Running to 7-11 to get the Quake demo... Bragging that by running Quake in linux I got 3 fps more than in windows... Hearing the words "Stop evading me, you BASTARDS!" from the dorm room across the hall... Future vs. Fantasy!
Yes, those things are nice, but they could be covered by tariffs and excise taxes. The income tax goes to alot of other things as well, most of which don't benefit me and I wouldn't pay for if given the chance not to. Bush wanted to spend 4 billion dollars building "Internet Huts" for those who can't afford computers. I have a computer. In the case of "Internet Huts," I think the free market can do a better job than the government. There is a laundramat in CA with free surf time while you wash your clothes - a great example of how capitalism rewards those with good ideas. The tax-sponsored "Internet Huts" would only hurt that guy's business, at his own expense.
Look at the Libertarians. They have a plan for paying for all those good things without income tax.
I get frequent spam from a guy selling a "banned CD" which has, among other things, a list of verified email addresses. He has the standard opt-out clause at the bottom. I don't doubt that if I replied, he really would take me off his list - and add me to that list of verified email addresses he sells to others.
THX audio production standard needs only 75 dB of SNR (about 13-bit precision) in the final mix.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about.
Combinatorics says that there are only 6^5 combinations of five moves with six destinations, that is, fewer than 8000 six-note melodies.
Yeah, I'm not in favor of copyrighting melodies and chord progressions, but "works" as a whole. For instance, I can copyright a program that does something new and exciting, as a whole, but that doesn't give me the copyright on the quicksort is uses.
A musical piece, especially a lyrical piece, is much more than a melody. Add a second instrument, and you have 16000 possible duets, etc. When you get up to 96 tracks of audio, it becomes pretty easy to make something original.
It's the final product that gets the copyright - the creation as a whole. Copyrighting melodies and chord progressions is like copyrighting the color used to paint Mona Lisa's face.
I'd rather my music belonged to an open and free movement (even public domain) than to an affiliate of the RIAA. You have the same choice, so do what you feel is right for you.
Yes, the RIAA is evil. I want my music to belong to me.
Since most songs are composed of individually recorded audio tracks and these tracks are stored on HD's then mixed down to DAT's, ADAT's or CD's (once again, the way I do it), then you could just post your tracks.
Most rock songs are recorded to ADAT, not hard disk. ADAT is an 8 track media format, great for recording, but you don't mix down to it. Very few commercial rock albums are made on DAWs - most are made on ADAT or DA-88.
I suppose our difference is that you make electronic music, and I make rock. Other than synths and possibly drums, MIDI is pretty useless for rock. I've used it before, with a drum box and a synth, to fill in when I didn't have a drummer and bass player, but the feel just isn't right for rock.
This Open Music license isn't to facilitate sharing of mixes or tracks, it's to facilitate the enjoyment of music whatever way you like to enjoy it, whether by creating it, or just listening.
Thst's all fine and good, but until I get free guitar strings, cables, and tubes for every song I write, I'll keep trying to make a living from it.
Some people may not like the guitar or the arrangment you used and so create a new mix.
So should I submit the multitrack tapes along with the original mix?
How are they going to get the guitar out without the multitrack tapes? EQ can only go so far. If you want to follow the software model, allowing people to change the original work, then you need to treat the multis the same way as source code.
And then you run into a problem, because, unless you're using a DAW, most multitracks are not easliy distributable. I suppose you could create a hardware/software solution that would transfer the contents of ADAT along with SMPTE codes onto your harddisk in an internet-friendly format, but using any sort of lossy compression scheme on it would be a bad idea.. And the files would be very large. Think of a 4 minute song in WAV format - pretty big file, and only 2 tracks. Now consider a 4 minute song, uncompressed, with 8, 16, 32, maybe 96 tracks of audio. Sure, you can compress it, but you won't want any lossy scheme when you're working at the track level. Not to mention we'd all have to buy the hadware/software to "share" the multitracks.
That is assuming all the world uses ADAT. What about the DA-88 folks? What about the analog folks?
As far as inspiration goes, I can make music today that is inspired by other music without copyright worries. (Using the lyrics and musical arrangement does create problems though).
The problem with music is that it's not code. Code is functional. It is useful to get a job done. Music is ( art | entertainment ), and does not serve a functional purpose. Yes, you can argue that code can be artistic, and that is true, but the basic reason to write code is to create a tool to do a job. People don't read code or run software for enjoyment. (Software like games can provide entertainment and enjoyment, but that comes from playing a game, not executing software).
I don't see a direct benefit to the original artist from derived works. The way I work (and I can't say for any other musician) is that I get a piece of music (lyric, etc.) the way I like it and then it's "done." Yes, I enjoy improvisation every time I perform the piece, but it's essentially the same piece of music. The presentation may be a little (or a lot) different, but the "essence" of it is the same. Capturing that essence in each performance is the fun part.
