer plugin you could sort out spam in seconds.
In BeOS all email is stored by attributes... which means you can write shell scripts that work on email fields, sort mail, etc. Very cool.
Come to think of it, their drag and drop was amazing. Grab an image file and drop it into Tiffany (graphics app), and viola!! it opens. Cut any data format and past it into almost any app and it would handle it.
Translators. Just drag a new translator in to the appropriate folder, and *wham* even the simple image viewer can open photoshop files, etc.
Try grabbing a section of excel and pasting it in notepad... The results are just not the same....
Just grabbed a section of spreadsheet and pasted it into a word processor doc in Gobe Productive. Worked fine for me.
Sorry, I thought that it did include the DPS server. I said Linux(Sparc), not Linux(other). DGS should actually work with it - it's fairly complete. This is just to give those with access to Solaris a hint at what OpenStep was like.
If you want to see what NeXTStep (OpenStep) looked like, you can still download OpenStep for Solaris here. It includes a DPS server; just make certain you startx with -- -dpi 72. It should even run in iBCS under Linux (Sparc), though I haven't tried it.
#include <fcntl.h> /* Your mileage may vary, check open(2) for details */
void main() {char c;int f;f=open("/dev/random",O_RDONLY);while (read(f,&c,sizeof(char))>0) {c=(c%52);if (c26) c+='a';else if (c42) c-=26,c+='a';else c-=42,c+='0';printf("%c",c);}}
To save others the trouble of having to rewrite rot13, that says "By reading this, you have infringed on my patent." - except there are special provisions in patent law for non-commercial use of ideas, so hah!
Waitiminit... now this smells fishy - I didn't actually catch that until you said something! Something's definitely wrong here - how can the patent be assigned to an organization that didn't exist when the patent was filed for? Or did the US Govt. ask for the patent, and then assign the patent to the NSA (because that's who deals with encryption now)?
I'm actually just taking the reasonable guess with this "classified" thing, but it seems to me that the NSA's declassification process works at the speed of molasses. Obviously something can't sit in a pile for 67 years - whose pile would it be sitting in? I doubt anybody that worked there in '33 is still there today. It's gotta be a classification thing.
The USPTO uses an advanced inventory system, different from both FIFO (first-in, first-out) and LIFO (last-in, first-out). The new system is called FISH, and is rumoured to stand for First-In, Still-Here...
First of all, they granted the NSA the patent, not this guy. If you look at the "applicant" field you'll see that it says "The United States as represented by the NSA". Secondly, that explains why it took 67 years - the information in it was classified(!) and it took 67 years for it to be declassified to the point where the patent could be granted. Gotta hand it to the NSA.
The only thing the 83 is good for is playing games. My college has its students get that piece of crippleware they call the 83 for Calculus... and I just point and laugh with my 86.