Someone else, who may or may not capture that essence in their performance, does not benefit me either way.
Musicians still have to buy guitar strings, blank media, drum heads, cables, tubes, etc. Peer support and fame are all well and good, but musicians that don't have to work a day job can focus on making more and better music.
How about a AEL (Artistic Equipment License) - send me a pack of light gauge phospor-bronze acoustic guitar strings for every 10 songs you download. Optionally, you can send a Horizon 10' instrument cable every 20 songs.
(The other side of bootlegging is where you tape a show against the band's will - i.e. they don't allow taping, but you go in with stealth mics and do it anyway, and then trade/sell it).
The Grateful Dead encouraged the trading of recordings of their live performances. "Tapers" would tape the show, and then trade it about the community.
The Dead didn't condone "bootlegging," which, in their case, applied to people who tried to sell copies of these tapes for a profit.
One time, a certain independant record store that was selling GD bootlegs came to the attention of the band. Rather than sue the store and put it out of business, they simply bought the store. The store clerks kept their job, the store stayed open for all the people who chose to shop at that store, but the bootlegs disappeared.
My point is, that because of their taping policy, the Dead are often used (like in the above article) as a champion for music sharing. But trading live tapes is alot different from trading studio albums. I'm not sure what the GD's opinion of file sharing would be, but using them as an endorsement simply because of their taping policy is not sound.
This is why you should never listen to investment advice from anonymous sources. If you hear a rumor that
Sun is about to buy Corel, it could easilly be a Corel holder who wants to dump their stock, but is hoping
buy-out rumors will cause a small surge in the price.
More often, people will spread negative information about a company because they are trying to sell it short.
(Selling a stock short is when you borrow shares from a broker, sell them, wait for the stock to go down, buy the shares back, and return them to the broker. It's legal).
Like you said, NEVER believe what you read on stock boards, and never make investment decisions based on rumors.
I'm a serious listener, and I hate
60hz hum (the current unbalanced audio lines I use cause nothing but
problems with hum)!
A 60Hz hum is usually caused by a ground loop, i.e. there are multiple paths to ground. While balanced cables will help with RF interferance, they won't do anything for a ground loop.
You need to isolate all your AC and make sure it's on the same circuit. Alternatively, you can buy some of those cheap "3 prong to 2 prong adapters" (we call them "ground lifters" in the audio world) and try them on a few outlets to see if you can lift it that way.
Well, it's the software that's nasty.. don't install it. You can't complain about a free barcode reader, though. Use it to scan your (CDs, Movies, Books) into a database on your computer, make shopping lists, or any other number of things. You'll have to get out that text editor and write some code, though. Fortunately, most of the drivers for the device have already been hacked.. You just need to write some apps. ---
I think I have an original viewpoint to give here.
Not really. You sound just like all the other liberal democrats whining about what you deserve based on your geneder and creed.
This may be its hour in the sun, but it is not
nearly as creative as other nations were at their peaks, like Britain, Spain, France and Greece. What has America
done that compare?
Well seeing as how the USA is only about 200 years old - several hundred years younger than those other nations you mention - I think we've done quite a bit. Other posters have expounded on this.
By the way, why don't you mention Germany? You hipocrit, ignoring Germany even as you complain that we ignore Russia! Germany brought us Nietzsche, Hegel, Buber, Heidegger, and Weihenstephaner. So don't ignore Germany.
I would like to see america and the males of america adopt a position of humility, and allow the dispossessed and
discriminated against, such as Russians and women, to breathe free and stake their claim in society.
You know, there are several Russians at my company. Lots of women too. They earned they're way there, with hard work, not whining.
Metaphysics is the area of philosophy that tries to answer questions about "supernatural" ideas: gods, life after death, souls and other similar things. I minored in philosophy in college, but have never heard someone refer to themselves as a "meta-physicist." Most philosophers just call themselves philosophers. It is quite possible the poster in question has never studied metaphysics.
As for the k5 article, it sounds to me like someone was feeling a little guilty about using napster.;>
That's what I was talking about when I mentioned politics..
Over the long term, I think you can see supply increasing with demand in all three areas - there is a greater demand for recorded music now than there was in the 70s, and the same with videos. These things have come into demand slowly and gradually.
You're right about the short term, though. Those are three markets that ignore short term demand to some extent, although if BigCDStore knows that new From Good Homes and Britney Spears albums come out on the same day, they won't order an equal number of them, because they know what the demand will be.
1) Music CDs - there sure are alot more out there today than there were in the 80s. I would say the supply increased as the demand grew.
2) DVDs - I can now rent DVDs at blockbuster on the corner, when only a few years ago I couldn't. Even the discount stores have DVDs now. Once again, the supply has increased with the demand.
3) Crude Oil - The control of this resource is very political, not to mention the amount of crude in the world is believed to be limited. Still, while we do endure temporary shortages, I think you will see that the production of crude has grown as demand has increased. Aren't there more cars on the road now than there were ten years ago? Fifty years ago?
oh, blocking slashdot.org in the company firewall would also eliminate a significant distraction that has been known to yank certain programmers out of the zone.;>
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Running to 7-11 to get the Quake demo... Bragging that by running Quake in linux I got 3 fps more than in windows... Hearing the words "Stop evading me, you BASTARDS!" from the dorm room across the hall... Future vs. Fantasy!
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Look at the Libertarians. They have a plan for paying for all those good things without income tax.
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www.google.com/redhat - Doesn't do anything special, but the URL is there
www.google.com/palm - Looks to be made for monochrome PDA browsers
www.google.com/ie - For Pocket IE maybe?
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Simson Garfinkel: Hard feelings meet hard logic
Foley's, Idiots, and Thoughts on Capitalism
Both from Goose24.org, an independant random article, free software, goose loving site.
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...and it's my job to make you do your job...
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Has anyone ever been drunk in space? That sounds like fun.. assuming you can hold your liquor.
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I agree with you completely. Lisp & Scheme opened my mind like a psychadelic drug.
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That has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about.
Combinatorics says that there are only 6^5 combinations of five moves with six destinations, that is, fewer than 8000 six-note melodies.
Yeah, I'm not in favor of copyrighting melodies and chord progressions, but "works" as a whole. For instance, I can copyright a program that does something new and exciting, as a whole, but that doesn't give me the copyright on the quicksort is uses.
A musical piece, especially a lyrical piece, is much more than a melody. Add a second instrument, and you have 16000 possible duets, etc. When you get up to 96 tracks of audio, it becomes pretty easy to make something original.
It's the final product that gets the copyright - the creation as a whole. Copyrighting melodies and chord progressions is like copyrighting the color used to paint Mona Lisa's face.
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Yes, the RIAA is evil. I want my music to belong to me.
wishus
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Most rock songs are recorded to ADAT, not hard disk. ADAT is an 8 track media format, great for recording, but you don't mix down to it. Very few commercial rock albums are made on DAWs - most are made on ADAT or DA-88.
I suppose our difference is that you make electronic music, and I make rock. Other than synths and possibly drums, MIDI is pretty useless for rock. I've used it before, with a drum box and a synth, to fill in when I didn't have a drummer and bass player, but the feel just isn't right for rock.
This Open Music license isn't to facilitate sharing of mixes or tracks, it's to facilitate the enjoyment of music whatever way you like to enjoy it, whether by creating it, or just listening.
Thst's all fine and good, but until I get free guitar strings, cables, and tubes for every song I write, I'll keep trying to make a living from it.
wishus
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So should I submit the multitrack tapes along with the original mix?
How are they going to get the guitar out without the multitrack tapes? EQ can only go so far. If you want to follow the software model, allowing people to change the original work, then you need to treat the multis the same way as source code.
And then you run into a problem, because, unless you're using a DAW, most multitracks are not easliy distributable. I suppose you could create a hardware/software solution that would transfer the contents of ADAT along with SMPTE codes onto your harddisk in an internet-friendly format, but using any sort of lossy compression scheme on it would be a bad idea.. And the files would be very large. Think of a 4 minute song in WAV format - pretty big file, and only 2 tracks. Now consider a 4 minute song, uncompressed, with 8, 16, 32, maybe 96 tracks of audio. Sure, you can compress it, but you won't want any lossy scheme when you're working at the track level. Not to mention we'd all have to buy the hadware/software to "share" the multitracks.
That is assuming all the world uses ADAT. What about the DA-88 folks? What about the analog folks?
As far as inspiration goes, I can make music today that is inspired by other music without copyright worries. (Using the lyrics and musical arrangement does create problems though).
The problem with music is that it's not code. Code is functional. It is useful to get a job done. Music is ( art | entertainment ), and does not serve a functional purpose. Yes, you can argue that code can be artistic, and that is true, but the basic reason to write code is to create a tool to do a job. People don't read code or run software for enjoyment. (Software like games can provide entertainment and enjoyment, but that comes from playing a game, not executing software).
I think I've rambled long enough.
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But does this policy apply to live tapes only, or MP3s ripped from studio albums?
If I was sharing all 5 discs of the box set they released last year, what would they think?
The quote you posted doesn't make it obviously clear if they condone the sharing of commercially available works.
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I don't see a direct benefit to the original artist from derived works. The way I work (and I can't say for any other musician) is that I get a piece of music (lyric, etc.) the way I like it and then it's "done." Yes, I enjoy improvisation every time I perform the piece, but it's essentially the same piece of music. The presentation may be a little (or a lot) different, but the "essence" of it is the same. Capturing that essence in each performance is the fun part.
Someone else, who may or may not capture that essence in their performance, does not benefit me either way.
Musicians still have to buy guitar strings, blank media, drum heads, cables, tubes, etc. Peer support and fame are all well and good, but musicians that don't have to work a day job can focus on making more and better music.
How about a AEL (Artistic Equipment License) - send me a pack of light gauge phospor-bronze acoustic guitar strings for every 10 songs you download. Optionally, you can send a Horizon 10' instrument cable every 20 songs.
wishus
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(The other side of bootlegging is where you tape a show against the band's will - i.e. they don't allow taping, but you go in with stealth mics and do it anyway, and then trade/sell it).
wishus
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The Grateful Dead encouraged the trading of recordings of their live performances. "Tapers" would tape the show, and then trade it about the community.
The Dead didn't condone "bootlegging," which, in their case, applied to people who tried to sell copies of these tapes for a profit.
One time, a certain independant record store that was selling GD bootlegs came to the attention of the band. Rather than sue the store and put it out of business, they simply bought the store. The store clerks kept their job, the store stayed open for all the people who chose to shop at that store, but the bootlegs disappeared.
My point is, that because of their taping policy, the Dead are often used (like in the above article) as a champion for music sharing. But trading live tapes is alot different from trading studio albums. I'm not sure what the GD's opinion of file sharing would be, but using them as an endorsement simply because of their taping policy is not sound.
wishus
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More often, people will spread negative information about a company because they are trying to sell it short.
(Selling a stock short is when you borrow shares from a broker, sell them, wait for the stock to go down, buy the shares back, and return them to the broker. It's legal).
Like you said, NEVER believe what you read on stock boards, and never make investment decisions based on rumors.
wishus
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A 60Hz hum is usually caused by a ground loop, i.e. there are multiple paths to ground. While balanced cables will help with RF interferance, they won't do anything for a ground loop.
You need to isolate all your AC and make sure it's on the same circuit. Alternatively, you can buy some of those cheap "3 prong to 2 prong adapters" (we call them "ground lifters" in the audio world) and try them on a few outlets to see if you can lift it that way.
wishus
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Well, it's the software that's nasty.. don't install it. You can't complain about a free barcode reader, though. Use it to scan your (CDs, Movies, Books) into a database on your computer, make shopping lists, or any other number of things. You'll have to get out that text editor and write some code, though. Fortunately, most of the drivers for the device have already been hacked.. You just need to write some apps.
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Not really. You sound just like all the other liberal democrats whining about what you deserve based on your geneder and creed.
This may be its hour in the sun, but it is not nearly as creative as other nations were at their peaks, like Britain, Spain, France and Greece. What has America done that compare?
Well seeing as how the USA is only about 200 years old - several hundred years younger than those other nations you mention - I think we've done quite a bit. Other posters have expounded on this.
By the way, why don't you mention Germany? You hipocrit, ignoring Germany even as you complain that we ignore Russia! Germany brought us Nietzsche, Hegel, Buber, Heidegger, and Weihenstephaner. So don't ignore Germany.
I would like to see america and the males of america adopt a position of humility, and allow the dispossessed and discriminated against, such as Russians and women, to breathe free and stake their claim in society.
You know, there are several Russians at my company. Lots of women too. They earned they're way there, with hard work, not whining.
wishus
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Metaphysics is the area of philosophy that tries to answer questions about "supernatural" ideas: gods, life after death, souls and other similar things. I minored in philosophy in college, but have never heard someone refer to themselves as a "meta-physicist." Most philosophers just call themselves philosophers. It is quite possible the poster in question has never studied metaphysics.
;>
As for the k5 article, it sounds to me like someone was feeling a little guilty about using napster.
wishus
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That's what I was talking about when I mentioned politics..
Over the long term, I think you can see supply increasing with demand in all three areas - there is a greater demand for recorded music now than there was in the 70s, and the same with videos. These things have come into demand slowly and gradually.
You're right about the short term, though. Those are three markets that ignore short term demand to some extent, although if BigCDStore knows that new From Good Homes and Britney Spears albums come out on the same day, they won't order an equal number of them, because they know what the demand will be.
wishus
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2) DVDs - I can now rent DVDs at blockbuster on the corner, when only a few years ago I couldn't. Even the discount stores have DVDs now. Once again, the supply has increased with the demand.
3) Crude Oil - The control of this resource is very political, not to mention the amount of crude in the world is believed to be limited. Still, while we do endure temporary shortages, I think you will see that the production of crude has grown as demand has increased. Aren't there more cars on the road now than there were ten years ago? Fifty years ago?
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hehehe.. I'll start writing my book. :)
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oh, blocking slashdot.org in the company firewall would also eliminate a significant distraction that has been known to yank certain programmers out of the zone. ;>
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